Talk:Transgender

Is the Tomgirl Saga really over?

I don't know if this has been discussed already here. I didn't see it addressed specifically on Talk:Saga, although Talk:Saga#On Sagas came close. There are some scattered posts on the forums about it, but I'm still confused.

Has the Tomgirl Saga really ended? I posit that it has not, if it is simply defined as the period of time during which Chris crossdresses, because he's clearly still crossdressing. In his most recent OkCupid answers, he stated "I would cross dress more often if my mother was not against me doing it (panties and bra included, but wear them anyway)." His latest profile no longer mentions his tomgirlism in the text, however he has this as one of his profile photos.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding what "Saga" means, but I think that declaring Bob's death the endpoint of the Saga may have been premature. I get that the discontinuation of the Calling Out videos was significant, but does that necessarily mean the Tomgirl Saga is over? Someone set me STRAIGHT here. —CWCTime (talk) 01:55, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Don't think it ended. Alan Pardew (talk) 16:12, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Lesbian saga?

I have to say, this'll be a really big deal if the 3-year saga comes to an end. Whether he honestly supports equal rights at this point or not, it seems we might be entering the post-home destruction phase of Chris's life. Boomhauer (talk) 21:08, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Chris is still referring to himself as a tomgirl in addition to the other stuff, possibly to hang on to some semblance of masculinity (although that's just speculative on my part.) Therefore, I'm thinking he's in a period of transition at this point. I guess it's just to be determined until further notice. I don't think the tomgirl saga ever really ended, but it could be winding down if Chris makes a more drastic and noticeable transition. LOLlolcow (talk) 21:43, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Fair enough; guess I might be grasping at straws, here. Boomhauer (talk) 21:50, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

That's all anyone can do, really. We're not Chris (thankfully,) so everything we know comes from him. I guess we'll see, lol LOLlolcow (talk) 21:49, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Merge pages?

Should the Tomgirl Pictures page be merged with Tomgirl Saga?

Most of the info on the Pictures page is also on the Saga one. The Chris-tran gallery also exists on both pages.Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 08:12, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

Who comes up with these lies?

The article states

> In May 2015, Chris began a largely ineffectual form of hormone treatment

with a link to the Oestrogel page. Who comes up with these lies? Oestrogel is not "ineffectual" at all, it is a very common medication for hormone replacement therapy in transitioning and is quite effective if used in the correct dose and preferably combined with a anti-androgen. Regularly applied it can easily change hormone levels to normal female levels which will facilitate bodily transition, breast formation etc. There is quite a lot to ridicule CWC about but posting such lies is not warranted. -- Realts (talk) 00:40, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Maybe because...

• A. He applies it incorrectly and is really meant to treat menopausal symptoms: [1]
• B. The original writer didn't want to look on a online pharmacy site while doing research (in my quick research, the only site that mentions oestrogel's use in transitions is a online pharmacy site: [2]).

I'm pretty sure that lack of research is not lying... -Windows OS (talk) 01:06, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Rename

I'm thinking about an overhaul of this article. I think the title should be changed to Transgender. Tomgirl seems archaic at this point when Chris currently identifies as a transwoman. Saga should be dropped from the title as it's unnecessary and implies there will be an ending to him identifying as trans. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 07:44, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

The only title I can come up with is Transgender era: I think there is no doubt that Chris is committed to being a transwoman, but I wonder what impact will it have on the prounoun policy when we stop referring to Chris’s gender change as the “Tomgirl Saga”? I am a bit lost. --Little Owl (talk) 18:58, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

I feel it shouldn't affect the reasons behind the wiki's pronoun policy. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 01:26, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Sonichu's mascara

The mascara comment and drawing from this tweet update is one of the more fascinating things from Chris in a while. There must be some bizarre psychology behind that. How should it be incorporated into the article? Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 16:18, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Defense

Fans section says of LGBT: "some defending Chris' more abhorrent actions because he's a member of their community". Do people really do that? Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 22:42, 17 April 2022 (UTC)