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For discussion that doesn't fit into the other community pages - though do keep it related to the CWCki.
For discussion that doesn't fit into the other community pages - though do keep it related to the CWCki.


== Standards for inclusion ==
This is to continue the discussion that had begun on the [[Talk:Main Page#Are we focusing too much on Chris's enablers?|main page]]. As a way to separate tetrad members from trolls worthy of an article, I would propose the following metric in evaluating trolls: '''that Chris has actively produced content relating to them''', such as incorporating them into the ''Sonichu'' comic. Conversations on social networks are not enough. Truly influential trolls, such as [[the Miscreants]], Chris's various sweethearts through the years or more recently the [[Idea Guys]] or [[Sockness]], have inspired Chris to go to great lengths and produce substantial content. Common enablers like [[Sarah and Steve]] may get some occasional short dialogue on Discord or Twitter, but nothing like the old IRC logs or Mumble chats. Articles on those who are not significant enough by this standard to warrant their own article should probably be folded into brief mentions in their appropriate category. [[User:ChanOfTartary|ChanOfTartary]] ([[User talk:ChanOfTartary|talk]]) 16:18, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
: It is something worth looking into, although there is a small risk that if we overlook an enabler who started small then suddenly become big a few months or years later, then we might have trouble tracing back their footsteps. The internet can forget as much as to never forget, but at the same time, we are dealing with more and more people going into great lengths to leave their mark in the Sonichu lore. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 16:45, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
: We could Move the existing pages for enablers who don't make the cut into the CWCki namespace. That would also allow for keeping track without needing to write formally for the general CWCki audience. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 20:05, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
: Should we still move the articles to the CWCki:Enablers page or just leave the preservation to the article history? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 20:58, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
:: It is possibly better to leave them as article history. A simple search can find past references to an enabler from the Farms, but some enablers may well regard a CWCki article as some mark of honour or fame ensuring them a place in Christory. [[User:ChanOfTartary|ChanOfTartary]] ([[User talk:ChanOfTartary|talk]]) 21:16, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
::Makes sense. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 17:32, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
== Fan videos ==
I propose deletion of all fan videos sections as they add nothing of value to the wiki. - [[User:Klop|Klop|polK]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 08:21, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
:Not sure about removing all fan video sections - maybe if they're high quality enough and had effort put into them, they can stay, like some of the videos on [[THAT IS MY HOUSE]]. Agreed with your call on removing the reversal videos, though. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 08:14, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
:: I have to agree with Hurtful Truth Level, particularly since there are some pretty good fan videos like those VHS parodies by Mycalfelps. I wish they could finish reuploading them and also the "Greene County Conspiracy" trailer. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 11:18, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
::: Yeah, I deleted all the reverse videos. Everything else has been left untouched - [[User:Klop|Klop|polK]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 11:20, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
==Chris and ==
I have proposed some changes to the Chris and articles, since they are major, more discussion is required. [[CWCki:Improvement|Here are the changes]]. You can discuss on the CWCki Discord too. - [[User:Klop|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 15:42, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
:Chris and cosplaying could also just be renamed to Cosplaying, since it's not a significant aspect of Chris. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 20:16, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
::I agree - [[User:Klop|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 02:05, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
== Jerkops can now register new accounts ==
I asked Canine to set it up so that anyone in the Jerkops (moderator) user group can register new accounts. This should make it so we won't need to resort to fully opening registration and letting the spambots in. There should be a Create Account link in Special Pages that Jerkops can access - https://sonichu.com/cwcki/Special:CreateAccount.
Anyone wanting an account can PM a Jerkop on Kiwi Farms or Discord. They'd only need to provide an email address and user name. There's an option to automatically generate a password for them.
I could make a post about this in the Updating the CWCki thread on Kiwi Farms. Any jerkop who's open to being contacted about this, post your KF user name here and I'll tag you in the post. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 11:49, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
Kolp1607 on the farms [[User:Klop|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 11:57, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
== The future of "corner icons" ==
Within the last few days, we have seen more "corner icons" being added to a number of articles, such as [[Rosechu]] and [[Sonichu (character)]], in addition to existing ones at [[Chris and anger]] and [[Jacob Sockness]]. I wish to gather opinions on the future of this feature, because I am not seeing any purpose of such icons on this wiki, other than being random pictures in contravention on our policy of [[CWCki:CWCki is#CWCki is not Encyclopedia Dramatica|not copying]] Encyclopaedia Dramatica. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 17:51, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
:I think it’s getting way out of hand. I think very few article should have one. It just ruins the aesthetic if we just have one everywhere.[[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 18:51, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
:: In my opinion, I would prefer phasing them out completely: it just distracts the reader from the main content. I am sure that there are plenty of reasonable alternatives to corner icons, such as expanding said articles or adding more inline images. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 21:23, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
::: I agree, none of them add anything and distract users from the actual article. Complete removal is the best option. - [[User:Klop|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 03:34, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
==Gatekeepers==
There is a group of individuals who keep malicious individuals away from Chris. They enable his fantasies to keep him intrested but don't harm him in any other way. Should this be a new category to classify people or be a subsection in the enablers article. - [[User:Klop|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 08:13, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
:Just put them in the Enablers article. The main quality of an enabler is that they enable Chris’ bad habits, it doesn’t matter if it’s for good or bad intentions. [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 13:26, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
::Did it, though as time passes we may need a full article for them. Also now that they have publically revealed themselves, should we call this the "Gatekeeping saga". They've been guiding Chris since atleast October 2019. - [[User:Klop|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 01:15, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
:::Are you proposing that they would be a new member of the Unholy Tetrad? (By which point they’d be the “Unholy Quintet”) [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 05:35, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
::No, they very clearly come under Enablers as you pointed out. I'm proposing we call this time period the Gatekeeping saga since they have an incredibly deep root in Chris's life. - [[User:Klop|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 05:40, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
:Is it saga material? Usually sagas are for describing major happenings revolving around Chris. Gatekeeper stuff so far seems to be more about releasing material about the Sockness and Dimensional Merge sagas. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 08:56, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
==New Template: To Do==
Taking a page from [https://tcrf.net/The_Cutting_Room_Floor| The Cutting Room Floor], I think we should have a template that list things that should be added onto articles, that should work better than just having incomplete templates on several pages without an explanation. Does this sound like a good idea? [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 19:06, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
:It sounds like a useful idea. I suppose if a user has any suggestions but are too lazy to do the work themselves, they could always give some brief pointers on what could be done, so someone else can chip in later. [[User:Rossticus|Rossticus]] ([[User talk:Rossticus|talk]]) 21:21, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
== "xth year of organised trolling" ==
Little Owl mentioned on [[Talk:2021]] that use of the phrase "x year of organised trolling" is kind of outdated now, especially since we tend to discourage people from getting involved with Chris directly. Should articles about years still say "organised trolling", or should they just say "x year since Chris' discovery"? [[User:FokkerTISM|FokkerTISM]] ([[User talk:FokkerTISM|talk]]) 09:07, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
: I would say "x years since the discovery of Chris and the Sonichu franchise", because Sonichu is a very important part of the CWCiverse. Without the cringe-fest that is Sonichu, Chris would be just another fan of Pokémon and Sonic. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 19:32, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
:Agree on "discovery", I feel that while trolls and Sonichu are key aspects of the lore, for brevity's sake just "Chris's discovery" is sufficient. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 00:17, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
::I feel that there should be a point where organized trolling stopped. 2010 or 2011 fit that pretty well. I think that every article from 2007 to 2010/2011 should keep the "x year of organized trolling," but the years after that can be changed. [[User:Superspongebobbros|Superspongebobbros]] ([[User talk:Superspongebobbros|talk]]) 01:43, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
::I just updated all the articles from 2011 to 2021 to say "''x'' years since Chris's discovery" rather than "''x''th year of organized trolling."[[User:Superspongebobbros|Superspongebobbros]] ([[User talk:Superspongebobbros|talk]]) 20:23, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
== Adding a Manipulation Disclosure to all Chris videos? ==
Should we edit the [[:Template:Infobox/video]] to insert a message pointing out that most videos were the result of troll manipulation? Something along the lines of:
{{quoteboxwhite|'''[[Manipulation]] Disclosure:''' The views Chris  expresses may or may not be his own. Many of Chris's videos were orchestrated behind the scenes by trolls putting ideas in his head or goading him to act out; the majority of these interactions was never released to the public.}}
[[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 00:14, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
:Adding it to *all* videos seems like overdoing it. I'm pretty sure most people who spend an hour on the CWCki without any context at all will realize that half of Chris's life has been fabricated by trolls. Since videos Chris makes of his own volition seem to be the outliers, maybe an infobox disclaimer for videos Chris wasn't manipulated into making would be more helpful. With that being said, contextual textboxes should only be included if they're necessary, and I don't think any are warranted for this sort of thing.
:[[User:Abaddon|Abaddon]] ([[User talk:Abaddon|talk]]) 01:01, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
::Which videos are of his own volition can be hard to determine, though. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 01:08, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
:::For that reason alone, adding in an infobox for videos possibly-maybe-not-manipulated-out-of-Chris-by-trolls would be an addition which could be untrue for certain videos. [[User:Abaddon|Abaddon]] ([[User talk:Abaddon|talk]]) 01:22, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
:Kind of late, but I like the idea. [[User:Holdek|Holdek]] ([[User talk:Holdek|talk]]) 04:15, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
:Noticed that in the [[List of videos]], it shows that there were relatively few videos prior to Chris beginning interactions with trolls in late 2007. So maybe a way to address the concern of applying to all videos would be to make a second video template for the videos prior to troll influences. So the pre-trolls [[FUTURE MESSAGE]] could have a new template (which resembles the current one), and the trolls-era [[Twin Falling Towers]] could use the original video template but modified with the manipulation disclosure. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 05:33, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
== Contingency ==
So as you may know Kiwifarms may be in some hot water. If they go the way of 8Chan in August 2019 what's the plan to keep the Cwcki from going down forever, because IIRC this is hosted by a service set up by Null that would go down if KF is deplatoformed. The KF drama is affecting the Cwcki right now in fact, I've been getting intermittent time out errors as of late. [[User:Homsar|Homsar]] ([[User talk:Homsar|talk]]) 03:44, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
:Wait a minute, what's going on with Kiwi Farms? I don't really pay attention to it, but I'm gonna assume that this has something to do with Null saying that he would shut down the site if Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act wasn't renewed. [[User:Superspongebobbros|Superspongebobbros]] ([[User talk:Superspongebobbros|talk]]) 17:59, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
::It's under a DDOS attack. Marvin/[[User:Canine]] would be the one to ask about contingencies, he's the owner. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 18:16, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
== Doxxing ==
In the light of the Suitress policy, I've been thinking about how this site treats people's personal info in general. While people like [[Bella]] and [[Sean Walker]] definitely deserve to be exposed for who they really are, and people like [[Michael Snyder]] and [[Megan Schroeder]] have been doxxed by Chris himself beyond the point of no return, I can't think of any reason to display the real names of people like [[Copitz]] and [[Doopie]], especially in light of Chris becoming a sex criminal.
Doopie never wanted to get involved with Chris, while [[Copitz]]'s worst crime was just hanging out with a known internet celebrity years ago. Now that Chris's crimes are revealed to the mainstream, this kind of thing can have a real impact on people's lives. I propose we systematically remove this kind of blanket doxxing from articles unless there's a clear reason for it. --[[User:4CentUser|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser|talk]]) 15:51, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
:I think we should hammer out what a clear reason would be. I don't think it should be based on whether people deserve it, that can get messy. Maybe go by how much of the person's name Chris used. Like he's used first and last names referring to Michael and Megan. Whereas with Doopie and Copitz, he's used first names. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 18:30, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
::I like this idea, and I also think we should consider these things in this era where more and more people are being aware of Chris. We should also consider the events that surrounded their dox. In the case of Suitress, Chris only used her first name on one occasion, and that was in the one where he promised not to rage at Everfree. Every other instance he used the pseudonym she created. He had never used her full name. People only learned of her full name by Bella leaking it everywhere, and even then it's more or less forgotten, and other websites are making efforts to wipe it as well. Therefore, I think it's much easier to handle her being anonymous on the site. More involved people like Megan, Adam Stackhouse, Michael Snyder, and others can't get this treatment since they've all been established since the beginning, and because they keep getting namedropped. [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 18:40, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
:Regarding pages like Doopie with an infobox, maybe under Name it could just have the person's name up to how much of it Chris used. So for Doopie the Name could read "Danielle" and use [[Doopie E-mails]] as a reference. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 19:47, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
How should other identifying info, like birthdates, be handled? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 05:39, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
:As I said, unless the birthdays are somehow crucial to understanding Christory, it isn't necessary. I wouldn't say it's the worst offense, though. [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 14:01, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
::At the moment, I think birthdays for relatives and people closely related to Chris are fair game. [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 14:27, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
Well, this is certainly a subject I have opinions on. First of all, very little if anything that's been done on this site I think really constitutes "doxing" to any high degree. At worst it's repeating real names that have been exposed ''elsewhere'', I don't think anyone's been doxed first here, at least anytime in recent memory. But if anything rises to the occasion of a more severe "doxing", it's the birthdays. Birthday, location, and name, now we're getting to the territory of "doxing". Just listing names, not so much.
To me, anyone and everyone who willfully interacts with Chris and particularly who gets involved with any sort of elaborate troll/countertroll operations is fair game to be documented. This includes the "Suitress", random weens that show up at the house, random people who fucked with Chris on Twitter, people who make stupid videos about Chris on YouTube, every member of the Watchmen, Knights, and any similar group, and so on, not to exclude contributors to this Wiki (or to the Kiwi Farms) and particularly not to exclude their friends. Their is a blindingly obviously double standard at play here particularly in the hands of [[User:HurtfulTruthLevel]], something which I've documented extensively (and not without a bit of pushback) [https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-american-hedgehog-socked-on-cwcki-involved-with-watchmen-knights-of-cwc-and-others.100474/|elsewhere].
Most egregious is the consistent targeting of Meghan Ringo, for reasons that I don't quite understand. I'm not her friend or guardian and if there is solid reason to target her I'm totally on board, and I'm not saying that she shouldn't be doxed/documented, because she should (more than meeting the criteria I laid out above), just that it is, again, blindingly obvious that she was at some point deemed fair game while there is pushback on documenting Anaxis, for instance, or now Kyle, or even someone like Sean. To believe that there is the remotest amount of objectivity here strains all credulity if you are aware that these are people with whom HTL (who was, for those keeping score at home, against the doxing of Wise and Boyd, of all people) and others here have mixed socially.
I don't really understand the aversion to doxing people here, these are people who wilfully interacted with Chris, i.e. were cruisin' for a bruisin' to begin with.  People's identities being "relevant to Chris" is a criteria worth considering, after all, it's not the weenipedia. Whether Chris used their name and what name he used seems like so much autistic nitpicking. Picking and chosing who gets their name shared is inconsistent and open to some egregious abuses. To my mind if people are notable enough to be included they are notable enough to be named. (I won't get into the Suitress and Wallflower situations other than to say I don't agree, but the principle that these two got in more or less over their heads and deserve a pass is one that's grounded in basic decency, I think. Same with Doopie. I can't fathom why Coptiz's name was redacted, though, other than personal connections yet again.)
But more realistically, there are a few different categories: (a) the core ''dramatis personae'', already doxed to high heaven, this would include Chandler family members; Meghan Schroeder, etc. (b) important Internet personalities like Meghan K. Ringo, the rest of the Watchmen, etc.; (c) major players in major scandals like Sean Walker, Isabella Loretta Janke, Devon John Infinito, Wise and Boyd, etc.; (d) public figures like (also) Devon John Infinito, Ethan Oliver Ralph, etc.; (e) random weens from the Internet who get doxed as sport like Rosa Ray Ramsey; (f) weens who take it to the next level like Ellen Underwod Willis or Dylon James Winfield. There might be one or more categories that could be added and I'm only focusing on recent history here but I feel like the gradations here are pretty objective and less liable to being abused, fewer double standards of which there are many at present.
A concrete policy is needed not only to produce better and more consistent quality content but to not just plain exude a scandalous lack of objectivity and distinct odor of backroom dealings.
Just how I feel about it. [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 15:17, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
P.S. There is only one "x" in "doxing". [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 15:18, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
== Potential New Direction for the Wiki.  "Life Advice", "Parental Guides", "How to be Normie and Not Chris", "Psychoanalysis Theories by Accredited Psychiatrists, Psychotherapists, and Therapists" ==
Now with Chris in prison and his life ruined forever permanently confirmed, this wiki will definitely be going through a dry spell aside from minor updates.
(i.e. predictably, more letters, Chris getting abused in the shower room, being released as a homeless person at age 50, shock surprising us once again by attempting to molest a child only to get beat up by said child, than, shock surprising us again by trying to molest a horse, then getting clopped in the nads by said horse, and then dying, but not before defecating on his own face before he dies.  His final words being "MMMMM!  I love the taste of my own POOP!") ...So, to keep users active, I propose a plethora of new things.  One of them being the creation of articles designed to keep people from falling into the same irrecoverable pit that Chris did.  Chris was not the first to do most of the embarrassing things he did.  There have been other lolcows on the net, and they all fall into similar pits if not as hard as Chris.  Take David Gonterman for instance, or Robert Pelloni from Bob's Game infamy, ChaseTheHedgehog or YandereDEV or A-log.  They all share similarities and a dash of the highly potent flaws that Chris possessed.  Then you have to take into account that there are like 10000 or more people out there like them who are undiscovered.  I am of theory that our society is dysfuctional, and made so because of a lack of care by wealthy individuals and policymakers and businessemn.  And that if things aren't improved, there are going to be less and less prodigies, inventors, leaders, and cool people, and more and more lolcows and general losers like Chris.
Take for instance, this.  A sign of the times:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/minority-report/202007/why-millennials-love-anime-and-hentai-pornography
https://www.bustle.com/articles/99659-millennials-are-masturbating-to-my-little-pony-porn-says-new-survey-and-rainbow-dash-is-the
Now I've been inspired by this ED article, which is my favorite:
https://encyclopediadramatica.online/The_Comprehensive_Guide_To_Life
It contains so much useful info that a lot of people these days don't regard.  They live their lives wrong, and then what happens?  They get weirdo internet fetishes and become basement dwellers.  They also get desperate and either become like that doll collector from Paranoia Agent or they hook up with volatile partners and suffer with it indefinitely or divorce.  The children suffer the most, because they are confused and there is no light for them and they lack skills to become competent adults because Corps see all human beings as cattle to be milked for money, and money doesn't really have real value anyway outside perception when you think about it.
I think this wiki should rocket itself forward and become a learning tool.  I worry so much about today's parents.  I see them letting their kids use the internet and talk with fandoms that will lead to getting fetishes and becoming weird.  I see Parent letting their kids eat McDonalds because they financially struggle, and the kids get fat, and then they get stupid because they are fat.  Kids are also unable to go out side and exercise.  They lack discipline and they need to know martial arts and yoga stances much like kids in Asian countries do and make a routine out of it every morning.  Kids need to become worldly, and learn about all cultures and countries and people and ingrain good disciplines and clean their houses and manage their finances.
I think all parents need to know about Chris Chan, and have thoughts of him in the back of their head so that they avoid everything that Bob and Barb did whenever doing a parental decision so that their kid is happy and successful and moral and just plain good.
This wiki needs to recruit actual psychiatrists, therapists, and psychoanalysts, and other mental socio scientists to analyze our findings and create road maps to life fulfillment. --[[User:TippyToesTommyTalarico|TippyToesTommyTalarico]] 21:22, 21 October 2021
: That sounds like an interesting idea, but it goes far beyond the scope of this website. If you still wanted to do something like that here, you could make a [[Template:Essay|personal user essay]] and open it up for other people to edit, but I don't think it would warrant actual article space. --[[User:4CentUser|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser|talk]]) 01:22, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
== Conflicts of interest ==
Editors who have documented connections to the topics of articles should not be permitted to directly edit those articles. For more detail, see my comments on [[Talk:The Journey to the Merge#Deceptive attribution]]. --[[User:4CentUser|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser|talk]]) 00:34, 27 October 2021 (UTC)


==Hey people, how about those Mumble chats?==
== Barbara station ==
I've started a "10 minutes at a time" project to finish transcribing mumbles.  Transcribing sucks, but 10 minutes in one go can relieve the strain on the people transcribing.  Especially since if we get 10 or more people on board, transcribing a Mumble can be finished in the space of a couple of days instead of one person over the course of 10 days.  I have a couple of people on board, but it would be nice to have several more.  For the specifics of how it works, go to my [[User:Fuckingstupid|user page]].  [[Mumble_7|The Mumble chat we are currently tackling is #7]].  It would be nice if anyone who has a couple spare hours a day to transcribe a simple 10 minutes.  Thanks in advance. --[[User:Fuckingstupid|Fuckingstupid]] 22:25, 22 July 2010 (UTC)


== Chris and Love Suggestion? ==
Just a quick heads up that there is now a train station called [[Barbara]]… {{w|Barbara (Paris Métro)|in Paris}}. I know it is named after a French singer, but I could not avoid noticing the name. Sorry for being busy: some people do have real lives. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 10:03, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
I was thinking we should add a new article on the "Chris and...." series. Perhaps "Romance"? Maybe give an insight on his idea of being romantic. I feel we could write good article on this. There's a shit load of cheesy awkward sayings. Also,an observation on his behavior on dates with trolls could be good. Just a thought. --[[User:Bealtespip122]]


* Not a bad idea. Because Chris has blurred the line between romance and sex. With him, it's one in the same. Would be interesting to poke at I think. [[User:Chris_Pickles|Chris_Pickles]]
== Icons modernisation ==


Aye, "romance" to him is just a means to an end. He sees act of dating as not about two people enjoying each others company, it's just to test compatibility so they can eventually fuck. Anything beyond that is just a ruse to keep the woman interested. I can't imagine him having a sincere desire to have an emotional connection with another human being, he just wants to be coddled and pleased. --[[User:Xanabit|Xanabit]] 05:10, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
I am putting out a request for someone to do a full review and refresh of the icons for the new {{tl|Saga}} template. This is because a number of them (such as that for Childhood and the CWCipedia) are provisional. My proposed specifications are as follows:
* The icons should use the PNG file format.
* The icons should have a transparent background.
* The icons should be 32×32 pixels.
* The icons for meta sagas should have a circular frame, to distinguish them from standard saga icons.
* The icons should have a file name format of {{Code|Saga icon [Saga Name].png}}.
I decided to suggest increasing the icon size from 20×20 pixels to 32×32 pixels, because the latter was the default size for Windows icons, until the XP era ([https://www.howtogeek.com/733912/a-visual-history-of-windows-icons-from-windows-1-to-11/ source]). Changing to 32×32 pixels will also allow more detail, while not affecting the ''retro'' factor.


*[[Love quest]] more or less seems to cover this.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 05:38, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
Any questions, please reply below. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 17:47, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
:I have informed one submitter (via Discord) that 24x24 may be permissible as long as the other criteria is met. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 19:33, 19 February 2023 (EST)


*I'd say the Love Quest really covers his attempts at "reelin' in da ladiez" and being thwarted by outside forces. Not so much as a personal insight into what Chris thinks is romantic or sweet. --[[User:Bealtespip122|Bealtespip122]] 16:31, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
== Non-YouTube videos ==
** Rather than being covered by the love quest page, it's just mentioned; same treatment for [[Chris and sex]]. The events of the Megan, Ivy, and Wallflower sagas tell a lot about his view of romance. Can't forget the essential McDonald's date either. Without some good writing, though, it might not make the best article.  --[[User:Schuzrum-dias|Schuzrum Dias]] 17:35, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
*well he wanted to make " Date Education" apart from sex education, i think a chris and romance, detailing what he thinks is romance would be a nice add to the cwcki.---[[User:Basgon|Basgon]] 17:13, 26 July 2010 (UTC)


== Fridays After Five yet again ==
I'd like to add some videos to the CWCki, however, the content would make it difficult to host it on YouTube. (etc. NSFW content) Some videos on the CWCki are already on the Internet Archive, but I believed Marvin talked about possibly using PeerTube in the KF CWCki thread. Where should I upload these videos? --[[User:Gray Deign|Gray Deign]] ([[User talk:Gray Deign|talk]]) 21:31, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
:Due to the uncertainty with the Kiwi Farms (Zayo just threw them out), I would recommend to consider establishing our very own PeerTube instance. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 17:51, 24 October 2022 (EDT)


This probably isn't a big surprise to anyone, but Chris was also at Fridays After Five on July 16th. No pictures, I'm afraid. He was wearing a bright orange sleeveless shirt with what looked like a beer logo on the back and holding a Budweiser aluminum bottle, a little mini fan made to look like an iPod, and a hula hoop for some reason. Most importantly he had a sort of basic attraction sign with him, nothing elaborate or directly sexual but it said something like "Friendly and Flirty Man Zone" or something similar to that and with more smaller text under that I couldn't make out. He was sitting on the back grass part and left a few minutes before the music was over. I would have loved to catch Chris's attempts at using the hula hoop, I bet that was funny as hell. [[User:Camelopardalis|Camelopardalis]] 03:25, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
== Endangered/extinct? links/websites ==
*Good work. Mind getting some pictures next time? [[User:CrassCrab|CrassCrab]] 03:28, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
**If I get to Charlottesville again when it's going on, I'll see what I can do. [[User:Camelopardalis|Camelopardalis]] 03:53, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
::*No pressure. It's your prerogative. [[User:CrassCrab|CrassCrab]] 03:59, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
:::* If you're some tard trying to get attention, fuck you, die. I have to put that disclaimer in nowadays, nothing personal. If you're being TRUE and HONEST, thank you so much for reporting this, because Chris holding something that says "Friendly and Flirty Man Zone" would be the most unintentionally hilarious thing that has ever happened. [[User:Sully|Sully]] 05:33, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
::::* Oh no, this is very real. I have another person confirming the hula hoop thing. The man zone thing is what confirms it. Yeah. It's pretty damn retarded. [[User:Clydec|Clydec]] 06:30, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
::::* Holy shit, I'm just trying to help out during a dry spell and I'm even willing to try going back and get pics, and your reaction is "fuck you, die"? May I also point out that this very site has a giant banner across the top of the main page making in very clear that they want all sightings reported? What on earth is wrong with you? [[User:Camelopardalis|Camelopardalis]] 14:12, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::*Well, I say thanks for your assistance. Clyde confirms what is obviously good intel. Pics are nice, but hey. Nice find anyhow. Keep up the great work. --[[User:Ronichu|Ronichu]] 15:01, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::*Since we have confirmation, I guess I'll add this as a sighting to the Fridays after five article.  Thanks a bunch Camelopardalis.--[[User:Beat|Beat]] 16:16, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::::*Thanks, guys. To answer some of the "What, no pictures?!" sentiment, I went there to listen to some music and didn't really expect to see anything photo-worthy. These are local bands that usually play in bars and so on. Lots of people didn't bring cameras, especially as the band was a country-bluegrass bunch, not exactly Lady Gaga. I'll definitely have a camera along next time, just in case. [[User:Camelopardalis|Camelopardalis]] 01:51, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::::*Oh, and I think I can explain the hula hoop. If you look at the pictures of Chris at FAF on July 9, the wide shots taken from inside the seats area, not the close-up one on CWCki, there's two young girls and apparently their moms using hula hoops right behind him. I know the general opinion is Chris isn't a pedo, but all it takes is some basic logic that he observed little girls hula hooping at FAF and then brought one the next week himself. Not that creepy behavior is anything new for Chris but following up the kid-photographing incident with this? [[User:Camelopardalis|Camelopardalis]] 02:09, 20 July 2010 (UTC)


== "fan works purge", including TV Tropes even here ==
I've been working on replacing/finding archives for dead links in articles for the past few days. I think we should have a discussion of websites that are often used as references and can be considered as endangered. These websites should have a high priority in obtaining archives to prevent content from being lost. I'll start with a couple examples, feel free to add others and contribute to the discussion.


[http://www.cogsdev.org/cwcki/Special:Log/delete Partying like it's 1937] makes me kinda sad. --[[User:Sonijew is back|Sonijew is back]] 05:42, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
CWCipedia: / http://archive.sonichu.com/cwcipedia/index.php?title=Main_Page Is this something staff plan to fix in the future, or should we replace those links with archives from archive.org /etc?
* Meh. That Tropes "article" was one of the biggest crimes in CWCki history, and the Charles Wilbur Crushman thing was the first online item I've come across that was such a steaming pile of shit I could actually smell it. The rest I have no comment on, but there was so much selfsucking garbage on here that it justified a deletion policy, and it probably justified said deletion as well. [[User:Sully|Sully]] 05:48, 19 July 2010 (UTC)


::Crimes against the people, I guess. Goodbye [http://www.youropinionsarewrong.com/images/random/stalin-airbrush.jpg Comrade T.V. Tropes], hardly we knew ye. --[[User:Sonijew is back|Sonijew is back]] 06:25, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
Chris's Facebook page: / https://www.facebook.com/CwcvilleGuardian I've been getting a "This content isn't available right now" message when trying to view posts. Not sure if anyone else is able to view the page or if the account has been deleted, privated, or something else.


:::The whole fan works section was a mistake in the first place. [[User:Clydec|Clydec]] 06:34, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
Kiwi Farms/CWCki Forums / https://kiwifarms.net/: Site is currently down right now after being pulled by ISPs, but is expected to come back up soon.
[[User:Gray Deign|Gray Deign]] ([[User talk:Gray Deign|talk]]) 18:14, 26 October 2022 (EDT)


::::Counter-revolutionary nest that sabotages and opposes the creative work of the people. --[[User:Sonijew is back|Sonijew is back]] 06:39, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
:Marvin mentioned a server for CWCipedia stuff, he might be working on it still.


::::: shut up, you face [[User:Clydec|Clydec]] 06:42, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
:Regarding Kiwi Farms, how should we approach archiving? Wayback removed its archive of KF. There's still Archive.today. Maybe we could take screenshots of specific posts and upload to CWCki. We could also evaluate which KF references are necessary - I believe a chunk of those links are things like screenshots of Chris's tweets which we could replace with the CWCki's social media pages. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 09:33, 27 October 2022 (EDT)


The fan-works thing started out as a few fun little comics and stories that where just basically bored people fucking around and satirizing Chris' shit. Then people started taking it seriously, or trying to become e-famous, or just generally being self important and retardedThe good "fan-works" can be archived and stored elsewhere, because unless it's specifically relevant to Chris or a Chris event it really doesn't belong here.
::I believe archive.today would be the best option to archive links from Kiwi Farms when the site comes back up. There are some pages that still use the cwckiforums.com domain as a reference such as [[July 2013 Facebook Posts]]; those should be replaced with the kiwifarms.net urls + archives when Kiwi Farms comes back up (unless the CWCki Forums link already has already been archived, then we should just replace the non-archived link)Other pages that use cwckiforums.com urls as a reference can be found [[Special:LinkSearch|here]]


More importantly, most of the fan-works sucked metric ass, and it was bringing in a massive collection of morons that where really starting to fag up the place.  Personally, I think the "fan-works purge" is the best thing to happen to the CWCki in a long time.
::I agree that Kiwi Farms links that are just screenshots of Chris's Tweets could be replaced with the CWCki's social media pages. Screenshots should be used for posts that are relevant to the CWCki, such as LegendaryChristorian's posts to KF.  


== this community portal split idea was retarded ==
::https://kiwifarms.net/threads/good-day-people.34903/ / https://archive.ph/aVoza
a very good post by clydec age 9 [[User:Clydec|Clydec]] 06:37, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
*WARNED YOU ABOUT THE SPLIT, BRO.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 17:00, 23 July 2010 (UTC)


== Look what I did ==
::https://kiwifarms.net/threads/i-curse-each-and-every-one-of-you-all.34943/ archive: https://archive.ph/UCPRI [[User:Gray Deign|Gray Deign]] ([[User talk:Gray Deign|talk]]) 10:53, 27 October 2022 (EDT)


I made a couple of userboxes. Use them, disdain/ridicule them, or improve them as you see fit.
::: Kiwi Farms is now back up on TOR, but not yet for the clearnet, which is expected to be up for tomorrow. Now is a good time to gather screenshots and hopefully archives. [[User:Gray Deign|Gray Deign]] ([[User talk:Gray Deign|talk]]) 13:24, 30 October 2022 (EDT)


<small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:SeventhBase|SeventhBase]] ([[User talk:SeventhBase|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/SeventhBase|contribs]]) </span></small>
:::: Kiwi Farms is now back up on the clearnet! [[User:Gray Deign|Gray Deign]] ([[User talk:Gray Deign|talk]]) 21:08, 31 October 2022 (EDT)
:Nice work - just enhancing your template links and signing your posts. --[[User:Anonymax|Anonymax]] 17:20, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
:: no these are stupid [[User:Clydec|Clydec]] 04:54, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
::More userboxes are not really what we need right now. --[[User:Fuckingstupid|Fuckingstupid]] 22:30, 22 July 2010 (UTC)


== new idea for speculation ==
== Pages for Kiwi Farms posts ==
speculation runs high. split that up into multiple pages or something [[User:Clydec|Clydec]] 04:54, 22 July 2010 (UTC)


==Chris and relationships==
Continuing off the above topic, maybe we should have CWCki pages for archiving notable CWC-related posts from Kiwi Farms members for use as CWCki references, in a similar way as the social media pages archiving Chris's Facebook and Twitter and the Discord pages archiving his chats. For example, make [[Kiwi Farms posts (LegendaryChristorian)]], [[Kiwi Farms posts (Null)]], etc. This would also help with keeping track of chronological order of posts. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 14:48, 3 November 2022 (EDT)
Just a short idea: There are several categories regarding Chris relationships, aquaintances (for example [[Galpals|Galpals]] "Males Chris doesn't hate") orjust general people he interacted with. I think it might be beneficial to have a kind of overview regarding what people he interacted with in what timeline. Could also be linked under "friends" etc. in order to illustrate the extent of his growing social isolation and successive personal development. -- [[User:Miela|Miela]] 13:22, 24 July 2010 (UTC)


== July 23 Fridays After Five ==
: We could do that, but there are other pages such as [[CWCki Forums]] and [[GameFAQs]] that include Chris's posts without needing a separate page, probably because there aren't as many GameFAQs posts from Chris as there are tweets from Chris.


I was at FAF this weekend, didn't stay for the whole thing, I was gone by about 7:30 or so but as far as I could tell Chris wasn't there. Actually the whole thing was pretty dead compared to the usual turnout, especially the lawn area which was almost empty. Heat index was something like 110, so I can't blame him for staying home, unless the reason was that Chris feels he's too heavily monitored at FAF these days. I did remember one more thing about Chris at FAF last week though, he had on dark wraparound sunglasses on... UNDER his regular eyeglasses. [[User:Camelopardalis|Camelopardalis]] 22:25, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
:Maybe we could create/revise a heading within the [[Kiwi Farms]] page that archives important posts from Kiwi Farms in addition to LegendaryChristorian. We could also include a sentence in the lead section that list notable individuals that have made posts on Kiwi Farms; ex. "In addition to Chris and Null, other Christorical figures that have made posts to Kiwi Farms include [[Man in the Pickle Suit|The Man In The Pickle Suit]], [[Asperchu|Alec Benson Leary]], etc".[[User:Gray Deign|Gray Deign]] ([[User talk:Gray Deign|talk]]) 11:42, 5 November 2022 (EDT)
:I guess that confirms his shades aren't prescription. Makes sense, he chose the cheapest frames available for his glasses, why would be spend the money for something expensive like prescription sunglasses? --[[User:Xanabit|Xanabit]] 22:28, 24 July 2010 (UTC)


==Modnation Levels==
::I'm not sure how large the page would become if posts from several people are archived onto it. If it gets too big later and necessitates a split it would require rewriting references that point to [[Kiwi Farms]] page to any split-off pages. So I think it would be better to split the posts by user at the start. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 00:29, 6 November 2022 (EDT)
I don't suppose anybody's actually played any of Chris's levels or anything?


It's completely understandable if nobody wants to play them, given that it's Chris, I'm sure they're all garbage, but currently all we have on his modnation efforts are a bunch of tiny screencaps I took from the website. We covered all of his LBP nonsense in detail, it's kinda weird that nobody's even tried to look into his tracks.
::: I guess it would depend on how many posts would be included on the page. LegendaryChristorian only has two. Null has many, but I'm not sure how to discern which posts would need to be archived for users other than Chris. I do see your point though and it probably is better to create new pages, especially for those that could have long pages. [[User:Gray Deign|Gray Deign]] ([[User talk:Gray Deign|talk]]) 08:35, 6 November 2022 (EST)


Any intrepid PS3 owners wanna step up?--[[User:Beat|Beat]] 21:30, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
:My thought is the post archiving would be for use as in-article citations. Like, the Null article has a quote from Null and it's cited with a KF / Archive.today link. Instead the citation could point to [[Kiwi Farms posts (Null)#Sad about Chris's roleplaying]] which has the text from Null's post along with the KF / Archive link. I think this would give another option for archiving in addition to Archive.today. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 10:53, 6 November 2022 (EST)


I don't know if anyone else has suggested it already, but I've got a feeling that one of the best ways to reach (and troll) Chris right now is through ModNation, considering he probably spends most of his time there. Just track him down, join him in a game, "befriend" and chat with him... then beat him silly on his own levels and expect lulz. --[[User:SeventhBase|SeventhBase]] 06:47, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
::I created a page for [[Kiwi Farms posts (LegendaryChristorian)]]. If there's any feedback that could improve the article let me know. [[User:Gray Deign|Gray Deign]] ([[User talk:Gray Deign|talk]]) 12:19, 6 November 2022 (EST)


I'm sure everyone would appreciate good let's-play videos of the ModNation levels (along the lines of the LBP owl level preview video). Does ModNation allow recording/playing back online matches? Dramatic replays and dreadful overanalysis of Chris's online games would be terribly appreciated. I mean, I don't watch motorsports, but microsecond-by-microsecond commentary on clumsy moves just might be worth watching. =) --''[[User:Wwwwolf|wwwwolf]]'' <span style="font-size:smaller;">([[User talk:Wwwwolf|wake me when you need me]])</span> 10:35, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
== Generation IX Pokémon ==


==Just a question==
Hey CWCki editors, {{w|Pokémon Scarlet and Violet}} just came out on 18 November 2022, and that will bring up the total number of Pokémon to about 1,008. This means that the Pokémon numbers for Chris's own Pokémon will clash with the new actual Pokémon. I recommend keeping and eye out for Pokémon with specific numbers such as #979 (Rosechu) and #982 (Sonichu), and update to reflect reality accordingly. For the latter, it is speculated to be Dudunsparce, but Bulbapedia has not confirmed it. Take care for the holidays and 2023. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 10:56, 18 December 2022 (EST)
Not sure it this is the right place to ask or talk about a question or if this is old news but forgive me if I am wrong about anything, but may I ask whats the deal with the Cwiki and /cwc/ fighting and every thing can't find anything about whats going?--[[User:Kota88|Kota88]] 15:47, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
*As far as I'm aware, there isn't anything. If you're talking about Delebonte being a fag and making a shittalk template, that doesn't have to do with /cwc/. /cwc/, as I see it, is a place where people go to talk about Chris. It's the watercooler where everyone goes to provide their own theories without threat of retribution. Cwcki is a place where facts are documented and presented. They don't really conflict, and /cwc/ doesn't really seem to be vandalising this site or anything, so I guess you just have bad information. [[User:Freecell|Freecell]] 15:49, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
Ok thanks, what I got was something about something about legi0n or who ever being mad about furrys being on the cwciki and users being blacklisted by someone but idk, I can't look a the thread right now because when ever i got to the /cwc/ I keep getting the message saying "Website Disabled". but anyway thanks for clearing this up a little for me.--[[User:Kota88|Kota88]] 16:02, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
*I can probably explain that one. People on /cwc/ follow most of the same "rules" as other imageboards (e.g. 4chan, 7chan, etc.) and as such tend to ban furries and stuff because they spam their boards with fetish porn. On the CWCki, this isn't an issue, and so we have a more lax set of rules. For people who don't understand the difference between the two systems, they might be led to believe that we are a furry site, when in fact we are just tolerant. I wouldn't worry about it too much. [[User:Freecell|Freecell]] 16:10, 28 July 2010 (UTC)


==Old News==
==Template for resized high quality photos==
Thinking about slapping together a template for use in files, to note when high quality photos are resized down significantly from original source, since the CWCki can't host high-quality images due to file size limits. Thinking of adapting something like [[:Template:Needs Updating]] for this, and using a site like Imgur to host the original photos then putting the URLs into the template. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 05:14, 19 April 2023 (EDT)


Hey, newfag here. On Bulbapedia, there was apparently a small battle over whether or not to make Sonichu as a page, with Chris (obviously) being the sole supporter. A user posted quotes from their supposed discussion here: http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/blog.php?b=15577 Considering said user had no idea who Sonichu was at the time of this discussion, or shortly before I told him a few hours earlier, I'm betting money it actually happened. Thing is, this happened in August of last year, so where should it go? - [[User:CypherFDP|CypherFDP]] 12:47, 30 July 2010 (EST)
== Solution needed for archival of content currently hosted only at Kiwi Farms ==
:(Are you Brazilian/Portuguese by any chance?) I can't really confirm it's him. The use of "OVER 9" (like that stupid meme), incorrect use of "Your" (he's stupid, but that's not one of his quirks), NOT censoring the F-word with asterisks, as well as calling you a troll outright (though I wouldn't put it past him, frankly) and declaring the "reality" of Sonichu out in the open (he does probably believe this, but he would only insinuate it)... These are rather consistent with a copycat troll than the TRUE and HONEST Chris-chan. But if we DO get a confirmation, it should go in its own article, along with a Da Update showing that new information was unearthed.--[[User:SeventhBase|SeventhBase]] 05:05, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
*No, I was born in the Philippines, grew up in America. But anyway, I doubt we'll get any sort of confirmation, Chris has most likely long forgotten about this. I suppose I can ask if any of the conversation is left, but I don't think it'll prove anything. - [[User:CypherFDP|CypherFDP]] 1:10, 30 July 2010 (EST)
**Well, this is the only other edit he made. "I would like you to know that Sonichu is a REAL Pokemon. I know, because I have over 9 years of canon from him and his world, and have been in talks with Nintendo to put Sonichu and Rosechu into animal crossing, and have been in talk with Sega to make a Sonichu video game. Please consider this. Thank you. I will dare to keep my dreams alive." Hmm. Yeah, from the looks of it, it appears it was nothing more than a poser. I doubt even Chris would say something like that. Of course, I'm a newfag so make of it what you will. - [[User:CypherFDP|CypherFDP]] 1:55, 30 July 2010 (EST)
**Chris wouldn't mention the talks with Nintendo after finding out the people behind that were trolls. Too much wounded pride.--[[User:OFSheep|OFSheep]] 11:44, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
***Well, the talks with Nintendo and Sega were mentioned at 02:33, 24 August 2009 (UTC), and all the discussion in the blog started about two minutes afterward, with Chris replying at 02:58. There's also a little bit of discussion above the Sonichu topic on his user talk page, but he didn't respond to that. Here's the link to his User Talk page: http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User_talk:CWCSonichuChandler, and here's the link to the other bit Chris supposedly said.: http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User_talk:Evkl#Re:_Fake_Pages - [[User:CypherFDP|CypherFDP]] 10:56, 30 July 2010 (EST)


== Why are some people so eager to ban Chris everywhere on the Internet? ==
There are several files which are too large to upload to CWCki that are used as references in some articles. For example, Discord chatlog files / large screenshots of Discord chats were posted on Kiwi Farms and linked here. Recently, Kiwi Farms has been deplatformed off the clearnet, though is currently still up on TOR. However this means that all such references which linked to "Kiwifarms.net" are broken and cannot easily be used as references. So ideally we should archive the chatlogs / screenshots elsewhere. Any ideas? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 18:09, 15 June 2023 (EDT)
:https://img.nanaimg.net/ is run by the same webhost as new.onaforums.net who follow a lolcow, and got kicked off most file / image hosting sites. they take down nothing unless cp. <3 [[User:VoDKa|VoDKa]] ([[User talk:VoDKa|talk]])
::Is there some sort of redirect issue at that website? Seemed to redirect to an entry there instead of the main page. Does that website accept things like html files? I was thinking maybe Imgur could work for hosting images like large Discord screenshots. Or maybe the images could be split into chunks for uploading directly to CWCki. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 01:47, 24 June 2023 (EDT)
:::apologies. didn't see this until now. no kind of redirect issue, if you go to the site directly then it directs you to a freakout of the aformentioned lolcow. it should be fixed now. https://nanaimg.net/img/b6b61cbb89dd88aab35b658cc09bad3d.jpeg here's a raw link to an image, as you can see, works fine. they accept gifs and images, but not videos. imgur is fine, but they've been getting pretty anal about removing anti-trans, 18+ and controversial stuff lately. [[User:VoDKa|VoDKa]] ([[User talk:VoDKa|talk]])


Including the people here on CWCki? Where's the fun in Chris crashing into PS3 slumber again? Damn, I wish Chris was allowed back to deviantART :( --[[User:Sonijew is back|Sonijew is back]] 05:10, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
== Contact discouragement protips ==


More to the point, is there an official policy regarding stupid ass bullshit like "[[CWCipedia]] states that Chris may or may not create another account. Be sure to tip off the dA admins if he will return."? I think there should be.
Some articles like for [[Michael Snyder]] have those protips at the tops saying not to contact. I don't really think it's necessary to have those in articles. For one thing, the approach is flawed because only some people have them, so it creates bias issues when one person has it and not another. The solution could be to add protips to every person who ever got involved with Chris, but that's a lot of pages to deal with. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 00:07, 9 April 2024 (EDT)
*Overenthusiastic nobodies eager to 'stick it' to Chris and be the #1 trolin genious lolololo. It's quite irritating, and seems as if they have zero forethought. And I can only see this problem getting worse as time goes on and Chris becomes more mainstream. Feels bad man. - [[User:Beemunk|Beemunk]] 14:46, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

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Standards for inclusion

This is to continue the discussion that had begun on the main page. As a way to separate tetrad members from trolls worthy of an article, I would propose the following metric in evaluating trolls: that Chris has actively produced content relating to them, such as incorporating them into the Sonichu comic. Conversations on social networks are not enough. Truly influential trolls, such as the Miscreants, Chris's various sweethearts through the years or more recently the Idea Guys or Sockness, have inspired Chris to go to great lengths and produce substantial content. Common enablers like Sarah and Steve may get some occasional short dialogue on Discord or Twitter, but nothing like the old IRC logs or Mumble chats. Articles on those who are not significant enough by this standard to warrant their own article should probably be folded into brief mentions in their appropriate category. ChanOfTartary (talk) 16:18, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

It is something worth looking into, although there is a small risk that if we overlook an enabler who started small then suddenly become big a few months or years later, then we might have trouble tracing back their footsteps. The internet can forget as much as to never forget, but at the same time, we are dealing with more and more people going into great lengths to leave their mark in the Sonichu lore. --Little Owl (talk) 16:45, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
We could Move the existing pages for enablers who don't make the cut into the CWCki namespace. That would also allow for keeping track without needing to write formally for the general CWCki audience. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 20:05, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
Should we still move the articles to the CWCki:Enablers page or just leave the preservation to the article history? Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 20:58, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
It is possibly better to leave them as article history. A simple search can find past references to an enabler from the Farms, but some enablers may well regard a CWCki article as some mark of honour or fame ensuring them a place in Christory. ChanOfTartary (talk) 21:16, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
Makes sense. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 17:32, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

Fan videos

I propose deletion of all fan videos sections as they add nothing of value to the wiki. - Klop|polK (talk) 08:21, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

Not sure about removing all fan video sections - maybe if they're high quality enough and had effort put into them, they can stay, like some of the videos on THAT IS MY HOUSE. Agreed with your call on removing the reversal videos, though. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 08:14, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
I have to agree with Hurtful Truth Level, particularly since there are some pretty good fan videos like those VHS parodies by Mycalfelps. I wish they could finish reuploading them and also the "Greene County Conspiracy" trailer. --Little Owl (talk) 11:18, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
Yeah, I deleted all the reverse videos. Everything else has been left untouched - Klop|polK (talk) 11:20, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

Chris and

I have proposed some changes to the Chris and articles, since they are major, more discussion is required. Here are the changes. You can discuss on the CWCki Discord too. - klop (talk) 15:42, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Chris and cosplaying could also just be renamed to Cosplaying, since it's not a significant aspect of Chris. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 20:16, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
I agree - klop (talk) 02:05, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Jerkops can now register new accounts

I asked Canine to set it up so that anyone in the Jerkops (moderator) user group can register new accounts. This should make it so we won't need to resort to fully opening registration and letting the spambots in. There should be a Create Account link in Special Pages that Jerkops can access - https://sonichu.com/cwcki/Special:CreateAccount.

Anyone wanting an account can PM a Jerkop on Kiwi Farms or Discord. They'd only need to provide an email address and user name. There's an option to automatically generate a password for them.

I could make a post about this in the Updating the CWCki thread on Kiwi Farms. Any jerkop who's open to being contacted about this, post your KF user name here and I'll tag you in the post. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 11:49, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

Kolp1607 on the farms klop (talk) 11:57, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

The future of "corner icons"

Within the last few days, we have seen more "corner icons" being added to a number of articles, such as Rosechu and Sonichu (character), in addition to existing ones at Chris and anger and Jacob Sockness. I wish to gather opinions on the future of this feature, because I am not seeing any purpose of such icons on this wiki, other than being random pictures in contravention on our policy of not copying Encyclopaedia Dramatica. --Little Owl (talk) 17:51, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

I think it’s getting way out of hand. I think very few article should have one. It just ruins the aesthetic if we just have one everywhere.PsychoNerd054 (talk) 18:51, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
In my opinion, I would prefer phasing them out completely: it just distracts the reader from the main content. I am sure that there are plenty of reasonable alternatives to corner icons, such as expanding said articles or adding more inline images. --Little Owl (talk) 21:23, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
I agree, none of them add anything and distract users from the actual article. Complete removal is the best option. - klop (talk) 03:34, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Gatekeepers

There is a group of individuals who keep malicious individuals away from Chris. They enable his fantasies to keep him intrested but don't harm him in any other way. Should this be a new category to classify people or be a subsection in the enablers article. - klop (talk) 08:13, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Just put them in the Enablers article. The main quality of an enabler is that they enable Chris’ bad habits, it doesn’t matter if it’s for good or bad intentions. PsychoNerd054 (talk) 13:26, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
Did it, though as time passes we may need a full article for them. Also now that they have publically revealed themselves, should we call this the "Gatekeeping saga". They've been guiding Chris since atleast October 2019. - klop (talk) 01:15, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
Are you proposing that they would be a new member of the Unholy Tetrad? (By which point they’d be the “Unholy Quintet”) PsychoNerd054 (talk) 05:35, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
No, they very clearly come under Enablers as you pointed out. I'm proposing we call this time period the Gatekeeping saga since they have an incredibly deep root in Chris's life. - klop (talk) 05:40, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
Is it saga material? Usually sagas are for describing major happenings revolving around Chris. Gatekeeper stuff so far seems to be more about releasing material about the Sockness and Dimensional Merge sagas. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 08:56, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

New Template: To Do

Taking a page from The Cutting Room Floor, I think we should have a template that list things that should be added onto articles, that should work better than just having incomplete templates on several pages without an explanation. Does this sound like a good idea? PsychoNerd054 (talk) 19:06, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

It sounds like a useful idea. I suppose if a user has any suggestions but are too lazy to do the work themselves, they could always give some brief pointers on what could be done, so someone else can chip in later. Rossticus (talk) 21:21, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

"xth year of organised trolling"

Little Owl mentioned on Talk:2021 that use of the phrase "x year of organised trolling" is kind of outdated now, especially since we tend to discourage people from getting involved with Chris directly. Should articles about years still say "organised trolling", or should they just say "x year since Chris' discovery"? FokkerTISM (talk) 09:07, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

I would say "x years since the discovery of Chris and the Sonichu franchise", because Sonichu is a very important part of the CWCiverse. Without the cringe-fest that is Sonichu, Chris would be just another fan of Pokémon and Sonic. --Little Owl (talk) 19:32, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
Agree on "discovery", I feel that while trolls and Sonichu are key aspects of the lore, for brevity's sake just "Chris's discovery" is sufficient. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 00:17, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
I feel that there should be a point where organized trolling stopped. 2010 or 2011 fit that pretty well. I think that every article from 2007 to 2010/2011 should keep the "x year of organized trolling," but the years after that can be changed. Superspongebobbros (talk) 01:43, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
I just updated all the articles from 2011 to 2021 to say "x years since Chris's discovery" rather than "xth year of organized trolling."Superspongebobbros (talk) 20:23, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Adding a Manipulation Disclosure to all Chris videos?

Should we edit the Template:Infobox/video to insert a message pointing out that most videos were the result of troll manipulation? Something along the lines of:

Manipulation Disclosure: The views Chris expresses may or may not be his own. Many of Chris's videos were orchestrated behind the scenes by trolls putting ideas in his head or goading him to act out; the majority of these interactions was never released to the public.

Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 00:14, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Adding it to *all* videos seems like overdoing it. I'm pretty sure most people who spend an hour on the CWCki without any context at all will realize that half of Chris's life has been fabricated by trolls. Since videos Chris makes of his own volition seem to be the outliers, maybe an infobox disclaimer for videos Chris wasn't manipulated into making would be more helpful. With that being said, contextual textboxes should only be included if they're necessary, and I don't think any are warranted for this sort of thing.
Abaddon (talk) 01:01, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
Which videos are of his own volition can be hard to determine, though. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 01:08, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
For that reason alone, adding in an infobox for videos possibly-maybe-not-manipulated-out-of-Chris-by-trolls would be an addition which could be untrue for certain videos. Abaddon (talk) 01:22, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
Kind of late, but I like the idea. Holdek (talk) 04:15, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
Noticed that in the List of videos, it shows that there were relatively few videos prior to Chris beginning interactions with trolls in late 2007. So maybe a way to address the concern of applying to all videos would be to make a second video template for the videos prior to troll influences. So the pre-trolls FUTURE MESSAGE could have a new template (which resembles the current one), and the trolls-era Twin Falling Towers could use the original video template but modified with the manipulation disclosure. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 05:33, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Contingency

So as you may know Kiwifarms may be in some hot water. If they go the way of 8Chan in August 2019 what's the plan to keep the Cwcki from going down forever, because IIRC this is hosted by a service set up by Null that would go down if KF is deplatoformed. The KF drama is affecting the Cwcki right now in fact, I've been getting intermittent time out errors as of late. Homsar (talk) 03:44, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Wait a minute, what's going on with Kiwi Farms? I don't really pay attention to it, but I'm gonna assume that this has something to do with Null saying that he would shut down the site if Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act wasn't renewed. Superspongebobbros (talk) 17:59, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
It's under a DDOS attack. Marvin/User:Canine would be the one to ask about contingencies, he's the owner. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 18:16, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Doxxing

In the light of the Suitress policy, I've been thinking about how this site treats people's personal info in general. While people like Bella and Sean Walker definitely deserve to be exposed for who they really are, and people like Michael Snyder and Megan Schroeder have been doxxed by Chris himself beyond the point of no return, I can't think of any reason to display the real names of people like Copitz and Doopie, especially in light of Chris becoming a sex criminal.

Doopie never wanted to get involved with Chris, while Copitz's worst crime was just hanging out with a known internet celebrity years ago. Now that Chris's crimes are revealed to the mainstream, this kind of thing can have a real impact on people's lives. I propose we systematically remove this kind of blanket doxxing from articles unless there's a clear reason for it. --4CentUser (talk) 15:51, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

I think we should hammer out what a clear reason would be. I don't think it should be based on whether people deserve it, that can get messy. Maybe go by how much of the person's name Chris used. Like he's used first and last names referring to Michael and Megan. Whereas with Doopie and Copitz, he's used first names. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 18:30, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
I like this idea, and I also think we should consider these things in this era where more and more people are being aware of Chris. We should also consider the events that surrounded their dox. In the case of Suitress, Chris only used her first name on one occasion, and that was in the one where he promised not to rage at Everfree. Every other instance he used the pseudonym she created. He had never used her full name. People only learned of her full name by Bella leaking it everywhere, and even then it's more or less forgotten, and other websites are making efforts to wipe it as well. Therefore, I think it's much easier to handle her being anonymous on the site. More involved people like Megan, Adam Stackhouse, Michael Snyder, and others can't get this treatment since they've all been established since the beginning, and because they keep getting namedropped. PsychoNerd (talk) 18:40, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
Regarding pages like Doopie with an infobox, maybe under Name it could just have the person's name up to how much of it Chris used. So for Doopie the Name could read "Danielle" and use Doopie E-mails as a reference. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 19:47, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

How should other identifying info, like birthdates, be handled? Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 05:39, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

As I said, unless the birthdays are somehow crucial to understanding Christory, it isn't necessary. I wouldn't say it's the worst offense, though. PsychoNerd (talk) 14:01, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
At the moment, I think birthdays for relatives and people closely related to Chris are fair game. PsychoNerd (talk) 14:27, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Well, this is certainly a subject I have opinions on. First of all, very little if anything that's been done on this site I think really constitutes "doxing" to any high degree. At worst it's repeating real names that have been exposed elsewhere, I don't think anyone's been doxed first here, at least anytime in recent memory. But if anything rises to the occasion of a more severe "doxing", it's the birthdays. Birthday, location, and name, now we're getting to the territory of "doxing". Just listing names, not so much.

To me, anyone and everyone who willfully interacts with Chris and particularly who gets involved with any sort of elaborate troll/countertroll operations is fair game to be documented. This includes the "Suitress", random weens that show up at the house, random people who fucked with Chris on Twitter, people who make stupid videos about Chris on YouTube, every member of the Watchmen, Knights, and any similar group, and so on, not to exclude contributors to this Wiki (or to the Kiwi Farms) and particularly not to exclude their friends. Their is a blindingly obviously double standard at play here particularly in the hands of User:HurtfulTruthLevel, something which I've documented extensively (and not without a bit of pushback) [1].

Most egregious is the consistent targeting of Meghan Ringo, for reasons that I don't quite understand. I'm not her friend or guardian and if there is solid reason to target her I'm totally on board, and I'm not saying that she shouldn't be doxed/documented, because she should (more than meeting the criteria I laid out above), just that it is, again, blindingly obvious that she was at some point deemed fair game while there is pushback on documenting Anaxis, for instance, or now Kyle, or even someone like Sean. To believe that there is the remotest amount of objectivity here strains all credulity if you are aware that these are people with whom HTL (who was, for those keeping score at home, against the doxing of Wise and Boyd, of all people) and others here have mixed socially.

I don't really understand the aversion to doxing people here, these are people who wilfully interacted with Chris, i.e. were cruisin' for a bruisin' to begin with. People's identities being "relevant to Chris" is a criteria worth considering, after all, it's not the weenipedia. Whether Chris used their name and what name he used seems like so much autistic nitpicking. Picking and chosing who gets their name shared is inconsistent and open to some egregious abuses. To my mind if people are notable enough to be included they are notable enough to be named. (I won't get into the Suitress and Wallflower situations other than to say I don't agree, but the principle that these two got in more or less over their heads and deserve a pass is one that's grounded in basic decency, I think. Same with Doopie. I can't fathom why Coptiz's name was redacted, though, other than personal connections yet again.)

But more realistically, there are a few different categories: (a) the core dramatis personae, already doxed to high heaven, this would include Chandler family members; Meghan Schroeder, etc. (b) important Internet personalities like Meghan K. Ringo, the rest of the Watchmen, etc.; (c) major players in major scandals like Sean Walker, Isabella Loretta Janke, Devon John Infinito, Wise and Boyd, etc.; (d) public figures like (also) Devon John Infinito, Ethan Oliver Ralph, etc.; (e) random weens from the Internet who get doxed as sport like Rosa Ray Ramsey; (f) weens who take it to the next level like Ellen Underwod Willis or Dylon James Winfield. There might be one or more categories that could be added and I'm only focusing on recent history here but I feel like the gradations here are pretty objective and less liable to being abused, fewer double standards of which there are many at present.

A concrete policy is needed not only to produce better and more consistent quality content but to not just plain exude a scandalous lack of objectivity and distinct odor of backroom dealings.

Just how I feel about it. SpookyBones (talk) 15:17, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

P.S. There is only one "x" in "doxing". SpookyBones (talk) 15:18, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Potential New Direction for the Wiki. "Life Advice", "Parental Guides", "How to be Normie and Not Chris", "Psychoanalysis Theories by Accredited Psychiatrists, Psychotherapists, and Therapists"

Now with Chris in prison and his life ruined forever permanently confirmed, this wiki will definitely be going through a dry spell aside from minor updates. (i.e. predictably, more letters, Chris getting abused in the shower room, being released as a homeless person at age 50, shock surprising us once again by attempting to molest a child only to get beat up by said child, than, shock surprising us again by trying to molest a horse, then getting clopped in the nads by said horse, and then dying, but not before defecating on his own face before he dies. His final words being "MMMMM! I love the taste of my own POOP!") ...So, to keep users active, I propose a plethora of new things. One of them being the creation of articles designed to keep people from falling into the same irrecoverable pit that Chris did. Chris was not the first to do most of the embarrassing things he did. There have been other lolcows on the net, and they all fall into similar pits if not as hard as Chris. Take David Gonterman for instance, or Robert Pelloni from Bob's Game infamy, ChaseTheHedgehog or YandereDEV or A-log. They all share similarities and a dash of the highly potent flaws that Chris possessed. Then you have to take into account that there are like 10000 or more people out there like them who are undiscovered. I am of theory that our society is dysfuctional, and made so because of a lack of care by wealthy individuals and policymakers and businessemn. And that if things aren't improved, there are going to be less and less prodigies, inventors, leaders, and cool people, and more and more lolcows and general losers like Chris.

Take for instance, this. A sign of the times: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/minority-report/202007/why-millennials-love-anime-and-hentai-pornography

https://www.bustle.com/articles/99659-millennials-are-masturbating-to-my-little-pony-porn-says-new-survey-and-rainbow-dash-is-the


Now I've been inspired by this ED article, which is my favorite:

https://encyclopediadramatica.online/The_Comprehensive_Guide_To_Life


It contains so much useful info that a lot of people these days don't regard. They live their lives wrong, and then what happens? They get weirdo internet fetishes and become basement dwellers. They also get desperate and either become like that doll collector from Paranoia Agent or they hook up with volatile partners and suffer with it indefinitely or divorce. The children suffer the most, because they are confused and there is no light for them and they lack skills to become competent adults because Corps see all human beings as cattle to be milked for money, and money doesn't really have real value anyway outside perception when you think about it.


I think this wiki should rocket itself forward and become a learning tool. I worry so much about today's parents. I see them letting their kids use the internet and talk with fandoms that will lead to getting fetishes and becoming weird. I see Parent letting their kids eat McDonalds because they financially struggle, and the kids get fat, and then they get stupid because they are fat. Kids are also unable to go out side and exercise. They lack discipline and they need to know martial arts and yoga stances much like kids in Asian countries do and make a routine out of it every morning. Kids need to become worldly, and learn about all cultures and countries and people and ingrain good disciplines and clean their houses and manage their finances.

I think all parents need to know about Chris Chan, and have thoughts of him in the back of their head so that they avoid everything that Bob and Barb did whenever doing a parental decision so that their kid is happy and successful and moral and just plain good.

This wiki needs to recruit actual psychiatrists, therapists, and psychoanalysts, and other mental socio scientists to analyze our findings and create road maps to life fulfillment. --TippyToesTommyTalarico 21:22, 21 October 2021

That sounds like an interesting idea, but it goes far beyond the scope of this website. If you still wanted to do something like that here, you could make a personal user essay and open it up for other people to edit, but I don't think it would warrant actual article space. --4CentUser (talk) 01:22, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Conflicts of interest

Editors who have documented connections to the topics of articles should not be permitted to directly edit those articles. For more detail, see my comments on Talk:The Journey to the Merge#Deceptive attribution. --4CentUser (talk) 00:34, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Barbara station

Just a quick heads up that there is now a train station called Barbarain Paris. I know it is named after a French singer, but I could not avoid noticing the name. Sorry for being busy: some people do have real lives. --Little Owl (talk) 10:03, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Icons modernisation

I am putting out a request for someone to do a full review and refresh of the icons for the new {{Saga}} (Usage) template. This is because a number of them (such as that for Childhood and the CWCipedia) are provisional. My proposed specifications are as follows:

  • The icons should use the PNG file format.
  • The icons should have a transparent background.
  • The icons should be 32×32 pixels.
  • The icons for meta sagas should have a circular frame, to distinguish them from standard saga icons.
  • The icons should have a file name format of Saga icon [Saga Name].png.

I decided to suggest increasing the icon size from 20×20 pixels to 32×32 pixels, because the latter was the default size for Windows icons, until the XP era (source). Changing to 32×32 pixels will also allow more detail, while not affecting the retro factor.

Any questions, please reply below. --Little Owl (talk) 17:47, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

I have informed one submitter (via Discord) that 24x24 may be permissible as long as the other criteria is met. --Little Owl (talk) 19:33, 19 February 2023 (EST)

Non-YouTube videos

I'd like to add some videos to the CWCki, however, the content would make it difficult to host it on YouTube. (etc. NSFW content) Some videos on the CWCki are already on the Internet Archive, but I believed Marvin talked about possibly using PeerTube in the KF CWCki thread. Where should I upload these videos? --Gray Deign (talk) 21:31, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Due to the uncertainty with the Kiwi Farms (Zayo just threw them out), I would recommend to consider establishing our very own PeerTube instance. --Little Owl (talk) 17:51, 24 October 2022 (EDT)

Endangered/extinct? links/websites

I've been working on replacing/finding archives for dead links in articles for the past few days. I think we should have a discussion of websites that are often used as references and can be considered as endangered. These websites should have a high priority in obtaining archives to prevent content from being lost. I'll start with a couple examples, feel free to add others and contribute to the discussion.

CWCipedia: / http://archive.sonichu.com/cwcipedia/index.php?title=Main_Page Is this something staff plan to fix in the future, or should we replace those links with archives from archive.org /etc?

Chris's Facebook page: / https://www.facebook.com/CwcvilleGuardian I've been getting a "This content isn't available right now" message when trying to view posts. Not sure if anyone else is able to view the page or if the account has been deleted, privated, or something else.

Kiwi Farms/CWCki Forums / https://kiwifarms.net/: Site is currently down right now after being pulled by ISPs, but is expected to come back up soon. Gray Deign (talk) 18:14, 26 October 2022 (EDT)

Marvin mentioned a server for CWCipedia stuff, he might be working on it still.
Regarding Kiwi Farms, how should we approach archiving? Wayback removed its archive of KF. There's still Archive.today. Maybe we could take screenshots of specific posts and upload to CWCki. We could also evaluate which KF references are necessary - I believe a chunk of those links are things like screenshots of Chris's tweets which we could replace with the CWCki's social media pages. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 09:33, 27 October 2022 (EDT)
I believe archive.today would be the best option to archive links from Kiwi Farms when the site comes back up. There are some pages that still use the cwckiforums.com domain as a reference such as July 2013 Facebook Posts; those should be replaced with the kiwifarms.net urls + archives when Kiwi Farms comes back up (unless the CWCki Forums link already has already been archived, then we should just replace the non-archived link). Other pages that use cwckiforums.com urls as a reference can be found here
I agree that Kiwi Farms links that are just screenshots of Chris's Tweets could be replaced with the CWCki's social media pages. Screenshots should be used for posts that are relevant to the CWCki, such as LegendaryChristorian's posts to KF.
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/good-day-people.34903/ / https://archive.ph/aVoza
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/i-curse-each-and-every-one-of-you-all.34943/ archive: https://archive.ph/UCPRI Gray Deign (talk) 10:53, 27 October 2022 (EDT)
Kiwi Farms is now back up on TOR, but not yet for the clearnet, which is expected to be up for tomorrow. Now is a good time to gather screenshots and hopefully archives. Gray Deign (talk) 13:24, 30 October 2022 (EDT)
Kiwi Farms is now back up on the clearnet! Gray Deign (talk) 21:08, 31 October 2022 (EDT)

Pages for Kiwi Farms posts

Continuing off the above topic, maybe we should have CWCki pages for archiving notable CWC-related posts from Kiwi Farms members for use as CWCki references, in a similar way as the social media pages archiving Chris's Facebook and Twitter and the Discord pages archiving his chats. For example, make Kiwi Farms posts (LegendaryChristorian), Kiwi Farms posts (Null), etc. This would also help with keeping track of chronological order of posts. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 14:48, 3 November 2022 (EDT)

We could do that, but there are other pages such as CWCki Forums and GameFAQs that include Chris's posts without needing a separate page, probably because there aren't as many GameFAQs posts from Chris as there are tweets from Chris.
Maybe we could create/revise a heading within the Kiwi Farms page that archives important posts from Kiwi Farms in addition to LegendaryChristorian. We could also include a sentence in the lead section that list notable individuals that have made posts on Kiwi Farms; ex. "In addition to Chris and Null, other Christorical figures that have made posts to Kiwi Farms include The Man In The Pickle Suit, Alec Benson Leary, etc".Gray Deign (talk) 11:42, 5 November 2022 (EDT)
I'm not sure how large the page would become if posts from several people are archived onto it. If it gets too big later and necessitates a split it would require rewriting references that point to Kiwi Farms page to any split-off pages. So I think it would be better to split the posts by user at the start. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 00:29, 6 November 2022 (EDT)
I guess it would depend on how many posts would be included on the page. LegendaryChristorian only has two. Null has many, but I'm not sure how to discern which posts would need to be archived for users other than Chris. I do see your point though and it probably is better to create new pages, especially for those that could have long pages. Gray Deign (talk) 08:35, 6 November 2022 (EST)
My thought is the post archiving would be for use as in-article citations. Like, the Null article has a quote from Null and it's cited with a KF / Archive.today link. Instead the citation could point to Kiwi Farms posts (Null)#Sad about Chris's roleplaying which has the text from Null's post along with the KF / Archive link. I think this would give another option for archiving in addition to Archive.today. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 10:53, 6 November 2022 (EST)
I created a page for Kiwi Farms posts (LegendaryChristorian). If there's any feedback that could improve the article let me know. Gray Deign (talk) 12:19, 6 November 2022 (EST)

Generation IX Pokémon

Hey CWCki editors, Pokémon Scarlet and Violet just came out on 18 November 2022, and that will bring up the total number of Pokémon to about 1,008. This means that the Pokémon numbers for Chris's own Pokémon will clash with the new actual Pokémon. I recommend keeping and eye out for Pokémon with specific numbers such as #979 (Rosechu) and #982 (Sonichu), and update to reflect reality accordingly. For the latter, it is speculated to be Dudunsparce, but Bulbapedia has not confirmed it. Take care for the holidays and 2023. --Little Owl (talk) 10:56, 18 December 2022 (EST)

Template for resized high quality photos

Thinking about slapping together a template for use in files, to note when high quality photos are resized down significantly from original source, since the CWCki can't host high-quality images due to file size limits. Thinking of adapting something like Template:Needs Updating for this, and using a site like Imgur to host the original photos then putting the URLs into the template. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 05:14, 19 April 2023 (EDT)

Solution needed for archival of content currently hosted only at Kiwi Farms

There are several files which are too large to upload to CWCki that are used as references in some articles. For example, Discord chatlog files / large screenshots of Discord chats were posted on Kiwi Farms and linked here. Recently, Kiwi Farms has been deplatformed off the clearnet, though is currently still up on TOR. However this means that all such references which linked to "Kiwifarms.net" are broken and cannot easily be used as references. So ideally we should archive the chatlogs / screenshots elsewhere. Any ideas? Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 18:09, 15 June 2023 (EDT)

https://img.nanaimg.net/ is run by the same webhost as new.onaforums.net who follow a lolcow, and got kicked off most file / image hosting sites. they take down nothing unless cp. <3 VoDKa (talk)
Is there some sort of redirect issue at that website? Seemed to redirect to an entry there instead of the main page. Does that website accept things like html files? I was thinking maybe Imgur could work for hosting images like large Discord screenshots. Or maybe the images could be split into chunks for uploading directly to CWCki. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 01:47, 24 June 2023 (EDT)
apologies. didn't see this until now. no kind of redirect issue, if you go to the site directly then it directs you to a freakout of the aformentioned lolcow. it should be fixed now. https://nanaimg.net/img/b6b61cbb89dd88aab35b658cc09bad3d.jpeg here's a raw link to an image, as you can see, works fine. they accept gifs and images, but not videos. imgur is fine, but they've been getting pretty anal about removing anti-trans, 18+ and controversial stuff lately. VoDKa (talk)

Contact discouragement protips

Some articles like for Michael Snyder have those protips at the tops saying not to contact. I don't really think it's necessary to have those in articles. For one thing, the approach is flawed because only some people have them, so it creates bias issues when one person has it and not another. The solution could be to add protips to every person who ever got involved with Chris, but that's a lot of pages to deal with. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 00:07, 9 April 2024 (EDT)