Talk:Praetor

Bait

So the section for Annie says she possibly was used as bait for Chris. Though that seems speculative, I dunno if it should be there. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 17:44, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

IIRC, that was there since Spooky first edited the page.Psycho (talk) 18:02, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

Stun Gun

In a section, it states that Chris had ordered a stun gun. Wasn't it a taser he used for the crystals? Plus, the only instance of a stun gun being mentioned is apparently from MKR claiming that Praetor wanted him to use one on himself. Psycho (talk) 17:45, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

Don't think he ordered one. Praetor had been planning to sell some stun guns/tasers, which is probably what the shopping cart image was meant to promote. I think the potential sales are mentioned in the Taser Discussion call and it's also alluded to in Thinking with Portals where Praetor says "There will be none. The taser provided is not for sale, as it is a low wattage one not worth selling. Prolonged contact is uncomfortable, but not damaging. The ones that will be sold are not handled by CWC, but are far stronger." Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 19:58, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

Actually, scratch that, looked closer at the image and it shows Praetor only had one in their cart along with the Pikachu mask. Also someone archived their Instagram post where they uploaded the image and it shows them saying "As Praetor, we always work hard to produce the best videos we can. Good works are in progress!" https://archive.ph/K6ojQ. They made that posting on November 15 2020. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 22:34, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Etsy

I want to write a more accurate description of what the Chris-Praetor-Etsy situation is. Chris used the word "outsourced" to describe Praetor making medallions, but this seems incorrect - he's not outsourcing because that would mean Chris was hiring Praetor which doesn't seem to be the case. If anything it's the other way around where Praetor was essentially hiring Chris to approve their products/promote their Etsy and paid him for doing so. Thoughts? Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 14:06, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

I think this should be done, just so that it better clarifies Chris's relationship with Praetor, basically that Praetor had found Chris and got him to approve their stuff. Psycho (talk) 16:00, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

Fundraiser idea?

In the Caden section it says the 14 BC fundraiser was his idea. What's the source for this? Also I looked at Jail Letter - 29 July 2022 and while it's said in the summary that it's Caden's idea, I don't see in Chris's letter where he said that. Am I missing something? Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 10:12, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

Chris claimed in a recent letter that the fundraiser was Caden's idea. Probably should reword it, since Chris could just as easily be lying about this. Psycho (talk) 13:40, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

Where does Chris mention that in the letter? Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 22:33, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

Misread, it has Chris telling Kenneth to "relay" the idea to Caden.Psycho (talk) 23:43, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

Separate page for Praetor listings

So there are several listings on the Praetor shop which haven't been covered on CWCki yet. Should we create a separate article for putting all the listings in? OfficialCWCmart listings or something. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 18:20, 10 May 2023 (EDT)

Good idea, I'll make that Cereally (talk) 21:12, 12 July 2023 (EDT)

I made the page at OfficialCWCmart, still in an incomplete state though. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 23:03, 12 July 2023 (EDT)

Does Caden deserve his own page?

He's pretty important in modern Christory, but I'm not sure if we have enough information on him. Cereally (talk) 21:28, 26 July 2023 (EDT)

Profit

Is there a source for the line about giving a tenth of profit to Chris? Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 20:49, 18 October 2023 (EDT)

It's based on something MKR says in Taser Discussion Cereally (talk) 21:26, 18 October 2023 (EDT)

You mean the $400/$6000 numbers? Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 21:41, 18 October 2023 (EDT)

Yeah, that. Cereally (talk) 21:57, 18 October 2023 (EDT)

The Watchmen arrived at the $6,000 number by simply multiplying sales of the Praetor-made medallion by the item price, then rounding up (source). Though that's revenue and not profit - Praetor has to pay things like cost to produce the medallions and seller fees. So it's unclear how exactly the $400 Chris got compares to the Praetor members' profits at the time.

I also think it should be noted that Praetor sells two types of products - stuff they made themselves and which Chris approved, and stuff created by Chris. The $400/$6,000 numbers only loosely apply to the former, and I don't think we have any info on what the latter profit split is like. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 23:23, 18 October 2023 (EDT)

Cabell

I remember in an earlier edit of the page it said that 'Cabell' could possibly be a nickname for Bella. However, at the time of the quote, Chris was not in contact with Bella. So, I think it's very likely that the blonde woman in the Chinese resturant photo is Cabell, judging by the fact that there is no other known person who it could be. Should this be added to the page? Cereally (talk) 03:07, 19 October 2023 (EDT)

It does sound plausible. Chris listed Cabell as part of a group of four which is the same amount as in the restaurant pic. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 06:10, 19 October 2023 (EDT)

400

Why's the stuff about Chris being paid almost $400 cut? Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 02:34, 21 October 2023 (EDT)

Oh, I meant to move it to the Etsy section of the page instead of placing it at the start. I guess I forgot to move it and just deleted it. I'll re-add it. Cereally (talk) 03:28, 21 October 2023 (EDT)

Caden picture

I don't think the goofy Caden picture fits for the article. Wasn't that taken when he was younger and before he started interacting with Chris? Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 18:28, 10 November 2023 (EST)

Well, it's the highest quality image of him out there, so that's why I picked it. I'll change it Cereally (talk) 22:50, 10 November 2023 (EST)

Felonies archive

What does the archive.is link for the felonies paragraph lead to? The link doesn't work for me. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 18:23, 29 November 2023 (EST)

Barb

The article either says it was Caden's idea for the anti-Barb fundraiser or that he and Chris worked together on it. Isn't this Chris's own idea? In the referenced jail letter Chris says: "So, I have just sent a letter to Caden with all the specifics, and the one public letter and drawing on the matter, in organizing an online fundraiser to raise $150,000 to pay off the mortgage and debts, and some left to pay for her to start off in an Elderly Care Home."

It sounds like this is something Chris wanted Caden to participate in, but I'm also not seeing proof Caden took him up on it. Did anyone ever find the Kickstarter fundraiser that Chris wanted set up? Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 04:30, 4 December 2023 (EST)

Caden

Caden should be split back to a separate page. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 05:35, 13 August 2024 (EDT)