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my dream is to somehow get [Chris] to draw phantom horn or better yet NLACakaNM [...] I HAVE to ignite the Slime Saga
Ben, attempting to enable his way into Chris's orbit.[1]
@ItsAllSoUgly, YOU, most of all, Do Not Need the damn Slime. You Are Better than that.
Chris, to Ben.[2]

Ben Saint
Name Benjamin H. Chmielinski[3]
Also known as The Cop Killer
Phantom Horn
Gender Male
Race White
Nationality American
Occupation Engineer (Former)
Comic Artist
Saga TF2 Analysis, Secret Shipfic, Watchmen

Ben Saint is a webcomic artist, troll, ween and self-proclaimed 'Dimensional Prophet of C-197 and Hierophant to NLACakaNM'.[4] Though he had been interested in Chris for years, lecturing for two hours on Sonichu in 2016[5] and 2020[6] and commissioning art detailing Liquid Chris's fate in the comic world,[7] he is most known for exploiting Chris and his Internet infamy in order to boost views of his own comic and solicit thousands of dollars in donations in October 2019.[8] He would provoke him by inserting Night Star, Chris's My Little Pony fan character, into his comics and role-playing with him to get him invested in the comic's plot.[1][9] Unlike Alec Benson Leary before him, Ben Saint's heavy-handed approach to parody had failed to gain Laughs Under Lucricities and acclaim from onlookers, and other oribters such as Jacob Sockness, MKRNightVee, and the Multidimensional White Knights have tried to reclaim control Chris, and conflicts of interest have arisen between the two of them. In time, he gave up inciting Chris and gained his approval, and their interactions became unremarkable by the end of November 2019 after Chris began shifting his focus from his Sonichu comics to a card game. Chris would end up implementing Saint's characters and delusions fed to him in the impending drama surrounding him into this card game, to which several new enablers such as Helena Fiorenza and ViviChu would contribute to the game by providing OCs of their own.



Phantom Horn

Strawberry Milk

Chris usurps Ben's comic

His strips have some catching up to do to get to this point
Chris, on his unauthorized version of events based on Ben's comic[10]
Chris tries to roleplay with Endless War, a Discord bot, which kills his character. Chris retcons the loss in his version of Ben's comic.

Ben began working on a comic, which mostly serves to promote the Discord server/game Endless War, which he runs. In the comic, Night Star banishes two My Little Pony characters, Strawberry Milk and Phantom Horn, to NLACakaNM, the land of the game. The latter character is a clear parody of Christorians, so obviously that even Chris notices it. Chris took a near immediate interest in the comics, as early as 16 September. Ben and Chris presumably opened correspondence soon after. As the narrative continued, however, Chris became more displeased with the directions it took. Meanwhile Chris also tried to play Endless War, a game managed by a bot on Ben's Discord server, but was killed and became frustrated. Seeing an opportunity, Saint devoted himself to more deliberate attacks against Chris, creating a section on his Discord server for that specific purpose.[11]

This came to a head on 1 October 2019, when Chris began releasing Sonichu Special 7, his own drawings depicting what he wanted to happen in Ben's comic lore. Later, Chris would also return to the server and announce that he had revived himself with his goddess powers and that the bot's game was over, as Chris's comic canon had deemed it so. Unlike Sonichu #15, where the fancomic author in question approved of Chris using her work, Ben is much more resistant to Chris influencing the work, creating two concurrent and battling canons. In response to this, Ben accused Chris of committing genocide in his revisions, depicting his own characters being injured and killed by Chris's cleansing rains. Chris initially denied the charges, affirming that Ben's characters would just become normal humans.[12] Seeking to contrive an incident, Saint stated on Discord that CWCville had declared war on his own fictional city, giving a death toll of about 70,000.[13] Chris would thus concede that there had been casualties, yet that 99% of the population of Arizona (where this fictional city was placed) had survived.[14] He would regard this loss of fictional life trivial.[15] A week later, Chris would justify his overriding Ben's description of his own fictional universe by his superior psychic powers and ability to see into alternate dimensions.[16]

Interference by Watchmen

The Watchmen egged on Chris to confront Ben Saint.[17]

On 1 October 2019, Chris, role-playing as Magi-Chan, then sent Ben a DM both announcing/commanding that Ben make the comic as Chris willed, as well as demanding Ben provide Chris with $300.[18]


An annoyed Chris tells Ben to stop harping on the genocide, perturbed to the point he slipped up in his role-playing and ended the message writing as Magi-Chan instead of himself.

Attempts to provoke Chris fell into repetitive, stereotypical social patterns in mid-October 2019, soon after they began, and would remain so for the rest of the affair. Saint would keep drawing his characters massacred by the soda rain and beg Chris to stop, while Chris would assert that he already had,[19] and that any deaths already inflicted were for the greater good. Variety was occasionally introduced as Chris sometimes accidentally wrote his replies as Magi-Chan.[20] When Saint depicted his dead characters on a special story arc in hell,[21] or otherwise diverged his plot, Chris would demand Saint return to drawing his comic instead of pursuing his role-playing.[22]

Like clockwork, white knights and other enablers came in to defend Chris's actions and inject their own strain of nonsense into the mix, nominally to help Chris along. Jacob Sockness offered on 17 October to summon Jakoba, a war god of his own invention, to demand even more reparations from Saint, yet Chris refused, instead accepting the Multidimensional White Knights' enlisting Ed Bighead, who was supposed to have became the king of Babylon in C-197 and was rallying an army to defend Chris from the slime.[23] Ben eventually relented, at least in part: he revived, to Chris's approval, his characters that he had killed off earlier that month, using the same !revive command from his Discord server that Chris had used to declare himself resurrected.[24]

Further interactions with Ben, on Twitter as well as Discord, long continued to dispute whether or not Chris had committed fictional genocide. Accusations of hatred were common on both sides.[8] Ben would try to manipulate Chris's version of events by stating his fictional city was rained upon several time, while Chris would resist such changes to his version of events being inserted. Saint's publicity stunt was however stunted by Chris's shifting interests, as he devoted more attention to his trading card line and Jacob Sockness returned for a second round of weening after a fortnight's delay. On 19 October, Chris asserted that he had divine mandate from the CPU goddesses to supersede Ben's decisions about his comic.[25]

Normalisation of relations

Main article: Ben Saint - Chatting with Chris-Chan

Even when exciting him, Saint would sometimes endorse Chris's delusional beliefs: he would notably respond with fiery protests whenever somebody else refused to use Chris's tomgirl pronouns.[4]. By November 2019, interactions between Ben Saint and Chris became rarer, yet the atmosphere between them was friendlier than before.[26] Shifting his attention from Sonichu 14 to making playing cards instead, Chris casually dashed Saint's hope to be included in the Sonichu canon beside such illustrious figures as Ted Bundy before him. On 10 November 2019, their rivalry had come to an official end as Chris accepted an invitation to appear on Ben's live stream, where he was interviewed for over an hour. Genocide accusations faded away as Saint continued, with Chris's approval, to use Night Star and Chris Chan Sonichu in his comics beside his other characters. Saint would also keep out of the confused web surrounding Jacob Sockness, MKRNightVee and others who sought positions of power over Chris about the same time. After several months of benign quiet, Ben Saint returned on 29 January 2020, rallying support to hold a convention in Virginia at a yet undisclosed time; Chris enthusiastically sanctioned this fundraiser.[27] Two months later, on 24 March 2020, Chris began supporting Saint on Patreon:[28] he pays five dollars monthly, which is not enough to access all of his new comics.[29] Since Chris' arrest in August 2021, his Patreon has been suspended, with no word from Saint on the loss of the five dollars.


Fan videos

Ben Saint talking about the NightStar Comic
Made By Ben Saint
TRUE and HONEST Sonichu Fan Videos

See also


  1. 1.0 1.1
  4. 4.0 4.1 Saint's Twitter, archived 8 October 2019
  5. Sonichu 101: A CWC Lecture
  6. Sonichu 102: Advanced Christory
  8. 8.0 8.1 Saint appeals to followers to donate $13,000 to save his fictional characters from his plot LARPing, 14 October 2019
  11. Saint prepares 'to declare war' against Chris, 4 October 2019
  12. File:ChrisGenocide.jpeg
  13. Saint's incendiary Discord announcement, 5 October 2019
  14. The population of Arizona in 2019 was approximately 7,000,000.
  15. Chris dismisses Ben, 4 October 2019
  16. Chris justifies his canon wars by goddesshood, 13 October 2019
  17. The Place chats - Ben Saint
  18. Ben Saint DMs#DM'ing Ben Saint to demand $300
  19. Chris tells a random Saint supporter that his 'cleansing rains' have stopped, 12 October 2019
  21. Chris complains about dead characters, 10 October 2019|
  22. Chris insists Ben get back to work, 14 October 2019
  23. White knights present bids for Chris, 17 October 2019
  24. Saint revives his characters and Chris joins the Yang Gang, 16 October 2019
  25. Ben and Chris continue to argue about genocide, 19 October 2019
  26. Archive of Chris's Twitter profile from November 2019, prepared 6 December 2019
  27. Saint returns, 29 January 2020
  28. Patreon support begins, 24 Mrch 2020
  29. Chris complains he cannot access Slime and Punishment, 25 March 2020
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The Players

People: ChrisBen SaintProjectSNTOpuscon789Jacob SocknessSarah and SteveHelena FiorenzaThe Sergeant at ArmsMultidimensional White KnightsMKRNightVeeNaughtGeno Samuel
Fictional Characters: OCs (NightVeeStrawberry Milk and Phantom HornPickchuWild Sonirisu)

The Games
TSSSF Packs: ArizonaSlimeBlessed Wares and Extra CreditChris Chan Sonichu Expansion PackHangin' With Magi-ChanIdeaGuy CorruptionsNightstar & FriendsNightvee & the Warriors For AndromedaProjectSNT and FriendsA Righteous RisingSamurai Pizza BotsSonichu/Rosechu OC Expansion PackSonichu & RosechuSonichu DeckSonichu PromoSonichu VillainsSuper/Mega FormsYES to MLPFiMSeasons10to14
TSSSF: Ben Saint: Dungeons and Dragons/ProjectSNT:

Coinciding Sagas
Watchmen, Jacob