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==Merged Christian Love Day==
==What the fuck?==
Any comments on this? [[User:Griffintown|Griffintown]] 05:11, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
Why is there pictures of an old man holding his hairy ass open all over the page? Just WTF?! --[[User:Callitcwc|Callitcwc]] 23:13, 16 September 2012 (PTC)
*Good move. He seems to think he deserves an IRL holiday for what is equivalent to a mini-Holocaust, on the same day the Nazi Party was founded, and which happened ''only in his imagination.'' If that isn't massive egotism... --[[User:SnorlaXBOX|SnorlaXBOX]] 05:18, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
 
:*A "Fun" part to add when we will get his "insight" on this; The Nazi Death-Camps also "Processed" Homosexuals. The parallels are quite enlightening. [[User:Griffintown|Griffintown]] 05:29, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
==Archived==
:**Ah, I feel a fanart coming on for that... AusCWCtz, anyone? --[[User:SnorlaXBOX|SnorlaXBOX]] 06:22, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
With the massive rewrite of this article complete, old news has been archived.  Keep up the good work adding details and improving our shiny new article! --[[User:Dude|Dude]] 23:11, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
:* Imagine the look on his face when/if someone tells him his birthday and Christian Love Day are the same day as the Nazi Party's founding! --[[User:CWCAttack|CWCAttack]] 05:36, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
 
::*Damn, where's Clyde and Jack when you need them... ;) [[User:Griffintown|Griffintown]] 05:43, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
 
::**Finally, someone else who understands my pain! Cash appears to be too busy making video remixes while Jack...at least he kind of did something useful shortly after CWCipedia reopened. Needs more emails supporting Asperchu before he'll be able to tard rage about it in his latest video. Then I can call Jack's latest move to advertise Asperchu yet another awesome blow. --[[User:CWCAttack|CWCAttack]] 06:02, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
Just threw in something that struck me from his [[Alec Benson Leary Phone Call 9|phone call]] with [[Asperchu|Alec]]. I'm not sure they entirely fit, but I couldn't think where else to put it. If a better spot comes up or it's deemed unnecessary, feel free to move around/delete as needed. [[User:Borednewb|Borednewb]] 04:20, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
*I saw the text; nice little piece. The community will decide on a whole if this stays (just like any other Wiki) but I think the info you brought in got a proper place here. Nice work, please do more. [[User:Griffintown|Griffintown]] 04:31, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
 
== Update ==
 
I updated the page to include the release of the 100...something video. it was juts something quick and also the video is being planned for rename so i would be thankful if someone updated and corrected the entry.[[User:J0haely|J0haely]] 03:00, 10 May 2010 (UTC)`
 
== jesus christ narcissistic personality disorder ==
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder
 
    * An oversensitive temperament at birth
    * Overindulgence and overvaluation by parents
    * Valued by parents as a means to regulate their own self-esteem
    * Excessive admiration that is never balanced with realistic feedback
    * Unpredictable or unreliable caregiving from parents
    * Severe emotional abuse in childhood
    * Being praised for perceived exceptional looks or talents by adults
    * Excessive praise for good behaviors or excessive criticism for poor behaviors in childhood
 
how many of these apply to chris? hurrr [[User:Clydec|Clydec]] 20:15, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
* Well, if we believe his stories about the abusive babysitter and the Nathaniel Greene scream-recording incident, I'd say all of them are true (except the latter part of the last one, I doubt that Bob and Barb ever criticized Chris for anything when he was a kid) [[User:Banzai881|Banzai881]] 20:47, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
::I'm requesting someone to wikilink or whatever the fuck its called and put it up on the main page. [[User:Clydec|Clydec]] 04:57, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
::See below regarding the last one. --[[User:Sonichuis44|Sonichuis44]] 19:55, 14 September 2010 (PDT)
 
==Chris and toys?==
"This stems from childhood when Snorlax would take Chris to the toy store and encourage him to to talk by giving him toys if he could read them out loud." Sauce? This would really explain a lot. Also, how much fucking money do they have, geez --[[User:Sonichuis44|Sonichuis44]] 19:55, 14 September 2010 (PDT)
*You would be shocked, it's along the lines of living in a trailer park but owning a porsche. Chris gets $800 a month, subtract $500 for rent, add in Bob's pension and disablity check, Snorlax's disablity check and you get a tidy sum. [[User:CFA|CFA]] 15:16, 20 December 2010 (PST)CFA
 
==NPD==
I can't see Chris having NPD.
 
'''1.has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)'''
*First concession
 
'''2.is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love'''
*I don't think Chris exhibits this symptom. He wants love, but he isn't obsessed with fantasies of being omnipotent. He sits in his room and plays vidya, and he knows it. He's pretty normal for a virginal 30-year-old in this category as far as I can tell.
 
'''3. believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)'''
*This isn't true at all. He whored himself out online, regularly sat outdoors with an attraction sign, and chatted with underage women on Facebook. He's wanted to be published, but so do a lot of other people and they aren't necessarily NPD. He's desperate and begs for everything he gets.
 
'''4. requires excessive admiration'''
*No. He wants what he sees as a regular relationship. Yeah, it's skewed, but it's what he thinks everyone else gets anyway. That's more of an issue with his social maladjustment than anything else.
 
'''5. has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations'''
*This is true, but it's pretty well-documented that it has more to do with his parents than anything else, so I'd say this isn't about NPD.
 
'''6. is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends'''
*We have a couple isolated incidents of this, but in general he [[Honest Content|lays all his cards on the table.]] I wouldn't call him manipulative beyond that of the average human, but one might be led to believe it because we have the times he DOES try to manipulate people well-documented.
 
'''7. lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others'''
*Mkay
 
'''8. is often envious of others or believes others are envious of him or her'''
*I wouldn't necessarily agree with this either. He wants women, but other than that he doesn't seem to express envy. Furthermore, outside of Sonichu, he doesn't seem to believe others are envious of him. The Sonichu thing can be explained more easily by saying that Chris thinks he's sitting on a goldmine, and so boasts about it.
 
 
'''9. shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes'''
*Fine
 
So that's 3 symptoms I agree with, maybe 4 if you count #5, when a minimum of 5 is necessary for diagnosis. I honestly don't see why this section should stay, when it's just self-fulfilling prophesy. DSM-IV is a piece of shit anyway. [[User:Freecell|Freecell]] 17:42, 20 December 2010 (PST)
 
:I have to agree that NPD does not apply to him, as his PDD better explains his symptoms than any potential Axis II diagnosis [[User:Anonymous one|Anonymous one]] 14:57, 4 April 2011 (PDT)
 
:I have to disagree with you on several points. #8 is probably the easiest, what with the "Firstly, YOU WISH YOU WERE ME..." in the rejected Mailbag 10. For #4? His claim that he has over a billion fans seems kind of like excessive admiration. #6 can be shown with his interactions with Liquid Chris, where he tries to take advantage of the fact that he thought that there was someone else called Chris Chandler, who had a girlfriend, and he thought that he could take advantage of that. His failures at blackmail (and his success with his half brother) also seem rather exploitative. For #2, his idea of making a girlfriend into a "sweetheart from the ground-up" (Ground-up what, exactly?) seems like an attempt at ideal love, and his whole idea that he has real power in his curse attacks really seem like a delusional fantasy. As for #3, its a little harder, but it's still there. His treatment of other people with autism, especially those with more severe afflictions, seems to indicate that he believes that he is undoubtedly "special", and his readiness to accept the idea that president Bush would personally get involved with his petty conflict with a community college and that Miyamoto would contact him personally, seem like pretty clear indications that he believes that people who are special will quickly recognize him as also special. For #5, that seems like that could rather cause it to grow into large proportions, there's not necessarily anything saying that the two aren't linked.
 
:There's also the fact that he seems to have a sort of materialism that fits with NPD, something that people with Aspergers might seem to have. As several of my friends and I have Aspergers, I have noted that there are some pretty big differences there, that are extremely telling. His destruction of the PS3 is perhaps the most obvious example of this. His materialism seems to stem from simply wanting to have something. The item itself is often much less important than actually having it. However, people with Aspergers tend to get things that they mostly want, and also tend to collect things that they feel may have some use later on. It also comes with the fact that items tend to gain a very large amount of sentimental value over time, sometimes greatly exceeding the value of the item itself. If Chris' desire to hoard things was a result of Aspergers and not NPD, then I doubt he would have destroyed his PS3, $9001 offer or not. I really believe that Chris has ''both'' disorders, but the Narcissism is actually a larger factor than autism is. --[[User:CannedPeas|CannedPeas]] 15:58, 11 July 2011 (PDT)
 
== "Parody of a parody" ==
 
That seems more like something he picked up reading a review of something like ''Scary Movie'' which emphasises that making a joke movie about a movie that was already a joke is a really stupid idea since it's pointless to mock something that was never serious to start with. So he knows a parody of a parody is bad, and just applies it to his homebrew definition of parody. [[User:Ted Van Gruder|Ted Van Gruder]] 10:29, 17 January 2012 (PST)


==Merged Chris and Fame==
== Why is the page so zoomed out? ==
Parts of the entry of Chris and Fame was added as an opening for the text. Any comments? [[User:Griffintown|Griffintown]] 06:10, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
*Awesome job cleaning up and merging. I'm glad to see something's being done to relieve the bloat of "Chris and" pages. --[[User:SnorlaXBOX|SnorlaXBOX]] 06:22, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
:*Have to go in and get rid of the redundancy, since the contest and mom coddling are in both the mindset and origins--[[User:Blazer|Blazer]] 06:25, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
::*This is a point, I will look at that. [[User:Griffintown|Griffintown]] 06:27, 9 January 2010 (UTC)


==Organization==
I can't read it without zooming in. --[[User:Muchacho1994|Muchacho1994]] ([[User talk:Muchacho1994|talk]]) 05:59, 22 July 2017 (UTC)


Ego is vague.  This page should be renamed [[Chris and Egotism]], and organized around the aspects of
== Comic appearance charts ==


*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egotism Egotism]: the motivation to maintain and enhance favorable views of oneself. Egotism means placing oneself at the center of one's world with no direct concern for others.  [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissism Narcissism] is an aspect of Egotism.
I have (autistically) went through the comics (issues 0-13)and counted each appearance of Chris, Sonichu, and Rosechu and put in an excel doc, making a few charts. I felt like this data could go here but I'm not sure if it has a better place somewhere elseAny input?  --[[User:Finnegan|Finnegan]] ([[User talk:Finnegan|talk]]) 00:14, 17 May 2019 (UTC)


*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubris Hubris]: extreme haughtiness or arrogance. Hubris often indicates a loss of touch with reality and overestimating one's own competence or capabilities, especially for people in positions of power.


--[[User:Dude|Dude]] 03:20, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
Personally, I feel that long pages should not get longer. I would be interested in seeing this get its own page, including supplementary information. [[User:AReasonableMan|AReasonableMan]] ([[User talk:AReasonableMan|talk]]) 01:52, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
:*Sometimes, vagueness is good. In the "Chris And ..." series, a vague title (like Sex) allows for 3-5 subtitles easily. This being said, the "Hubris" part seems to be covered very well in the [[Chris and hypocrisy]] article. [[User:Griffintown|Griffintown]] 03:25, 11 January 2010 (UTC)


::*Yes and no.  I agree that ''Chris and...'' articles should have general names, but ''egotism'' is still a broad topic, and is more descriptive of the content of the article.  It's not a coincidence that it's the bolded word in the first sentence =)  ''Ego'' has other connotations; ''ego'' in general means ''sense of self'', and here we're only concerned with the narcissistic aspect.  We want to break out ''egotism'' (over-emphasis on self) as opposed to ''egoism'' (rational selfishness) which we don't really care about.  The hypocrite article is right on target but its target is different; ''Hubris'' is better illustrated by examples like Chris not getting the high school art award and his anger at losing the Parappa contest.  --[[User:Dude|Dude]] 03:52, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
== Capitalization ==
::*We very well could call this page "Chris and narcissism" since narcissim needn't be clinical in nature. Hubris is something that tends to be associated with extreme arrogance that leads to one's downfall - Icarrus's hubris, believing he was hot shit because he could fly and stuff, backfired when his wings melted as he got too close to the sun. There's an aspect of hubris with Chris but it's more narcicism.
:::Some articles are going to be long. There's nothing wrong with that, given the breadth of the topic. There's some bits that could be trimmed but an article of this breadth isn't going to be short. A separate article for cataloging Chris's narcicism would be unorthodox, and not in a good way. 
:::Remember, CWCki is about documenting Chris. It's important we document times when Chris does something really narcicistic (like insist his birthday should be a holiday, etc.) because that's our job. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 04:29, 12 January 2010 (UTC)


Minor nitpick but shouldn't the title be [[Chris and his ego]], without the capital E? All the other "Chris and" articles are lowercase, except for proper nouns like English and Spanish. Ego isn't a proper noun. Just for consistency. [[User:AAE|AAE]] ([[User talk:AAE|talk]]) 23:02, 26 July 2020 (UTC)


This article is way too long.  The meat-and-potatoes is (and has been) a decent length, but the lists are getting out of hand. They're practically a catalog of [[fail]], because everything Chris does has an ego component.  This article should be pared down to analysis, and leave cataloging for other places.  I propose two alternatives:
:Good point, moved the page. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 00:11, 29 July 2020 (UTC)


#Move the 'example' lists to a new separate page, similar to the list of things Chris fails at.
== Deletion of paranoia section ==
#Delete.  They're redundant, since the entire CWCki is a catalog of his egotism. 


You might say that means delete [[fail]], too, but "List of failures" isn't really encyclopedic; it's there for comedic effect. '''Christian Love Day''' is a good match for a section on this article, but a lot of the other stuff is just making it overwhelmingly long.  Thoughts? --[[User:Dude|Dude]] 04:17, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
Pretty much the entire Paranoia section should probably be deleted (maybe the paragraph about the BK employee can be moved to [[Hypocrisy]]). The section in general's either outdated (Chris hasn't shown it for years) or leaves out context (it omits the role the Miscreants trolls had in shaping his paranoia). Would anyone object to the deletion? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 06:24, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 01:24, 20 February 2022

Archive 1

Archive 2

What the fuck?

Why is there pictures of an old man holding his hairy ass open all over the page? Just WTF?! --Callitcwc 23:13, 16 September 2012 (PTC)

Archived

With the massive rewrite of this article complete, old news has been archived. Keep up the good work adding details and improving our shiny new article! --Dude 23:11, 23 January 2010 (UTC)


Just threw in something that struck me from his phone call with Alec. I'm not sure they entirely fit, but I couldn't think where else to put it. If a better spot comes up or it's deemed unnecessary, feel free to move around/delete as needed. Borednewb 04:20, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

  • I saw the text; nice little piece. The community will decide on a whole if this stays (just like any other Wiki) but I think the info you brought in got a proper place here. Nice work, please do more. Griffintown 04:31, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Update

I updated the page to include the release of the 100...something video. it was juts something quick and also the video is being planned for rename so i would be thankful if someone updated and corrected the entry.J0haely 03:00, 10 May 2010 (UTC)`

jesus christ narcissistic personality disorder

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder

   * An oversensitive temperament at birth
   * Overindulgence and overvaluation by parents
   * Valued by parents as a means to regulate their own self-esteem
   * Excessive admiration that is never balanced with realistic feedback
   * Unpredictable or unreliable caregiving from parents
   * Severe emotional abuse in childhood
   * Being praised for perceived exceptional looks or talents by adults
   * Excessive praise for good behaviors or excessive criticism for poor behaviors in childhood

how many of these apply to chris? hurrr Clydec 20:15, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

  • Well, if we believe his stories about the abusive babysitter and the Nathaniel Greene scream-recording incident, I'd say all of them are true (except the latter part of the last one, I doubt that Bob and Barb ever criticized Chris for anything when he was a kid) Banzai881 20:47, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
I'm requesting someone to wikilink or whatever the fuck its called and put it up on the main page. Clydec 04:57, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
See below regarding the last one. --Sonichuis44 19:55, 14 September 2010 (PDT)

Chris and toys?

"This stems from childhood when Snorlax would take Chris to the toy store and encourage him to to talk by giving him toys if he could read them out loud." Sauce? This would really explain a lot. Also, how much fucking money do they have, geez --Sonichuis44 19:55, 14 September 2010 (PDT)

  • You would be shocked, it's along the lines of living in a trailer park but owning a porsche. Chris gets $800 a month, subtract $500 for rent, add in Bob's pension and disablity check, Snorlax's disablity check and you get a tidy sum. CFA 15:16, 20 December 2010 (PST)CFA

NPD

I can't see Chris having NPD.

1.has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)

  • First concession

2.is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love

  • I don't think Chris exhibits this symptom. He wants love, but he isn't obsessed with fantasies of being omnipotent. He sits in his room and plays vidya, and he knows it. He's pretty normal for a virginal 30-year-old in this category as far as I can tell.

3. believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)

  • This isn't true at all. He whored himself out online, regularly sat outdoors with an attraction sign, and chatted with underage women on Facebook. He's wanted to be published, but so do a lot of other people and they aren't necessarily NPD. He's desperate and begs for everything he gets.

4. requires excessive admiration

  • No. He wants what he sees as a regular relationship. Yeah, it's skewed, but it's what he thinks everyone else gets anyway. That's more of an issue with his social maladjustment than anything else.

5. has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations

  • This is true, but it's pretty well-documented that it has more to do with his parents than anything else, so I'd say this isn't about NPD.

6. is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends

  • We have a couple isolated incidents of this, but in general he lays all his cards on the table. I wouldn't call him manipulative beyond that of the average human, but one might be led to believe it because we have the times he DOES try to manipulate people well-documented.

7. lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others

  • Mkay

8. is often envious of others or believes others are envious of him or her

  • I wouldn't necessarily agree with this either. He wants women, but other than that he doesn't seem to express envy. Furthermore, outside of Sonichu, he doesn't seem to believe others are envious of him. The Sonichu thing can be explained more easily by saying that Chris thinks he's sitting on a goldmine, and so boasts about it.


9. shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes

  • Fine

So that's 3 symptoms I agree with, maybe 4 if you count #5, when a minimum of 5 is necessary for diagnosis. I honestly don't see why this section should stay, when it's just self-fulfilling prophesy. DSM-IV is a piece of shit anyway. Freecell 17:42, 20 December 2010 (PST)

I have to agree that NPD does not apply to him, as his PDD better explains his symptoms than any potential Axis II diagnosis Anonymous one 14:57, 4 April 2011 (PDT)
I have to disagree with you on several points. #8 is probably the easiest, what with the "Firstly, YOU WISH YOU WERE ME..." in the rejected Mailbag 10. For #4? His claim that he has over a billion fans seems kind of like excessive admiration. #6 can be shown with his interactions with Liquid Chris, where he tries to take advantage of the fact that he thought that there was someone else called Chris Chandler, who had a girlfriend, and he thought that he could take advantage of that. His failures at blackmail (and his success with his half brother) also seem rather exploitative. For #2, his idea of making a girlfriend into a "sweetheart from the ground-up" (Ground-up what, exactly?) seems like an attempt at ideal love, and his whole idea that he has real power in his curse attacks really seem like a delusional fantasy. As for #3, its a little harder, but it's still there. His treatment of other people with autism, especially those with more severe afflictions, seems to indicate that he believes that he is undoubtedly "special", and his readiness to accept the idea that president Bush would personally get involved with his petty conflict with a community college and that Miyamoto would contact him personally, seem like pretty clear indications that he believes that people who are special will quickly recognize him as also special. For #5, that seems like that could rather cause it to grow into large proportions, there's not necessarily anything saying that the two aren't linked.
There's also the fact that he seems to have a sort of materialism that fits with NPD, something that people with Aspergers might seem to have. As several of my friends and I have Aspergers, I have noted that there are some pretty big differences there, that are extremely telling. His destruction of the PS3 is perhaps the most obvious example of this. His materialism seems to stem from simply wanting to have something. The item itself is often much less important than actually having it. However, people with Aspergers tend to get things that they mostly want, and also tend to collect things that they feel may have some use later on. It also comes with the fact that items tend to gain a very large amount of sentimental value over time, sometimes greatly exceeding the value of the item itself. If Chris' desire to hoard things was a result of Aspergers and not NPD, then I doubt he would have destroyed his PS3, $9001 offer or not. I really believe that Chris has both disorders, but the Narcissism is actually a larger factor than autism is. --CannedPeas 15:58, 11 July 2011 (PDT)

"Parody of a parody"

That seems more like something he picked up reading a review of something like Scary Movie which emphasises that making a joke movie about a movie that was already a joke is a really stupid idea since it's pointless to mock something that was never serious to start with. So he knows a parody of a parody is bad, and just applies it to his homebrew definition of parody. Ted Van Gruder 10:29, 17 January 2012 (PST)

Why is the page so zoomed out?

I can't read it without zooming in. --Muchacho1994 (talk) 05:59, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

Comic appearance charts

I have (autistically) went through the comics (issues 0-13)and counted each appearance of Chris, Sonichu, and Rosechu and put in an excel doc, making a few charts. I felt like this data could go here but I'm not sure if it has a better place somewhere else. Any input? --Finnegan (talk) 00:14, 17 May 2019 (UTC)


Personally, I feel that long pages should not get longer. I would be interested in seeing this get its own page, including supplementary information. AReasonableMan (talk) 01:52, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Capitalization

Minor nitpick but shouldn't the title be Chris and his ego, without the capital E? All the other "Chris and" articles are lowercase, except for proper nouns like English and Spanish. Ego isn't a proper noun. Just for consistency. AAE (talk) 23:02, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

Good point, moved the page. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 00:11, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

Deletion of paranoia section

Pretty much the entire Paranoia section should probably be deleted (maybe the paragraph about the BK employee can be moved to Hypocrisy). The section in general's either outdated (Chris hasn't shown it for years) or leaves out context (it omits the role the Miscreants trolls had in shaping his paranoia). Would anyone object to the deletion? Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 06:24, 20 February 2022 (UTC)