Kenneth Erwin Engelhardt

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Kenneth habitually deletes his projects, posts, accounts, and websites, and starts over from scratch. Be sure any links directed towards such projects are archived when posting them on the CWCki.
Why do you Reply to Everything?!
Do you have a Crush on me, Ken?
Chris, owning Kenneth
Is [Chris] genuinely delusional? The only one who could answer that for sure is CWC herself.
Kenneth being delusional, February 2022[1]

Kenneth Erwin Engelhardt
Name Kenneth Erwin Engelhardt
Date of birth (1960-03-02) March 2, 1960 (age 62)
Also known as Sailfish
Thundersteam[note 1]
Gender Male
Known for  •Being a long-time follower of Chris since the Second Exile
 •Hosting the Kiwi Farms splinter site Onion Farms
 •Being the primary recipient of Chris's letters from jail
Religion Ahmadi
Race White
Education DeKalb Technical College (AAS, accounting)
Kennesaw State University (BBA, accounting)
Nationality American
Occupation Owner of Onion Farms
Amateur artist
Saga Second Exile, Sonic Boom, Jail

Kenneth Erwin Engelhardt (born 2 March 1960) also known by his online alias as "Sailfish", and affectionately nicknamed Kengle or OnionNull, [note 2] is the current owner of the Onion Farms; a splinter forum based on the Kiwi Farms, and the Onionpedia; a Wordpress based splinter wiki based on this one.

As an autistic[2] and elderly part-time bookkeeper and accountant with a penchant for creating bizarre artwork, Kenneth naturally felt as though he shares a lot in common with Chris. While he was initially rejected as a troll by Chris, they have become friends for quite some time. Chris would however be peeved by Kenneth's consistent replies.

Kenneth is sometimes noted for the dubious honor of being the second person in Chris's life to encapsulate all five groups in the Unholy Quintet, the first of whom being Jacob Sockness. Kenneth was once one of Chris's Facebook white knights during the Second Exile and the Sonic Boom saga. He would then act as a financial enabler of Chris, and then an A-log, ween, and carpetbagger during Chris's stay in jail.

Kenneth is also notable for being a genuine fan of Sonichu during the comic's run. Kenneth had created a bizarre series of artwork that is based off of the series called Sonichen and Rosechen, which he had created a website of.

Unlike most other white knights at the time, Kenneth had actually called Chris out when he was in the wrong, suggesting him to release his anger towards Sonic Boom on something less destructive than vandalizing merchandise, though Kenneth had also hosted a number of Facebook groups that would allow Chris to release his anger towards the game. He has also been an occasional source of financial support for Chris. He had bought several of Chris' eBay items, and sent him some sardines after Chris's house burned down.

Kenneth has later gained notoriety for posting many of Chris's letters from jail on his own Onion Farms website, often without Chris's permission, seemingly as a means to promote the website and other related projects.

Early Interactions with Chris

Prior to the creation of the Onion Farms, Kenneth was a frequent, though minor, orbiter of Chris's. Kenneth's intentions towards Chris seemed entirely True and Honest. Kenneth would often give praise to Chris when he feels there is justification in doing so. A notable example of this was praising on Christian on some of his artwork of a medallion, having an opinion on a video game, and breathing in and out. That being said, he'll occasionally make what appears to be a subtle jab at Chris, and even outright call him out when he's clearly in the wrong, in particular over the events of 26 December 2014. Despite this, Kenneth was rarely acknowledged by Chris.

Occasionally, he has posted on Chris's Facebook statuses. There was some debate on whether Kenneth could be considered a member of Chris's inner circle on Facebook (as they do have a number of mutual friends, the most notable being William Elliott Waterman), but Kenneth was often flatly ignored and sometimes treated contemptuously by Chris. Despite being known as a lolcow amongst lolcow enthusiasts, by and large he was actually quite well-liked on Facebook.

Kenneth had hosted or moderated two Facebook groups dedicated to Chris's hatred towards Sonic Boom, Keep Sonic Original and FIX SONIC'S ARMS IMMEDIATELY, SEGA!!!. Ken once bought a Sonic the Hedgehog comic book. The problem was that it contained a preview for Sonic Boom at the start, which predictably got Chris hotheaded.[citation needed]

Kenneth has also hosted anti-bullying forums in the past, on and Technical issues (caused by his unfamiliarity with forum design) and trolling forced these off the Internet. While Chris did express interest in his idea of making a fan-site, this did not materialize due to Kenneth's unfamiliarity with Dreamweaver.

Chris questioning Kenneth's loyalty

Kenneth had been responding to Chris so frequently, that Chris had decided to create a test on Twitter on 25 May 2018, seeing if he would reply to his message. Predictably, Kenneth did reply to the message, to which Chris had shown annoyance to.[3]

Financial Support Towards Chris

Kenneth had bought several of Chris' eBay items, and sent him some sardines after Chris's house burned down. Kenneth had also sent a message to Jessica Quinn on February 2016 to suggest to Chris to mutally exchange $10 giftcards.[4]

On May 2, 2018, Chris listed a spare Sonichu license plate on eBay. Since license plates may be considered DMV property, Kenneth asked Chris if he got permission to sell it from the DMV, which prompted Chris to ask him to stop, to which Kenneth agreed. Two days later, on May 4, 2018, somebody suggested to Chris that his donations dropping could be Patreon taking a 50% cut, which Kenneth said was outrageous. This prompted Chris to call Kenneth outrageous and tell him not to comment on his posts anymore or Chris would unfriend him, but he told Kenneth that he is still allowed to donate to Chris's Patreon if he chooses. Kenneth, having finally had enough, told Chris that friendships don't work like that and said goodbye, suggesting that he was done with Chris.

Not too long after, Kenneth replied to Chris's tweet begging for money:

Have you considered a project manager? They can help with work layout, publicity, the bottom line and so forth.

Chris replied with:

If I had even remotely Knew of such a Manager YEARS ago, I seriously would have done that sooner. Eeyup.

Sonichen and Rosechen

On a misfit planet, it takes a square peg in a round hole to fit in
The slogan of the Sonichen art
An autograph Kenneth received from Chris for his Sonichen art

Kenneth is well-known for his artwork, Sonichen and Rosechen. Kenneth remains the only person on record to have made a Sonichu-derivative website, though the website has been dead since 2018.

It is not known what Chris thought of this parody, but according to Kenneth himself, Chris initially viewed the series hostilly, but now takes a more neutral stance. Kenneth had attempted to suggest to Chris of him taking over the canon of Sonichu while he was incarcerated. Kenneth had the idea to expand upon the canon of the series, which would have included novels and short stories, as well as implementing some of his own Sonichen characters into the lore. However Chris had disagreed with doing such a crossover.[5][6]

Kenneth has written the following post on his Sonichen website on an unspecified date, but presumed to be no later than 2014.[7]

What inspired Sonichen and Rosechen? Like many people I came across the well known Sonichu comic series by Christian Weston Chandler. The idea of drawing a webcomic inspired me on developing my art skills.

Did Christian Weston Chandler collaborate with you in developing Sonichen and Rosechen? No. I have always been the sole creator of Sonichen and Rosechen.

Is there any official connection between Sonichu and Rosechu & Sonichen and Rosechen? No. Sonichen and Rosechen is completely independent.

Is Christian Weston Chandler aware of Sonichen and Rosechen? Yes, he has been aware of it for a long time. However, exactly how long is not known.

What was the historical relationship between Christian Weston Chandler (Sonchu and Rosechu's Creator) and Kenneth Engelhardt (Sonichen and Rosechen's Creator) in a brief paragraph? Shortly after Christian placed a follow button on his Facebook page, Kenneth along with many other people began following Christian's public posts. There was a period of initial hostility during late 2013 when a Facebook block was in place from September till the end of the year. However, connections were not entirely cut, there were a couple of scattered communications during this time. At the beginning of 2014, there was a reconciliation via a third party with the block coming to an end. After the tragic fire at Christian's house in 2014, there was a care package consisting of several board games, sardines, trail mix, and white tube socks that was mailed out with Christian publicly thanking Kenneth on his timeline. Relations between the two parties improved significantly after a series of private communications between Christian and Kenneth during the summer of 2014. After a very brief Facebook connection in July, the two parties reconnected officially on Facebook on October 14, 2014.

How does Christian feel about Sonichen and Rosechen? Initially hostile to Sonichen and Rosechen, this perception has eased up. While there has never been an official statement by Christian concerning Sonichen and Rosechen, the best guess is that his position is sort of a guarded neutral stance.

Is Sonichen and Rosechen connected with or No. It is not affiliated in any capacity with the cwckipedia and never has been.

What position is taken by the Cwckiforum in regards to Sonichen and Rosechen? Based on various threads posted in the forums by the administrators/moderators, the present official stance is hostility and there is a ban on both the author as well as the web-comic. What is your position on the Cwckiforums/ Their mission statement is as follows: "CWCki is a wiki dedicated to Christian Weston Chandler. Its mission is to serve as the ultimate repository of information about Chris, both to aid trolls in trolling him and to inform the Internet at large of Chris's singular grotesqueness" I don't agree with their purpose. The philosophy behind this website is just plain wrong. Are Cwcki-forumers/chaners allowed to follow or friend you? Yes. An official stance by the forums doesn't necessarily reflect the opinions of individual forumers, Membership on the forums is not necessarily a bar to following or friending me. For the most part, I don't see significant differences on my friends list between forumers and non-forumers.


Relationships with the CWCsphere

Feud with the Kiwi Farms

Kenneth had created an account on the Kiwi Farms on 16 May 2015 under the name Thundersteam.

Kenneth was temporarily banned from the Kiwi Farms because he seemed not to comprehend that there are mean people on the Internet, and instead believed that everyone is genuinely interested in Chris as a cool famous Internet dude who everyone wants to befriend. Eventually, accepting the fact that such people existed, Kenneth has decided to go on an online crusade against them. In 2017, he started, a blog in which he wrote angry posts about Donald Trump and other topics in an attempt to divert attention from the real Kiwi Farms to himself. This attempt had evidently failed.

Kenneth would habitually email Null under 10 different addresses and buying merchandise from Kiwi Farms just so that he can contact Null.[8] Null was annoyed by this, and threatened to call authorities on him if he didn't stop. This would get to the point where he would get banned from the website a second time.[9]

Ownership of Onion Farms

Kenneth had later created the website Onion Farms in its current incarnaton in 2019 as a splinter site of the lolcow forum Kiwi Farms, claiming it to be an alternative. The website's namesake comes from how the site was intended for covering "layers of drama and gossip". The website was also created as a gossip site for lolcows, though Kenneth had planned for the site to focus on lolcows from every country around the world. Kenneth had also had the idea of providing more attention on people he deemed as "celebrities" to be potential subjects. Anyone with less than 200,000 followers would be deemed "lesser lolcows". [10]

On the forum, Chris has a discussion board of his own, much like on the Kiwi Farms. Most of the threads found on this board were created for the letters that Kenneth had received from Chris. The rest of the board primarily consists of threads centered around orbiters of Chris and updates regarding Kenneth's interactions with Chris. Kenneth had created a thread about Chris on 4 September 2020.[11]

Controversies surrounding the Onion Farms

Naught was promoted as an administrator on the website, and has been a frequent poster on there. Kenneth had received complaints by orbiters for this decision due to Naught's controversial online activities.

A screencap of the lolicon board before getting deleted

A discussion board dedicated to lolicon and shotacon was also created on the website.[12] Kenneth had posted several times on this board, even creating four threads regarding the legality of lolicon, which had lead to allegations of Kenneth being a pedophile being made. Kenneth then deleted the subforum, and created a thread apologizing for its creation.[13]

Jail Saga

Jail Letters

Kenneth claims that he had become aware of Chris's arrest after watching Ethan Ralph's livestream of the arrest.[14] He had used his Onion Farms website as a host for posting a good number of the known letters that Chris had sent from Jail. Kenneth had initiated a letter towards Chris sometime before October 2021, as he was curious of how he was doing in jail.[15] Chris had first contacted Kenneth via letter on 4 October 2021, where he declares that he is Jesus of Nazareth, like he has with Null. Since then, Kenneth has been communicating with Chris via letter. However, Kenneth had also confirmed in a livestream that he had never gave Chris his phone number.

Chris had appeared to see Kenneth as trustworthy to host letters and calls involving him while he is in Jail. He had directed the financial enabler Zombo to Kenneth's website in order to provide monetary donations to him.

Chris had told Kenneth on many occasions to not share letters that he had given to him online, or to only share portions of letters he's received, to which Kenneth had obliged to. In one instance, in a letter that details Barb getting in a car accident, Kenneth had only posted the envelope of the letter and a portion of the letter, which hid most of the text on the front page, on the Onion Farms. However, several people were able to decipher chunks of the letter through image manipulation, as much of the writing on the back of the page that Kenneth had shared bled through. Noticing this, Kenneth had gone through several measures of hiding portions of the letters he was forbidden to share, including whiting out the blank spaces of the scans he's taken of the pages. After this had failed, Kenneth had then shared the last of all of the letters that he had previously concealed in full, including a letter that had the names of Chris's relatives on it, though he had censored their names.

After Chris has been transferred from Central Virginia Regional Jail to an undisclosed location, Kenneth had claimed he would cut all ties with Chris.

Kenneth Strikes Back

Please post this on kiwifarms. I am not holding back or being unfair. We've have gotten some pretty amazing content from what CWC chooses to share. But she calls the shots and there are people who write her telling what has been posted on Onionfarms.
Kenneth prompting people lurking on his site to tell people on Kiwi Farms about content from Chris he farmed.[16]

After Chris had been transferred back to Central Virginia Regional Jail, despite saying that he'd cut ties with Chris and not heed his words, Kenneth had decided to initiate letters back to Chris,[17] and had once again agreed to conceal certain letters of his by his request. Kenneth would agree to this promise still by not leaking one of the letters in full, but instead summarizing the major points of one of the letters he was told not to share.[18] Kenneth believes that he was advised against this due to people reading portions of letters that he was also advised sharing online through image manipulaton.

On 30 May 2022, Kenneth had made a thread on Onion Farms, in which he told people to post on the Kiwi Farms. In the post, he talks about people that have been telling Chris via letter about what the letters he has been posting on Onion Farms, and how people were able to read them despite his efforts to conceal them. Null had responded to this with "It took 9 years, but Kengle finally has a way to use Chris to get attention that nobody can interfere with. Congrats, big boy."[19]


Main article: Onion Farms Livestreams

Kenneth had proposed the idea of making livestreams on the Onion Farms in lieu of Null's Mad at the Internet livestreams.

Kenneth then had three interviews with a YouTuber who had read several of the letters that Chris had sent to Kenneth, where they would discuss how communications between him and Chris had typically went.


Art made by Kenneth

External Links

See Also


  1. The name of Kenneth's Kiwi Farms account before being changed to his full name
  2. Named in reference to Joshua "Null" Moon, the proprietor of the Kiwi Farms


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