Praetor-Watchmen Conflicts

From 22 September 2020 to 30 June 2021, the Watchmen were at odds with Praetor. Compared to the conflicts with most of their other targets, the Watchmen's relations with Praetor stood out the most due to how much it upset Chris, seeing how both groups were close allies to him, and the Watchmen perceived both groups fighting over him.

Though their relations were neutral at first, the Watchmen's prickly relations with Praetor had also led to a good deal of the in-fighting that would occur within the Watchmen, as well as a number of other bits of drama surrounding Chris. Anaxis got banned from the Place when he was suspected of working with them, and MKRNightVee would try to guilt-trip Chris into getting back with the Watchmen, telling him that she "[won't] sit back by while [he plays] with stun guns", when he seemed to show more favor towards Anaxis, who was believed to be working with Praetor.

Also of note is that towards the end of this period, many conspiracy theories and rumors about the organization were spread across the CWCSphere, but most especially by Naught and MKRNightVee, as the Watchmen had believed that Praetor could be a group of trolls that were trying to manipulate Chris. After a series of doxes towards the group's members, Praetor did not respond, which prompted the Watchmen involved to attempt to tarnish the group's reputation by purposefully spreading lies about them, all as a means to dissociate them from Chris.

Needless to say, despite all of the Watchmen's efforts to separate Chris from Praetor, this all proved to be in vain, as they got back in contact with him while he was in jail.

Introduction to the Watchmen

On 22 September 2020, Chris made a post on The Place Discord server, where he mentioned that he was meeting with some "new associates." He mentions that they were going to talk about "the molding to mass produce the medallions, and possibly the figures, with optional Amiibo functions, in a little while." After being asked who these associates were, Chris refused to give their identities but gave details about their first interaction.

On the 25th, Chris mentioned them to the Watchmen again, revealing their name as Praetor LLC. On 3 October, Chris mentioned to them that Praetor was helping him create a "lore bible.". On the 15th, Praetor's Discord account, ran by Caden Peck, joined the The Place Discord server, and answered the Watchmen's questions.

Chat Excerpts

We'll initially be only selling Medallions. These act as a trial run, testing market interest. Along the way, we will add more products. These will include but not be limited to comics, cards, and possibly amino figurines. It costs about 3 dollars per medallion. We sell them for 25 apiece, as to match our competitors. Etsy brand imposters are selling Medallions for 25-30. To uproot them, we must match or go below their prices. If business is good, we'll increase sales by discounting them, selling them for 15-20 In order to emulate Sonichu's original medallion, they are stamped in a mold we made and baked. Then, painted. We mail them from our own company pocket for a while, as it is cheaper then registration with a mailing company. When we get big enough, we can afford to register and get discounted shipping services We've not shipped any yet, so we only have estimates. It won't be more then a few dollars. The medallions are not large not heavy. We signed a confidentiality agreement with Sonichu, as we are a company. If Sonichu gives her consent, I can disclose profit splits and profit estimates. We've worked with creative types for about 3 years now. You may recognize a few of my more eccentric clients! Have any of you ever heard of Molossia? After being asked if they sold merch for Molossia: We don't only do merch. We helped him find someone to write a dissertation on the micronation's sovereignty. He's using that to try and officiate his territory as a nation. More power to him, I suppose. What do y'all do? I'm excited to be working with this team. I used to have a website, but due to domain costs I took it down. When it comes to clients, I find that it's easier to find eccentric people then to have them find you. If you're interested in partnership or a meeting, I've been transitioning us to social media. We have a new twitter and an Instagram. Our email is llcpraetor@gmail.com. @praetor_llc and the Twitter is @praetor With social media, I can find my own clientele. Considering that I'm here, seems like things are working out! On another brand named 'Praetor LLC': Oh no, we know about Praetor LLC. They're actually not trademarked, we've talked to them. Their site is a homedone project. The only internationally trademarked Praetor brand is Praetor Technologies.

Rising Suspicions

Goochland Library

On 16 October 2020, Chris was recorded making a sermon at the Goochland Library, and the video was then uploaded onto YouTube on 8 November 2020. Combined with Chris's discussion with Naught about the golden disc, the video caused concern amongst the Watchmen.

"The Avatar State"

On 28 December 2020, Chris talks to some of the Watchmen about a deeper state of meditation, which he dubbed the "Avatar State". When asked how he came up with it, he told them that he got the idea from "Bella".

"Bella", whose identity was later revealed after an infamous call, was commissioned by Praetor to create an intro animation for them, but otherwise wasn't a member of the group. Regardless, Chris mistakenly referred to her as such, and showed them the animation she made, leading to more suspicion about Praetor's intentions.

Kyle suggested that "Bella" could have been partially responsible for the script of the Goochland Sermon. Bella was also mistakenly believed to be Cabell O'Malley, who Chris described as being "the artist".

Crystalgate

Main article: Taser

The Taser

The image featured in the instagram post

On 15 November 2020, Praetor posted a screenshot of an online shopping service's shopping cart - in the cart was a Pikachu mask and a VIPERTEK VTS-989 560 BV stun gun. Praetor stated:

“	As Praetor, we always work hard to produce the best videos we can. Good works are in progress!	”
Praetor on an Instagram post featuring a Pikachu mask and stun gun.

Praetor later claimed this was for promotion of sales of autographed "tasers".

“	we had a whole discussion about why it's a bad idea.	”
Caden, trying to talk Chris out of tazing himself.

In February 2021, Chris stated that he wanted to borrow one of Praetor's tasers to stun his Gate Crystal and Celestial Key quartz crystals in an attempt to activate the Dimensional Merge.

The Watchmen confronted Caden about this, saying that it was dangerous for Praetor to be allowing Chris to use it and that Chris could hurt himself. In response, Caden insisted that Chris would be safe and that the group would act with safety in mind, that he would not permanently possess one of their stun guns, and that the version Chris would use is a lower-powered one than the items Praetor would be selling. Eventually, both parties began insulting each other on Discord. They eventually agreed to have a call about the issue, in which the Watchmen berate Caden about the issue.

Near the end of the call, Watchmen member Val jokingly asked if Praetor could get Chris to tase himself on video, to which Chris responded saying that he'd be willing too. Everyone was shocked by this, and Caden attempts to dissuade Chris from tazing himself.

After this call, the Watchmen gained an intense hatred and rivarly for Praetor and especially Caden, seeing him as on the same level as Joshua Wise or Jacob Sockness. Watchmen member Naught then released that portion of the audio clip, but twisted the context to make it seem like Praetor wanted Chris to tase himself. This rumor was perpetuated by other Watchmen members, and eventually reached GiBi, who made a video claiming it was fact.