Talk:Chris and race

Good work, Tyranogre! I'll try to contribute to the page, soon, too --GokuGetEm 08:53, 31 December 2009 (CET)

Nice start. Easily can be added on to and everything. Just a thought, though: should we include others he's shown hate towards? Y'know, like the homos and anyone with asperger's/low-function autism/"anything that tries to take Chris's spotlight"? --Blazer 08:55, 31 December 2009 (CET)

• If we do that, we might as well call this page "Chris and discrimination" or "Chris and tolerance" or something. Personally I'd like to have a quick list of all the groups he's offensive to in one place. SnorlaXBOX 08:59, 31 December 2009 (CET)
  • Actually, I'm surprised we haven't done just that! Chris hasn't shown discrimination towards just one group, he's shown it to everyone everywhere! I don't think we should delete this, just rename it into "Chris and discrimination", like you said!--Blazer 09:05, 31 December 2009 (CET)
    • Sure, let's rename it. Of course, first we need to convince Champ to remove the deletion tag... Tyranogre 09:07, 31 December 2009 (CET)

Why I'm nominating it for deletion

I can see some potential here but not much. Chris's dislike of blacks is just something trolls like to exaggerate - at best, Chris seems really uncomfortable around black people in the same way an upper class person would lock the car doors while going through the black neighborhood. It's not really racist, per say, that Chris doesn't like black chicks but I think the problem is that 1) he's not really in the position to be fussy about women, given who he is and 2) he's made it seem like that he would rather keep being a virgin than do a black girl (perhaps this question could be posed in the mailbag or the Common Questions). But he's not an outright racist. It's fun to suggest this to Chris because it irritates him, but really it's misleading to suggest he's some sort of closet KKK member. Bob on the other hand actually made a comment about Megan being a "dirty German girl" which is really old school racism but alas, we'll never have that call publicly.

Other races? You can really summarize it in one sentence - Chris's views of race come from TV and popular culture in general. Jews eat bagels and whine a lot, Asians are really good at math and karate, Native Americans do rain dances and say "How!", etc.

This article is trying to insinuate something about Chris that really isn't. I know we do this a lot but with race, it's really pushing it for its own article. --Champthom 09:09, 31 December 2009 (CET)

• Given his reaction toward black kids at Game Place, I'd definitely call him racist. --DirtyCrappedBriefs 09:18, 31 December 2009 (CET)
• Okay, that's true. Though, as myself and a couple of others was saying above, I think this article should PROBABLY be retitled something like "Chris and discrimination" or "Chris and intolerance." and expanded on greatly. It's easy to see that Chris has shown hatred or dislike in a number of groups, not just blacks. And the sheer fact that Chris doesn't bother actually looking up stuff and, as you said, Chris just uses what he sees on TV and thinks that's how they actually act shows that he has no care for them and/or that he dislikes them because they go against what he is. --Blazer 09:25, 31 December 2009 (CET)
• Your points are valid. However, I think, this all may be fixed by renaming the page to "Chris and discrimination" or "Chris and tolerance" or "Chris and stereotypes". I agree that this article should encompass groups like Homos, Aspergers, Muslims, etc. And I agree that its main point should be moved from implying Chris's racism to just giving a quick overview of Chris's attitude towards various groups. So, my vote is: find a good new name, rename the article, and expand it to other groups. --GokuGetEm 09:40, 31 December 2009 (CET)
• How about we rename this article "Chris and Minorities"? It can also be used for his views of others such as the Disabled. But I agree with you that he is not a Stormfront type of racist, he's more of a xenophobe. --AntonImausMk2 00:30, 2 January 2010 (CET)
  • I like this idea. There is much that can be said about Chris and minorities, but while Chris is racist, there's not enough material to write about to justify its own article. --James Lamp-Eye 03:12, 2 January 2010 (CET)
• Chris said he "hates the Chinese" in BlueSpike_PSN_Chat_3.5 and does an insensitive impression of all Asians. In Mumble 4 he does an impression of all black people, saying that they sound like Rastafarians. I'm going to say that yes, he is racist, but not extremely racist. There probably isn't enough of it to make a good page out of, tho. --Anaconda 01:51, 2 January 2010 (CET)

Deletion Notice (On Hold)

I am putting this page on my "To-Watch" file. I will delete it in a week if it doesn't improve. Griffintown 04:44, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

• Let's salvage anything usable (if there is anything) and add it to the Niggos article, then just leave this as a redirect. I don't think we're going to get enough material to make this worthwhile as a standalone page. --SnorlaXBOX 04:53, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
• I would rather move the Niggos article in to this one, and then have smaller subsections for other races. I agree that a lot of this article is exaggerated rubbish, but there's no denying that Chris is extraordinary awkward in his dealings with other cultures. We should cover his interactions with them, but in a more objective way. I would rather see a merge than a deletion. --Megaman 05:02, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

• But is there really a lot we can say aside from "Chris's views of race come from popular culture"? As I said, Chris more or less absorbs what he sees from TV - thus Jews whine and eat bagels, Asians have buck teeth and say things like "Me so sowwy!," Indians no matter the tribe say "How!" and say things like "Smokum peace pipe!", etc. But does this really need its own article? The niggos article mostly serves as explaining the racism against African Americans, which does require some explaining since it comes up frequently. But I agree, we should salvage what we can if we can't make this into a full fledged article and incorporate it into the Niggos one.--Champthom 17:35, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

• • Also, since when are you a moderator Griffintown? --Megaman 05:03, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
    • Since Champthom gave me the job. Here's the announcement. I read many people talking about what to do with pages while doing nothing. I strongly believe in deadlines to keep things going. Right now, this page sucks. Expanding the Niggo page would be a nice answer, adding new material for this page is also good. Let's find answers. Griffintown 15:56, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
      • Well Congratulation's on the promotion. --Megaman 19:36, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
• I've begun moving some of the content from this page onto subsection "Chris and stereotypes" on the Niggos page, which should probably be retitled now. --SnorlaXBOX 18:51, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
  • While that's a good move, I'd rather see this page have the content of "niggos". I've always felt bad about having an entire page dedicated to a racist slur, even a slurred racist slur. Niggos could be mentioned as a minor cwcism, but it doesn't need it's own page. I guess what I'm trying to say is that "Chris and Racism" is a more scholarly sounding title to deal with Chris' interactions with other races than say "niggos". I'm going to try to save this article in favor or turning niggos into a cwcism stub. --Megaman 19:36, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
• Alright, I've overhauled the article, feel free to tweak it or even revert it. However, do keep the changes I've made to the Native American section. It wasn't up to date. --Megaman 20:53, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

• I think that was a good move. Niggos can be made a lot more succinct; it should probably stick to the reasons, events, and consequences around the time Chris came up with the word, as well as blacks in Sonichu (comic). This page is much better for mulling about stereotypes in general. --Umad 23:52, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
• Excellent initiative. I love the way the entry looks like for now. I am putting the Deletion Notice on hold. I want to see how awesome this page can get. Griffintown 03:59, 10 January 2010 (UTC)