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{{quote|[[Chris Chan Sonichu]] is watching over you.|Chris's messiah complex in full force, said to a woman going through a divorce.<ref>https://twitter.com/CPU_CWCSonichu/status/1271137941411299330</ref>}}
[[File:BobBundySonichu13.jpg|thumb|According to [[Sonichu 13|''Sonichu'' #13]], [[Bob Chandler]] and serial killer [[Ted Bundy]] are in fact half-[[Sonichu (species)|Sonichus]], who live in [[C-197|Chris's fantasy world]] following their respective deaths.]]


{| class="infobox" style="width: 21em; font-size: 90%;"
Raising the bar of complicated storytelling previous set by [[Sonichu 12-9|its predecessor]], on 3 [[August 2018]], Chris completed [[Sonichu 13|''Sonichu'' #13]], which encompasses a variety of lores and historical/political references spoonfed by the [[Idea Guys]]. The issue will remain forever inconsistent; however, this article seeks to '''analyze ''Sonichu'' #13''' as completely as possible and provide an aid for readers attempting to comprehend the issue.
|-
! colspan="2" | [[Sonichu (comic)|Sonichu]] character
|-
| colspan="2" | [[File:CPUBlueHeartportrait.jpg|250px|center]]
|-
! colspan="2" | CPU Blue Heart
|-
| '''Date of birth'''
| 16 June 2018 (rebirth)<ref name=origin>[[May 2019 social media posts#CPU One Year Anniversary]]</ref>
|-
| '''Date of death'''
| 1994 (''reincarnated in 2018'')
|-
| '''Gender'''
| Female
|-
| '''Species'''
| [[Hyperdimension Neptunia|Console Patron Unit]]<br>[[Sonichu (species)|Sonichu]] ([[Electric Hedgehog Pokémon]])
|-
|}


==Story==
As per the previous issue, Chris's opening disclaimer for #13 states that all events portrayed in the story ''actually happened'', either in [[1218]] or [[C-197]] (as later designated), no matter how bizarre. As real life Chris is recounting his experiences as the narrator, this issue is a [[Chris and reality|pseudo]]-autobiography.


[[File:30 09 18 Twitter post.jpeg|thumb|250px|CPU Blue Heart in Sonichu form.]]
'''[Prior to Sonichu 12-9, Chris used a Mary Sue [[Christian Weston Chandler (comic character)|comic book version of himself]] to depict exaggerated versions of real life events. This was childish but relatively harmless compared to Chris's current approach: his fragile mental health makes him believe that he has embarked on multiple adventures like a Saturday morning cartoon protagonist]'''


'''CPU Blue Heart''' (also known as '''Scarlett Celestia''')<ref>[[June 2019 social media posts#New information on CPU Blue Heart]]</ref> is the [[Hyperdimension Neptunia|Console Patron Unit]] Goddess of the [[Commodore|Commodore consoles]] and of the Nations of Comma and [[CWCville]]. After being instilled by the [[Idea Guys]] in late [[2017]], she also serves as one of Chris's escapist fantasies – providing a [[coping|coping mechanism]] and enabling his [[messiah complex]].
'''[The Idea Guys successfully manipulated Chris by a number of techniques including roleplaying as various characters (certain interactions such as arguments are documented in the comic - page 20) as well as recordings such as [[Red Forest]]]. They incorporated a number of edgy topics. According to Joshua Wise, he wanted to feed Chris concepts more interesting than those in 12-9 (Q&A). In a more disturbing aspect, Chris narrates multiple times that he offended certain characters for trivial offences (showcasing the Idea Guys' abuse) - page 20, 22, 25,]'''


== Backstory ==
From [[November 2017]] onwards, not long after first contact with the Idea Guys, Chris started posting delusional scenarios on his social media, heavily indicative of an external influence on his behavior.'''[references to HN, nazis etc or examples in paragraph]''' Behind the scenes, Chris contemporaneously incorporated many of these scenarios into his ongoing comic; thus, the comic may serve as a reference to Chris's interactions with the Idea Guys – especially when he was instilled with particular delusions.
:''See also: [[Hyperdimension Neptunia]]''


The [[Idea Guys]] introduced Chris to the franchise as a means to validate his fantasies and [[brainwash]] his beliefs, [[Manipulation|manipulating]] and bullying him by role-playing as Hyperdimension characters. After their removal, Chris created a new fictional land in the Hyperdimension universe - Comma, aka the Commodore land - crowning himself the CPU goddess of the [[Commodore 64]] in an attempt to reclaim his shattered ego.
Issue #13 is separated into several loose story arcs, but ties together into one large narrative. Despite bearing the subtitle of ''The Awakening of a CPU aka The Idea Guy Corruptions'', Chris's [[CPU Blue Heart]] persona and the Idea Guys are only addressed in the epilogue of the story, which was added [[April 2018|four months]] after the main body of the comic was finished. The unofficial chapters are as follows:


After creating the fictional land of Comma, Chris said a new Commodore 64 CPU would be chosen soon. He also stated that this new CPU is a woman and has a working Commodore 64. He created this story to stroke his ego since he thinks he's a woman and thought his C64 worked. But his scheme failed as his C64 did not function. He later made two videos asking for help to fix his C64.
*'''Uzume-possessed Chris and his battles with Kurome''' <small>(pages 1-7)</small>
*'''[[Operation BARBarossa]] and the [[Akan|Russian]] Invasion of CWCville''' <small>(pages 8-12)</small>
*'''The Hunt for E115 and Evil Chris''' <small>(pages 13-15)</small>
*'''Fate of the [[Chaotic Combo]]''' <small>(pages 16-17)</small>
*'''[[Rosechu]]'s [[Transgender|Gender Reveal]]''' <small>(pages 18-19)</small>
*'''Purging of [[Silvana]]''' <small>(pages 20-21)</small>
*'''Chris and Blanc's Date''' <small>(pages 22-22B)</small>
*'''[[Australatina]]/[[Nazi]]-CWCville War''' <small>(pages 23-26)</small>
*'''Sonichu Captures and the Death of [[Simonla]]''' <small>(pages 27-28)</small>
*'''Chris renounces [[Religion|Christianity]]''' <small>(pages 29-30)</small>
*'''The Heroes Retaliate''' <small>(pages 31-32)</small>


Why Chris chose the Commodore 64 is still not known, it could be due to his sentimental value towards the C64, as it was his first computer which he remembers as a gaming console due to Bob buying and coding games on it for Chris.


Chris unveiled the CPU, representing the [[Commodore 64]] in June 2018. He followed up by posting screenshots of text messages between him and another person on Facebook, which detailed notes on Scarlet<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/twitter-6-29-18-chris-warns-this-shit-is-real.44905/page-3#post-3512939</ref> He also urged his followers to draw her and pray like idolatry.
Regardless of the removal of the Idea Guys in [[April 2018]] '''[check date]''', Chris later stated that #13 remains canon and still occurred. ''[find source]''
<ref>https://tweetsave.com/cwcsonichu/status/1012757781240217601</ref>.


On 2 July, Chris liked some fanart of her and responded by posting Scarlet's backstory.<ref>[[July 2018 social media posts#CPU Blue Heart's backstory]]</ref>
==Plot elements==
===Hyperdimension Neptunia===
*Cave
*Neptune
*Nepgear
*I.F.
*Blanc
*Segami
*C-Sha


In [[The Awakening of a CPU]], Chris mentioned that he is the CPU goddess Blue Heart. So enamored was he that he changed his Twitter handle to "Chris Chan Sonichu/Blue Heart" and edited the bio to:
===My Little Pony===
*Discord aids Chris in sending Kurome to Zero Dimension
*Night Star aids Chris in above
*Night Star accidentally creates many clones of Evil Chris


{{quote|I am Mrs. Christine W. Chandler, Sonichu Creator/Chronicler of Sonichu & Rosechu, and CPU Goddess of the Nations of Cwcville, Comma, and the Commodore Consoles.<ref>https://archive.fo/v5aVW</ref>}}
===Nazis===
*E115 element used to create three medallions
*Satan-possessed Chris uses medallion to empower Hitler


===Hardcore Henry===
*Akan supporting the Russians


===Payday===
*Cloakers
*Yamada funds CWCville through Payday heist scores.


===Politcs===
*Russian invasion
*Chris/blanc's discussion of Trump vs Hillary


==The Awakening of a CPU==
===CWC lore===
{{quote|I had lived a long, trying and [[stress|mentally and emotionally enduring life]], [[coping|made my own progress]], recovery and whatnot. Me! A [[The 69 Destined Sonichus and Rosechus|half-Sonichu]] individual of this [[Earth 1218]]; destined to be a console patron unit!|[[Sonichu 13#Epilogue|''Sonichu'' #13 epilogue]]}}
*Chaotic combo go their separate ways and find new faiths
On 14 June 2018, Chris uploaded [[I need some local C64 Tech Help, Please|two videos]] requesting the help of a local technician to repair his Commodore 64. Coming from Chris, the topic of computer hardware was not exactly synonymous with him. Little did his followers know that two days later, Chris would start identifying as the Goddess, CPU Blue Heart.<ref name=origin></ref>
*Rosechu revealed to be transgender
*[[Jamsta]] put on trial for molesting [[Punchy]] - found not guilty
*Revealed that Sonichus/Rosechus do not die but are re-hatched from eggs in the exact same position they previously hatched (does not take into account that C-197 Earth moves within the universe though). Memories are retained. Silvana, Simonla, Zepina (maybe), and Robertchu's rebirths are portrayed (page 32)


According to [[Sonichu 13|''Sonichu'' #13]]—which at this point in [[Sonichu (comic)|the series]], acts as a [[Chris and reality|pseudo-biography]] for Chris to "chronicle" his coping mechanisms—June 16th was a prophecized event, in which he received the soul, and in turn, the memories and abilities of Scarlet, upon touching his aforementioned Commodore 64.
===Misc.===
*Chris's "Anuu cheeki breeki" [[Cherokean Chant]] was also depicted in a video (page 30)


==Timeline of social media posts vs Sonichu 13==
<center>'''[Image timeline of Sonichu 13 events here]'''</center>
*[[Red Forest|Yamada and friends are attacked by Cloakers]] October 2017, leaked (page 5)
*[[December_2017_Facebook_posts#Is Rosechu a transwoman?|Rosechu is transgender]] 7 December 2017 (page 18-19)
*[[December_2017_Facebook_posts#Introducing_Battery-Charge_Heart|Chris creates CPU Battery-Charge Heart]] 11 December (page 20)
*[[December_2017_Facebook_posts#Silvana_lost_in_the_past|Silvana is wiped from existence]] (page 20-21)
*[[December_2017_Facebook_posts#Jamsta_molested_Punchy|Jamsta found not guilty, Punchy Riots]] mid-december 2017 (page 23)
*[[:File:IdeaGuyMap.jpeg|CWCville is partitioned by a ravine]] mid-December 2017, leaked (page 24)
*[[January_2018_Facebook_posts#Mewtwo_and_Magi-Chan_married|Magi-Chan and Mewtwo Wedding]] early-January 2018 (page 27)


Story seems to jump back in time to December after this point
*17 December 2017 - Chris renounces Christianity (page 30)
*21 December 2017 - Nazis forced back (page 31)


*Chris reveals Scarlet late june 2018
==Annotated comic pages==
*Awakening of CPU (3 August) is where Chris comes out
The glaring issue with ''Sonichu'' #13 is that Chris was especially keen on ignoring the "[[Wikipedia:Show, don't tell|show, don't tell]]" rule of media. Despite being the fifteenth issue of a [[Sonichu (comic)|comic book series]], a significant portion of the comic presents its series of events in paragraphs of text, with relevant illustrations accompanying on the sides.


==EDITOR NOTES==
In the epilogue, Chris shelves the comic panel style for a literary prose
*Introduced 16 June 2018


*"Scarlet" retconned as "Scarlett" later
The following gallery contains the pages for ''Sonichu'' #13 with brief details of each page for clarity:
 
 
*At [[BronyCon 2019]], as part of his [[cosplay]], Chris wore a crudely made Commodore logo on his head.
*[[My Little Pony Protests]] - in the third person, uses the phrase "Oh my Chris Chan"/Chris invokes his status as a deity to try and convince Hasbro to budge.
 
 
 
 
==In the comics==
*Seeds sown in Sonichu 13 (Awakening of CPU)
*Further detail in Sonichu 14
 
==Gallery==
<center><gallery>
<center><gallery>
File:Scarlet Commodore CPU.jpg|Scarlet's pre-reincarnation form.
File:The Awakening of a CPU cover.jpg | Front and back Cover
File:ChrisSelfPortrait2.jpg
File:Sonichu 16 page-0.JPG | Front cover
File:RuleBreaker1.jpg|Chris's transformation flowchart featuring Chris, [[Night Star]], [[Chris Chan Sonichu]], and CPU Blue Heart.
File:Sonichu 16 page-1.JPG | Disclaimer
File:Chris Sonichu CPU.jpeg|[[Chris-Chan Sonichu]]'s CPU variant.
File:Sonichu 16 page-2.JPG | Title
File:CPUBlueHeartTSSSF.jpg|[[TSSSF]] card.
File:The Awakening of a CPU disclaimer.jpg | Title (Idea Guys disclaimer)
File:OCUpgrade.jpg|Alternative Sonichu drawing
File:Sonichu 16 page-3.JPG | Page 1
File:Patreoncard2.jpg|TSSSF Sonichu variant.
File:Sonichu 16 page-4.JPG | Page 2
File:CPUBattle.jpg|In the heat of battle (Chris's current Twitter banner).
File:Sonichu 16 page-5.JPG | Page 3
File:CPUBlueHeartFanart.jpg|Honest Fan art.
File:Sonichu 16 page-6.JPG | Page 4
File:CWC GoPony reaction.jpg|OMG is now OMCC.
File:Sonichu 16 page-7.JPG | Page 5
</gallery></center>
File:Sonichu 16 page-8.JPG | Page 6
 
File:Sonichu 16 page-9.JPG | Page 7
==See also==
File:Sonichu 16 page-10.JPG | Page 8
*[[Commodore 64]]
File:Sonichu 16 page-11.JPG | Page 9
*[[Chris and coping]]
File:Sonichu 16 page-12.JPG | Page 10
*[[Idea Guys]]
File:Sonichu 16 page-13.JPG | Page 11
*[[Messiah complex]]
File:Sonichu 16 page-14.JPG | Page 12
*[[Chris and religion]]
File:Sonichu 16 page-15.JPG | Page 13
File:Sonichu 16 page-16.JPG | Page 14
File:Sonichu 16 page-17.JPG | Page 15
File:Sonichu 16 page-18.JPG | Page 16
File:Sonichu 16 page-19.JPG | Page 17
File:Sonichu 16 page-20.JPG | Page 18
File:Sonichu 16 page-21.jpeg | Page 19
File:Sonichu 16 page-22.jpeg | Page 20
File:Sonichu 16 page-23.jpeg | Page 21
File:Sonichu 16 page-24.jpeg | Page 22
File:Sonichu 16 page-25.jpeg | Page 23 (22.1)
File:Sonichu 16 page-26.jpeg | Page 24 (22.2)
File:Sonichu 16 page-27.jpeg | Page 25 (23)
File:Sonichu 16 page-28.jpeg | Page 26 (24)
File:Sonichu 16 page-29.jpeg | Page 27 (25)
File:Sonichu 16 page-30.jpeg | Page 28 (26)
File:Sonichu 16 page-31.jpeg | Page 29 (27)
File:Sonichu 16 page-32.jpeg | Page 30 (28)
File:Sonichu 16 page-33.jpeg | Page 31 (29)
File:Sonichu 16 page-34.jpeg | Page 32 (30)
File:Sonichu 16 page-35.jpeg | Page 33 (31)
File:Sonichu 16 page-36.jpeg | Page 34 (32)
File:Sonichu 16 page-37.jpeg | Page 35 (33)
File:Sonichu 16 page-38.jpeg | Page 36 (34)
File:Sonichu 16 page-39.jpeg | Page 37 (35)
File:Sonichu 16 page-40.jpeg | Page 38 (36)
File:Sonichu 16 page-41.jpeg | Page 39 (37)
File:Sonichu 16 page-42.jpeg | Page 40 (38)
File:Sonichu 16 page-43.jpeg | Page 41 (1)
File:Sonichu 16 page-44.jpeg | Page 42 (2)
File:Sonichu 16 page-45.jpeg | Page 43 (3)
File:Sonichu 16 page-46.jpeg | Page 44 (4)
File:Sonichu 16 page-47.jpeg | Page 45 (5)
File:Sonichu 16 page-48.jpeg | Page 46 (6)
File:Sonichu 16 page-49.jpeg | Page 47
File:Sonichu 16 page-50.jpeg | Page 48
File:Sonichu 16 page-51.jpeg | Page 49
File:Sonichu 16 page-52.jpeg | Page 50
File:Sonichu 16 page-53.jpeg | Page 51 (1)
File:Sonichu 16 page-54.jpeg | Page 52 (2)
File:Sonichu 16 page-55.jpeg | Page 53 (3)
File:Sonichu 16 page-56.jpeg | Page 54
File:Sonichu 16 page-57.jpeg | Page 55
File:Sonichu 16 page-58.jpeg | Page 56
File:Sonichu 16 page-59.jpeg | Page 57
File:Sonichu 16 page-60.jpeg | Page 58
File:Sonichu 16 page-61.jpeg | Page 59
File:Sonichu 16 page-62.jpeg | Page 60
File:Sonichu 16 page-63.jpeg | Page 61
File:Sonichu 16 page-64.jpeg | Page 62
File:Sonichu16PreviewPage6.jpg | Page 63 (6)
File:Sonichu 16 page-66.jpeg | Page 64
File:Sonichu 16 page-67.jpeg | Page 65
File:Sonichu 16 page-68.jpeg | Page 66
File:Sonichu 16 page-69.jpeg | Page 67 (3)
File:Sonichu 16 page-70.jpeg | Page 68 (4)
File:Sonichu 16 page-71.jpeg | Page 69 (5)
File:Sonichu 16 page-72.jpeg | Page 70 (6)
File:Sonichu 16 page-73.jpeg | Page 71 (6)
File:Sonichu 16 page-74.jpeg | Page 72
File:Sonichu 16 page-75.jpeg | Page 73
File:Sonichu 16 page-76.jpeg | Page 74
File:The Awakening of a CPU Page 1.jpg | Page 75 (A)
File:The Awakening of a CPU Page 2.jpg | Page 76 (B)
File:The Awakening of a CPU Page 3.jpg | Page 77 (C)
File:The Awakening of a CPU Page 4.jpg | Page 78 (D)
</center></gallery>


==References==
==References==
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{{Fantasies}}
[[Category:Concepts influenced by Idea Guy]]

Latest revision as of 16:44, 13 September 2020

According to Sonichu #13, Bob Chandler and serial killer Ted Bundy are in fact half-Sonichus, who live in Chris's fantasy world following their respective deaths.

Raising the bar of complicated storytelling previous set by its predecessor, on 3 August 2018, Chris completed Sonichu #13, which encompasses a variety of lores and historical/political references spoonfed by the Idea Guys. The issue will remain forever inconsistent; however, this article seeks to analyze Sonichu #13 as completely as possible and provide an aid for readers attempting to comprehend the issue.

Story

As per the previous issue, Chris's opening disclaimer for #13 states that all events portrayed in the story actually happened, either in 1218 or C-197 (as later designated), no matter how bizarre. As real life Chris is recounting his experiences as the narrator, this issue is a pseudo-autobiography.

[Prior to Sonichu 12-9, Chris used a Mary Sue comic book version of himself to depict exaggerated versions of real life events. This was childish but relatively harmless compared to Chris's current approach: his fragile mental health makes him believe that he has embarked on multiple adventures like a Saturday morning cartoon protagonist]

[The Idea Guys successfully manipulated Chris by a number of techniques including roleplaying as various characters (certain interactions such as arguments are documented in the comic - page 20) as well as recordings such as Red Forest]. They incorporated a number of edgy topics. According to Joshua Wise, he wanted to feed Chris concepts more interesting than those in 12-9 (Q&A). In a more disturbing aspect, Chris narrates multiple times that he offended certain characters for trivial offences (showcasing the Idea Guys' abuse) - page 20, 22, 25,]

From November 2017 onwards, not long after first contact with the Idea Guys, Chris started posting delusional scenarios on his social media, heavily indicative of an external influence on his behavior.[references to HN, nazis etc or examples in paragraph] Behind the scenes, Chris contemporaneously incorporated many of these scenarios into his ongoing comic; thus, the comic may serve as a reference to Chris's interactions with the Idea Guys – especially when he was instilled with particular delusions.

Issue #13 is separated into several loose story arcs, but ties together into one large narrative. Despite bearing the subtitle of The Awakening of a CPU aka The Idea Guy Corruptions, Chris's CPU Blue Heart persona and the Idea Guys are only addressed in the epilogue of the story, which was added four months after the main body of the comic was finished. The unofficial chapters are as follows:


Regardless of the removal of the Idea Guys in April 2018 [check date], Chris later stated that #13 remains canon and still occurred. [find source]

Plot elements

Hyperdimension Neptunia

  • Cave
  • Neptune
  • Nepgear
  • I.F.
  • Blanc
  • Segami
  • C-Sha

My Little Pony

  • Discord aids Chris in sending Kurome to Zero Dimension
  • Night Star aids Chris in above
  • Night Star accidentally creates many clones of Evil Chris

Nazis

  • E115 element used to create three medallions
  • Satan-possessed Chris uses medallion to empower Hitler

Hardcore Henry

  • Akan supporting the Russians

Payday

  • Cloakers
  • Yamada funds CWCville through Payday heist scores.

Politcs

  • Russian invasion
  • Chris/blanc's discussion of Trump vs Hillary

CWC lore

  • Chaotic combo go their separate ways and find new faiths
  • Rosechu revealed to be transgender
  • Jamsta put on trial for molesting Punchy - found not guilty
  • Revealed that Sonichus/Rosechus do not die but are re-hatched from eggs in the exact same position they previously hatched (does not take into account that C-197 Earth moves within the universe though). Memories are retained. Silvana, Simonla, Zepina (maybe), and Robertchu's rebirths are portrayed (page 32)

Misc.

  • Chris's "Anuu cheeki breeki" Cherokean Chant was also depicted in a video (page 30)

Timeline of social media posts vs Sonichu 13

[Image timeline of Sonichu 13 events here]

Story seems to jump back in time to December after this point

  • 17 December 2017 - Chris renounces Christianity (page 30)
  • 21 December 2017 - Nazis forced back (page 31)

Annotated comic pages

The glaring issue with Sonichu #13 is that Chris was especially keen on ignoring the "show, don't tell" rule of media. Despite being the fifteenth issue of a comic book series, a significant portion of the comic presents its series of events in paragraphs of text, with relevant illustrations accompanying on the sides.

In the epilogue, Chris shelves the comic panel style for a literary prose

The following gallery contains the pages for Sonichu #13 with brief details of each page for clarity:

  • Front and back Cover

  • Front cover

  • Disclaimer

  • Title

  • Title (Idea Guys disclaimer)

  • Page 1

  • Page 2

  • Page 3

  • Page 4

  • Page 5

  • Page 6

  • Page 7

  • Page 8

  • Page 9

  • Page 10

  • Page 11

  • Page 12

  • Page 13

  • Page 14

  • Page 15

  • Page 16

  • Page 17

  • Page 18

  • Page 19

  • Page 20

  • Page 21

  • Page 22

  • Page 23 (22.1)

  • Page 24 (22.2)

  • Page 25 (23)

  • Page 26 (24)

  • Page 27 (25)

  • Page 28 (26)

  • Page 29 (27)

  • Page 30 (28)

  • Page 31 (29)

  • Page 32 (30)

  • Page 33 (31)

  • Page 34 (32)

  • Page 35 (33)

  • Page 36 (34)

  • Page 37 (35)

  • Page 38 (36)

  • Page 39 (37)

  • Page 40 (38)

  • Page 41 (1)

  • Page 42 (2)

  • Page 43 (3)

  • Page 44 (4)

  • Page 45 (5)

  • Page 46 (6)

  • Page 47

  • Page 48

  • Page 49

  • Page 50

  • Page 51 (1)

  • Page 52 (2)

  • Page 53 (3)

  • Page 54

  • Page 55

  • Page 56

  • Page 57

  • Page 58

  • Page 59

  • Page 60

  • Page 61

  • Page 62

  • Page 63 (6)

  • Page 64

  • Page 65

  • Page 66

  • Page 67 (3)

  • Page 68 (4)

  • Page 69 (5)

  • Page 70 (6)

  • Page 71 (6)

  • Page 72

  • Page 73

  • Page 74

  • Page 75 (A)

  • Page 76 (B)

  • Page 77 (C)

  • Page 78 (D)

References

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