|“||Where were you when #IdeaGuy embezzled $6,000.00 from me back in 2018, while holding C-197 under Nazi torture and mind-manipulated the CPUs and SEGA Hard Girls?
I Wish I could undo his Freaking Embezzling!
|“||Idea Guy is like glitter. We're gonna be finding bits of him in Chris's ramblings for years.||”|
|A Kiwi Farms commentator|
|Name||Joshua Allen Wise|
|Also known as||Ballzymaker94|
|Date of Birth||19 August 1994 (age 26)|
|Also known as||NinFreakLan|
|Date of Birth||5 February 1993 (age 28)|
The Idea Guys were a group of four trolls: Joshua Wise, Stephen Boyd, and two anonymous followers. Together, they manipulated, extorted, and brainwashed Chris from October 2017 to April 2018. Initially, their aim was to see how gullible Chris was, but this soon degenerated into taking advantage of him financially and coercing him into performing many degrading acts, including some that would put BlueSpike to shame.
They are known for exploiting Chris’s escapist fantasies in order to plant their own ideas into his mind, and altered his sense of reality to an extreme degree. This abuse prompted a group of Kiwi Farms users, dubbed the Guard Dogs, to work together to dismantle the Idea Guys' schemes and pushed for them to face legal action. Thanks to their efforts, the Idea Guys' link to Chris was cut by late April 2018. However, authorities never looked into the matter and declined to do so.
Despite their removal, the Idea Guys' potent hold over Chris has led to lasting effects. To this day, Chris has retained many of the concepts they had influenced him into believing, such as changes to Sonichu canon, a polyamorous marriage, and his role in ushering in the Dimensional Merge as a goddess. As such, the Idea Guys have effectively had the greatest impact on Chris's psyche and personal life out of any trolls since the days of The Miscreants and are objectively the most successful trolls in that regard.
- 1 Prelude
- 2 Brainwashing Chris
- 3 Psychological torment
- 4 Extortion
- 5 Removal from power
- 6 Lingering influence
- 7 Idea Guy Q&A
- 8 Identities
- 9 Gallery
- 10 See also
- 11 References
Chris's fantasy world had been ripe for exploitation in the lead-up to the Idea Guys' interactions with him. Years before, the Asperpedia Four manipulated Chris into killing off Simonla Rosechu in the comics. The Miscreants had also told Chris to name a character Vulva Pie - when he found out what the word meant, he was upset that he had been tricked but felt obligated to maintain Vulva Pie's name in canon.
Furthermore, Chris's reliance on his fantasy world as a coping mechanism for his real-world life had been increasing, evidenced when he believed he was dancing with Magi-Chan, one of his imaginary friends, during the 2017 BronyCon, which occurred only two months prior to Joshua Wise beginning contact with him.
The terrible reign of the original Idea Guy started in late October 2017, not very long after Chris's breakup with Jessica Quinn left his heart shattered. Joshua Wise began contacting Chris around this time and got him interested in the Hyperdimension Neptunia series, which Chris already knew about. Wise specifically got him to watch the anime adaptation, which ended up playing into Chris's existing preconceptions about reality and his belief that fictional worlds are alternate dimensions with the world of Gamindustri. From there, Wise began a series of experiments in seeing how poor Chris's grasp on reality really was, which – unbeknownst to either – would have a profound effect on his life.
Rise to power
|“||[Chris] tried to say "oh, well, I'm the creator, [messing with CWCville] is a pretty common thing trolls try to do, so I'm going to use my magical creator powers to fix it".
And [the Idea Guys] said "nah, didn't work, so-and-so undid your attempt". Chris' response was basically "dang".
|Guard Dog Marvin on the extent of the Idea Guys' control over Chris's psyche.|
Wise's means of influencing Chris were surprisingly elaborate, taking the form of fake audio clips, such as Red Forest, and photoshopped images which he presented to Chris as documents from CWCville and Gamindustri. Wise initially played the role of a soldier from Gamindustri named John.
Changes to Chris's fantasy land/sense of reality
- Main article: List of beliefs brainwashed into Chris
Sonichu #13 (originally Sonichu 16), or The Awakening of a CPU, as re-titled by Chris, is an issue heavily directed by the Idea Guy trolls. It features a story on how one of their fictional troll characters, John Yamada, came to influence Chris, and covers an incoherent series of plot threads involving material from existing fictional universes and real-world politics of interest to the Idea Guys.
The Kiwi Farms leaks also revealed a large amount of content that Chris made during the saga without releasing publicly, including several pages of Sonichu #16 covering the events Wise described to him. The pages show "John" – depicted in a gas mask and body armor from the S.T.A.L.K.E.R. games – asking (real-world) Chris whether he still owns his Dreamcast, which John believes to be a portal to CWCville. In a page-and-a-half wall of text, Chris summarizes his adventures with John and the Hyperdimension Neptunia cast, and the salvation of Gamindustri and CWCville from the invaders.
Wise told Chris that Magi-Chan had a vision that Crystal would be born from Chris anally raping Sonichu; despite so blatantly going against Chris's beliefs and wishes, the message was convincing enough that Chris drew a horrifying piece of artwork depicting the act, where Comic Chris apologizes to Sonichu but insists that "destiny called us to make this baby".
Wise also duped Chris into believing he would receive various magical abilities in real life. This apparently emboldened Chris to begin making plans to travel to meet the creator of Rosechu's Story and to confront Cole Smithey in New York, possibly with the help of magic powers that he expected to receive. According to the leaker, Wise actually did the responsible thing in these cases and convinced Chris not to go. However, he also told Chris that Neptune would be waiting to meet him at a GameStop; Chris went, specifically, to the Forest Lakes GameStop (from which he had been banned) and waited outside in his car, honking his horn and peering inside.
While under Wise's control, Chris himself kept quiet about the situation, never implying that anyone was taking control of him. However, the many references that he did not understand were a clear sign of external influence. There were also signs that Chris was coerced or duped into using Wise's ideas, as he appeared uncomfortable in Wise-inspired videos and is often alarmed by the troll's "revelations" about Chris's fictional world.
|“||So naturally once they have Chris believing that, they have Chris confessing to being a pedophile and raping his mother. Once they have those confessions, they threaten to release it to the public if he doesn't record himself shitting on the floor and punching himself in the face until tears and snot are running down his chin. At one point, they ask Chris to punch his mother, which he does (though he claims lightly).||”|
|Null describing the Idea Guys' sadistic exploitation of Chris.|
|“||BlueSpike was a literal child when he went too far. What excuse do YOU have f****t.||”|
|A Kiwi Farms commentator|
The final straw in the unpopular views of the Idea Guys were their acts of extortion to Chris. Null, the owner of Kiwi Farms, revealed that they managed to extort $6,000 worth of video games and other accessories: not only that, Boyd also demanded $20,000 during a Discord chat, or else he would report Chris as a pedophile to the FBI. When the Idea Guys threatened to destroy CWCville, Chris withheld a mortgage payment to save his fictional setting, nearly causing the so-called “Homeless Saga” in May 2018.
Fortunately, Chris's tendency to hold on to things obsessively assisted him this time, as Chris had kept each of the invoices and receipts from the transactions he made, allowing Null to gather the necessary information to begin tracking the Idea Guys.
Removal from power
- Main article: The Chris-Chan Extortionists
In April 2018, The Captain was informed by Anna McLerran that the Idea Guys had maintained control over Chris, and were actively extorting him. She neglected to inform law enforcement, however, so she could focus on her college finals, before she eventually refused to help any further. Eventually, Chris gave The Captain direct access to his Discord account, so he and the other Guard Dogs could collect all of the logs, images and videos from the Idea Guys' servers. While this information wouldn't be released until July, Chris referenced their removal from power as early as May. In reference to Null, Chris stated publicly that he had "very Powerful Allies helping to rectify the situation. I can't say much other than certain people should be Very Frightened right now!"
|“||If you want BAD DIRECTION, you should look up Idea Guy.||”|
|Chris, in the middle of restating his belief that he is married to Cryzel and Magi-Chan, an Idea Guy concept|
Despite the Idea Guys being removed from power in May 2018, the damage to Chris’s sense of reality was immense. Chris, even though aware of the Idea Guys’ malevolence, continues to believe in many of their concepts – the most notable being the Dimensional Merge, which he believes will magically solve the Financhu Crisis, and bring CWCville/C-197 and all fictional characters to life. Other concepts that Chris still hold on to include his bisexuality, his polyamorous marriage (which ended the Love Quest), Robertchu, theories about Ted Bundy, and the 69 Sonichus and Rosechus.
|“||So, you just admitted you were and still are manipulated by the Idea Guys. The merge, the goddess stuff, all of it. Christine, if you’re still in there it’s not too late fix your life for the better. It’s ok to face reality||”|
|A concerned fan on Twitter.|
Idea Guy Q&A
- Main article: Idea Guy Q&A
The ringleader of the Idea Guys, Joshua Wise, signed up to Kiwi Farms under the name Ballzymaker94, and had several private conversations with select users, soliciting feedback over his early schemes.
One user from the Kiwi Farms had a lengthy conversation with Wise, spanning from 3 December to 18 December 2017, archived in the Idea Guy Q&A. In it, Wise discusses how he had gained Chris’s trust, how Chris reacted to some of his ideas and mentions content which had not been publicly released, such as Chris wanting intel on whether Jessica Quinn was actually a troll, how Chris tried to prevent Jamsta from being jailed for molestation and Chris’s attempts to interact with Neptunia goddesses.
Wise also briefly conversed with other members of the forum. After he was doxed by the site's moderators on 22 January 2018, many users came forward to post content and conversations that he had shared with them.
He hadn't shared all of his content over PM, generally only summarizing his interactions with Chris. After he was exposed, he offered to trade in all of his information in exchange for the moderators removing the dox of his family members. They refused on the grounds that they disliked his public trolling output and believed the dox would be an incentive for him to stay away from Chris, a message which Wise ignored.
Midway through November 2017, observers began speculating that a new troll had gained control over Chris. This was because Chris's posts began to include references designed to go over his head. On 14 November, he wrote that Silvana had been captured by a Russian billionaire, and posted a photo of the soldier who would be rescuing her. This was recognized by spectators as a reference to the politically incorrect "Remove Kebab" internet meme. That same day, Chris recorded Freestyle Dance With Me, For Our World! while wearing a tinfoil hat to prevent "the man" from reading his mind. These suspicions of a troll wouldn't be confirmed to the public, however, until January 2018.
Joshua Allen Wise
|“||Frankly, and you can disagree with me all you want, I think the [Idea Guy] is laughing at us for raging and telling him to get raped or die.||”|
|Joshua Wise gloats, pretending to be an outside observer.|
On 22 January 2018, moderators at Kiwi Farms decided to dox Joshua Allen Wise, known on the forum as Ballzymaker94, as being the Idea Guy. This came two days after the release of Get Out, You D*** Nazis, which most posters rightfully assumed had been made unwillingly. With his doxing, Kiwi Farms users began digging through Wise's online presence, finding posts on the forum and Reddit in which he white knighted himself from criticism. He also attempted to publicize Chris's Idea Guy content in other communities. For example, in one post from 20 January 2018, he writes:
|He's made Chris dance to his rhythm, and will continue to pull the strings until he gives up and tells us his tricks [...] or he'll [...] not give up a thing and leave even more people pissed that we learned nothing about why he did all this, or how he even made it possible.|
Even after being exposed, he continued responding to private messages on the forum, until he and close family were doxxed. At the time, it was believed that Joshua had been acting alone; thus, he was referred to as the sole Idea Guy. When similar content continued being produced post-dox however, observers began to suspect others' involvement, dubbing the new troll "Idea Guy 2.0".
Stephen Boyd et al
|“||Wow what a fucking loser. Maybe they're Idea Guy 2.0?||”|
|Stephen Boyd, months before being exposed as an Idea Guy.|
On 11 July 2018, it was revealed by Kiwi Farms owner Null that Wise had never stopped, and that there had actually been three more Idea Guys. This revelation occurred after Chris allowed Null to enter his Discord account and view their collective chat logs. One of these newly identified Idea Guys was Stephen Boyd, who went by the name NinFreakLan on Kiwi Farms. Prior to being exposed, Boyd participated in threads speculating the identity of the supposed "Idea Guy 2.0". When it was noted that this supposed new troll had begun trolling only a day after Wise had been doxxed, Boyd responded:
|But what kinda person would go back to doing this immediately after being doxed? It doesn't properly add up for Cunt Nugget to be Josh. Maybe Chris told Idea Guy 2.0 everything|
Because of the discovery of his involvement, it seems extremely likely that Boyd only became involved after Wise had been exposed. Leaked private messages to other Kiwi Farms members seem to indicate that Wise had been searching for a partner in crime; Boyd may have noticed and reached out. Perhaps unsurprisingly, after Wise was doxxed, Boyd began white knighting him, comparing his weening to Marvin and Clyde Cash. Stephen wouldn't be exposed himself until six months later.
|A doxx does seem a little extreme. I mean would we have done the same to Clyde Cash or Marvin for stupid shit they did in the past to generate Chris chimping when this is LESS than that?|
The other two Idea Guys mentioned by Null have had their identities kept secret. Null stated that he spared them, for both contributed very little to the trolling effort, and dropped out very early on. The only known information about them is that one of them is Canadian, and the other is Chinese.
- Chris and reality
- Cryzel Torture
- Kun T'Nyuget
- Idea Guy Q&A
- Sonichu 13
- The 69 Destined Sonichus and Rosechus
- The Bad Beginning
- The Chris-Chan Extortionists
- Teen Troon Squad, who leaked several videos from the Idea Guys saga.
- The Chris-Chan Extortionists
- The Chris-Chan Extortionists
- May 2018 social media posts#On the Cryzel and Magi-Chan relationship and being blackmailed
- Copitz interview.
- Count Dankula interview, June 2018.
- Nightstar is a very important Special Sonichu
- Discord Q&A 6#Drawing that took the most effort