Affair with Mother

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This page is about the affair itself. For the leaks in which Chris describes incestuous acts, see Incest Call and Incest Texts. For the subsequent legal consequences, see Jail Saga. For Chris's general stance on incest, see here.
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Chris has a felony charge of incest, not rape. Whether or not Chris's incestuous affair with Barb was entirely consensual is not known for sure. Along with that, the root cause of it currently cannot be verified, and Barb's mental state at the time can merely be guessed at. While reports often claim that Barb has dementia, these claims are entirely unproven and are based on circumstantial evidence in begging videos, where she may be playing up her frailty to elicit pity for more money. Letters where Chris describes Barb as being "zombie-like" and "sickly" also cannot be used against him in court unless he is first charged with rape, as they are purely his word.[note 1] In light of all of that, avoid calling Chris a rapist on this wiki unless he is officially charged, or has been fully confirmed to have raped Barb.
Anyhow, who among Everyone in this world has not had a dream of having sex with one of their parents? Never acting on them ever, I, myself, Did have dreams of having sex with my mother.
Chris on Facebook in 2016. Chris would act on his instincts five years later.[1]
You're supposed to say: "Turn me loose, you silly goose!" ...You used to do that more flirtingly.
Chris while forcefully embracing his mother on a Twitch stream, indirectly warning us of what was to come.

For years, trolls joked that Chris, in his desperation to find a boyfriend-free girl, would eventually turn to his mom based on his occasional off‐putting comments about her and their constant proximity to one another. Few thought he would ever go through with the act, though — but Chris found a way to surprise and horrify everybody.

Chris and Barb's incestuous affair most likely began on 27 June 2021,[2][3] but his social media presence in earlier in the month, may hint at an earlier start to the affair. As early as 22 June, he began addressing Barbara by the unsettling pet name of "Barbie Chan", which may have indicated when he began to get intimate with her. After this date Chris claimed that he had sex with her once every three nights until being forcibly stopped by being removed from the house.

On 28 July 2021, during a call with Isabella "Bella" Loretta Janke, Chris revealed the details of his sexual activities with his mother of his own volition, also discussing it in text messages later that day. In those, Chris discussed stimulating his elderly mother with his hands, performing cunnilingus on her, and having penetrative sex with her.[4] He claimed that Barbara compared him favorably to her previous sexual partners, including Chris's father Bob, who had been unable to provide her with an orgasm or stimulate her G-spot.

Files were leaked to the public the following night,[5] and social workers removed Chris from Barbara on the morning of 30 July.

In early August 2021, Chris was arrested, officially charged with one count of incest, and is currently being held without bail – pending trial.

Chris has commented on the charges against him numerous times since his arrest. As can be seen below, he initially appeared to acknowledge that incest occurred between him and his mother but later denied it.

Background and foreshadowing

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Lonely feelings, Teen Troon Squad chats

Note the talk of "soul bonding" in the right-hand corner.

In general, the relationship between Chris and his mother has always been seen as a "little too close", likely due to his mother's overly coddling nature towards him in his early life all through to his adulthood mixed with the emotionally abusive control tactics she implemented against both him and Bob. It was keenly noted during the Doopie Saga that Chris had used the words "darling" and "dear", commonly reserved for romantic relationships, to refer to his mother.

Many Christorians have noted that potential hints or patterns that would indicate sexual activity between Chris and his mother have been made previously. In a 2010 voice chat between various PVCC forum members, Kim Wilson talked about a discussion where Chris revealed he was spooning his mother on a regular basis. She also revealed that Chris told her that he'd once had a wet dream about Barb as an Egyptian belly dancer. When asked by Emily if he'd repopulate the planet if he and his mother were the only two people left in existence, Chris went silent and then denied any desire to have sex with his mother.

"Top 10 Hottest Anime Moms Ever", a video Chris watched on 25 July 2021, days before he confessed to incestuous acts on his mother.[6]

As early as October 2015, the Man in the Pickle Suit noted that at Chris's plea arrangement for the pepper spray incident, Chris and his mother were touching each other in an unusually intimate and inappropriate fashion.[7] As recently as 2019, Chris, whilst roleplaying as Magi-Chan, referred to his mother as a "guilty pleasure waifu[sic]". Furthermore, in August 2016, Chris admitted to having dreams of having sex with his mother in a Facebook post stating that "I, myself, Did have dreams of having sex with my mother".[1] Troll Arthur Spatchcock disclosed on the Kiwi Farms that following the 2014 house fire, Chris and his mother were routinely spooning. At the time, Chris denied any impropriety, stating "I am not a 'Bates'. OMG."[8]

According to both Bella and MKRNightVee, Chris brought up the dreams of sex with his mother again to them in private conversations. In a 19 July 2021 conversation with the Chess Club Discord server, Bella mentioned that Chris, during his phase of role-playing as Sonichu, brought up that he had a dream of having sex with his mother, to which Bella replied that it was weird and questioned what it meant, to which an offended Chris asked if she was calling Chris weird.[9] On 30 July 2021, MKR commented about the leak of the incest news, and mentioned that Chris had told her about sexual dreams with his mother, and that MKR dismissed it as one of Chris's many crazy dreams.[10]

Chris released a piece of artwork on his Twitter feed on 28 July 2021, showing "soul-bonding" between an elderly Libra woman (which Barb is) and a younger woman that suspiciously looks like Chris's fictionalized counterpart, clandestinely hinting at the horrifying affair that was just days from being revealed (the only major inconsistency is that Chris is a Pisces and appears elsewhere in the picture with the correct sign). The Suitress had also posted a screen cap of a video on Reddit, which Chris claimed that he had watched days prior to his affair being revealed.

Chris had stated in a conversation he had with Watchmen members that he had feelings of loneliness, and had wanted to get action on with a real, physical woman. Unfortunately for everyone, Chris's desires would lead him to a very dark place.

The affair

On 27 June 2021, Chris began to engage in incest with his mother.[2][3] Chris claimed he "approached her with care and caution," and that Barb even made the "first move."[2]

When pressed for details on the dirty deed, Chris has shown an unsurprising lack of remorse for his actions, stating that his actions were ordained by GodJesus Himself. If anything, he was more upset that Bella, Null, Dillin, and other people ratted him out after he provided a confession to a felony.[11][12]

The gory details

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Texts purporting BDSM roleplay are fakes doctored by Bella. With that said, this list is still not entirely reliable, as details may vary and because Chris is typically not interested in honesty in these scenarios.
A surreal depiction of the events

In case you have some kind of morbid curiosity of how the affair could have went down, here is a list of "activities" that Chris had allegedly done to/with his mother:

  1. Massages[13] - Presumably full body ones since it included her thighs (and her face for some reason); this is probably the same type of massage he gave to Mia Hamm. Chris also claimed in a chat with The WCT that he had bought massaging oil, and made the claim that it is perfect to use on one's lover. [14]
  2. Kissing - Apparently did not involve tongues.
  3. Outer Course - Rubbing her pussy with his fingers and hands, this happened at least twice before the next step, probably more.
  4. Intercourse - By this, he means fingering her, it apparently hurt her when he did so.
  5. Cunnilingus - Eating her out, claims he's good at it. No information about if she returned the favor. [4]
  6. Penetration - Vaginal, apparently with the use of a condom, he proceeded to get himself tested for STI's afterwards anyway.
  7. Cuddling - According to a letter from jail, Chris supposedly "cuddled" with Barb in the times of incest.[15]

According to Null, Chris had been buying large amounts of sex toys and lingerie from Adam & Eve for several months prior to committing his acts. What sex toys Chris potentially used, if any, is uncertain.

Negligee

Main article: Negligee
A photo of Chris wearing the negligee in front of a fan.

Chris stated that he purchased a negligee and claimed that Barb approved of the idea.[16] This was eventually confirmed on 3 March 2022, when a Reddit fan posted photos of themselves with Chris in the negligee.

Rationalizations

Chris has rationalized the affair in multiple ways.

  • Divine approval - Chris claimed in the Incest Call that God told him the incest was okay.
  • Soul-Bonding and Healing - In a jail letter that Emanuel told him to have sex with Barb in order to "heal" her and "cleanse her of her sins".[15] In a later letter, Chris mentions that "Soul Bonding does not necessarily constitute sex" which implies that it can be.[17] He described soul-bonding as "the Bonding and Union of Auras (Energy Fields) between at least two individuals."[18] Chris seems to be under the impression that if he didn't engage in this "healing" then Barbara would have died or being more heavily injured by her recent car accident, completely ignoring the fact that if Chris had not engaged in it, chances are Barb wouldn't have been in a car accident at all, since she wouldn't have been forced to drive on her own due to her son's absence.[19]
  • Defense measure against Sockness - Chris claimed that "my having had sex is also a defense mechanism in regards to Sockness and what he had/may have in mind with me and being near me," referring to Sockness's history of scheming to have sex with Chris, and that Chris planned to use the fact of his affair as a "truth bomb" to deter Sockness.[20]

Awareness of wrongdoing

Chris was aware of the illegal nature of incest. In August 2016, he read a news article on the topic of a mother and son charged with incest and commented over Facebook on it, defending the two and saying they should not be sent to jail.[1]

Five years later, in the midst of his own affair with his mother, Chris still demonstrated awareness that the action was illegal. While he desired to discuss the affair with people, he first concocted a cover story in which he used misleading euphemisms such as "lady friend" to describe his sexual partner and claimed that the supposed lady friend and Barb had met each other[21][22] and he insisted on keeping the identity of the lady friend secret,[20][23][3] though he dropped hints such as age[20] and employment history.[23]

After a month of using his cover story, Chris decided to push further and tell someone that his mother was the sexual partner. He selected Bella. Before telling her, Chris first spent time trying to manipulate her into keeping silent on what he would say by use of a guilt trip.

And I ask you Not to Overthink or ask for further details in pressing on. That is not a good thing to do.
Chris to Bella, 17 July 2021[20]

Over a week later, Chris, ready to divulge his secret, first claimed to Bella that he was uncertain of telling her as he was concerned about the government hacking into the conversation, which backfired on Chris as this tipped off Bella into suspecting that he was about to discuss an illegal act.[24]

I realize I am remaining and sounding distant on the questioning, and it will become more clear and obvious when I tell you, in-person, who she is.

I actually wish I could tell you over text or voice call, but the government and anyone with the tech can easily hack into those methods

Chris, prior to the Incest Call.[21]

Within the same conversation, Chris recommended using the encrypted text/video call app Signal (having used it to communicate with Null), which Bella agreed to download.[21]

Leaks

Main articles: Incest Call and Incest Texts

In the leaks, Chris admits that he and his mother engaged in substantial sexual activity, including Chris masturbating his mother, and engaging in penetrative intercourse with her. It is further alleged that his mother compared him to various other sexual partners, including Chris's father.

Also made another attempt at rubbing her vagina, externally at first, then slipping in between the lips and rubbing the inner labia. Then she told me to stop. She's getting more used to being played with down there by hand.
Text message from Chris.[4]
And obviously those out of the eight guys, counting Robertchu, before me were not hitting her G-Spot as much with their cocks. I had attempted the first night to rub her in there; i found her spot, but it hurt her. But, alternatively, I did find that at cunnilingus, I was good at it with my tongue
Chris comparing his sexual activities with his father's sexual activities.[4]
"Ladies and gentlemen, we got him."

The leaked audio likewise contained graphic descriptions of sexual activity, which Chris alludes to as the veracity of "incest fanfics". The authenticity of the recording was confirmed by Chris to Dillin Thomas.[25]

Prior to the allegations being revealed to the public, Chris informed Bella, Null, and The WCT about the fact that he found a boyfriend-free girl, although he wanted her identity to remain secret. He offered multiple hints about the identity of his new sweetheart, but told Null that he wanted him to figure out who it was. Null was initially skeptical of the incest claims, since the Idea Guys previously coerced him into recording a (then untrue) statement that he had raped Barb, and believed that this could be another instance of similar manipulation. Null hypothesized that Chris was attempting to protect the identity of his new girlfriend by making up an elaborate lie, but eventually came to realize that Chris had been having frequent sex with Barb upon reviewing Chris's hints.[26]

After this information eventually came to light, Chris indicated that it was "drama" and that he only intended to share the information to test his followers, who he trusted not to share the information with the public at large despite incest being illegal. Chris later compared Null to Judas Iscariot for "betraying" him by trusting him with such Honest Content. Chris being Chris, he seems to be more upset over the fact that trusting people not to leak evidence of a criminal act led to serious, life-changing consequences for him than the idea that he may have caused harm to Barb, and as multiple jail letters show, he does not have guilt over the fact that he did something illegal (not to mention he clearly hasn't learned from years of experience that constantly sharing personal information at the drop of a hat, be it embarrassing or incriminating in this case, invariably comes back to bite him in the rear later on).

Was it consensual?

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The following information should not be taken as definite proof that Chris raped Barb or not; this is simply a list of evidence that Chris has provided himself, which due to Chris's habit of lying for the pettiest of reasons, can be seen as unreliable by some. Due to the sensitive nature of this topic, please avoid saying for sure if Chris did or did not rape Barb.

On the CWCki, there are two main camps that people fall into when discussing this topic: There are people who believe the affair to be abusive or even flat-out nonconsensual, while there are other people who believe the affair was consensual between the two.

The following list contains many common points of argument for both sides but also a counterargument for each and every one.

The evidence for the affair being nonconsensual are as follows:

  • Barb has been speculated to be suffering from dementia or some other form of mental decline; there are too many videos of her displaying symptoms to list, but this could be her intentionally faking it for sympathy donations.
  • Chris mentioned during Incest Texts that Barb told him to stop during his attempts to finger her; however, this would have been Chris's first time fingering a woman (Mia Hamm didn't allow him to do so during their times together) and Chris mentioned this act hurt Barb at first; meaning Barb could have been stopping him from his attempts due to the pain but otherwise consented to be fingered.
  • Chris, during the Incest Call, mentions that Barb seemed partially confused at first; However, Chris did say she "came around," so it's possible he was referring to his advances towards her, and she didn't initially understand/ believe what Chris was asking for.
  • Chris mentioned in Jail Letter - 22 July 2022 (2) that Barb was "Zombie-like" and not even aware of her surroundings even before the affair began; while damning (if true), it's worth mentioning that Chris during the letter is begging Kenneth for assistance in moving Barb out of the house, arguing that Barb simply cannot take care of herself. Chris, being Chris, could simply not know the implications of what he's actually saying, and it's quite possible that Chris is desperately lying since Kenneth disapproved of the idea unless there was no other option for Barb.

The evidence for the affair being consensual are as follows:

  • Chris and Barbara's relationship is infamously creepy and way too close for comfort; this is the main source of people believing the affair was consensual and for good reason. Barb would often yell at Chris if he didn't share a bed with her, and Chris has admitted numerous times that he spoons with her (after Bob's death). They were also often seen talking to each other and even holding each other as if they were husband and wife for a long time before the affair began. Barb is infamous for being horribly manipulative for her own personal gain, and she does not see any problem with coddling and emotionally blackmailing Chris in order to go along with what she wants to do (usually money or food-related stuff); with this in mind, while their relationship is definitely unhealthy for a mother and son to have, it does not prove that Barb was interested in an incestuous affair with Chris.
  • Chris claimed to Null during his temporary homelessness in a direct message that the affair was definitely consensual; however even somebody like Chris would probably hesitate to admit raping their own mother, especially to his main benefactor at the time.
  • Chris boasted during the Incest Call that Barb was "having a good time" and even claimed that he let her make the first move; even if this is true, it does not rule out that Chris hadn't coerced or otherwise manipulated her into having sex with him since he did mention in the same call that she was "partially confused at first." Chris's idea of approaching a love interest with "care and caution" does not translate to consent or even consideration for somebody else's feelings; his idea of nervous behavior around Kacey, for example, included touching her multiple times without her consent and his interactions with Megan which he describes as "friendly" also included a lot of unwanted attempts to hug and kiss her.
  • In Jail Letter - 11 May 2022, Chris claimed that after he lost his virginity to Mia Hamm and told his mom about it, Barb stated that she would have had sex with him herself; while this does sound like Barb offering herself to Chris there is a massive possibility that Barb was simply saying he could pull women without paying them (for example when Pmurt stated that he would date his daughter if he was somebody else not related to her), while definitely creepy it does not mean she actually wanted sex with him and even if she did, the quote came from a decade beforehand so this would not count as consent.

In the end, we will perhaps never honestly know; Barb is not willing to comment or give any further details (and thankfully, nobody has pressed her on such), and Chris is currently in denial that the affair ever took place. If Chris is formally charged and sentenced with felony incest (or perhaps rape), it could be a case of Chris simply piling on tons of poorly worded evidence against himself (as he's done throughout most of his life); if Chris is found innocent or just given the sentence for misdemeanor incest, it could be seen as yet another example of the criminal justice system going easy on somebody with special needs, and Chris gets away with yet another crime (something that he has also done throughout most of his life) as a result.

Ironically, despite this being one of the most critical moments in Chris's life, a life that has been documented extensively down to the finest detail, we continue to and will likely never know the essential details of it.

Chris's Comments on the Affair post-incarceration

During his recent incarceration Chris has communicated numerous times with members of the public via letters and telephone calls. Some of those letters (and one recorded phone call which has been publicly shared by an anonymous caller) contain commentary by Chris regarding the charges for which he is currently in jail. The first publicly available letter in which Chris touches on the subject of the alleged incest was written on 19 September 2021. In it, he appears to strongly imply that he indeed had sex with Barbara. Chris's comments on the affair are tied with his elaboration of his previously expressed delusions of Godhood. He reveals to have realized himself to be the present day reincarnation of Jesus Christ. The supreme Goddess Emanuelle had ordered him to to purify Barbara of her sins and improve her abilities as well. In his description of how this was done, Chris writes that he and his mother "mainly Cuddled, Soul-Bonded, and Talked." No sexual acts are explicitly mentioned, but the rest of the letter strongly implies that they were included in Chris's "healing" of Barbara. Chris goes on to write that the healing he performed on his mother was similarly done by him on other individuals during his previous life as Jesus Christ, though the details of said healings were omitted from the the Bible. Chris then goes on to inform the letter's recipient that "We Gods had eased up on the views of "Adultry [sic]"; WHY Else do you all have Pro-Gay, and Pro-Lesbian, Pro-Trans, and all Today and the past Decades?" While the word "adultery" is typically used to refer to marital infidelity, it appears that in this letter it should be read as "acts that go against traditional sexual morality". By grouping the "healing" of Barbara in the same category as intimate relations between members of the same sex, Chris strongly implies that the "healing" of Barbara likewise included romantic and sexual acts. Chris's defense of the "healing" on the counts that all those who were involved in it were both willing and above the legal age of consent further enhances the impression that it was at least partially sexual in nature.

While he 19 September letter was just a few baby steps away from being an explicit admission of incest, it did not take long for Chris to become more coy as to whether or not incest between him and Barb had occurred. In a 1 November 2021 telephone call Chris failed to either explicitly deny or acknowledge that he and Barb had sex. The same ambiguousness regarding the truthfulness of the charges against him can be seen in a letter written on 16 November 2021.

At some point Chris changed his tune and began to outright deny that there was any sexual intimacy between him and his mother. As far as public evidence goes, Chris first explicitly denied the charges against him in the 11 May 2022 jail letter. In the same letter Chris alleges that in May 2012 Barbara made sexual advances towards him after he revealed to her that he had paid a prostitute a month beforehand. He goes on to write that after the death of Bob Barb came to see Chris as a husband-like figure. Further denials that Chris ever had sexual relations with Barb appear in jail letters written on 1 June and 4 June 2022. Chris does acknowledge that prior to his arrest he told others that he had sex with Barb, but by now he claims that those admissions were false. As he wrote in the 4 June 2022 letter: "I have never had sex with Barbara; that was purely Big Talk to Divinely Test everyone." Already in the letters from 19 September 2021 and 16 November 2021 Chris claimed that his pre-arrest admissions were made in order to test certain individuals, but only recently Chris began to claim that these admissions were false.

Consequences

Main article: Jail Saga

It is a criminal offense in Virginia to engage in incest – sexual activities between a parent and a child are a class 5 felony, punishable on indictment by up to 10 years incarceration. Chris was swiftly removed from his home by an Emergency Protective Order, then arrested the next day. In the wake of his charges, Chris was banned from Patreon and Tapas. Collaborators who had once worked with him withdrew, such as the band who released Love is Love pulling it from sale.

Since then, he was held without bail in Central Virginia Regional Jail before getting transferred to Western State Hospital, awaiting trial.[27] On 3 May 2022, Chris was transferred back to CVRJ.

If Barb consented, she could be charged as a willing participant. If Barb did not consent, as some have speculated that she may be incapable of that, Chris's potential sentence could be significantly longer given the severity of a rape charge.

Chris and Barbara's relationship

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Chris and Barbara's relationship deteriorated during Chris's stay in jail. In a jail letter, Chris mentioned that Barb had ceased communicating with him.[citation needed]. During summer 2022, Chris began to speak ill of Barb in his letters, insulting and making spurious claims about her.[citation needed] While still in jail, Chris began planning for his housing post-release. In light of a restraining order being placed on Chris preventing him from contact with Barb[citation needed], Chris believed he deserved to live in 14 Branchland Court over Barb, and requested his enablers assist him with a Kickstarter fundraiser to bribe Barb into moving into senior housing, claiming that Caden was helping with this scheme, and that it was his initial idea.[28]

Fan videos

Poor Sonichu...
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TRUE and HONEST Sonichu Fan Videos


Chris-Chan and his mom every 3rd night since June 27
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TRUE and HONEST Sonichu Fan Videos


See also

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Notes

  1. Chris has currently only been formally accused of incest, though this indictment may be subject to change when new evidence comes to light.

References

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Organizations: Chris Chan Conservation CollectiveTTU Chess Club
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