The Place chats - Ben Saint

Delusion disclosure: This article or section takes place during Chris's phase of role-playing as Magi-Chan. He may refer to his Christine Chandler personality and physical body in the third person by using terms such as "wife".

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If Ben Saint develops the IP to enough of a level, you won't be able to defend ownership very well

Plus being out of money for a legal defense, he can just wait out the court case and win by default

If you push now, you can get what you're owed, be in a better position to not get screwed in the future

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Kyle pressures Chris to act

29-30 September 2019

On 29-30 September 2019, several Watchmen members and Chris discussed in The Place about Ben Saint. At issue was a comic Ben Saint was producing which depicted Chris's Night Star OC.

The Watchmen pressured Chris, wanting him to confront Ben over his usage of Night Star. Kyle claimed that Chris could potentially lose ownership of the IP in court unless he pushed the issue. The Watchmen also raised the matter of royalties, insisting that Ben should pay Chris for the Night Star usage.

Throughout the conversation, Chris defended Ben, saying that Ben was giving credit for usage of Night Star and argued that Ben was not directly making money from comic panels featuring Night Star.

Chat

**Deleted User**
Has anyone heard from @Sonichu982?

**Kyle**
This is a worrying absence

**MKRNightVee**
I hope he and Christine are ok

**Chris (as Magi-Chan)**
We are all right. Christine has been meditating and working on frequency-adjusting my body into 1218 again. Meanwhile, I’ve been working on healing her body; the blood pressure reader went into level one Hypertension, so I went out and bought some potassium supplements and a fresh salad, among other immediate helpful items. And I told Barbara to kill the spicy foods for a while. The effects of the merge are taking a toll on the body, but she will pull through. Also, in the event that I am able to frequency-adjust her body into C-197, or when it is fatefully summoned there, it is beneficial for me to be in this body, because her soul was constantly being called upon for active duty. There are literally thousands of projections of her that get shared and help out a LOT of individuals between both Earths. They often get a breather by returning to her body for a while, but she’s presently down to her essentials between her main soul amount required to function fully, and her body’s soul. And her body’s soul is also getting called and summoned. So, I am holding this fort for when it is making its first transition soon enough. *sigh But, I digress.

**Kyle**
Could it be colitis?

**Chris (as Magi-Chan)**
She remains safe in my body, because she’s not being called from my body.

**Deleted User**
I have noticed Ben saint has been working on christines comic book. Has she been paid her royalties?

**Chris (as Magi-Chan)**
No, it is not colitis. He is not directly contributing to the books. He has been Chronicling what has been going on with Phantom Horn and Strawberry Milk in Arizona.

**Deleted User**
But still, using Christines intellectual property would cost money.

**Kyle**
Depending on the audience, a payment-per-use clause would be better

**Chris (as Magi-Chan)**
I can’t handle topic changes at this time.

**MKRNightVee**
He now calls it his "Nightstar comic" Ok

**Kyle**
Movies use both Well, you could use the money Christine is owed

**Chris (as Magi-Chan)**
It is not a Nightstar Comic, and I will be sure to tell him that later.

**Deleted User**
Yes could you put the screenshot of him calling it that? We just want to make sure Christines intellectual property is protected. If Ben uses it for free what’s to stop anyone else?

**MKRNightVee**
"The Nightstar comic"

**Deleted User**
Doesn't Ben have a Patreon where people pay him to draw? Does his fans know he's getting peoples money for ripping off Christine's Characters without paying him Royalties?

**MKRNightVee**
Yes They pay him for it (edited)

**Deleted User**
They pay him to steal Christines hard work?

**Kyle**
This is horrible exploitation

**Chris (as Magi-Chan)**
We can’t wait to complete this 15-card set for the “ArizonaSlime” Shipfic Expansion. We’re Chronicling the cleanup events and rescuing Phantom Horn and Strawberry Milk in a set of 15 cards with fresh drawings from our hands. The story will be told in sequence on the cards’ Flavour Texts.

**MKRNightVee**
Good, he's cruel to those poor ocs

**Deleted User**
But Ben is making money off of this right? It seems only fair Christine gets her cut for the cards.

**MKRNightVee**
I agree She could certainly use the money

**Kyle**
Its the only right thing to do, thats her money

**Chris (as Magi-Chan)**
Money is not the issue here. But Ben will realize the error of his ways very soon, as soon as we complete this set of cards. We’ll even have a set of these cards printed and sent to him. That gives me an idea for a motivating Goal Card that will make for an appropriate ending card for the Expansion.

**Kyle**
Well you wanted money for babscon And bills Things cost money, this is theft

**Chris (as Magi-Chan)**
Good observations. I have personally informed Ben of the property notoriety, and he will be more respectful in future tweets.

**Kyle**
And the money?

**Chris (as Magi-Chan)**
He is presently not making money off of these panels, so we’ll worry about that should that become more apparent.

**Kyle**
If he's making money on patreon for content And some of that content is coming from your opus Ipso facto, he's making money from Christine's effort

**Naught**
^

**Chris (as Magi-Chan)**
https://www.patreon.com/posts/29436664 He does have a Patreon, but these panels are being shared for free, so again, there is no money involved at this time. (edited)

**Deleted User**
Magi Chan he is advertising it right on his Patreon... he is lying to Christine about making money.

**Chris (as Magi-Chan)**
Your point is obvious and noted, but as these panels are also being shared Outside of his Patreon between Imgur and Twitter, and nobody is paying him for this particular content. He is mainly getting paid for his “Vapors” book series, and Nightstar, nor any Sonichu or Rosechu or related, are portrayed in those particular publications.

**Deleted User**
Patreon is designed to be his income while he makes content for free. That is how it works. He can easily say that he is sharing it for free while collecting royalties on christines characters. I just don’t like seeing Christine bing taken advantage of

**Chris (as Magi-Chan)**
He is still giving her proper credit in each Tweet and post. I assure you, she is not being taken advantage of, and we are turning the tables around on this as well. In fact, the huge rain thunderstorm has been made south-west of Arizona in C-197 early this morning, beyond the Mexico portion. It will reach Arizona in a couple of days, and then the slime problem will be cleansed; all of the clouds have been treated with the addition of bicarbonate soda and sugar from many an aerial-able individual, without missing a spot. That is the main reason I am on here now, to update @everyone on the rains now heading to Arizona.

**Naught**
@Deleted UserBen also gets superchats on twitch about @Sonichu982 and the lore but it's up to CwC.

**Deleted User**
Yes. He is clearly exploiting our friend. I hope magi Chan at least speaks to her about this.

**Naught**
@Deleted User why don't you message here? Everyone can see your tweets. @@here would be safer.

**Kyle**
Its the same reason I cant just put up a coke billboard though

**Naught**
Hmm, what do you mean? I don't understand copyright law well.

**Kyle**
I mean, IP is worth a lot of money In accounting terms, the IP is only worth what you put towards development, legal defense and liscensing @Sonichu982 If Ben Saint develops the IP to enough of a level, you won't be able to defend ownership very well Plus being out of money for a legal defense, he can just wait out the court case and win by default If you push now, you can get what you're owed, be in a better position to not get screwed in the future

**MKRNightVee**
So he could potentially steal your franchise!? That's scary

**Deleted User**
Very scary

**Chris (as Magi-Chan)**
He shall never steal the franchise. That is not his intention. Has anyone thought of talking with him directly on the topic?

**Kyle**
I'm ill suited to

**Deleted User**
How can anyone be sure that is not ones intention?

**Kyle**
Who knows more than you about the franchise? So what is Ben's intention?

**Naught**
@Sonichu982 I could but I need the o.k. from CwC first.

**Chris (as Magi-Chan)**
She personally approves your inquiring upon Benjamin Saint of the monetary and IP topic as you will. Thank you. (edited)

**Kyle**
What about Vivian's intent? What was that bit of ancient history, is it similar?

**Naught**
When magi chan uses the CwC vessel. Do you maintain a regular sleep schedule?

**Chris (as Magi-Chan)**
Vivian’s intentions were simply mockery and degrading of Christine and her character, and nothing else. It is not similar at all to the present situation, I assure all of you.

**Kyle**
So what are the criteria for trust?

**Chris (as Magi-Chan)**
I do maintain a proper sleep schedule as best as possible when in her body. Her body tends to be fickle at times, and wants to sleep in for further recovery, until when as soon as possible it feels able to get up in the morning and stay up for a fuller day. There are too many details and variables to formulate a set criteria.

**Deleted User**
Has Ben proven that he's not trying to mock Christine or attempt to be like those Idea Guys and extort Christine for Money? By claiming her Intellectual Property?

**Kyle**
Whats the risk of being more cautious?

**Chris (as Magi-Chan)**
He repeatingly cites that Nightstar belongs to her and not him. He has not asked for any money at all. His panels are moreover a conceptual view into that of the Slimeco territory.

**Deleted User**
I ❤ that Christine is so trusting, but its also because of that nature she let's evil people like Jacob Sockness into her life to corrupt it

**Chris (as Magi-Chan)**
There Is quite a criteria that I hold subconscious, she does as well, for trust, and we’ve had to shape her to develop her ability to be cautious more and better. Taming a deity-to-be is not as easy as taming a normal individual. My duties have me elsewhere in deed at the moment; I am colouring an important drawing at the moment.