Kiwi Farms posts (Marvin)

This page is an archive of Marvin's key posts about Chris on the online forum Kiwi Farms. Posts are sorted by date.

Anna's Message to Catie

18 December 2014

Ok, so, the background: Back when Catie was ramping up, Anna was desperately trying to shut down Catie. However, Chris had already met Catie IRL at that point (if my memory is accurate). Catie was already tangible to Chris, so Anna was fighting a losing battle. Anna's last ditch attempt to dislodge Catie was that she would appeal to Catie's humanity:

Marvin quoted a message:

You really need to leave Christian alone. It's so painfully obvious to anyone on the outside that you have a fake profile specifically designed to troll him. Just about every paragraph holds a clue against you. The fake license was a pathetic effort, but one you knew would work well enough on someone naive. Too bad you used the wrong font, didn't match the background color, made your fake signature longer than the signature box would allow, and forgot to put the second signature over the picture. I don't care what you're hoping to get out of this--whether you want to troll him to do something funny, or simply get him to trust you to ultimately help him. You are doing far more damage than you think. You're messing with an autistic man who simply won't see the truth because he wants the lie so badly. And that's sick. You're not just messing with him, though--you're messing with his mom, and you're messing with me. Whatever your opinion of his mom is, it doesn't give you the right to break her heart either. She doesn't deserve to be given false hope that maybe her son HAS found a soul mate and WILL be taken care of after she's gone. Because that's her greatest fear, and you're playing on it like a predator. So just stop. I know you're probably pretending to be upset with him right now so that you'll get him desperate enough to do whatever you tell him. It's obscene. Let it go, walk away. Delete the fake accounts, and never do anything like this again.

Marvin commented:

(I just want to point out: Anna doesn't know Barb. Like, at all. She's pulling the "his poor mother :'(" guilt trip out of her ass.)

Marvin on how the Miscreants trolled Chris

6 July 2015

In response to a user's comment, "I still predict that he is eventually going to get into trouble somehow at Impulse, though. Chris is who he is, people do not change on a dime and he has been the same person for 30+ years, he is just currently showing a bit more control over what he lets out and isn't taking the bait for trolls as much anymore. But the fact that he doesn't understand social boundaries and can sperg out over criticism will never change. Chris is and always will be a walking powder keg awaiting an inevitable lit match."

Chris never "took the bait" from trolls. All of the past trolling was artificially constructed by a group of people with lots of control over Chris. It's fake. Chris doesn't really sperg out over criticism on his own like you'd think based on what the cwcki portrays. There isn't anything for Chris to do to get in trouble for at Impulse. He can't get in trouble because there's nothing for him to get in trouble about. He doesn't need to change at all to fit in at Impulse, aside from appearing nominally trans. His real personality just naturally has a lot more control than you'd think.

A user then commented, "Was it, really...? That sounds more like a conspiration than "let's troll Chris for the lulz". Marvin then replies with the following:

I'm not sure the distinction you're making. For example, Liquid and Kacey working together to troll Chris is a conspiracy. Just by definition. The point I'm trying to make is that we knew Chris' psychology very well, so we knew what to say to him to get him riled up. But those situations were very artificial. The trolling makes people think Chris just randomly gets mad and starts yelling at people if you call Sonichu gay. Or call Sonic gay. The youtube videos leave out all the calls and messages from e-girlfriends that built up Chris' reaction. For every trolling saga, there was a bunch of stuff happening in the background. Without trolls, Chris is pretty different. I mean, not in his personality, of course. He's pretty much the same person regardless. But his reactions on youtube were highly inflated by troll girlfriends whispering shit to him behind the scenes. "Oh Chris, you're not just going to take that, are you? Chris, I need a man who can stand up for himself, not just a little wuss..." It takes quite a bit to whip Chris up into a frenzy. And it's hard to keep it going.

Marvin on the intimacy between Chris and Barb

15 October 2015

Barb's aging. Thin, kind of frail. Might not be very responsive. In retrospect, I don't think Chris recognized anyone. There was the guy he exchanged words with, but going over my notes, it might've been just him being paranoid of someone. There was an old lady behind Chris talking to him a few times. I don't think it was Rocky. Chris' outfit, from what I could see, was very funny. @Rammspieler might have a picture. Barb and Chris are way too physically intimate. It's one thing to describe their creepy relationship, it's quite another to watch it IRL. They hold hands and Chris is always putting his arm around her and rubbing her shoulders sensually. That's shit I'd do to someone I'd want to bang. Not a family member. It's weird. There was some guy with white hair and a white suit talking to Not-Rocky. Then the PD came over and talked to Chris and Barb, with white-hair-guy and Not-Rocky in the row behind them. This is where I heard snippets referencing "six months" and something something something. I think I heard Chris stress sigh a few times and I think the PD got a little annoyed dealing with Chris. Not much, but I kinda sensed something like that. Maybe I imagined it. After a bit, the PD went up to the judge and they called Chris up. Chris starts getting impatient with Barb. He said something like "are your ears clogged up??" and then "wanna follow me so you can hear what's going on?" Then she got up and trundled up there to accompany Chris. This says a few things to me: Perhaps Barb's hearing is wearing down. This fits in with her being frail and old. Chris is being kind of bossy to Barb. Chris expects Barb to be his bookkeeper so far as his punishments go. This is confirming what we heard about at the Snyder trial. Now, I couldn't hear anything they were saying up front. At this point, I didn't want to get hassled by Not-Rocky or whoever else was there, so I bailed and went to find Rammspieler.

Perspective on Chris's social life

4 November 2016

In response to a user's comment, "I keep seeing you mention him having friends and that but you never say who they are (from what I've seen). Are they actually friends or just people like you and @LoveYouLongTime who merely tolerate him and a fully aware of his internet fame?":

IRL, non-troll people who he met independently. People who talked to him enough to decide to spend time with him separately on multiple occasions. Not just awkward laughs, where they then try to sidle away from him. They found Chris nice and friendly enough to invite him to places. Or to their houses or whatever. People here hyperanalyze Chris' bad traits and dramatically overestimate those bad traits' significance to your average normal, non-internet person when he's out in the field. Chris can be an annoying, creepy weirdo. I'm not saying that he's not. But there's a difference between "can be" and "110% of the time, no exceptions period". Edit: And the flip side of the coin is that Chris is boring as shit. He's also not super popular. My whole point is that: Making friends is not hard, even Chris can do it Make no assumptions about Chris' daily life unless you're getting daily updates on it. Since we haven't gotten daily updates on Chris' life, pretty much since Bob died, don't assume you know what Chris does based on golden age trolling info. Golden age trolling info was when we were actively seducing Chris away from venturing out into the world and half assedly pursuing other sources of socialization. When the trolls go away, Chris goes out into the world again. He's not great at it, but the world is a big place. He's talked to enough nerd/gay people in Charlottesville to the point where he struck upon some friends who nerds/gays in the same way that he does.

Manipulation of Chris During Catherine Saga

26 November 2017

In response to a user's comment, "So whenever he is trolled, let's say by Ivy, he learns to not trust a trollsona even if they talked to his parents on the phone beforehand. But that doesn't cover OKCupid for example (Catherine's initial 'in' was from there, IIRC), because he only learned how to prevent this particular permutation or this infiltration technique.":

Heh, so, when it comes to Catherine, we actually used extensive inside information to orchestrate that. It actually affected Chris mentally way more than we thought it would, because he kept citing that 98% compatibility rating persistently when Catherine tried to break up with him. We specifically matched every answer we made with every answer he made. It's not that it would be impossible to catfish him independently, but we have aggressively penetrating intelligence on his behavior and actions. Like trolling Chris is a science, not an art. You don't persuade Chris to fall for your shtick, you pay people who can set you up ahead of time. We got Chris to drive three states over, not because Chris is dumb and we're master manipulators, but because we had an inside source.

Troll-Scripted Content

7 December 2017

In response to a user's comment, "So what stuff was actually outright scripted?":

Most non-rant videos, like cakefarts. The rant videos were more freeform, though they often had a framework or were in response to a specific request. ie "talk about topics X, Y and Z, and be sure to mention that you think he's weak! call him weak, like some sort of big disaster, like a bridge collapsing. ooh, or compare him to 9/11! that'll embarrass him!"

Marvin on Chris knowing that he was the Man in the Pickle Suit

26 January 2018

I'm not in contact with Chris. (Other than the occasional tweet.) When people troll Chris, they frequently come to me for advice. In the process, they share details about what's going on. I don't know if Chris specifically knows I was the man in the pickle suit, but I think he'd probably forgive me, a la Adam Stackhouse and the other rehabilitated cwcville enemies. I think he knows my twitter handle is a troll, at least. And he forgave me at magfest for whatever he thinks I've done under my twitter handle.

Thetan Saga

24 June 2018

In response to a user's comment, "Who was Thetan again? As in what did they do to troll Chris?":

She pretended to be Chris' friends from high school. She was before Catherine, after Bob's death during the long period of silence (or maybe right after the silence ended? maybe she ended it? don't remember). The most notable thing I remember about her saga was that she made up that Borb hired Chris' high school friends. Chris got all sad and ran to Barb for comfort, to ask if it was true. And indeed, she confirmed it as true. (As far as we can trust stuff that Barb says, anyway.)

Marvin answers questions regarding OPERATION: Kingsnake

12 July 2018

In response to a user's comment, "Devoting hours to managing Chris would be the solution that would work best, but nobody has that time. But getting Chris to check in about anything that sounds suspicious could help.":

It takes like 15 minutes a day, tops. Null has the passwords to the accounts. He checks shit, deletes shit. Chris doesn't act on any messages unless Null gives it the OK first. Otherwise it just sits in his inbox. Hell, it's actually an email null set up. Chris specifically has all his business messages go there.

In response to a user's comment, "Okay, so explain - this predated the existence of the filters?"

The filters were from years ago. Chris asked one e-girlfriend in one saga to watch his shit. He stopped trying to balance "troll vs not troll" on his own and just let the e-girlfriend do it. He doesn't read the message, he clicks "forward" or moves it to the "troll info" folder. He also did it with Rob Bell, as I noted. Then the next e-girlfriend came along and didn't pick back up on that. Hasn't been a thing since. And that was back in like 2011? 2012? At the most recent.

Why Chris Continued Believing Idea Guys Influence

20 November 2018

In response to a user's comment, "This is what I don't understand and maybe you can help me out with this @Marvin

When Chris was talking to Boyd and Wise, he didn't know it was them right? He thought that through discord he was really talking to Hyperdimensional Neptunia characters, Gwenpool, Jesus Christ, and his hedgehog partners. In his mind he didn't see another human being on the other end, so when The Captain told him he was being scammed by two dweebs - did Chris make the connection that all these characters he was talking to were actually two dudes roleplaying?

because he still sticks close to the scenarios they were roleplaying, he still thinks that Magi-Chan confessed his love for Chris. In his mind, that memory is very real and he still doesn't see or admit the reality that it was some autistic dude on the internet. This is different from all the fake girlfriends, for example; when Julie said to Chris "I'm actually a 12 year old boy you pedofork", Chris wasn't saying the next day "that dang Bluespike, but Julie is still very real and I love her!". But here he is doing exactly that! still believing all these characters were real and probably still believing all the conversations and sex he had with them was real too... What gives, does he not realise the reality of the situation?

So on that note, does Chris actually know why he's mad at Wise and Boyd? Because if he doesn't see the full extent of what they did to him, and he's still ignorant to their actions, then what does he perceive them as doing wrong? Is he just mad at them because you guys told him these two did something bad to him, and that was good enough for Chris?

If you were to ask him now who was blackmailing him into punching barb and admitting to pedophilia, would he outright say it was Wise and Boyd or would he say it was Gweenpool and Pitohui and somehow Wise and Boyd were involved..."

"Reality" is a malleable concept to Chris. To Chris, that these losers were pretending to be imaginary characters doesn't mean they they didn't unwittingly connect with their counterparts in the other dimension or whatever. So yeah, he thinks Wise and Boyd were assholes who stumbled upon some magic or some shit. Chris is mostly mad about money first and being made to embarrass himself second. In regards to why he still maintains a lot of their canon, it's because Chris is too invested in his imaginary world to give up on it so easily. I think after Wise and Boyd were outed, he felt really uncomfortable about retconning most of their changes. Because if he retcons the past six months, then fuck, why can't he retcon all of it? That would make him feel really uneasy about the possible reality of his imaginary world. That reality is most important to him.

HRT

25 November 2018

In response to a user's comment, "I also still don't think Chris is on real HRT. That shit requires a pysch eval. I remember some where, some one mentioned the possibility he badgered a walk in clinic for some stuff his mother would take for menopause. But I digress; if a doctor approved him for actual HRT, they are fucking liable for all the health risks included, and who ever approved his pysch eval needs their licenses revoked. Chris is not intelligent enough to understand HRT can lead to early death.":

Not anymore, we've got informed consent nowadays. Basically if you say the right things to a therapist for a few months, they'll write you a recommendation for HRT and send you to an endocrinologist. Chris was referred to one at UVA. They gave him a script and made him sign away liability (the "informed consent" part). I knew about informed consent awhile ago, but I thought it was just some west coast debauchery. But unfortunately, it has reached the east coast, and a lot faster than I thought it would. For example, another lolcow, ContraPoints, lives in Baltimore, and he managed to scam some titty skittles from a shrink by blabbering the right keywords in like 3 months. FYI, the clinic he went to also offers pediatric trans care, including puberty blockers. The medical system has thrown its hands up and said "fuck it, do whatever you want, we don't give a fuck anymore".

Welfare Check on Barbara

8 December 2018

In a thread speculating on what will happen when Barbara dies, and in response to a user's comment, "There's a reasonably good chance "we" will find out before the authorities.":

There's no chance of that happening. Chris will lose his shit and call 911 immediately. He's done it before.

Another user commented, "Ah, okay, my bad. I was not aware he'd done so before (I was out of the CWC loop a lot during the last year or two). That's good to hear, though!"

Marvin replied:

It's not a publicly documented story, but one time he was driving like two hours away because he's banned from all the gamestops in the area, and he called to check in on Barb. She was asleep and didn't hear the phone. He flipped out and called 911.

Leaking of Idea Guys Videos

25 December 2018

In a thread on the Teen Troon Squad, and in response to a user's comment, "Wait, people named Devil and Lukas? Are these the same people who bought Chris's porn art for $1000 earlier this year?":

Yes, and they also bought "she came for cwc".

Another user commented, "I hope they're not norking with Wyse & Boyd.".

Marvin answered:

Nah, pretty sure they're independent.

Another user asked, “Then who leaked the All Star and slapping videos on Chris' twitter? There's no way they should have access to those videos. Do you have an explanation?”

Marvin answered:

Why wouldn't they? They just say "oh wow, idea guy was so mean to you, let's see those awful videos they made you make".

The user asked, "Why would Chris keep them though? Nothing about it makes sense to me imo"

Marvin answered:

Hard drive space is cheap. I can't imagine he deletes anything unless he has to.

Subverted White Knights

28 December 2018

In response to a user's comment, "My man, Chris has had at least 10 years of trolling but also 10 years of people white knighting him. People have felt bad for him. People have tried to help him in a number of ways. People have literally told him several times that he's being trolled: Don't talk to Julie it's a troll! Don't reply to Miyamoto it's a troll! Don't put up with Wise's extortion!. Everyone that try to help Chris have to kiss his ass to get anywhere close to him and when they warn him or try to help him Chris blocks them and continues to march into the fire.":

No he didn't. White knights were subverted. Their messages blocked, deleted before Chris could see them. If they got through, trolls would leak their conversations with Chris and accuse the helper of being the culprit. Trolls had a vise-like grip on Chris and that only loosened when they willingly gave up when Bob died. Since then, other trolls moved in and took up the mantle. But even if the conversation of who is or isn't a troll comes up with Chris, he's still not playing on level ground. Someone accuses Julie of being a troll. Julie says she's not a troll. Who should Chris pick? What if it's two people saying Julie's not a troll? Three? Four? Some of Chris' IRL friends saying she's not a troll? Almost every person in his life? When people try to help Chris, he's not knowledgeably throwing that help away. He cannot identify help. There's a platter with 20 different options, and one of those options is help, the rest are people trying to fuck him over. The numbers are not in Chris' favor. Chris doesn't go to work. He doesn't go to school. He doesn't have peers to socialize with. Think about where your typical 36 year old is in life. No 36 year old is going to befriend Chris. The only people Chris talks to are internet weirdos, usually trying to fuck with him, or the occasional random good samaritan. He's only got a small group of people to socialize with, and most of that group has been filled up by trolls. They've invaded his life IRL too, as we've seen. People will drive to his house to talk to him. At least two trolls have been inside Chris' house.

Idea Guys' Blackmailing

21 April 2019

In response to a user's comment, "The Idea Guy saga. They extorted 6K from him by threatening to blow up CWCville from a moon base witih a laser and he fell for it.":

Well, and they also extracted blackmail material from him, like making him "admit" to being a pedophile and and having him hit Barb and record it. (Like they were like "well, I mean, you thought your classmates were hot when you were in high school, right?? so you found a minor attractive! therefore you're a pedo! QED")

Marvin on lost content regarding the trolling of Chris

26 July 2019

In response to a user's comment, "Yeah. But all that is archived on the forum. Or is that not on there?"

No, something like 90% of what got Chris to make the videos he did was never made public.

See also

• CWCki Forums posts (Marvin)