User talk:Llort

Contact me on AIM

See my user page. It's nothing bad, just need to talk to you about something. --Champthom 08:33, 28 December 2009 (CET)

Good game.

Those edits on the Watch and Win Sweepstakes transcript are just incredibly funny. I salute you, fine sir. --USAJAP1 18:28, 11 November 2009 (CET)

• I honestly have no idea how it took me almost two months to notice this message on my own talk page, but thank you, USAJAP1, for these kind words! Llort 05:10, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

• welcome lol --USAJAP1 21:18, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Pull quotes

Just curious, are you going with something amusing or trying to match what Chris is saying from the still that YouTube has for the video? --Champthom 09:19, 9 June 2009 (CEST)

• Usually, I'm trying to pull the quote that made me laugh the hardest. If nothing was particularly funny, I'll just try to go with whatever short quote seems to sum up the whole (often depressing) gist of the video. But I don't have a totally set system. I guess the only rule that I really try to stick with is to never pick a quote that will run for more than one line of text beneath the video, since that just looks ugly. But I've even broken that rule a couple of times! Llort 15:18, 9 June 2009 (CEST)
• Since a lot of videos' article titles aren't particularly descriptive - especially the many Captain's Log pages - I figure it may be a good idea to include these pull quotes as a really fast, effective way of reminding veteran viewers (or informing new viewers) of what these videos are about (or just eliciting a cheap laugh). Summaries serve this same purpose, but they're not nearly so efficient about it, and they don't benefit from using Chris's own words. Llort 15:26, 9 June 2009 (CEST)

Ban

I am sorry to do this to you, especially since you're one of the better contributors, but I said I would and you saw the warning on the Questions for Chris page. DO NOT ASSUME ANYTHING WITH CHRIS. Yes, it's likely that's the answer but that's not necessarily the case. People assume Chris uses "Captain's Log, Stardate" because they think he's a Star Trek fan when in reality he's never even watched Star Trek and it's more likely he heard this on Family Guy and liked it. Point is, unless you have direct confirmation from Chris, DO NOT POST AN ANSWER (this goes for everyone). Yes, it's likely this is the answer but we should not be assuming the answer.

As you do contribute regularly and I know you meant well, I've only banned you for two hours effective 00:01 UTC (~8 p.m. EST). This is nothing personal, just ensuring high quality standards for CWCki. --Champthom 02:14, 9 July 2009 (CEST)

Editor, researcher, example for others: I serve CWCki in many capacities! (Haha.)

For realsies, though, I understand your move. I cast myself as the "World's Greatest Detective" half because I was really proud of having tracked down that mystery line's apparent origin, but half because I figured that - even though I wasn't doing anything wrong (in my opinion) by adding that information to the page - Gotham CWCki was free to hunt me for it, because I could take it. I was willing to be temporarily banned to post some info that was unverified, because I knew in my little black heart that it was nevertheless right.

Between Chris's obsession with all things Adult Swim and the fact that the Space Ghost episode I take him to be quoting was released on DVD just a little over a year before he drew that comic, I honestly find it impossible to imagine that he got the line from anywhere else. Sure, he could've gotten it directly from that ancient Outer Limits episode, but he doesn't seem to care for sci-fi, and the timing would make much less sense. And sure, he could've gotten it from a friend quoting the episode without having watched it himself, but A) Chris has no friends, and B) that would still be a case of Chris getting the line from the episode, albeit one step removed.

I understand that we want everything on CWCki to be encyclopedic, but IMHO it's nice to have just a little leeway. That gives us a chance to have super-awesome articles like Excel-Saga. I mean, we know that Chris used to watch that show, but - as far as I know - no one's gone out and asked him time after time: "So, did you steal this line from Excel-Saga?" to verify every one of the unbelievable "coincidences" between that show and his comics. I feel like my addition to Questions for Chris was in that same vein. Him just "happening" to make up a long line of gibberish that is almost exactly this other long line of gibberish backwards is unthinkable. Maybe it's just that we're holding that one page to a higher standard than every other page?

Anyway, I think I might like to create a sub-page for myself to hold my hypothesis on the mystery line. I seriously put a lot of work into it. And that way, people could word search the phrase and at least be pointed in what seems to me to be the right direction. (But I'd add a little disclaimer.) I'm just saying this now in case you don't want me to do that because it might look like I was undermining your authority, which isn't my intention. Llort 15:58, 9 July 2009 (CEST)

• The thing is though, with the question pages, assuming answers leads to different outcomes. For instance, let's consider Sonichu 8 where Bubbles has a little get together with Blake to celebrate his birthday. The scene is a total ripoff of the final scene from "Sixteen Candles" where Molly Ringwald is asked what she wished for whens he blew out the candles and she looks up at her crush and says "It already came true." Now there's two possibilities - either Chris is familiar with the original (Chris has a penchant for romantic comedies, hence why he has a warped view of women and how dating works), the other is that he saw that Family Guy episode where this scene is one of those "manatee gags" (as in Peter says "Remember the time when...?"). The first has an implication that Chris is a dude who watches too many romantic comedies; the other is that Chris is spoon fed pop culture by Family Guy. Assuming one or another has implications in what is thought about Chris. Likewise, since you mention Excel Saga, I believe it's been mentioned that there's a possibility that things like Sonichu Balls aren't a result of Chris watching Dragon Ball Z but rather Chris watching Excel Saga's parody of DBZ. In other words, Chris rips off the ripoff.

Yes, Chris probably got it from that Space Ghost episode (though I don't believe we have any record of Chris being a Space Ghost fan). Yet it's possible he heard this elsewhere though - Chris never ceases to amaze. While it's not as bad as assuming that Chris would tell tobacco farmers to screw themselves "In da eargh," it's a misleading assumption that can hamper getting a real answer which could show some insight into Chris's creative process.

The main reason why the Questions page has a higher standard is so it can serve as a primary source and temporary place for information about Chris to come in until it can be incorporated formally into other articles. Too many people write stuff in the article that they think Chris would say which is not the same thing as getting a direct response.

It was a good answer, I'll say that, but it's not an answer with a direct citation to Chris. By all means post it on a sub page, just not on the Questions page.

I'll ask the field agent who is in touch with Chris to ask him about where he got the reference. I hope they'll be able to lead into it naturally, and I hope Chris even remembers what the hell that was about, but Chris seems to take a while before he suspects stuff. If we're lucky, by tonight we can clear this mystery once and for all with a definitive answer from Chris. --Champthom 16:40, 9 July 2009 (CEST)

I think what all of your counter-examples have taught me is that - when in doubt - we should assume until further notice that Chris is just stealing all of his material from Family Guy. (Haha.)

I'm excited by the prospect of soon learning with certainty what the origin of the mystery line is, so I'll hold off on creating a sub-page for a while in case the field agent succeeds! Llort 16:57, 9 July 2009 (CEST)

• Since some time is passed, I think no one would get mad to me that this was asked of Chris and he said he "just thought of it." So yeah, Chris probably lied. --Champthom 05:41, 18 August 2009 (CEST)
• Thanks for the update. As proposed so long ago, here's my sub-page. Llort 01:44, 19 August 2009 (CEST)

Hi there!

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• Heh, I know you're a regular around here, but I've been trying to manually welcome all users, new or old, so that they can have easy access to the links to the priority listing and the community portal. Please don't take offense, but we don't have a bot to do this. If the welcome message really displeases you feel free to remove it. --Megaman! 00:10, 29 July 2009 (CEST)

Oversized template

I already made one: Template:Oversized --Great Briton 16:22, 30 July 2009 (CEST)

• Well, I'll be damned. Good work. I'm concerned, though, that the text reflects such a retentionist mindset. It's not always the case that all information should be kept and merely moved to different articles. Sometimes, some information just needs to be shitcanned. The template's text should reflect that. Llort 17:04, 30 July 2009 (CEST)

Video titles

Dude, it's alright to call videos what Chris originally called them without the Eurofag dating. I mean, if Chris calls it "Chris Chan Update September 28, 2008" then it's alright to say that and not have the page be "Chris Chan Update 28 September 2008" or whatever, it's mostly for linking purposes and within articles to use Eurofag dating. --Champthom 01:34, 5 November 2009 (CET)

I was actually going to ask about that, but I ended up just plowing ahead anyway. Chris alters how he lists the date so much from one video to the next that I figured a standard would be very helpful. Currently, Eurofag is CWCki standard, and despite being an Americunt, I'm used to that by now. The system I've adopted still suits me if you don't have a problem with it. There's always time for future tweaking, I suppose. Llort 01:39, 5 November 2009 (CET)

The list you requested

I didn't want to fill up your talk page, so I put it here The ones with question marks I'm not totally sure of. Since I use a modified datestamp for the videos in the torrent, I don't keep the original one as part of the filename. At some point, I think he stopped leaving the datestamp at the end of the "CWC Update"s, but I'm not exactly sure when. Also, I've omitted the ones that I know came from Vivitheg, since they had different names. --Whoreos n' Milf 23:26, 7 November 2009 (CET)

• Stupendous work. You are truly a man among manchildren. Llort 23:42, 7 November 2009 (CET)

{{succession}}

...and this is why people should keep the template parameters backward-compatible. =) Anyway, Chris Chan's Public Announcement has been fix'd; hopefully this sets a clear enough example. --wwwwolf (wake me when you need me) 15:20, 11 November 2009 (CET)

• Yup - that example is clear enough for even me to understand! Thanks for da update, wwwwolf. Llort 00:37, 12 November 2009 (CET)

Jack Thaddeus Call

Out of curiosity, why did you replace the em dashes (—) on the phone call with ugly and entirely incorrect double-hyphens (--)? That isn't the correct grammatical symbol. In fact, the double-hyphen isn't even a real grammatical symbol. It's really something people made when they didn't bother to look up to alt+0151 gives an em dash/were to lazy to actually do it. Unless I'm really missing something here, those should really be reverted.... Perhaps your font doesn't support the dash...? But... it's a Unicode character.... I don't know... but, regardless... I really think it should be reverted to the —. --Tristran 05:49, 7 December 2009 (CET)

I have a hatred of em dashes that I can't quite explain. Good ol' Wikipedia mentions that The Elements of Typographic Style "argues that the length and visual magnitude of an em dash 'belongs to the padded and corseted aesthetic of Victorian typography'", and that's essentially the opinion that I hold. (That said, I'm not arguing that the suggestions made by The Elements are in any way binding.)

I'm not sure why you consider double hyphens to be "entirely incorrect". I would certainly agree that they stand out in an arresting fashion; but at the same time, I would argue that that's a virtue considering that - when used in a transcript - their purpose is precisely to catch the reader's attention and make them think "ah - this is a definite (yet unintentional) interruption in speech!"

To me, at least, the fact that a double hyphen does appear so "ugly" much better conveys the feel of speech being broken off than does an em dash, which to me can't help but convey some sort of unbroken fluidity by its very appearance. Champthom recommended to me recently that I write up a style guide for transcripts here on CWCki, since I've edited so many of them in my time here. I suppose that this item in such a guide would make for a point of contention! Llort 06:44, 7 December 2009 (CET)

Ugh. I don't truly feel that any grammatical character should be hideous. That isn't to say that I don't think the "interjection marker" (as I'll call it, be it "-- " or "—") should avoid being eye-catching, but eye-catching does not equate to hideous. I, quite personally, think that "-- " looks novice and... just plain ugly. I find "—" to also stand out in text, due to its length, but without the ugliness. Additionally, dashes are neither written like as "-- " in hand-writing, nor in published works of literature (at least as far as I've seen). However, the point remains, I suppose, that you've been appointed as the stylism master. If you so choose that we use your way over mine, then I guess that I must comply. --Tristran 06:57, 7 December 2009 (CET)

Thanks for sorting the Fanmail Reading thing

I meant say something to the degree of "Llort will sort this out since that's his sort of thing" but I accidentally that sentenced.--Champthom 23:06, 11 December 2009 (CET)

• Haha. You know me too well. (And it was my pleasure. :3) Llort 00:37, 12 December 2009 (CET)

Contact me ASAP

This is URGENT Jerkop business. --Champthom 02:58, 1 April 2010 (UTC)