Talk:Fiona Cooper

When did the "Suitress" meet Bella?

I noticed that in the protip in regards to the Suitress, it states that she was apparently manipulated by Bella for years. But literally in the paragraph right below it, it says that she met Bella sometime in July of 2021. Lez (talk) 11:44, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

• Thank you for pointing that out, as I had just noticed it. To give my view on it, I don't think it's very likely she was manipulated for "years". I don't exactly see what use she'd have with the Suitress before Bella began plotting the suicide scheme. If I recall correctly, the Suitress stumbled upon a Discord server made by Bella, or so the story goes. For now, as we can't seem to have an agreement as to when they met, I'm probably going to have to remove specific dates to reduce confusion. If an exact date comes up, we'll use that one. PsychoNerd (talk) 12:51, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

• Whoops, that's on me. I misread the date format on one of the Discord screencaps. The July 2021 date is the correct one. --4CentUser (talk) 18:21, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

• • Since the "for years" stuff is apparently false, I'll put back the July of 2021 date.PsychoNerd (talk) 18:53, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

Recording

A sentence says, "Add to that that Bella had no problem recording Chris and Barb having sex, while also likely not intending to share this information until later". Is that mentioned in the incest call or is there another source for that? Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 19:35, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

I believe that was posted on Bella's TTU chess club server. That was the reason the Suitress initially took the incident as Barb grooming Chris. Bella had to tell her directly that it was more likely Chris who engaged with Barb. I'd put a citation needed there. PsychoNerd (talk) 19:41, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Incest scandal timeline

The section says, "Bella already made it abundantly clear to her that she was not allowed to leak any calls she made to Chris. In order to prevent this, she lied to the Suitress by telling her that she already sent the incest recordings to the police".

Which suggests Bella wanted to keep the info hidden. But Bella said to her Discord friends that she wanted to leak the incest news but wanted to gather evidence from another angle to remain anonymous. Is there more context to the 911 thing? The source is only a screenshot of a faked 911 number.

The section also says, "Bella then shared her the full four-hour incest call in private, telling her that CWC was sexually abusing Barb. Disgusted at this possible revelation, she decided to leak an edited, 4-minute, version of these calls to the public, which cut out huge chunks of the original call, only leaving in Chris's voice, and editing out the identities of both her and Bella. [...] After Bella discovered the leaks, and the Suitress going quiet for a few days"

Which suggests Suitress leaked independently of Bella. But both her and Bella have made statements here and here that they worked together to release. And that Bella was just pissed over Suitress leaking a version of the call with the voice intact without Bella's permission. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 21:21, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

I don't exactly think Suitress intended to help Bella out with this plot to "Break the Internet", per say. Some of her statements in the "I'm kinda scared" messages kind of make it clear that she just wanted to meet Chris. Plus, her meeting of Bella appears to be mostly happenstance. Bella and Suitress were both in contact with Chris beforehand, but they would not meet until Chris invited them to the Knights server. Her saying that Suitress helped her doesn't really prove anything either, IMO, as I'm not even sure she was aware there was any ulterior motive. PsychoNerd (talk) 22:02, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Suitress still participated in the leaks, though, even if her motives may not have aligned with Bella's. The protip notes that her motives aren't fully confirmed (which is contradicted a bit by the assertion in the paragraph that "Disgusted at this possible revelation, she decided to leak"). Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 22:49, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Well, Bella wasn't exactly "disgusted" at the thought of Chris having sex with his mom, unlike Suitress, who openly admits to not liking incest. Bella participated in the making of fake texts where he claims to have commited BDSM with her, rather than just tell anyone about it. Maybe we should rephrase the protip, as it can be confusing. The timeline on that matter's pretty cluttered, hence the incomplete tag. PsychoNerd (talk) 22:54, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

911 call

I'm still puzzled over the 911 call. It seems Bella posted a cropped screenshot herself to Kiwi Farms, with the comment, "i mean idg it, this can be easily faked look" Does that mean she was saying a call log can be faked, and not that she did fake it? She then says, "i sent an anoymous tip to them with the video and such after". Which could be assumed a lie because she was lying a lot. But I'm wondering how her interaction with Suitress ties into it, the article says, "she lied to the Suitress by telling her that she already sent the incest recordings to the police." Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 04:25, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

I'll send you other screenshots. PsychoNerd (talk) 13:21, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

"Everfree Suitress" as an alias?

I get that the CWCki isn't using that name for her anymore, but I don't see why we can't list it as an alias. She's called herself by that name in interviews, and there are still old, unedited pages that refer to her by that name. What is the rationale behind purging it completely, if that's the intent here? --4CentUser (talk) 18:46, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

Honestly, I guess we can put that back up. I guess it just didn't seem that conventional to use the obsolete name. Any other instances on the CWCki should just be changed to "The Suitress" since everyone basically calls her that now. PsychoNerd (talk) 18:48, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

The "Regarding Chris" file

I used an HTML editor to go through the whole Discord log and remove references to and images of the Suitress. Thing is, the CWCki doesn't let me upload HTML files, so I can't actually use it as a source in the article. Any idea how I can get it onto the wiki? --4CentUser (talk) 19:49, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

I've done the same for the Sean Walker DMs, by the way. --4CentUser (talk) 19:59, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

Not really. As stated, in some scenarios, we don't really have much of a choice. I wouldn't worry as much, as it would require a bit of digging to find the pseudonym on there. Therefore, anyone that uses it on the pages would get perma'd. I personally made it so that any personal info that requires digging would definitely result in a perma. PsychoNerd (talk) 20:05, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

Aight. --4CentUser (talk) 20:07, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

"Art"

This may be more a forum topic, but it seems like the Suitress' drawings vary wildly in quality and style which suggests she traced them which I feel deserves a mention. Does this seem plausible? --Finnegan (talk) 20:53, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

I don't think it's traced, TBH. You can very faintly make out some of the outlines used to draw the figures in a lot of these. These were also all drawings that were made over the span of a year. I also feel it's worth noting that some of them were hand-drawn, others were drawn digitally. Plus, a lot of the pics don't look THAT different stylistically. Considering that, I think variance in quality would be expected to a degree.Psycho (talk) 21:41, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Fake age

In some pages, there's a note that she gave a fake age to Chris. But the notes are unsourced. She claimed to him that she's 19, as seen in Suitress DMs. Is there proof that she was faking that? If not the fake age notes should be removed for being unsourced. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 08:18, 15 July 2023 (EDT)

Credibility

The things listed on the template aren't relevant to her credibility. Should probably be removed. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 12:21, 23 August 2023 (EDT)

Full Name

Now that the Suitress policy is done should Fiona's full name be in the article? BaboonRancher23 (talk) 14:03, 2 March 2024 (EST)

On the one hand, her last name hasn't been mentioned by Chris; on the other hand, the same is true of several others. So for consistency either her full name could be mentioned or we could remove last names from cases where Chris hasn't mentioned it. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 14:53, 2 March 2024 (EST)

Lots of background info about people is found without Chris mentioning it so I think the last names should be kept.BaboonRancher23 (talk) 15:55, 2 March 2024 (EST)

Page Name

Since Fiona's last name is basically public information now, the Suitress policy is done, and for the sake of consistency, I'm completely on board with putting her last name in the infobox. However, I want to make sure if everyone here would be okay with changing the page name to include said last name, as well. Psycho 🐧 (talk) 17:45, 28 April 2025 (EDT)

I approve! BaboonRancher23 (talk) 18:14, 28 April 2025 (EDT)

Sections

Is it necessary to split the leak drama into multiple subsections? After all, both Chris and Fiona had minimal direct involvement in it, and there is the Post-incest leak drama page for details. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 06:15, 30 April 2025 (EDT)

It's mostly set up like that because I decided to format the page the same way Bella's was when re-writing it. If you don't feel it's necessary, though, you can edit it to keep it relevant specifically to Chris. Psycho 🐧 (talk) 06:47, 30 April 2025 (EDT)

Fiona's Age

I was somewhat concerned about including Fiona's age in the page itself, since I didn't want to risk infantilizing her. When she interacted with Chris, she was basically transitioning between adolescence and adulthood (She was either 18 or 19, but we're not entirely sure), and people have used that as an argument for her being protected in the past. At the same time though, I think including the age would be important in some cases, such as when Chris or Bella lies about it. With all of that in mind, I think I should get a second opinion on this matter. Psycho 🐧 (talk) 23:19, 3 May 2025 (EDT)

I know that you're trying to make up for the past issues that arose with the Suitress policy, but I'm beginning to worry that you're now overcorrecting with some of your recent edits. While certain information about Fiona has been used to infantilize her in the past - namely her age and autism - these are still important facts about her that are vital to understanding her character. Removing information that risks swaying public opinion in a certain direction is just doing what the Suitress policy did, but in reverse. Fiona should be covered like any other Christorical figure, viewed with as objective a lens as possible, and that means including relevant information no matter its potential consequences. Anaxis (talk) 04:01, 4 May 2025 (EDT)

Maybe I should step away from the page for a bit, if that's the case. I think I might have been a little too overzealous with correcting things as of late. I'm going to let others correct what is currently on the page. I kinda feel that coverage of Fiona has been akin to the parable Blind men and an elephant. Everyone that's covered her saw one specific trait of hers (her autism, her crush on Chris, her involvement in the Incest scandal, etc.) and they based their whole opinion of her on that. I think it'd help if people with different perspectives on her worked on the page rather than be it just me. Psycho 🐧 (talk) 09:12, 4 May 2025 (EDT)

Including her age would be good. I don't think it infantilizes her and it dispels the rumor that Bella wanted to record Chris having sex with a child to send him to prison. BaboonRancher23 (talk) 11:02, 4 May 2025 (EDT)

Incest Call

TBH, as I mentioned here, I suppose we could touch upon Snoo's handling of the incest call, as that personally affected Chris, but I don't really know if we should cover her being framed by Bella, and her "hospitilization" here all that much, as they don't necessarily connect to Chris. Plus, all of these things are both covered in The Lainchu Manifesto and The Blind Observers and a Snoo to some degree, so they don't necessarily need to be covered on the main wiki. I argue we might need to cut down on these things on Bella's page too. Psycho 🐧 (talk) 09:21, 11 May 2025 (EDT)

Everything not related to Chris should be removed. Only content relating to Chris should be featured on the main wiki. BaboonRancher23 (talk) 09:48, 11 May 2025 (EDT)

Btw, Bella lying to the Knights about Fiona being a minor should be included, because gossipers misrepresenting that is how the rumor that Bella had a pedo plot was created, which is something Chris has parroted. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 00:05, 12 May 2025 (EDT)

I'll figure out how to include that in the article. Psycho 🐧 (talk) 00:09, 12 May 2025 (EDT)

Two-Facedness

This is mostly in regards to the unreliable template, since I want to make sure her character is represented as accurately as possible when we talk about her credibility.

As I mentioned here, while nothing justifies what she did, there could have been a number of reasons for why Snoo could have appeared "two-faced", especially in the scenario that got her banned from the CWCki server. This is especially considering the fact that Snoo was apparently friends with SO MANY people in the CWCSphere, both good and bad actors. One may interpret her actions with regards to the mod DM leaks as they like, but like with the Incest Call, I'd personally chalk Snoo's actions to her having WAY too much trust in random people on the Internet. While what she did certainly was deceitful, I don't necessarily think means that she MEANT to do harm here. Psycho 🐧 (talk) 08:32, 12 May 2025 (EDT)

Attraction to Chris

So it came to my mind that we might need to be a bit wary of how we cover Snoo's attraction to Chris. While I think it is very crucial to understand this facet of her in order to understand her role with Chris, I do think there could potentially be a point where we diverge too much from the wiki's intended scope (that of Chris himself). This is considering the fact that Snoo's crush on Chris was fairly one-sided, and she didn't even want to be in a long-term relationship with him, so a lot of what she has to say about Chris says more about her than Chris himself. With that in mind, I think I should get a second opinion on what boundaries we should set when covering this topic.Psycho 🐧 (talk) 21:45, 1 June 2025 (EDT)

The Attraction to Chris section should be removed or massively trimmed BaboonRancher23 (talk) 22:55, 1 June 2025 (EDT)

Suitress summary

Is there any objection to summarizing the Suitress Policy as it used to be written here? I think that hit the key points of everything. Including Chris's mention of the suitress name. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 19:42, 3 June 2025 (EDT)

I'd probably do that, but rewrite it slightly. Otherwise, Blind Observers is meant to go into the whole scope about the policy's history. Psycho 🐧 (talk) 19:51, 3 June 2025 (EDT)

Rumors

Should we touch upon the rumors surrounding Snoo like we do with Bella? Chris's delusions surrounding her are based on the gossip surrounding the both of them. Psycho 🐧 (talk) 21:09, 3 June 2025 (EDT)

It used to have a Misinformation spread by Chris section. I think it would be good to readd. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 22:00, 3 June 2025 (EDT)

Just to let you know, I have the original article, basically the page before I started rehauling everything, saved here. I should also add that a lot of what appears in the "Misinformation" section appears in the revised page's "Favor from Chris" section. Psycho 🐧 (talk) 22:09, 3 June 2025 (EDT)

Autism Protip

I initially removed the protip about Snoo's autism because I felt it was redundant for the Autistic template I created. I'm thinking about adding it back, though, since that part of her might have significantly affected the perception of her role with Chris and related orbiters, especially given how she was described as being "extremely autistic" early on. Psycho 🐧 (talk) 12:19, 5 July 2025 (EDT)

The protip would be redundant. BaboonRancher23 (talk) 12:24, 5 July 2025 (EDT)