Talk:28 October 2011

Proposed article

This is my proposed solution to how we manage and collect information pertaining to the events of October 28th 2011.

To-do:

• Add categories
• Add more verifiable information
• Screencap the pages from the court website for preservation.

--Anonymax 14:44, 5 November 2011 (PDT)

Do we have a field agent that can attend the court hearing? That should give us the entire story behind all of this --SargentPickles 13:15, 5 November 2011 (PDT)

I live 2 hours away, my company pays my gas, and if I am not too busy with a lady, I could attend this court hearing if given the proper location of the hearing. Dickbuns 02:31, 26 February 2012 (PST)

Shouldn't it be mentioned this is the first (major) event since Bob died? --IwegalBadnik 13:43, 5 November 2011 (PDT)

• Is it noteworthy enough to note that their arraignments (or the time that the defendants are told of their crimes and to take guilty or not guilty pleas) have come to pass and according to their records, they are listed as "continued" which in this case means that they probably pled "not guilty" and are now facing their day in court? The only other explanation of "continued" being listed that I found was this, "continued in court cases generally means that they (defendant) plead 'not guilty' or that a plea deal/plea bargain is in the works". I just thought it'd be a note worthy fact-- that they are either planning a deal, or that they think they are not guilty. --4Macie 10:46, 7 November 2011 (PST)

The article is already rife with speculation, and until we see court documents or other documents - we don't know the exact circumstances surrounding the charges, the pleas given (if any), medical considerations or other reasons for deferral. I'd rather we waited until we could prove the reason for deferral under the "continued" reason before we document it. --Anonymax 11:10, 7 November 2011 (PST)

Title

Shouldn't the title be Americanized? September 11th isn't referred to as 11/9.--Steve Landcleamer 16:06, 5 November 2011 (PDT)

We have a few articles with titles like this (e.g.), so while I don't know if it's "right" or not, much like "Chris's", it's just become a standard. Good eye, though. I didn't catch that it wasn't Americanised. Freecell (t/c) 16:11, 5 November 2011 (PDT)

I based it on articles like 6 June 2010. --Anonymax 17:13, 5 November 2011 (PDT)

Chris with felonly charges? Ohhh, Santa came early this year, and goddamn, did he deliver~! Anywho; if it was Chris on his own, it might've been dismissed like last time, but with Barb involved too, this is more concrete and serious: I propose that the formal title of the page (or saga, if it comes to that) be the name of the court case (Snyder or People vs Chandler, whatever it may be) when we get it. --Xavier orona 00:45, 6 November 2011 (PDT)

Oh yeah and come to think of it - we Eurofag dates - see here. --Anonymax 06:06, 20 December 2011 (PST)

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Thank you based God Theiselybros 16:44, 5 November 2011 (PDT)

Explanation

Am I reading this right? Chris got an Assault charge (assumption being it has to do with Snyder) but Barb got one too... but for a police officer, because her day in court was Oct 31, is there any information about what "assault" on the officer she actually did? Does anyone know what "complainant : CASON" means? And where can the stuff about him being in jail for two days be found? (or was this something Chris himself gave out?) --4Macie 20:08, 5 November 2011 (PDT)

• Edit: ah, the actual trial for the assault isn't until December, so we probably won't find out what she did until then... It was some civil case between her and Snyder that occurred Oct 31-Nov 1--4Macie 20:13, 5 November 2011 (PDT)
  • Oct. 31st was her formal arraignment, where I guess they informed her of the charges against her and set a court date for a criminal trial. Whether or not Mr. Snyder will file a civil suit remains to be seen, but somehow I doubt that her wants to have anything more to do with the Chandlers if he can help it. Giantgroundsloth 21:29, 5 November 2011 (PDT)
    • (Messed up original links, but)Snyder's pressing civil charges against both, as both of his civil cases can be seen on the Virginia General District Courts site. Also, assault can be something as simple as a verbal threat, don't know if that was the case here, but it's something to keep in mind. Mrmonster 00:36, 6 November 2011 (PDT)

Who paid bail?

Is there any way to find out who paid bail? Most likely it was one of his extended family, but still. --Melainia 01:33, 6 November 2011 (PDT)

• It could have also been a bondsman, which is pretty likely. That's their whole business. --Mrmonster 00:38, 6 November 2011 (PDT)

Civil Charges

Anyone have any addition info about the civil charges from Mike? http://i.imgur.com/Fz281.png It says they were in court on Nov 1st but the case is listed as "Other Judgement" and a lot of the other fields are empty. Did Mike drop the case? --KillDeer 18:12, 6 November 2011 (PST)

• Saw this on /cwc/, it says here a person was injured, it could have been Mike. --Digital 22:56, 10 November 2011 (PST)
• We still await more concrete and reliable sources about the exact series of events. --Anonymax 01:29, 11 November 2011 (PST)

Chris's defense?

Not sure if the Autism card will completely save him this time, espectially for a felony. But could his years of being trolled actually give him a valid claim of "harassment". There certainly is an ocean of information posted online about him, much of which is blatant insults towards him. Any chance the CWCki could get in any sort of trouble for instigating these actions by Chris?

Also, may want to bring up that psych evaluation he had back in 2004 when he was kicked out of school. Could that prove any insight to his reasoning behind this incident; and could it maybe help/hurt his case?--Jcrowley1985 19:36, 6 November 2011 (PST)

• No. As far as I can tell, Chris using trolls and/or the CWCki as a reason for violating a restraining order is not going to cut it. I know he used it with the last little incident, but any judge with half a brain stem would realize that it's less about internet bullies and more about a 29-year-old man who should know better just not getting it.--Blazer 19:59, 6 November 2011 (PST)
• High Functioning Autism wouldn't play a huge role here, simply because it's not a truly debilitating disorder these days, and there is no way a judge would even consider the argument that "trolls" made him do it.... Chris having trolls doesn't change the fact that he did something wrong and illegal. It'll actually be pretty hilarious if he tries to use this site for proof against trolls simply for the fact that there are a lot of things Chris himself has 'donated' to the site that could get him in even more trouble... for example: does Mr.Snyder know that Chris has stated, on the internet, that Snyder is a child molester and has potentially fiddled with his own kids? Yeah, that won't go over too well. The way things are looking, if Chris is found guilty of any of these; he'll see jail/prison time for sure (if only because he will be unable to pay his huge fees and fines) Barb is probably in the same boat. Sadly, another thing to point out is that if they have to get repo-ed to pay for anything, the county will finally have to deal with their horrendous hoarding problem and will probably condemn the house, just as Bob had feared. --4Macie 20:38, 6 November 2011 (PST)
• It all depends on how his lawyer wants to play it. Is Robert Bell acting as a PD for his pro bono work? Either way, I'd bet that either his lawyer is so blase in regards to the situation and/or so overwrought by his other cases that he'll just advise Chris to plead guilty with mitigating circumstances (autism, grief, etc.), or, it's always possible that Robert Bell's a total shark who'll get Chris off with a slap on the wrist, yet again. Of course, there's always the possibility that he'll be committed.

I know Chris and Barb have four cars (one of which is a Jag according to one of the Kacey calls) so they could hock those for some CWC cash (see that thing I did?), and lord knows that Chris and Barb probably have at least, AT LEAST, $2000 worth of useless shit lying around their house, but, somehow, I'm in doubt that Barb'll be able to rouse Chris off of his ass for long enough to get him to help her (and himself). I've got to admit, I feel sort of sorry for Chris and Barb. Bob just died and lord knows that you never know what you have until it's gone. Their actions are inexcusable, yeah, but still, it's horrible that things have to end this way, if that's what ends up happening. I was, I guess naively, hoping that something would seep through Chris's skull and he'd just gracefully leave the internet and take some steps to improve himself, but it doesn't look like that's ever going to happen. He should thank God that's he's not going to be going to prison if he does have to be incarcerated. He'd get passed around like fucking candy there.

tl;dr Chris is fucked any-which-way Giantgroundsloth 21:18, 6 November 2011 (PST)

It's worse than that. If Chris is foolish enough to reference this site, he's going to be pointing the court toward evidence that he has no regrets on this incident, since the first thing he did after getting out of jail was to crow about his crimes here. Any decent prosecutor would then dig up his youtube videos, handily linked throughout the site, and reveal that he's got a history of antisocial behavior, the most recent threats and attempted extortion only just predating his father's passing (and thereby casting doubt on grounds for his recent grief).

His best chance is an insanity plea, which is difficult to prove on people who can communicate more clearly then Chris can. Ironically, the clearest indicators -- his beliefs that his creations are real -- may come off as so ludicrous that the plea might get dismissed.

Failing that, he'll be extremely lucky to get a plea bargain down to some serious community service and probation. Unfortunately for him, his history with Snyder in specific shows how extraordinarily lenient everyone's already been. Any decent prosecutor will insist on such as part of their arguments, and should Chris' previous proud attempts at vehicular assault enter play, he's almost certainly going to have jail time as part of a plea. Even disregarding that, though, I'd be surprised if Chris actually made any efforts should he get probation and community service, as his history shows he'd ignore both, forcing the issue of jail time.

Sadly enough, that's actually the extent of the good news for him. The bad news is that Chris' pride and arrogance may lead him to refuse any such pleas -- in his mind, he's neither insane nor has any of his behavior ever been anything less than justified -- and worse, he may even try to represent himself. Should that happen, his only real shot is to have Barb legally declare him as incompetent. While at first blush that sounds like it'd lead to him getting off on insanity after all, it'd rely primarily on Barb's testimony to go through -- and Barb's already supported him enough to be his accomplice.

The primary factors now on whether Chris is going to jail are his county's prison system, his prosecutor's diligence, and how much ridiculous bullshit Chris serves up in his own defense. If he acts out in court, continues his libelous antics outside of it, or submits anything damaging in his "defense," he screws himself to oblivion. Hell, if Snyder comes here, or if someone contacts him and points him our way, the prosecution would have a field day.

Quite frankly, this is so stacked against him I'm almost of a mind Barb did this intentionally to try to get the state to take custody of him before she dies, too, sad as it is to say.

Kestrel 00:25, 7 November 2011 (PST)

• None of this is really relevant to the article, so next person who contributes something that doesn't relate to this article gets banned. You can talk about it elsewhere like on our forums.--Champthom 06:27, 7 November 2011 (PST)

Article Title and Redirects

We need to get a more fitting title set up as well as some redirects. I'm not sure how, exactly... But something like "Arrest" for a redirect. My creative juices are currently burnt out so I leave this all up to you for tonight.

The subsection regarding the incident on the GAMe PLACe page called it "Strike Three, You're Out!" Something along those lines, perhaps?--Henry Bemis 22:16, 6 November 2011 (PST)

We are a Wiki at the end of the day - and it's less about getting a "fitting" or amusing title, and more about getting a sensible one. I chose this one based on other articles about specific events (mostly significant videos that were not given a particularly unique name by Chris). "Keep It Simple" is the golden rule here, so any renames should be both simple and yet, unique enough for people to be easily able to find it. I'm totally open to better suggestions for the article title though, as I said near the top of this discussion page. --Anonymax 03:17, 7 November 2011 (PST)

Title suggestion: 2011 GAMe PLACe Altercation and Trial. Given that Chris is going before the grand jury however, we need to keep in mind this article is probably going to need to be split eventually as this whole thing is probably far from over. --Derk 10:04, 12 July 2012 (PDT)

Where

Did someone know exactly where the trial will take place (ie some court on Chalottesville i presume) René Duprée 10:25, 7 November 2011

• Charlottesville Circuit Court most likely? The circuit court has jurisdiction over all felonies and that is where a jury trial would be held. Unfortunately on their case lookup page, that court isn't in the list. Penman28 09:55, 8 November 2011 (PST)
• Considering that the charges are filed under "Charlottesville General District Court" I'm gonna guess thats where things are going down. --KillDeer 10:49, 8 November 2011 (PST)

Chris's Account

Is it worth mentioning anything about this "CWC Michael Snyder Interview"? I looked it up on youtube and it's originally from 2010; so it's not really recent, nor does it pertain to anything Chris is talking about. He doesn't even say he wants to lore Chris into the Place; he actually says "We have a Pokemon Tournament the 22nd, I really hope Chris doesn't try to show up... That'd be really bad." I guess what I'm getting at is this: would it be worth putting in a small summary about the video Chris is saying will get him off the hook? Or do we just leave it and if people want to see it they can look it up themselves? (I really wish we could get Mr. Snyder's accounts of the happenings as well, just to compare the two.) --4Macie 10:37, 9 November 2011 (PST)

I removed that section since it isn't 100% confirmed to be Chris yet (and in the case he does - he reads the Wiki). If it gets re-added I'd say just link it and add a Wiki page if there isn't already. --Drpepper 14:15, 9 November 2011 (PST)

Removed the email

I went ahead and removed the halfsie-confirmed email I posted in the forums, since it's not fully confirmed to be by Chris and just not someone from Inner/PVCC in-the-know (and for the agent's sake). Just reverse if nobody gives a fuck. --Drpepper 14:11, 9 November 2011 (PST)

• I do believe that someone said "Tito and champthom just confirmed that some events match up". So maybe keep it but add some kind of disclaimer saying we don't have Christian Weston Chandler's confirmation; but some highly reliable sources can confirm that events match up?? --4Macie 15:52, 9 November 2011 (PST)

Either way, the fact that Chris reads the Wiki remains and leaving the email up compromises a field agent, and genereal consensus is on the forums (in that topic) is that we keep it down until later. PVCC trolls have also asked that it doesn't go up yet on /cwc/. --Drpepper 16:19, 9 November 2011 (PST)

• There is truth to it, I will tell you that, but I'd prefer it if someone can say something solid about it as in "This is from Chris 100%." I suppose we could leave it with a disclaimer that "According to Tito, this is true" so people can interpret it however they'd like, but I'd prefer that we wait until we can get a solid confirmation about it.--Champthom 21:50, 9 November 2011 (PST)

• • I'm more concerned with it impacting operations. I don't want to interfere with any plans already in play... I say keep it down until we get confirmation that saga is over --SargentPickles 23:22, 9 November 2011 (PST)

We do get information such as emails from offical channels, so I support the motion to omit the material that was added from the article for the timebeing until we are sure of a reliable source. --Anonymax 11:50, 10 November 2011 (PST)

This is still our stance for now - we await further verifiable evidence that this account is verbatim what Chris said. /cwc/ and ED are not reliable enough sources. --Anonymax 15:29, 17 November 2011 (PST)

End of the world

If Chris is sentenced in December 2011, next month, that means that if he receives the minimum sentence for his felony count, that means that he will get out of prison on December 2012, the same time that the world is supposed to end. How interesting. --TheJerk 12:56, 12 November 2011 (PST)

Eh - it's sort of interesting in a theoretical way. Speaking of theories - they don't belong on article talk pages. Please use the links at the top of this talk page to find better places for pointing out or discussing similar things. --Anonymax 13:48, 12 November 2011 (PST)

GAME PLACe

The PLACe has changed names now, should we be using the new name in this article I think so, or ate least referred to as "Cville's Hobbies, Games, and Toys (Formorly The GAMe PLACe)" for accuracy .-~ Slimz ~-. 13:44, 22 November 2011 (PST)

I think in this case, similar to Chris' vs Chris's, established convention ought to take precedence over accuracy. I don't think the majority of people would know what "Cville's Hobbies, Games and Toys" is, and I don't think there's much need for them to know the new name. The rename probably deserves a mention in the relevant article, but I don't think everything needs to be readjusted. If Chris ever starts referring to the store explicitly by its new name, renaming things might make it easier on readers, but until then, I don't think it's really beneficial. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Freecell (talk • contribs) 13:52, 22 November 2011 (PST)

• Totally agree Freecell. It definitely should be mentioned in the article, but a name change would just complicate things. And for some reason, I have a really weird feeling that Chris would never call it anything other than "The PLACe". --4Macie 14:51, 22 November 2011 (PST)

Court Liaison???

Is there anybody who is planning on going to the courthouse on December 15th in order to document Chris and Snorlax's appearances for us? Perhaps a live blog of the proceedings would be in order? Just saying. --Osideguy92 20:56, 11 December 2011 (PST)

• Check the CWCki Forum.--trombonista 18:03, 12 December 2011 (PST)

Rob Bell article needed

We need to have an article here on the CWCki about Bell's involvement in the court cases. His involvement in all this is too minor for the other sites. --Munch 21:01, 19 December 2011 (PST)

All we know about him is that he's representing Chris in court. Unless there's more info out there (such as why he's representing Chris; was he court-appointed or hired by Barb) then I don't see why we should give him his own article. --T K 19 22:38, 19 December 2011 (PST)

We already deleted an article that was created for Rob Bell as we currently don't have enough information on him* to warrant a solo article. For now, any things about him relevant to this case can be documented on this article.

(*and no, this isn't a call for people to go digging for information on him - we should keep all details on the CWCki related to either Chris or the court case.) --Anonymax 06:09, 20 December 2011 (PST)

we know this:

"Rob Bell is an honors graduate of the University of Virginia and the University of Virginia Law School. At the Law School, Mr. Bell served as the Executive Editor of the Virginia Law Review and was selected for the Order of the Coif.

Mr. Bell served for five years as a state prosecutor in Orange County, Virginia. During this time he prosecuted thousands of criminal and traffic cases.

In 2001, Mr. Bell was elected to the Virginia General Assembly as the Delegate from the 58th District. As Delegate, he serves on the Courts for Justice Committee and the Virginia State Crime Commission. He has authored numerous criminal laws, including laws dealing with drunk driving, sex crimes, and criminal procedure.

Mr. Bell joined Davidson & Kitzmann in 2005 and tries cases in all state and federal courts.

His wife, his son Robbie, and his daughter Evelyn live in Albemarle County."

http://www.dklawyers.com/bio_rbell.htm

and this http://www.nbc29.com/story/16202740/rob-bell-enters-attorney-general-race .-~ Slimz ~-. 09:52, 20 December 2011 (PST)

Cool. Anything on him relevant to Chris? No? Well okay then. --Old meme 10:17, 20 December 2011 (PST)

He is Chris's lawyer, he deserves a stub. more info will come.. The actual trial should give us some information. besides http://sonichu.com/cwcki/Special:ShortPages .-~ Slimz ~-. 10:50, 20 December 2011 (PST)

No he doesn't - not a this time. I have spoken. --Anonymax 10:52, 20 December 2011 (PST)

Does this saga have a name?

If not i would call it the "Attack on C-Ville (or CWC-Ville) saga.. Is this even a saga? it certainly meets what i would think are the criteria. .-~ Slimz ~-. 12:14, 3 January 2012 (PST)

• I'd say it's a part of the ongoing GAMe PLACe Saga. --SonichuLives 13:32, 3 January 2012 (PST)
  • ok the reason i ask is that the graphic for the saga page (and the page itself) needs to be updated to include 2012 stuff.-~ Slimz ~-. 07:49, 4 January 2012 (PST)

So what happened on Jan 5?

--Sonijew is back 17:06, 6 January 2012 (PST)

Protection Order

Should it be mentioned in the article what the Protection Order does? Or should we just link it to a definition? A Protection Order for Snyder means that Chris will no longer (for the duration of the order) visit Snyder's place of business, Chris will no longer be able to talk with Snyder, he will no longer be allowed to threaten Snyder in any way (even through internet means), and he will not be able to basically do anything else that involves Snyder (this includes using his name on sites like Facebook). IF Chris is caught doing any of these prohibited things, it can be considered a civil OR criminal offense and Chris will be given a jail/prison sentence along with a fine. I'm thinking this is a very important development for the Chris/Snyder relationship; but I'm not sure if we should directly reference the Protection Order in this article. Thoughts? --4Macie 14:59, 6 April 2012 (PDT)

• That would depend on what priorities take precedence. We could: 1. elaborate rather deeply on the subject and inform CWCki readers right now; or 2. wager Chris and/or Barb don't know about what is entailed, and omit this information in hopes that these penalties will be realized. I personally favor the former myself. --IwegalBadnik 15:10, 6 April 2012 (PDT)

Time to split

This article either needs a new name, or its time to split it. October 28 2011 has long past and the events of THAT day are DONE. This article seemed like the best place to have all the court info at first but with all the continuances and stuff happening between then and now, this has become more of a saga and i think it should be treated as such. 'Court Saga' is a better name, its more open and less date specific. This article spans 7 months yet it bears as its title a single date in October of 2011. slimz - ┌∩┐(◣_◢)┌∩┐ 04:55, 10 April 2012 (PDT)

Nothing has been done about this yet, i suggest that the event be given a name and that information about this event be split. One page for the events of that day (this one) and a second page that outlines the court the entire situation. Otherwise it may be easier to just rename this article to something that is more fitting for a page that deals with more than just one date. slimz - ┌∩┐(◣_◢)┌∩┐ 11:16, 11 April 2012 (PDT)

So do it. --Mr Derp 12:03, 11 April 2012 (PDT)

• my thoughts don't mean shit...but here it goes. 1) if it bothers you that much that the title of this article says 28 October 2011 because, as you said, this has gone over 7 months now; than change it. If someone else doesn't like it, they'll change it... and those that don't care will just leave it be. 2) Personally, I think it should just stay 28 October 2011 because that's what it is... Now, I'm going to go into a dangerous road here, but please, don't take offense. 9/11 (for example) is the day thousands died; yet it is still commonly known as 9/11 or September 11th. It's not 9/11/01, and not usually September 11th, 2001. It's also not called, The Day Planes Hit The Twin Towers And The Pentagon And A Place Near A Farm And Thousands Died (Saga);. It's just not, and again, I'm not trying to start something, I'm just using 9/11 as an example that sometimes things are known simply because the DATE itself was important, not just the days/months/years that came with it... I really think that this 28 October 2011 should be left as it is because that's what it will be known for... the day Chris will finally have to pay the piper (so to speak). "Court Saga" doesn't really sound good simply because this isn't the first time Chris has gone to Court, so unless we insert the other event as well...it just won't work. Would you leave stuff dealing with Ivy or Jackie out of their Sagas? Probably not. I dunno, this is long winded and probably a lot "forum"-y talk, but that's what I think.--4Macie 21:28, 11 April 2012 (PDT)

I'm gonna change the name Dangdirtylols 13:27, 10 July 2012 (PDT) Once I work out how o do it.. Dangdirtylols 13:29, 10 July 2012 (PDT)

Moving, splitting, and merging are things only admins can do. Trying to move it manually would remove the page history, and so would be reverted quickly. You'll have to wait. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Freecell (talk • contribs) 23:49, 10 July 2012 (PDT)

What name? What saga is this? Axe 00:45, 11 July 2012 (PDT)

Felony Saga? Hit & Run Saga? Courthouse Saga? Trial Saga? Justice Saga?--Dangdirtylols 15:48, 11 July 2012 (PDT)

Sentencing

Where did the details regarding Chris and Barb's sentencing come from? I saw it on Da Update and moved the info over from there.--The Mad Butcher Of Insert Country Here 00:35, 11 July 2012 (PDT)

• Most likely The Official Website for Virginia's Judicial System. Alopax 00:59, 11 July 2012 (PDT)Alopax
  • At the time of this posting, that site has nothing updated for the Chandler's, in fact, it still says they have an active case and their arraignment date set. What I don't understand is this, I was under the impression that an arraignment was only for the prosecuted to plead guilty, not guilty, no contest, ext. I thought there was a different date all together for sentencing. But of course, this article says there was a plea bargain in place, which would probably happen during the arraignment. The only way I think we know this is through the troll that was there that day. --4Macie 16:23, 11 July 2012 (PDT)

A Quick Question

I understand as part of Christian's and Barb's plea deal, they have to pay Mike's medical expenses. Was there any wording in the plea that indicated that Mike was settling his civil case against them in exchange for this settlement, or is his civil suit still ongoing? I know it's not entirely strange for civil suits to be settled in criminal courts in exchange for plea deals, but I can't find any information about whether Mike's civil suit is still ongoing or not. --SargentPickles 21:32, 11 July 2012 (PDT)

• Snyder received the restraining order again the Chandler's during the Civil Suit. This actually didn't go to trail, so I'm assuming it was a plea deal, kinda like "I won't press charges as long as you stay the hell away from me" type thing. The plea bargain for the criminal charges dealing with Snyder's medical payments was probably an add-in to make the deal look better and to show that the Chandler's have some remorse over their actions (though, as we can see, Chris has no remorse for what he's done to Snyder and is only upset because he got in trouble). --4Macie 13:29, 12 July 2012 (PDT)

Cyan & Indigo's report

Just as a reminder, only publicly available media is acceptable to cite on the CWCki. This is to promote transparency and as it stands, the CWCki Forums require registration and people shouldn't have to register an account to check out the report.

However, I've just asked Cyan if we can use her report here and if she consents, we'll make an article for it in the same vein as The Tale of the Crazy Pacer and other verified reports of Chris sightings. --Champthom 00:13, 12 July 2012 (PDT)