|Name||Joshua Allen Wise|
|Also known as||Ballzymaker94|
|Date of Birth||19 August 1994 (age 24)|
|Also known as||NinFreakLan|
|Date of Birth||5 February 1993 (age 26)|
The Idea Guys were a group of trolls who influenced Chris to add historical references, politically incorrect themes, and Internet memes into his comic, social media posts, and videos. Their aim was likely to see how gullible Chris was, and how little he understands about the world.
Initially thought to be the act of just Joshua Wise, in May of 2018, it was suggested by Chris that there may have been more than one Idea Guy involved. It was later found that Stephen Boyd, as well as two other trolls, were found to be working with Wise. Although Wise was exposed in January 2018, the Idea Guys were only removed from power around May 2018.
Due to their tactics including gaslighting Chris, threatening to falsely claim he was a pedophile to the FBI, and extorting him out of thousands of dollars, the Idea Guys are some of the most controversial figures in Christory, perhaps even moreso than BlueSpike.
- 1 Identities
- 2 Behind the scenes
- 3 Changes to Chris's fantasy land/sense of reality
- 3.1 Hyperdimension Neptunia
- 3.2 Nazi CWCville
- 3.3 CWCville elections
- 3.4 Trans Rosechu
- 3.5 Residents of the CWCville dimension
- 3.6 Real people
- 3.7 Chris trying to meet an anime girl IRL
- 3.8 Chris abandoning Christianity for Hyperdimension Neptunia
- 3.9 Marrying Chris to Cryzel Rosechu and Magi-Chan
- 3.10 Chris liking flat-chested women
- 3.11 Turning Chris bisexual
- 3.12 Making Chris into a prostitute
- 3.13 Other content
- 4 Gallery of leaked content
- 5 See also
- 6 References
Midway through November 2017, observers began speculating that a new troll had gained control over Chris. This was because Chris's posts began to include references designed to go over his head. On 14 November, he wrote that Silvana had been captured by a Russian billionaire, and posted a photo of the soldier who would be rescuing her. This was recognized by spectators as a reference to the politically incorrect "Remove Kebab" internet meme. That same day, Chris recorded Freestyle Dance With Me, For Our World! while wearing a tinfoil hat to prevent "the man" from reading his mind. These suspicions of a troll wouldn't be confirmed to the public, however, until January 2018.
Joshua Allen Wise
—Joshua Wise gloats, pretending to be an outside observer.
On 22 January 2018, moderators at Kiwi Farms decided to dox Joshua Allen Wise, known on the forum as Ballzymaker94, as being the Idea Guy. This came two days after the release of Get Out, You D*** Nazis, which most posters rightfully assumed had been made unwillingly. With his doxing, Kiwi Farms users began digging through Wise's online presence, finding posts on the forum and Reddit in which he white knighted himself from criticism. He also attempted to publicize Chris's Idea Guy content in other communities. For example, in one post from 20 January 2018, he writes:
|He's made Chris dance to his rhythm, and will continue to pull the strings until he gives up and tells us his tricks [...] or he'll [...] not give up a thing and leave even more people pissed that we learned nothing about why he did all this, or how he even made it possible.|
Even after being exposed, he continued responding to private messages on the forum, until he and close family were doxxed. At the time, it was believed that Joshua had been acting alone. So, he was referred to as the sole Idea Guy. When similar content continued being produced post-dox however, observers began to suspect others' involvement, dubbing the new troll "Idea Guy 2.0".
—Stephen Boyd, months before being exposed as an Idea Guy.
On 11 July 2018, it was revealed by Kiwi Farms owner Null that Wise had never stopped, and that there had actually been three more Idea Guys. This revelation occurred after Chris allowed Null to enter his Discord account and view their collective chat logs. One of these newly identified Idea Guys was Stephen Boyd, who went by the name NinFreakLan on Kiwi Farms. Prior to being exposed, Boyd participated in threads speculating the identity of the supposed "Idea Guy 2.0". When it was noted that this supposed new troll had begun trolling only a day after Wise had been doxxed, Boyd responded:
|But what kinda person would go back to doing this immediately after being doxed? It doesn't properly add up for Cunt Nugget to be Josh. Maybe Chris told Idea Guy 2.0 everything|
Because of the discovery of his involvement, it seems extremely likely that Boyd only became involved after Wise had been exposed. Leaked private messages to other Kiwi Farms members seem to indicate that Wise had been searching for a partner in crime; Boyd may have noticed and reached out. Perhaps unsurprisingly, after Wise was doxxed, Boyd began white knighting him, comparing his weening to Marvin and Clyde Cash. Stephen wouldn't be exposed himself until 6 months later.
|A doxx does seem a little extreme. I mean would we have done the same to Clyde Cash or Marvin for stupid shit they did in the past to generate Chris chimping when this is LESS than that?|
Other Idea Guys
The last two Idea Guys mentioned by Null have had their identities kept secret. Null stated that he spared them due to both contributing very little to the trolling effort and dropping out very early on. The only known information about them is that one of them is Canadian, and the other is Chinese.
Behind the scenes
While under Wise's control, Chris himself kept quiet about the situation, never implying that anyone was taking control of him. However, the many references that he did not understand were a clear sign of external influence. There were also signs that Chris was coerced or duped into using Wise's ideas, as he appeared uncomfortable in Wise-inspired videos and is often alarmed by the troll's "revelations" about Chris's fictional world.
Rise to power
Some believed that the Idea Guy simply paid Chris. However, fans quickly determined that this was unlikely. The closest anyone came to paying Chris to influence CWCville was when Waterman paid him $100 to feature his Bananasauros character in Sonichu #11, even providing a script, and Chris reacted by openly mocking Waterman and his character in the very pages of the comic, rushing through the plotline and then promptly disregarding the character. Furthermore, whenever people pay Chris for content, he has an established habit of dragging his feet and putting as little effort as he possibly can into the product. Examples of this include Paid Video Requests and his treatment of high-end clients such as DStecks and Ashuraglitch.
In marked contrast, Chris appeared to genuinely believe Wise, thinking he was talking to his friends, as evidenced when he freaked out over the revelation of Rosechu being transgender. The Man in the Pickle Suit also speculated that Wise posed as various characters from CWCville. This was confirmed when Kiwi Farms users who Wise had contacted in private leaked the details of his methods.
Extent of influence over Chris
Wise's means of influencing Chris were surprisingly elaborate, taking the form of fake audio clips and photoshopped images which he presented to Chris as documents from CWCville and Gamindustri. Wise initially played the role of a soldier from Gamindustri named John.
The Kiwi Farms leaks also revealed a large amount of content that Chris made during the saga without releasing publicly, including several pages of Sonichu #16 covering the events Wise described to him. The pages show "John" – depicted in a gas mask and body armor from the S.T.A.L.K.E.R. games – asking (real-world) Chris whether he still owns his Dreamcast, which John believes to be a portal to CWCville. In a page-and-a-half wall of text, Chris summarizes his adventures with John and the Hyperdimension Neptunia cast, and the salvation of Gamindustri and CWCville from the invaders.
Wise told Chris that Magi-Chan had a vision that Crystal would be born from Chris anally raping Sonichu; despite so blatantly going against Chris's beliefs and wishes, the message was convincing enough that Chris drew a horrifying piece of artwork depicting the act, where Comic Chris apologizes to Sonichu but insists that "destiny called us to make this baby".
Wise also duped Chris into believing he would receive various magical abilities in real life. This apparently emboldened Chris to begin making plans to travel to meet the creator of Rosechu's Story and to confront Cole Smithey in New York, possibly with the help of magic powers that he expected to receive. According to the leaker, Wise actually did the responsible thing in these cases and convinced Chris not to go. However, he also told Chris that Neptune would be waiting to meet him at a GameStop; Chris went, specifically, to the Forest Lakes GameStop (from which he had been banned) and waited outside in his car, honking his horn and peering inside.
Despite the Idea Guys being removed from power in May 2018, Chris still maintains belief in many of the concepts that were embedded into him, even though he is aware that Wise was a troll. In the Copitz interview, filmed a few weeks later, Chris restated that he was bisexual, and in the Count Dankula interview, filmed in June, Chris reiterated many of the ideas fed to him about CWCville when asked about his beliefs, such as his marriage to Cryzel and Magi-Chan, Bob being part-Sonichu and theories about Ted Bundy. In Nightstar is a very important Special Sonichu, Chris still believes in the joke revision that there are 69 species of Sonichus/Rosechus.
—Null describing the Idea Guys' sadistic exploitation of Chris.
What was the final straw in the unpopular views of the Idea Guys were their acts of extortion to Chris. Null, the owner of Kiwi Farms, revealed that they managed to extort $6,000 worth of video games and other accessories. Not only that, in a Discord chat, Boyd would demand $20,000 or else he would reveal that Chris is a pedophile to the FBI. Fortunately, Chris's tendency to hold on to things obsessively assisted him this time, as Chris had kept each of the invoices and receipts from the transactions he made, allowing Null to gather the necessary information to begin tracking the Idea Guys.
Removal from power
In May of 2018, Null was informed by Anna McLerran that the Idea Guys had maintained control over Chris, and were actively extorting him. She neglected to inform law enforcement, however, so she could focus on her college finals, before she eventually refused to help Null any further. Eventually, Chris gave Null direct access to his Discord account, so he (and other Kiwi Farms staff) could collect all of the logs, images and videos from the Idea Guys' servers. While this information wouldn't be released until July, Chris referenced their removal from power as early as May. In reference to Null, Chris stated publicly that he had "very Powerful Allies helping to rectify the situation. I can't say much other than certain people should be Very Frightened right now!"
Changes to Chris's fantasy land/sense of reality
Below are summaries of changes attributed to the Idea Guys.
Throughout November, Chris made several posts, some accompanied by drawings, on being possessed by Hyperdimension Neptunia goddess Uzume Tennouboshi and an invasion of CWCville by enemy forces from the Neptunia video games.
A day after the "Freestyle Dance", Chris described in detail how Silvana had been saved in a military conflict titled Operation BARBarossa, thinking the name was meant to be a clever nod towards his mother. The post was littered with references to World War II, particularly on actions by Nazi Germany, such as "prison camps full of large ovens" built on CWCville soil.
Days later, Chris expanded on the new CWCville lore, giving the names of the prison camps. He also warned that CWCville's supply of U.S. money had been tainted with a virus – a concept borrowed from the video game Tom Clancy's The Division – and encouraged travelers to use "Cwcsmarts" instead – a name slightly reminiscent of Nazi (and Weimar) Germany's "Reichsmark". Later, he mentioned that CWCville's ZIP Code had been changed from its previous Mexican designation to one in Germany, near the picturesque village of Birkenau, not to be confused with the WWII death camp Auschwitz-Birkenau, which operated in German-occupied Poland - As expected, Chris failed to notice this error by Idea Guy, and so the abuse continued.
Two weeks after the BARBarossa post, Chris had noticed speculation that he had fallen in with the Nazi crowd, and took offense to it, insisting that the ideas had come from Count Graduon.
On 26 December, the Idea Guy informed Chris that citizens of CWCville who refused to accept SLGBTQ formed a homophobic klan and attacked the CWCville Mall, and rioted after the trial of Jamsta for molesting Punchy Sonichu. In the same message, he mentioned that the TrollBusters have been reformed into the "CWCstapo", an obvious (though lost on Chris) reference to the Gestapo, the secret police of Nazi Germany, to "be better at stopping criminals". The update contains the line "A police state is a Country run by CRIMINALS", a quote from Fatherland, a novel set in an alternate timeline in which Nazi Germany won World War II.
A few weeks later, on 16 January, Chris was told that the MLP doll he had customized to his image was, in fact, bugged by Nazis. He took vengeance by smashing it to pieces on camera. A few days later, Chris destroyed his Christmas tree and a photo of Hulk Hogan in Get Out, You D*** Nazis! for the same reason.
On 26 November, Chris broke his longstanding policy barring elections in CWCville by announcing that the position of mayor was up for election. The mayoral candidates included several notorious historical figures, Russian president Vladimir Putin, actor Brendan Fraser, Ian Brandon Anderson and Payday 2 character Bob McKendrick. Incumbent Allison Amber did not run for reelection. Chris himself endorsed McKendrick, due to him sharing a name with his father, with a slogan ripped off from Pmurt's "Make America Great Again".
Brendan Fraser won the mayoral election and took office sometime in December; Ian Brandon Anderson won the vote for chief of police but Chris has yet to confirm that he has taken office.
A distraught Chris posted to Facebook and Twitter in early December, saying that Rosechu had informed him that she was actually transgender, and had a penis up until the events of Sonichu #8, at which point she underwent advanced gender-reassignment surgery to become "Fully Woman" and enable her to give birth to her children.
Chris, agitated about the prospect of altering his canon in such a significant way, put up a poll to ask fans whether Rosechu should stay trans or be retconned back to his original concept of her being female from birth, pointing out that Rosechu being trans would hurt him and that the other option would hurt her. This reaction was seen by spectators as trans-shaming towards Rosechu, who he believes to be real in another dimension. In essence, Chris wants to be accepted as trans, added a ten-year-old trans-female to his comic, and forced Rosechu and the gang to fully accept and love Chris for coming out – but refuses to believe Rosechu herself could possibly be trans.
Residents of the CWCville dimension
With the revelation that the Nazis have taken Cwcville, it is also revealed that pre-tomgirl Chris in the comic was an from an alternate timeline, where he was whisked into the past by the Nazis. Every atrocity committed by Chris is also revealed to be the actions of Nazi Chris. He was then killed by tomgirl Chris with a swift kick to the testicles.
Magi-Chan foretold of a prophecy in which Crystal would be born by Chris mating with Sonichu. He also informed Chris that if this was drawn, he wouldn't have to do it in real life. Chris complied.
Sonichu #15, a book Chris had wanted to use for a modern retelling of Sonichu #0 prior to his known interactions with the Idea Guys, has significant alterations to the canon of the comics. Sonichu's new birthday is given as April 20th, or "4/20" – representing the slang term "420", but also coinciding with Adolf Hitler's birthday and the anniversary of the Columbine massacre.
Another change in birthday is for Magi-chan, which was changed to 14 November, 1948 - the joke being that this made him 69 years old - making him the oldest Sonichu in the comic. It is also the same birthdate of Prince Charles, the current heir apparent to the British throne.
Halfway through December, Chris exclaimed that Silvana had been lost in the past, but that there was a way to bring her back if his followers would "BELIEVE In Silvana Rosechu, and her Fullest Existence in Cwcville, Virginia, USA, Of All Timelines, Worlds and Dimensions!". She was revived in a new form, with her old one destroyed.
After Wise was outed, Chris resumed uploading pages for Sonichu #12-9. In it, jokes and references inserted by the Idea Guys survived: Night Star and Diamond Melody order a hotdog from a Tesco merchant (Tesco had a scandal involving selling beef with horse meat to customers). Night Star also rambles about her age, giving references to Gears of War.
Similarly, in-progress work on Sonichu 14 shows Chris still using Wise's suggestions.
Partial pages of Sonichu 16 were posted by Kiwi Farms users whom Wise had confided in, the plot of which involves his explanation on how he got access to Chris and the nightmarish state of CWCville he had described to him. Chris retained the story after the Idea Guys were ousted, however, his allies suggested that he avoid publishing the issue.
Theories on Ted Bundy
Chris stated several wild theories about serial killer Ted Bundy during the Count Dankula interview.
Sonichu genealogy for Chris, Bob and Ted Bundy
This idea was implanted into Chris prior to Josh Wise being doxed in January 2018; Chris maintained belief in this even after the Idea Guys had been finally removed from power in May 2018, bringing it up in June 2018 during the Count Dankula interview.
Ted Bundy as a Sonichu
Chris trying to meet an anime girl IRL
Chris abandoning Christianity for Hyperdimension Neptunia
Marrying Chris to Cryzel Rosechu and Magi-Chan
- Main article: Cryzel and Magi-Chan
Chris began a polyamorous relationship with fictional characters Cryzel Rosechu and Magi-Chan on 26 March 2018. Eventually, Chris declared himself to be bisexual after having had Magi-Chan as a boyfriend.
Strangely, Chris continued to hold onto this delusion even after the Idea Guys were removed from power.
Chris liking flat-chested women
Early in April, Chris posted a drawing commemorating flat-chested women, depicting himself as flat-chested instead of with the usual comically-large breasts.
Turning Chris bisexual
On 10 April 2018, Chris came out as bisexual, saying he had done so after discussion with Cryzel and Magi-Chan. Days later, he uploaded a disturbing video, Dick Licker; that is I., in which he licked an image of Magi-Chan's penis drawn on a wall (and was comfortable enough to mention that he had given oral sex to Magi-Chan to a Twitter ween.). He also updated his Facebook to note that he is a bisexual transwoman, "interested in men and women".
A clue as to how Chris was manipulated into a belief that went against his hard stance of being a lesbian is in a quote from a set of bizarre tweets Chris posted on 17 April:
Kun T'Nyuget was an Idea Guys character planted into CWCville in January. It fits with the Idea Guys' pattern of manipulating Chris by altering CWCville via role-playing and Chris believing it.
Making Chris into a prostitute
On 24 April 2018, Chris announced:
|Anyone living locally to me in Virginia, or visiting in Charlottesville, I’ll give y’all BJs for money too. Serious.|
A Twitter ween DM'd Chris about it. In the conversation, Chris said:
|Consider me a beginner with experience blowing my loving boyfriend, willing to learn and adapt further. $50 for that BJ from this celeb; if he wants butt sex, that will be $100. Cash only.|
Chris told Twitter fan Tings Tingz that he was indeed serious about prostituting himself, had several offers, but had not taken on any customers. When asked if he would consider, Chris responded, "a little from Column 'A' and the latter from Column 'B'".
Chris disavowed the prostitution messages on 7 May 2018, saying he had been coerced. He went further on 25 May, saying he had been forced to write such things, and that the people responsible for it – one from California and another from Kentucky – "know who They Are and their Day is Coming and Rightfully SOON!".
On 7 December, Chris posted a "dark" Pokémon fan theory, lamenting that Pokémon are kept in suspended animation with "NO Simulated Fields made from Virtual Reality! NO Living Room Apartment Setting! NOTHING! Suspended Animation in Dark".
On 11 December, Chris performed a supposed "Cherokean Chant", which in fact involved mimicking the "squatting Slav" meme and reciting Internet meme quotes from the S.T.A.L.K.E.R. video game series, all while drunk on half a fifth of vodka.
On 21 April 2018, Chris recorded I’m Sorry for Ruining so many Fandoms.
In November and December, Chris drew what he believed to be artwork featuring Sailor Moon characters conversing with his comic counterpart in foreign languages. However, he was actually tricked into writing "I am carrying a penis", among other things, in Japanese.
A month later, more "translated" art was posted, this one featuring the SS motto as well as German lines from the video games Brothers in Arms and Wolfenstein: The New Order. In addition, Chris tried to write the "I am carrying a penis" line again, although he accidentally wrote it with a typo.
The German translations in particular put Chris's naïveté on full display, with some of the German dialogue featuring words such as "Zebra", "Evolution" and "Universum", which are similar or identical to English counterparts that are obviously absent in the supposed translations, yet he was none the wiser.
Gallery of leaked content
- Main article: Sonichu 16
Sonichu #16 or The Awakening of a CPU as re-titled by Chris is an issue which was heavily directed by the Idea Guy trolls. It features a story on how one of their fictional troll characters, John Yamada, came to influence Chris, and covers an incoherent series of plot threads involving material from existing fictional universes and real-world politics of interest to the Idea Guys.
As Ballzymaker94, Wise had contacted several members of Kiwi Farms through private messaging to discuss his trolling efforts. After he was doxed by the site's moderators on 22 January 2018, many users came forward to post content that he had shared with them.
He hadn't shared all of his content over PM, however, generally only summarizing his interactions with Chris. After he was exposed, he offered to trade in all of his information in exchange for the moderators removing the dox of his family members. They refused, however, on the grounds that they disliked his public trolling output. Below is a gallery of some of the conversations leaked between Wise and various members of Kiwi Farms.
Idea Guy Q&A
- Main article: Idea Guy Q&A
One user from the forum had a lengthy conversation with him, spanning from 3 December to 18 December 2017, archived in the Idea Guy Q&A. In it, Wise discusses how he had gained Chris’s trust, how Chris reacted to some of his ideas and mentions content which had not been publicly released, such as Chris wanting intel on whether Jessica Quinn was actually a troll, how Chris tried to prevent Jamsta from being jailed for molestation and Chris’s attempts to interact with Neptunia goddesses.
The Bad Beginning
- Main article: The Bad Beginning
Despite Wise being doxxed, the Idea Guys refused to quit. On 19 July, Null posted the first 9 hour and 15 minute long text conversation found in the Idea Guys' Discord server. It takes place between 8 April and 9 April; 3 months after Wise had been doxxed. Here, it's revealed that they had manipulated Chris into believing he was a pedophile prior to the server's creation. They then threaten to expose him if he doesn't pay them $20,000. Included in this log is a video of Chris apologizing to Boyd (under his nickname, Gwen).
|Stardate||8 April 2018|
- Main article: Cryzel Torture
On 13 July, 2018, Null revealed a nine-hour-long chatlog where Wise and Stephen Boyd berate Chris and continue to convince him that his characters were being tortured. Notably, despite the fact that Chris knew about Idea Guy, he was utterly convinced (again) that everything he said was true. It was also during this Discord session that Chris would upload his first (safe for work) rendition of "All Star". This conversation begins on 20 April 2018.
- Main article: Twitter#Leaks
Throughout 2018, Chris-Chan's Twitter account was hacked several times by an unknown individual who claimed to be associated with the Idea Guys. The reason why this is up for debate is because it seems more likely that they were being posted by Lukas of the Teen Troon Squad, using the Idea Guys as a red herring. It's unknown how Boyd or Wise would have gained access to the account, as these leaks occurred long after they were taken out of power. The leak also included footage that was later leaked in full by Lukas onto /cow/, making their involvement all the more likely. Regardless of who actually leaked the videos, Chris himself believed it to be the work of Boyd and Wise, subsequently calling them out by name in a tweet afterwards.
- May 2018 social media posts#Calling out the weens
- May 2018 social media posts#On the Cryzel and Magi-Chan relationship and being blackmailed
- November 2017 Facebook posts
- November 2017 tweets#Updates on prison camps & reality
- December 2017 Facebook posts#Jamsta molested Punchy
- Idea Guy Q&A
- November 2017 tweets#CWCville mayoral election
- November 2017 tweets#CWCville Chief of Police election
- December 2017 Facebook posts#Is Rosechu a transwoman?
- December 2017 Facebook posts#Silvana lost in the past
- January 2018 Facebook posts#Mewtwo and Magi-Chan married
- November 2017 Patreon posts
- July 2018 social media posts
- April 2018 social media posts
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- April 2018 social media posts#Chris's Twitter controlled by troll
- File:TingsTingz concern for the prostitution message.jpg
- December 2017 Facebook posts#What it's like in a Pokeball
- November 2017 Patreon posts#Chris writes about dicks, thinks it's his signature
- December 2017 Facebook posts#"Translated" Sailor Moon drawings
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