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Good work, Tyranogre! I'll try to contribute to the page, soon, too --GokuGetEm 08:53, 31 December 2009 (CET)

Nice start. Easily can be added on to and everything. Just a thought, though: should we include others he's shown hate towards? Y'know, like the homos and anyone with asperger's/low-function autism/"anything that tries to take Chris's spotlight"? --Blazer 08:55, 31 December 2009 (CET)

  • If we do that, we might as well call this page "Chris and discrimination" or "Chris and tolerance" or something. Personally I'd like to have a quick list of all the groups he's offensive to in one place. SnorlaXBOX 08:59, 31 December 2009 (CET)
    • Actually, I'm surprised we haven't done just that! Chris hasn't shown discrimination towards just one group, he's shown it to everyone everywhere! I don't think we should delete this, just rename it into "Chris and discrimination", like you said!--Blazer 09:05, 31 December 2009 (CET)
      • Sure, let's rename it. Of course, first we need to convince Champ to remove the deletion tag... Tyranogre 09:07, 31 December 2009 (CET)

Why I'm nominating it for deletion

I can see some potential here but not much. Chris's dislike of blacks is just something trolls like to exaggerate - at best, Chris seems really uncomfortable around black people in the same way an upper class person would lock the car doors while going through the black neighborhood. It's not really racist, per say, that Chris doesn't like black chicks but I think the problem is that 1) he's not really in the position to be fussy about women, given who he is and 2) he's made it seem like that he would rather keep being a virgin than do a black girl (perhaps this question could be posed in the mailbag or the Common Questions). But he's not an outright racist. It's fun to suggest this to Chris because it irritates him, but really it's misleading to suggest he's some sort of closet KKK member. Bob on the other hand actually made a comment about Megan being a "dirty German girl" which is really old school racism but alas, we'll never have that call publicly.

Other races? You can really summarize it in one sentence - Chris's views of race come from TV and popular culture in general. Jews eat bagels and whine a lot, Asians are really good at math and karate, Native Americans do rain dances and say "How!", etc.

This article is trying to insinuate something about Chris that really isn't. I know we do this a lot but with race, it's really pushing it for its own article. --Champthom 09:09, 31 December 2009 (CET)

  • Given his reaction toward black kids at Game Place, I'd definitely call him racist. --DirtyCrappedBriefs 09:18, 31 December 2009 (CET)
  • Okay, that's true. Though, as myself and a couple of others was saying above, I think this article should PROBABLY be retitled something like "Chris and discrimination" or "Chris and intolerance." and expanded on greatly. It's easy to see that Chris has shown hatred or dislike in a number of groups, not just blacks. And the sheer fact that Chris doesn't bother actually looking up stuff and, as you said, Chris just uses what he sees on TV and thinks that's how they actually act shows that he has no care for them and/or that he dislikes them because they go against what he is. --Blazer 09:25, 31 December 2009 (CET)
  • Your points are valid. However, I think, this all may be fixed by renaming the page to "Chris and discrimination" or "Chris and tolerance" or "Chris and stereotypes". I agree that this article should encompass groups like Homos, Aspergers, Muslims, etc. And I agree that its main point should be moved from implying Chris's racism to just giving a quick overview of Chris's attitude towards various groups. So, my vote is: find a good new name, rename the article, and expand it to other groups. --GokuGetEm 09:40, 31 December 2009 (CET)
  • How about we rename this article "Chris and Minorities"? It can also be used for his views of others such as the Disabled. But I agree with you that he is not a Stormfront type of racist, he's more of a xenophobe. --AntonImausMk2 00:30, 2 January 2010 (CET)
    • I like this idea. There is much that can be said about Chris and minorities, but while Chris is racist, there's not enough material to write about to justify its own article. --James Lamp-Eye 03:12, 2 January 2010 (CET)
  • Chris said he "hates the Chinese" in BlueSpike_PSN_Chat_3.5 and does an insensitive impression of all Asians. In Mumble 4 he does an impression of all black people, saying that they sound like Rastafarians. I'm going to say that yes, he is racist, but not extremely racist. There probably isn't enough of it to make a good page out of, tho. --Anaconda 01:51, 2 January 2010 (CET)

Deletion Notice (Void)

I am putting this page on my "To-Watch" file. I will delete it in a week if it doesn't improve. Griffintown 04:44, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

  • Let's salvage anything usable (if there is anything) and add it to the Niggos article, then just leave this as a redirect. I don't think we're going to get enough material to make this worthwhile as a standalone page. --SnorlaXBOX 04:53, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
  • I would rather move the Niggos article in to this one, and then have smaller subsections for other races. I agree that a lot of this article is exaggerated rubbish, but there's no denying that Chris is extraordinary awkward in his dealings with other cultures. We should cover his interactions with them, but in a more objective way. I would rather see a merge than a deletion. --Megaman 05:02, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
  • But is there really a lot we can say aside from "Chris's views of race come from popular culture"? As I said, Chris more or less absorbs what he sees from TV - thus Jews whine and eat bagels, Asians have buck teeth and say things like "Me so sowwy!," Indians no matter the tribe say "How!" and say things like "Smokum peace pipe!", etc. But does this really need its own article? The niggos article mostly serves as explaining the racism against African Americans, which does require some explaining since it comes up frequently. But I agree, we should salvage what we can if we can't make this into a full fledged article and incorporate it into the Niggos one.--Champthom 17:35, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
    • Also, since when are you a moderator Griffintown? --Megaman 05:03, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
      • Since Champthom gave me the job. Here's the announcement. I read many people talking about what to do with pages while doing nothing. I strongly believe in deadlines to keep things going. Right now, this page sucks. Expanding the Niggo page would be a nice answer, adding new material for this page is also good. Let's find answers. Griffintown 15:56, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
        • Well Congratulation's on the promotion. --Megaman 19:36, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
  • I've begun moving some of the content from this page onto subsection "Chris and stereotypes" on the Niggos page, which should probably be retitled now. --SnorlaXBOX 18:51, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
    • While that's a good move, I'd rather see this page have the content of "niggos". I've always felt bad about having an entire page dedicated to a racist slur, even a slurred racist slur. Niggos could be mentioned as a minor cwcism, but it doesn't need it's own page. I guess what I'm trying to say is that "Chris and Racism" is a more scholarly sounding title to deal with Chris' interactions with other races than say "niggos". I'm going to try to save this article in favor or turning niggos into a cwcism stub. --Megaman 19:36, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
  • Alright, I've overhauled the article, feel free to tweak it or even revert it. However, do keep the changes I've made to the Native American section. It wasn't up to date. --Megaman 20:53, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
  • I think that was a good move. Niggos can be made a lot more succinct; it should probably stick to the reasons, events, and consequences around the time Chris came up with the word, as well as blacks in Sonichu (comic). This page is much better for mulling about stereotypes in general. --Umad 23:52, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
  • Excellent initiative. I love the way the entry looks like for now. I am putting the Deletion Notice on hold. I want to see how awesome this page can get. Griffintown 03:59, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

The page is great. I remove the deletion notice. Griffintown 17:18, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

  • I am enjoying this fine piece of Literature--Pikimon 19:22, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

This page is shit

Okay, not total shit but it looks like people just took stuff from "Niggos" and dropped them into here, I'm not really seeing why that stuff couldn't just stay in niggos since people are more or less just concerned about his relationship with African Americans. The other stuff is more or less really wordy things along the vein of "Chris uses stereotypes he really doesn't get."

I won't delete it (for now) since a lot of you have spent time on this, but seriously, this is a really messy, disorganized page. Also, someone come up with a better name for it. Maybe "Chris and race"? --Champthom 21:10, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

  • As for dumping the niggos article into this one, that's almost exactly what I did, so the section on "blacks" needs some pruning. Is there a more politically correct term we could be using? "African American's" wouldn't encompass everything. Also, other suggested name changes are "Chris and discrimination" and "Chris and tolerance", however, both of those would expand the article to include religion, politics and sexuality; which would be a bit broad. I think it's fine to leave the article as "Chris and Racism" as long we make it explicit that Chris is not racist, just misinformed and slightly xenophobic. --Megaman 21:41, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
  • But that's the thing Megaman, why are we calling it "Chris and racism" if it turns out that Chris isn't really racist? And even if we argue that Chris is not really a racist, shouldn't we allow the reader to come to this conclusion for his or her self? I personally preferred the Niggos article as it was, but if we are going this route, I think that aside from reworking this article to improve for quality and organization, a better name can be used. I think by calling it "Chris and racism" we are essentially using a loaded term from the get go to imply that Chris is racist. Yes, it's fun to imply that Chris is some sort of KKK member who believes in white power but in reality, he's just really uncomfortable around black people but instead of being subtle like most white people who are like this, Chris is like "SORRY, NO BLACK LADIES." Not very PC but not full out racist. Likewise, Chris spouting tired sterotypes about Jews and Cherokees isn't so much racism, IMHO, just cultural insensitivity.
I'm leaning towards "Chris and race" which reflects the article's intention to discuss Chris and his relations with other races, and allows the reader to decide for his or her self if Chris is indeed racist without having to broaden the scope of the article that an article title like "Chris and discrimination" could imply. Thoughts, people? --Champthom 22:01, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
I back the change for "Chris And Race". We need to keep the "Chris and ..." series as vague as possible. Affected as he is, I wonder if Chris even understand the concept of discrimination. Another interesting point, the use of the term "Race" would enable us in the future of adding any ethnic-related concepts. As an example, Ching Chong is still missing in this very page (another thing we can merge, YAY!). Griffintown 22:12, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
  • I don't think it's appropriate to merge Ching Chong into this page - Ching Chong is a character and an article about her should still be about this alleged little Chinese girl and not her racist depiction. It's like if we merged "Black Sonichu" into the Niggos article or this article just because he happens to be black. We can mention Ching Chong here but in the very least have a mention for her on the List of Sonichu characters page. I wish there was something along the lines of "List of troll created personas" (along the lines of Max Molvania, Ryan Cash, etc.) but I doubt we could go far with that. But yeah, I think I'll move this to "Chris and race."--Champthom 23:41, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
That might be a good way to prune the main article, by making only links to directly referenced characters, rather than listing them. --Megaman 00:09, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Needs a summary/conclusion?

It's a big article, and I feel it could use a wrapup/conclusion that hits the major points like how he only knows stereotypes from TV, that he's more xenophobic than supremacist, and that his prejudice isn't so much born out of hate or malice, but rather ignorance. Anyone else think there should be a wrapup? --Needlepants 20:56, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Chris on Chinese people.

The audio quality in that chat isn't the best, but he says "I don't mind Chinese people". It sounds like "like", but if you listen closely and consider the context, you can tell he didn't say that. He says he has no problem with them, and Julie doesn't follow up on it at all, and Julie used to call him on stuff like that. - Liquid! 15:15, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Wasn't Chris?

Apparently, the Middle East section was removed with "wasn't chris" being the reason. Is there proof the livejournal wasn't Chris? JamieTyler 14:27, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

  • Nevermind, found it. Thanks for removing it.JamieTyler 14:30, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

chris and language & other nationalities

after seeing many articles and chris's horrible use of non english (and english itself) languages, i've noticed that he does not comprehend even the most basic prececpt that anyone would know. for example, despie seeing so much anime and pretty much being a weeaboo, he can't even use -san or -chan correctly, and then there is his horrible mangling of the spanish language. Also there is that stupid "freedom fries" thing on sonichu 9 (i think).

TL;DR: Should a section detailing chris ignorance of foreign language and culture be included?J0haely 01:34, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Add in Chris' black face song?

Should we go ahead and add in Chris' song to Jackie that he did in black face? I think that adding under the part where it says race relations hasn't improved might be the best place but that's just me. I would do it myself but since I'm kind of new here, I guess I should let more experience CWCipedians do it. --Bailoroc 13:45, 17 September 2010 (PDT)

This is more an indication of Chris's ignorance than his racism. He's imitating Mr. Popo (who is a racist caricature himself, but Chris is too stupid to know that). If you were to point out to Chris that this latest video is insanely offensive, his response would be something like this: "I resent all Wrongful mislabelings; in that video I was MR. POPO from DRAGON BALL Z, NOT any Other Thing! I RESPECT the blacks as PEOPLE and I do NOT have racist feelings toward them." And he seriously believes it, too. Yeah, Chris is pretty racist, but it's fairly passive racism most of the time. He doesn't go out of his way to harass other groups, but when he encounters them the level of respect he displays is even less than his customary disregard for the rights and desires of others. Sygerrik 13:54, 17 September 2010 (PDT)
  • Chris isn't an intentional racist. He's an ignorant racist who is suspicious of others that are not like him (IE white), but not hateful. Being the ignorant idiot that he is, he's never heard of black face and so would not understand its connotation. CrassCrab 14:18, 17 September 2010 (PDT)

Robert Chandler mentioned in a phone call to ThePCassassin's on September 21st 2010 that he has friends in the KKK and tries to threaten those brave men. This is a dark look into the life of Robert Chandler note he also admits too seeing plenty of crosses burning. Craig and Amfermee are now in hiding from the Klan they hope you enjoy. ThePCassassins - Call Bobby Chandler

Oh lawd, is dat sum self-promotion?

Germans

Should we add Germans to this page? --Munch 17:58, 8 March 2011 (PST)

Jews

Not a race, so should probably be relocated to Chris and religion.

Jews are often considered (both by themselves and others) to be an ethnic group. Furthermore, many people would argue that there are no real humans races whatsoever. What makes a person a racist isn't whether or not the groups that he hates/is prejiduced against is an actual racial/ethnic group, but whether or not it is percieved by him as such. - NegaCWC (talk)
I'm completely with you on the "race" thing; it's a common misconception. However, in the case of ethnic and cultural backgrounds, it's again, a religion, not genetic. If we're talking about the middle east/eastern Mediterranean, that's perfectly fine, but being a religious group, it should be moved to the Chris and religion section. Boomhauer (talk) 8:52, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
But again, Jews also consider themselves, and are often considered by others, to be an ancestry group (i.e the descendants of ancient Israelites) as well as a religous group. To make an analogy, while Irish people aren't considered a race, if Chris were to lash against people for Irish ancestry many would consider it racist. Therefore, I think that this article should discuss Chris's prejudice toward Jews. - NegaCWC (talk) 20:26, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

23andme test

I think it's Idea Guy influence. It's unusual behavior from Chris - a sudden interest in DNA ancestry, that he's never cared about before or after - occurring in the timeframe he was being manipulated by the Idea Guys. It fits other confirmed behavior changes like his sudden interest in exercise or his belief that he's bisexual. His announcement on the 23andme test also has him making an over-the-top apology to Jewish people, which is similar behavior as in the IG-produced I’m Sorry for Ruining so many Fandoms. These tests are also fairly expensive and IG was controlling Chris's finances at the time. Chris's conclusions about the test also seem designed by a troll - "Also, my report links my Ancestry to Africa, so guess what else I am... BACK IN BLACK" Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 23:18, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

    • We have well-documented conversations between Chris and the Idea Guys where they led him into doing all sorts of absurd things. This is not one of them. It is a deduction at best and speculation at worst; we should not present it as an established fact. ChanOfTartary (talk) 21:34, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
    • Only two conversations between them were leaked by the Guard Dogs as examples, out of six months worth of chatlogs. The 23andme test could have been discussed in one of those chats. What else could explain Chris's interest and behavior? Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 00:55, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
      • To me it doesn't seem all that out there that Chris would get a 23andme test. 23andme is one of the most well known and advertised "ancestry services" so its likely Chris just got suckered into it by ad, another family member getting it, or he just felt like doing it. Chris has bragged about his supposed ancestry before with Anne Boleyn, being part Cherokee, and by degrees you could also count his theory that he is a reincarnated Woodstock lesbian. While it is possible IG influenced Chris in this department, judging by his tone in the video he did about it I'm inclined to think he did it for himself. Had he mentioned something outlandish like the DNA results proving he is half Pokemon/video game god then I'd say IG had something to with it, from what we know it doesn't make sense to make that connection. Finnegan (talk) 08:47, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

George Floyd

The tweet is too vauge to derive anything about the protests, it could mean anything (COVID etc). Chris has a tendency to not care about what is happening in the media unless it causes a change for him. Therefore I will be rolling the change back. Undo the rollback if you think the section is needed - klop (talk) 13:41, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Rewrite

Planning to rewrite this page and Niggos. The perspective on both is exaggerated too much. His attitude on race is more along the lines of taking stereotypes too literally, being socially oblivious, and being influenced by trolls (only times he's known to use racial slurs was during the classic trolls era). Any objections or suggestions? Also, probably going to split the Niggos page to only discuss the CWC-ism and move the rest of it to Race. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 16:24, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

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