Talk:Tomgirl Pictures

In case anyone's wondering, the images are called "TG#" because TomGirl. Freecell (t/c) 19:09, 28 April 2011 (PDT)

• MY EYES! CAN NOT UNSEE! CFA 19:13, 28 April 2011 (PDT)CFA

Is there ANY backstory to this?!? What I don't understand is that he 1) went into PUBLIC wearing this stuff (there's a picture of him at his mall) and 2) It looks like he shaved his underarms in one or two pictures...WHY?! Dear God why?! --4Macie 19:26, 28 April 2011 (PDT)

• Pretty sure he always shaved his underarms. I don't know why I know that. --Kwippleton 19:38, 28 April 2011 (PDT)

I guess you don't understand hygiene, 4Macie. That's besides esthetics. --Sonijew is back 06:02, 29 April 2011 (PDT)

• Yes but A. This is Chris, hygiene is a foreign word to him and B. Its aesthetics. CFA 20:35, 29 April 2011 (PDT)CFA

The article could use some clarification as to what the hell is going on here. There's gotta be some sort of story behind this. What's the deal? This is some of Chris's weirdest antics yet. Just when you think the lulcow ran dry... Abyssal 19:42, 28 April 2011 (PDT)

Note that both ears are pierced, not just the gay ear (see: cucumbers on eyes pic). Also, that's his real hair and the images aren't censored; he's wearing a g-string. Freecell (t/c) 19:54, 28 April 2011 (PDT)

Are they really pierced or are they those clip on/magnet ones?? Is there anyway we can tell?? --4Macie 20:04, 28 April 2011 (PDT)

They're real. Trust me. If they were clip ons, there would be more of an indent. I'm also pretty sure that clip ons are bigger. The ones I had as a kid certainly were, and I was pretty into those things. PedoforkBait 20:08, 28 April 2011 (PDT)

That would make sense...I bet the ring/hoop ones are fake though, there's no hole for them in other pictures (unless he got them later). And why are they so oddly placed?? They aren't on the lobe like they should be...unless they've changed where they put them now (I got mine when I was 7). Or...could he have done them himself??? --4Macie 20:13, 28 April 2011 (PDT)

They are real. Also, I'm not aware of any way to have a stud clip-on. Freecell (t/c) 20:35, 28 April 2011 (PDT)

• At this point, he's gotta be fucking with us. He wants to gross us out, so we don't bother him. --TheIronFjord 20:05, 28 April 2011 (PDT)

You think he pierced his ears to get us to leave him alone? PeachyKeen 20:20, 28 April 2011 (PDT)

He's using a real camara to take his picture in some of these, that's unusual. I wonder what the poor guy who had to develop them was thinking. O_o Lunachu 20:31, 28 April 2011 (PDT)

This is probably a long shot, however I really think he did this for a girl. Most likely a girl who liked to dress up as a guy and wanted Chris to do the same. Or it's a really, really good troll. Either way, whoever made him do this is really good at what they do, because these pictures are FUCKING DISGUSTING. Mikau 20:54, 28 April 2011 (PDT)

"...when the government fears the people, there is liberty". I'm sure this new heartsweet has her Guy Fawkes mask ready. --wwwwolf (wake me when you need me) 02:24, 29 April 2011 (PDT)

• Let me tell you something, and like I said, this really isn't really the place to say it. But nonetheless, whenever I try to rationalize what Chris does, I usually get disappointed because the simple fact of the matter is - Chris is just fucked up.--Champthom 05:24, 29 April 2011 (PDT)

The saddest thing about all this is that this didn't even suprise me in the slightest, I wasn't even mildly shocked to see Chris in drag, or even with a sock on his flacid manhood. --Gustofwind 21:31, 28 April 2011 (PDT)

many are saying it isn't a sock...it's a g-string. You can't see the strings holding it up because of his gut roll over but when he does the picture of his butt, you can see the black thong part in the crack.....if you REALLY want to look that is. --4Macie 21:35, 28 April 2011 (PDT)

Goddaemnd monkey-assed hell. Well, what do we do with this page? Start describing shit? In fuckin' detail?! It could stand as is, like the CWCki's own personal 'shock page'...--Xavier orona 22:00, 28 April 2011 (PDT)

INFO, somebody has it. Where are the pictures from? Did he upload them somewhere? Or is it old stuff made public by trolls? --Cuprite 22:05, 28 April 2011 (PDT)

It's all recent and Clyde got it by hacking Chris' PSN. Freecell (t/c) 22:09, 28 April 2011 (PDT)

Excellent, this, coupled with the PSN being down, is probably the best chance we'll get at him returning. --Cuprite 22:13, 28 April 2011 (PDT)

PSN has been offline for a week all because of these photos, spread the word Acousticvirgin 22:15, 28 April 2011 (PDT)

In the meantime, someone try to find an appropreate picture of King Hippo from the Captain N cartoon; he also crossdresses, and he's also a fat, useless, discolored retard.--Xavier orona 22:17, 28 April 2011 (PDT)

In some of these, he looks uncannily like a fat version of Buffalo Bill. Vulture-chan 22:30, 28 April 2011 (PDT)

I was about to ask if the PSN take down made him go further down the crazy hole o_o Raku 23:30, 28 April 2011 (PDT)

Chris has been at this a while, and you can tell because growing out hair takes a while. The PSN going down was coincidence. Freecell (t/c) 00:49, 29 April 2011 (PDT)

I also love the claims that he is "straight". Yeah, Chris is as "straight" as a circle >_> Raku 23:34, 28 April 2011 (PDT)

Circle? Try "ampersand." --Xavier orona 00:25, 29 April 2011 (PDT)

here's something everybody should think about: chris is wearing his mom's clothes. i mean surely he didn't pay for any of this shit when there are MOUNTAINS of free clothes blocking up whole rooms of his house. Acousticvirgin 00:36, 29 April 2011 (PDT)

Already wore his mum's underwear that one time. Wouldn't be a new thing for him. BlueYonder 01:19, 29 April 2011 (PDT)

I wonder if Bob has caught this yet. Westbound 05:08, 29 April 2011 (PDT)

• Guys, please, remember - this page is not a forum. Srsly, I told you fuckers that that ModNation Racer character wasn't Crystal.--Champthom 05:22, 29 April 2011 (PDT)

Anyone with some solid info about this? Do this is a new saga? Who asked him to dress that way? Do we got any metadata linked to the picture so we can have time/date info? This is the best update for months and we got so little info on it. Griffintown 06:00, 29 April 2011 (PDT)

• I can talk to Tito about getting the raw images so we can get some metadata behind these.--Champthom 05:24, 30 April 2011 (PDT)
• Could he be trying to be Crystal the Imaginary Twin sister? He tends to stick to the stripey clothing and jeans, which is pretty much what she wore PoppyPink 00:24, 30 April 2011 (GMT)

• This is pure speculation, but do you think it's Mic, the one girl he talked about in the Autism Tutorial?--TheIronFjord 07:32, 29 April 2011 (PDT)

The updates are few an far between, but when they come, they are fascinating. I especially like how the Sailor Moon poster is in some of the the pics. Farm Zombie 17:45, 29 April 2011 (PDT)

This is going to kill Bob. Chris has evolved into a Snorlax. Baxter 04:01, 30 April 2011 (PDT)

Well, there goes the theory of "Chris actually got his shit together and has begun leading a semi-normal life". GrotchManchowder 23:02, 1 May 2011 (EST)

Disturbing revelation

• This pic raises several disturbing things. First off, If you look in the background, you see the journey's sign. Why does this matter you ask?

Fashion Square Mall Directory Journey's in the section labeled G on the map. Right near exact center of the mall, meaning he walked around like that near small children. It also explains where he might have picked up everything, for the women's Belk is right around the corner. The disturbing part is he walked around the mall a hop skip and a jump from where I work! And before you ask, no I didn't see him drag. Side note, he is wearing his ring again, see this pic. Also, there is a piercing pagoda in the mall. In summation, he got pierced, did up and bought his tranny clothes all in the mall most likely. CFA 20:32, 29 April 2011 (PDT)CFA

Is this sign somewhere in the mall? Is this part of some sort of cross-dressing awareness event, and is Chris just taking part? Turnabout 22:32, 29 April 2011 (PDT)

• • It looks like the chalkboard Chris drew on in Chris's Big Night Out II, which is in Charlottesville. That doesn't look like Chris's handwriting, so I think it's safe to assume he has a new, masculine gal-pal. Baxter 10:25, 30 April 2011 (PDT)
• That chalkboard is the free speech wall on the downtown mall. You know where he did the sonichu dash vid? Same location. It's at the end down near the post office and right near a merry go round. CFA 17:20, 2 May 2011 (PDT)CFA

Info?

Is there ANY background to this? Like: where did he get the term "TomGirl" and why does he think it means to dress up like a girl? (aka: this is cross-dressing...not being a "TomGirl") I guess it was said that this was hacked off his PS3 (PSN)..but WHY was it there in the first place?? He obviously took them for someone...he wouldn't have taken pictures of himself in drag if it was solely for his own viewing...would he??? I guess.. TL;DR: Is there any information about this??? Someone has to know something! --4Macie 20:45, 29 April 2011 (PDT)

• Well Wikipedia Explains a tomgirl is a reverse tomboy, a guy who acts girly, a femboi in essence is a tomgirl. CFA 21:06, 29 April 2011 (PDT)CFA

Hmmm...well that's a start. Though I think Chris took this one a little too far for it to still be "TomGirl"ish... Now we just need the WHY I guess. --4Macie 21:11, 29 April 2011 (PDT)

For the love of fuck just shut up and wait for the inevitable infodump that will explain everything.--MoarLurk 21:28, 29 April 2011 (PDT)

• True, though pretty much what's going on has already been explained by Tito here. --Champthom 05:19, 30 April 2011 (PDT)

• Sweet merciful Jesus, he..he finally snapped, or he finally accepted it, just...wow. Theiselybros 21:32, 30 April 2011 (PDT)

Preexisting gender determination issues

There is so fucking much up with this guy I don't even know where to start, but cross-dressing is the tip of the fucking iceberg here. CWC genuinely has no masculine features except his receding hairline, and his fat distribution and build are very effeminate. (Not feminine - he looks androgynous leaning away from male.) The club-dick might be the result of hypospadias (extra dick hole for a partially to fully separate urethra, as in women) corrected by some inept hillbilly doctor, which is an indicator for a variety of sex-determination issues. Kleinfelter's (XXY sex chromosomes) is coincident with it and a variety of mental conditions, including ASD, although he'd be outside of the normal range of intelligence for the syndrome.

The thing here is to compare Chris to relatively masculine fatasses. Moobs that size on masculine men are usually accompanied by a pretty big stomach, and while CWC's breasts are obviously almost 100% the result of fat distribution, a massive amount of his excess fat is in typically female areas, i.e. hips, thighs, ass, etc.

The other side of the coin is that CWC has a lot of the features of abandoned or half-hearted male feminization - box tits with flat, weird nipples; an extremely protruberant but generally formless ass; the general fat and body pattern of a long post-menopause woman. In short, these people look like the Snorlax (as CWC has begun to) because, like her, the last major influence on their secondary sexual features is still high estrogen levels that are no longer significant enough to have a major effect. Other relevant features of male-to-female transition, either medically or anecdotally ubiquitous, are the softening of body hair, the mild regrowth of scalp hair, emotional upheaval, sexual dysfunction, and massive mood swings. The last three of those are also attributable to testosterone therapy in patients with previously low testosterone levels.

I'm not saying I'm sure there's some kind of congenital or external source of hormone problems for sure, but it seems pretty likely to me that either he was on testosterone for a brief period in response to an indifferent puberty from some sexual condition (possibly explaining his sudden and totally incomplete sexual awakening at 16) or he was, at some point between then and now, medicated with anti-androgens or even some kind of low-level female hormone regimen, either clinically or domestically. (There are reasons that were then and are partially now considered medically reasonable for doing that - chemical castration, for one, for instance when a poorly-managed autistic teenager develops a raging and violently-ideated libido - but God only knows why things happen under that fucking roof.)

TL,DR: Chris might have girl parts and either his parents fucked with his endocrine system at a young age or things with his new boyfriend-free heartsweet are going to get weirder before they make perfect sense. I've been suspicious of this since his first nudes went up, and this is just icing on the cake. And if you guys think he's a lulcow while he's trying to be a man...

nah he's just a dumb fatty -Acousticvirgin 02:41, 1 May 2011 (PDT)

I have to agree with Acousticvirgin on this. While your theory is quite interesting...most of this can be explain just by looking at Chris and his family. Chris's family had him at a really old age. His mom was almost in menopause and his father was already a senior citizen. The father at such an old age could be a factor in Autism (it's a scientific theory) and his mother having him so close to menopause could be the reason for any hormonal imbalance (it's a scientific fact that when women are older when a child is born that hormonal imbalances can occur, ESPECIALLY if that older woman doesn't take the prenatal vitamins...). The fat distribution of Chris can be explain by either the hormonal imbalance or by the fact that he doesn't really move all the much, much less work out (or both combined). If you look at pictures of him in his HighSchool years he's a LOT thinner...most likely due to a high metabolism since he didn't work out and wasn't in sports. With his age he's either lost that metabolism or he's out-eating it, either is a possibility. The fact that he doesn't work out at all and doesn't really move around all that much means that there's going to be limited muscles there and much more fat. His arms are skinny because men usually don't get a whole bunch of fat there; his legs are kinda chunky, but men get that too. His butt, gut, and thighs are fat simply because that's where the fat goes. Now, the manboobs. Some men get moobs whether or not they have some gender issue...Chris on the other hand has a set that is way too big to be normal. This could be because of the hormonal imbalance from birth, OR because he doesn't work that muscle out at all. Most men do some form of exercise for that muscle whether or not they go to the gym. They lift things, they carry things, or just daily movement will work out the pectorals for men. The fact that this particular muscle gets NO exercise or movement from Chris could mean that the pectorals are much more fat than muscle. His sexual inexperience until 16 can be explained by parenting and by his autism. His parents never had any reason to discuss his puberty with him so he never really understood sex or masturbation until he saw it in a movie, and now that he does, he still only does it 1 or 2 times a week...quite abnormal for a boy/man from puberty to about 40 years old (age after puberty varies of course). Some autistics are asexual and never have sex throughout their lives because they don't understand sex nor do they really understand/want any kind of romantic relationship. The fact that Chris wants one so badly means nothing; he's shown that he doesn't really understand relationships and treats them like a 8 year old would. ===> TL,DR: Chris's parents had him at too old an age, that along with the fact that he's overweight and doesn't work out at all has made him who he is today... and more likely than not...it'll only get worse. (These pictures show an increased weight since the last time we've seen him; especially in the face and chest.) And Chris wants sex just because he doesn't want the title VIRGIN, he really has no sex drive.--4Macie 08:17, 1 May 2011 (PDT)

Now, we have to remember that Chris is very simple. When he had to choose between his console and his galpal, and he chose the galpal, he demanded to have the consol as well, because he did the right thing. Just like in the movies. Chris doesn't necessarily understand love or attraction, he merely knows that relationship is a good thing, and it should be desired. In his simple mind, a relationship with a woman means perfect, neverending happiness that will fix all his problems. Vergilius 13:08, 1 May 2011 (PDT)

• I'm inclined to agree with Acousticvirgin here as well. I think a more plausible explanation though, is that due to DA AUTISM, Chris doesn't understand gender as a construct very well and so goes crazy with it. Or Chris could just be stupid. --Champthom 04:55, 2 May 2011 (PDT)

Interesting theory, but I disagree with it. Klinefelter's patients tend to have unnatural looking body proportions (extremely long limbs, wide hips, short torsos), and have normal levels of intelligence (remember, Chris was on the Honor Roll). I don't think his bizarre fat deposits are caused by any meiotic disorder like Klinefelter's, but rather terrible diet fucking with his body, raising his estrogen levels, and causing him to develop gynecomastia. Once that happens, it causes him to have female-like fat deposits. GrotchManchowder 23:01, 1 May 2011 (EST)

• My two cents, for what it's worth. The moobs appear to be Gynecomastia In short, estrogen made him grow boobs. Estrogen would also explain why his voice is in the annoyingly high pitched range. As for Klienfelter's Syndrome, the man child does in fact track rather well. Compare to this Pic of man with Klienfilter's syndrome. Thing is,Autism is comorbid, so odds are it isn't just autism. In summation, odds are Chris has da autism and some kind of glandular disorder. CFA 17:43, 2 May 2011 (PDT)CFA

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Oh, and here I thought that point had already been shot down half a dozen other times and people’d actually read other bad theories before posting theirs. There's absolutely no sense to this theory, or for that matter anything remotely empiric behind it, but plenty plain to sight that shows it's impossible: Only people who don’t understand how gene expression and hormones work could think it makes sense. I don’t know where to start, there’s so much nonsence in that theory I might as well start picking it out.

> fat distribution and build are very effeminate...

What? Really, and here I thought comparing photos with a baseline would be easy, even for e-doctors. There’s hardly anything about that fat distribution that’s female. The fat went almost exclusively to his abdomen when he was just overweight, that’s the type of adipose distribution you get with testosterone. What’s more, the manboobs are dead common in obese men, you’re not just going to get the visceral FA5 type gut fat, but also tit fat, so by your standards fatguy here’s a dickgirl. The fact that excess estrogens and mostly androgens(which worsen that acne) wind up being made by all that extra fat isn’t intersex.

>he looks androgynous leaning away from male.

And just how? A prominent gablela/brow isn’t gender neutral, neither is his square morphing into a pear face shape, he certainly has no problem in growing facial hair as these last photos show, his jawline isn’t slender even if the fat makes it hard to make out, that nose is kind of big & like the other features testosterone promotes their growth. Oh and his hairline is quite high around the temples and frontal, another manly trait. His face isn’t androgynous or gender neutral at all.

>The club-dick might be the result of hypospadias (extra dick hole for a partially to fully separate urethra, as in women) corrected by some inept hillbilly doctor, which is an indicator for a variety of sex-determination issues. Kleinfelter's (XXY sex chromosomes) is coincident with it and a variety of mental conditions, including ASD, although he'd be outside of the normal range of intelligence for the syndrome.

It’s all wrong. If it actually were a urogenital intersex condition it’d have almost certainly been handled in a hospital by specialists, given how surgery is screened to more qualified MD, the chance of a inept hick doctor is nil. Never mind the fact that his dick doesn’t look like what you normally get from the infant sex assignment, and that his body certainly doesn’t match the phenotype you’d get with 5ARD Kleifeters or PAIS. The whole bit about his hairline ,acne and facial structure being too androgenized and all.

Probably the most important thing about it all is that Autism is not something that correlates with estrogen. Testosterone has a demonstrated casual role in altering the expressions of genes to induce it, where as estrogen prevents it. Also Cohen’s research indicates that there is a very strong correlation for biomarkers indicating increased testosterone exposure/sensitivity and autism. So no, the idea of Chris being Estrogen dominant and ASD is nonsence. I could keep going on point by point on everything that’s wrong with this theory, but I think the point’s certainly been made. This theory keeps coming from people who just don't get how it works, so an overkill was in need.-Kei 20:14, 2 May 2011 (PDT)

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• The prominent nipples are a dead giveaway to gyncomastia. CFA 20:21, 2 May 2011 (PDT)CFA

Have you ever looked at a fat man? Their nipples are enlarged, it's something that's induced by the adipose building up there, that's pseudogyncomastia. Unless if he's been sneaking his mother's premarin there isn't going to be much in the way of nodules there. It's possible that the adipose leads to more hormones and aromatase makes some of them into estrogen, but that's a common enough thing in the obese. It's an analogue to that why they also have higher DHT levels.-Kei 20:25, 2 May 2011 (PDT)

Which leads back to the crux of the question, is his moobs due to him being a fatass or him being a fatass makes him have moobs? Either way, he clearly has hormone issues. CFA 13:28, 3 May 2011 (PDT)CFA

• cool theory doc but have you considered that he is a fat dummy who is fat and dumb and smells like dumb fat -Dr.Acousticvirgin 20:56, 2 May 2011 (PDT)

Congratulations

Congratulations Chris (Or should I say Christina) You have finally come to terms with your sexuality and gender issues. The road ahead may still be windy but at least now you can be happy its the right track. I've never seen you so happy and content and this all of your doing. no manipulation here.

You might find love now that you have found yourself.

Go forth my Child. --Bentduck 19:02, 1 May 2011 (PDT)

Seriously guys

Next person who posts something not related to improving this page gets (temporarily) banned. This is not a forum. --Champthom 04:53, 2 May 2011 (PDT)

• Well, don't know if it should be added to the picture captions but on the pictures A and B They are taken on the downtown mall. Pictures C and D were taken in the Fashion Square mall, where the piercing pagoda is. And Finally, Picture C he is wearing his high school ring it but can't really tell. Unsure if linking to the downtown mall and the fashion square mall would be uneeded piping. CFA 17:50, 2 May 2011 (PDT)CFA
• It might be worthwhile to note the bizarre horizontal flipping of some images. Smokedaddy 01:01, 3 May 2011 (PDT)

Contactin' C for article material

Mmkay, well, do we still have Chris's email address? Can we still reach him on online chats or whatever? Is there no way someone can get hold of him and gently interrogate him about HOLY CRAP CHRIS WHAT THE FUCK and add some substance and reasoning to the insanity displayed on this page? I'm sure he won't mind the attention. I'd volunteer, but, uh, Chris fucking scares me. BlueYonder 12:22, 2 May 2011 (PDT)

If only we'd thought of that sooner. I'll contact all the trolls and let them know. Chris doesn't answer emails or phonecalls. He's virtually impossible to contact unless you already have a foot in the door. If you did contact Chris, he would be largely unresponsive and then ignore you. Freecell (t/c) 12:27, 2 May 2011 (PDT)

Mmmkay, fair enough. How about friends/family/people unfortunate to exist in Chris's general vicinity? The freak went out in public like this; somebody has to know something. BlueYonder 10:44, 3 May 2011 (PDT)

Sandals

A rather minor point I'm sure, but as someone who has worked in a shoe store, is it worth pointing out that those sandals are clearly too small for Chris? Possible as a caption under the thumbnail? SilentThunder 09:41, 3 May 2011 (PDT)

Chris is a cheap bastard who gets almost all his clothes (in fact, pretty much anything but his video game crap) second-hand; I don't think he's ever been very concerned with picking stuff that actually suits him (though whether this stuff "suits" Chris probably depends on the definition you're working with). As long as it goes on his ever-widening frame without garotting him, he's happy. Of course, maybe you can work a mention of it into the "Chris and Fashion" article... BlueYonder 10:48, 3 May 2011 (PDT)

Yeah i figured, but that looks almost painful how small those are on him SilentThunder 14:37, 3 May 2011 (PDT)

So that surprise...

Do we still need that "So you know that surprise" picture on this page? I understand why it was there when this page was started but I'm not sure if it should stay. --T K 19 22:13, 5 May 2011 (PDT)

My opinion counts for nothing, given my n00b status, but I'd say keep it. Adds some drama. --Redcynic 22:19, 5 May 2011 (PDT)