Talk:Watchmen

Title

What if we rename this to CPU Gatekeepers? Then move the Arbitarch stuff to a side-note on the page and put back the Gatekeepers summary from Other Enablers? Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 04:36, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Just Gatekeepers will be better, not everyone is a CPU. Other than that I agree. - klop (talk) 04:39, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Fair point, though Gatekeepers sounds like more of a disambiguation page since other groups have been gatekeepers before. I guess it could work as a temp title until more info comes to light. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 04:51, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

How about "The Watchmen". A reference to the classic comic book. Plus I want to call myself Rorschach (since he writes a diary and is almost like a chronicler of events). As of now 4 members are publically known - Me, MKR, Aqua and anameisaname from kiwi farms. - klop (talk) 03:21, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. Okay to start sections on Rorschach and anameisaname? Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 07:13, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

Conflicts on Origins section

In the Origins section, someone asked a Watchman about the origins of the group, and the Watchman responded by quoting a section from the Guard Dogs article which stated that the Guard Dogs elected people to supervise Chris at further conventions.

However, the editor who put that section in has since retracted it for lack of source and said he had probably misread the Kiwi Farms thread. Marvin, one of the Guard Dogs, also stated that Chris was on his own and had no one babysitting him. File:Marvin on conventions claim.png.

So I'm deleting the Origins section in light of the conflict. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 03:24, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

So I talked to Naught about the conflict and got some clarifying statements saying that Owls, the original leader of the Watchmen, lied about some things. Will restore the Origins section and incorporate the new statements in. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 04:27, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

Ongoing?

I noticed that the ongoing template was removed. Are they no longer gatekeeping Chris, or was it just removed because they're generally not publicly active? Lez (talk) 08:58, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

Figured it could be removed since there hasn't been news lately and the page itself isn't frequently updated anymore. Think we should put it back? Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 16:29, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

I think it should regain the ongoing template because while they aren't regularly active, they are still interacting with Chris. The removal of the template suggests that they aren't gatekeepers anymore, which isn't the case as far as I know. I was also thinking about adding a section about how a watchman posted one user's info and links to several of their social media accounts on the CWCki Discord (effectively doxxing that user), which resulted in that watchman (maybe two of them) being banned. It's not closely related to Chris but it would do a good job of showing how they operate. Abaddon (talk) 06:10, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

I agree with Abaddon. They're definitely still interacting with Chris in private, so it should be put back. And adding some of that information regarding how they operate would also be helpful for the article. Lez (talk) 22:21, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

Alright, readded the template. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 22:25, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

This is somewhat unrelated to the topic at hand, but can anyone ask if they can get Chris to do more Q&As? It's been nearly half a year since the last one. KingClark (talk) 18:17, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

I unfortunately haven't received any new answers since Discord Q&A 11 (I run the CWC Questions server and the depository), although I am told that Chris does get regular reminders about the Q&A. I hate to say it, but it's really just a waiting game at this point to see if he'll ever get around to it. --Anaxis (talk) 01:24, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

Should Klop and Anaxis be put under the known members list?

It's blatantly obvious now that the two of them were way more involved with the Watchmen and Chris than they ever publicly let on. So should there be sections for them here? Lez (talk) 05:16, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Absolutely. I am curious why they are not here already to be honest. Not including them begins to give an appearance of bias. They are not the only individuals who were involved in these Discords who haven't been named, either. But the information available is still coming out on that and everything is kind of in a state of flux right now, so one thing at a time I guess. SpookyBones (talk) 06:24, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Every known member of the Watchmen should be in the article, so yes. Shockingly ironic that a mod of the discord server in which trying to contact Chris is a bannable offense would be in contact with Chris. When did this info surface? Abaddon (talk) 06:45, 10 Sep 2021 (UTC)

Quite recently, as part of a deep dive into the CWCKi server leaks and into Sean's antics generally. Anaxis and Klop are collateral damage, really, but nonetheless information about their role came out and will probably continue to come out. SpookyBones (talk) 07:42, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Sean Walker

Sean has sections on two separate pages on this wiki - one here, one on the Bella page - which are almost completely identical. This makes things confusing in a bunch of ways (sections may not be completely in sync with each other and have different information, different redirects for his name go to different pages, etc). It's also just very clumsy and awkward.

I see three possible options here:

1. A new, separate page should be made for Sean, which will be linked on both the Watchmen and Bella articles, with a brief summary of how he was relevant to the corresponding subjects below.

2. Remove Sean from the Watchmen article and put everything into the Bella article, or vice versa.

3. Do nothing, and maintain the status quo.

Thoughts? --4CentUser (talk) 18:16, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

The first option sounds pretty good to me. There should be enough material for Sean's own article at this point. Lez (talk) 03:49, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

That was where I was leaning towards too. Seeing as how PsychoNerd is already making the page for Sean, I'm gonna remove the templates from this and the bella article now that it's concluded. --4CentUser (talk) 15:09, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

Minor members

I don't really see what the point of keeping around the sections for minor members like Kyle and Owls is. They were never really relevant in the first place, and now that the Watchmen have disbanded, chances are we'll never hear from them again. I propose we either remove them from the page or split them into a different section called 'minor members' so they don't take attention away from the real important players like Sean and Bismuth. --4CentUser (talk) 17:26, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

I asked one of my sources about this. The response was, "minor members? LOL. Owls started the shit and Kyle is besties with MKR and Naught." So, maybe the words you're looking for are "members not involved in any of the big scandals", so I guess in that sense they're minor, but not really. People who were involved with these groups really need to be more extensively documented, not less. Ignoring and/or covering for up their bullshit and antics has already caused enough problems. The "Knights" don't even have a page on here yet ffs. SpookyBones (talk) 05:09, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

More on minor individuals, not less

I revised my comment above somewhat as it was a bit over the top, sorry. I'm adding some content on some of these so-called "minor members" and on the Watchmen/Knights schism as well as other individuals who were present in the Discord logs and the general controversies surrounding the Watchmen. The Watchmen generally are severely underdocumented on this Wiki relative to their involvement with the several Chris-related scandals. It is hard not to ponder whether this is related to the fact that several of their members, ex-members, and associates are prominent on this site. It's astounding to me that these individuals haven't contributed more here given the importance of this topic. There is quite a bit more to add, both stuff I have in my notes and/or on Kiwi and stuff that still needs researching or might be better added by others. SpookyBones (talk) 14:47, 23 October 2021 (UTC)