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'''Carpetbaggers''' are people who exploit Chris's own infamy for personal gain, typically for money. [[Trolls]] of years past sometimes acted this out in order to rile up Chris, such as [[Liquid Chris]], [[Jimmy Hill]], and [[Jeff Ouzuo]], though this was all part of their act, and no attempts at making a business out of it actually occurred. Several Chris orbiters in the late [[2010]]s and [[2020]]s have actually done so for business purposes. In a few cases, carpetbaggers have sought out Chris to collaborate with him. | |||
==Types of Carpetbaggers== | |||
===Financial Exploiters=== | |||
'''Financial Exploiters''' are people who profit off of Chris monetarily. | |||
''' | ===Clout Chasers=== | ||
'''Clout Chasers''' are people who exploit Chris's infamy for personal gain, usually by creating, propagating, or being actively involved in drama, in order to receive attention to promote their platform. In many cases, this involves creating rumors or actively involving themselves in Chris's life when being associated with him causes an outrage. | |||
==Examples== | ==Examples== | ||
===Dillin Thomas=== | ===Financial Exploiters=== | ||
====Dillin Thomas==== | |||
[[Dillin Thomas]] is a YouTuber who formerly covered Chris. On 2 [[February 2020]], he began selling a "Sonichu and Rosechu Valentines Day" shirt on Teespring, featuring art his girlfriend Taylor had drawn of Sonichu and Rosechu.<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20210802031401/https://twitter.com/MerloTart/status/1422032803424727046</ref> When Dillin promoted the shirt on Twitter, Chris replied, expressing interest in one of them.<ref>[[February 2020 social media posts#Sonichu and Rosechu shirt]]</ref> | [[Dillin Thomas]] is a YouTuber who formerly covered Chris. On 2 [[February 2020]], he began selling a "Sonichu and Rosechu Valentines Day" shirt on Teespring, featuring art his girlfriend Taylor had drawn of Sonichu and Rosechu.<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20210802031401/https://twitter.com/MerloTart/status/1422032803424727046</ref> When Dillin promoted the shirt on Twitter, Chris replied, expressing interest in one of them.<ref>[[February 2020 social media posts#Sonichu and Rosechu shirt]]</ref> | ||
In the wake of the [[Affair with Mother]], Chris was arrested at [[Regency Inn Richmond]] while wearing the shirt. Dillin decided to further capitalize on this by relisting the shirt on Redbubble with the title "Chris Chan Arrest Shirt".<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20210802031723/https://www.redbubble.com/i/t-shirt/Chris-Chan-Arrest-Shirt-by-DillinThomasDHT/84254092.WFLAH</ref> | In the wake of the [[Affair with Mother]], Chris was arrested at [[Regency Inn Richmond]] while wearing the shirt. Dillin decided to further capitalize on this by relisting the shirt on Redbubble with the title "Chris Chan Arrest Shirt".<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20210802031723/https://www.redbubble.com/i/t-shirt/Chris-Chan-Arrest-Shirt-by-DillinThomasDHT/84254092.WFLAH</ref> | ||
=== | ====Geno Samuel==== | ||
[[File:Geno Samuel - YT - Chris copyright removal request.jpg|thumb|200px|YouTube takes down Geno's ''Sonichu: The Animated Series'' after Chris filed a copyright claim over its use of his ''[[Sonichu 0]]'' art.]] | |||
In [[2018]], [[Geno Samuel]] began producing ''[[Chris Chan: A Comprehensive History]]'', a video series on YouTube. When Geno submitted his YouTube channel for monetization review, YouTube instead terminated his account over the clips of bullying within the series.<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/ChrisChanSonichu/comments/bpe1lz/comment/enu9fug/ ([https://archive.fo/MBe3t archive])</ref> Geno set up another channel to continue the series. | In [[2018]], [[Geno Samuel]] began producing ''[[Chris Chan: A Comprehensive History]]'', a video series on YouTube. When Geno submitted his YouTube channel for monetization review, YouTube instead terminated his account over the clips of bullying within the series.<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/ChrisChanSonichu/comments/bpe1lz/comment/enu9fug/ ([https://archive.fo/MBe3t archive])</ref> Geno set up another channel to continue the series. | ||
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In response to seeing the items, Chris posted a tweet criticizing the medallions,<ref>[[December 2023 social media posts#Criticizing Geno's medallion product]]</ref> and he also posted a YouTube comment requesting Geno cease selling the shirt.<ref>[[List of Chris's comments on YouTube#Geno selling Want Woman shirt]]</ref> | In response to seeing the items, Chris posted a tweet criticizing the medallions,<ref>[[December 2023 social media posts#Criticizing Geno's medallion product]]</ref> and he also posted a YouTube comment requesting Geno cease selling the shirt.<ref>[[List of Chris's comments on YouTube#Geno selling Want Woman shirt]]</ref> | ||
===Kenneth Engelhardt=== | In [[April 2025]], Geno began uploading his version of a ''Sonichu: The Animated Series'' onto YouTube, which used artwork taken from Chris's comics, and was monetized through Geno's Patreon.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/@genosamuel2.1/community ([https://archive.fo/QY9js archive])</ref> In response, Chris filed a [[copyright]] claim to YouTube over the intro and two episodes so far, which used ''[[Sonichu 0]]''. YouTube then took down the videos and placed a copyright strike on Geno's channel.<ref>[[Official CWCki Server chats#Termination of Sonichu: The Animated Series]]</ref> | ||
====Kenneth Engelhardt==== | |||
In [[2022]], [[Kenneth Engelhardt]] wanted to collaborate with Chris on a ''Sonichu''-themed business project during the [[Jail Saga]]. Kenneth envisioned it as an "extended universe" of ''Sonichu''.<ref>[[The Sonichu Project]]</ref> | In [[2022]], [[Kenneth Engelhardt]] wanted to collaborate with Chris on a ''Sonichu''-themed business project during the [[Jail Saga]]. Kenneth envisioned it as an "extended universe" of ''Sonichu''.<ref>[[The Sonichu Project]]</ref> | ||
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Chris ignored Kenneth and stopped responding to his letters. Kenneth has apparently since abandoned his plans. | Chris ignored Kenneth and stopped responding to his letters. Kenneth has apparently since abandoned his plans. | ||
===Luke=== | ====Luke==== | ||
{{Main|The Place chats - Pennsylvania Trip}} | |||
In [[2020]], Luke mailed a large box of random items to Chris - which included things with relevance to Chris like video games. Luke paid Chris to autograph each item. On 8 October, Chris drove to Pennsylvania and dropped off the package at Luke's house.<ref>[[The Place chats - Pennsylvania Trip]]</ref> Luke then listed the items on Mercari as the storefront "CWCStore", but deceptively claimed that the items had belonged to Chris or his family members.<ref>https://archive.ph/ipaiV</ref><ref>https://archive.ph/DRQFv</ref><ref>https://archive.ph/0nb2M</ref> | In [[2020]], Luke mailed a large box of random items to Chris - which included things with relevance to Chris like video games. Luke paid Chris to autograph each item. On 8 October, Chris drove to Pennsylvania and dropped off the package at Luke's house.<ref>[[The Place chats - Pennsylvania Trip]]</ref> Luke then listed the items on Mercari as the storefront "CWCStore", but deceptively claimed that the items had belonged to Chris or his family members.<ref>https://archive.ph/ipaiV</ref><ref>https://archive.ph/DRQFv</ref><ref>https://archive.ph/0nb2M</ref> | ||
===Praetor=== | ====Null==== | ||
In [[September 2020]], [[Praetor]] met with Chris and arranged a business partnership with him.<ref>[[The Place chats (September 2020)#The "New Associates" (and Helena Hate)]]</ref> Praetor's first item put up for sale on the group's shop [[OfficialCWCmart]] was a | {{main|Kiwi Farms silver coin}} | ||
Null has had multiple conflicts of interest between his communications with Chris and his ownership of the [[CWCki Forums]]/[[Kiwi Farms]] gossip communities. | |||
In [[May 2013]], after the [[2013 Facebook leak]], Null emailed Chris to both inform him of the leak and attempt to manipulate him into registering an account on CWCki Forums.<ref>[[CWCki Forums posts (Null)#Attempt to Convince Chris to Join]]</ref> | |||
From [[2018]] to [[2021]], Null sporadically acted as a manager of Chris. Despite Null being aware of the conflict of interest between that role and his ownership of Kiwi Farms,<ref name=conflict>[[Kiwi Farms posts (Null)#Chris's Therapist]]</ref> he took actions which used Chris's infamy to drive engagement on the forum. These include creating threads to post some of his DMs with Chris<ref name=conflict></ref> and to discuss [[The Create Unknown]]'s interview<ref>[[Kiwi Farms posts (Null)#Create Unknown Interview]]</ref> (which Null had advised Chris to accept).<ref>[[The Place chats (October 2020)#Interview Prep, Mad Over Wikipedia]]</ref> This culminated in Null asking Chris about using his likeness in the [[Kiwi Farms silver coin]]s,<ref>[[Kiwi Farms posts (Null)#Chris's Permission for Coin Merch]]</ref> meant to raise money for the forum. While Null claimed he would compensate Chris, he later chose to block Chris over an unrelated matter,<ref>[[Kiwi Farms posts (Null)#Chris Stole $750 From Barbara]]</ref> and it is unclear whether Null followed through with compensation. | |||
====Praetor==== | |||
In [[September 2020]], a group lead by [[Caden Peck]], named [[Praetor]], met with Chris and arranged a business partnership with him.<ref>[[The Place chats (September 2020)#The "New Associates" (and Helena Hate)]]</ref> Praetor's first item put up for sale on the group's shop [[OfficialCWCmart]] was a Sonichu-style [[medallion]]. The medallions were produced by Praetor, who paid Chris a royalty for the usage of his ''Sonichu'' character.<ref>[[Praetor#Royalty payment]]</ref> | |||
OfficialCWCmart later expanded to other offerings, some produced by Praetor, and some by Chris. | OfficialCWCmart later expanded to other offerings, some produced by Praetor, and some by Chris. | ||
In mid-[[2023]], | In mid-[[2023]], Caden was involved with financing the [[Big Island, VA]] house. Chris currently lives in it and pays rent. | ||
Chris and Praetor's partnership remains active as of [[ | Chris and Praetor's partnership remains active as of [[2025]]. | ||
=== | ====ProjectSNT==== | ||
In 2018 and 2019, [[ProjectSNT]] exploited Chris's infamy by promoting projects on redesigning Chris's characters through [[Patreon]]. | |||
===Winfield Winfield=== | ====Rex Rowan Nabours III==== | ||
In [[January 2012]], Rex's band released [[Trollsta's Paradise: A True and Honest Tribute to Christian & The Hedgehog Boys]], which covered [[Christian and the Hedgehog Boys]]. Despite using Chris's music and audio clips from him, Rex did not attempt to seek Chris's permission and did not compensate him. | |||
====Sonichu Solutions==== | |||
[[File:Sonichu Solutions.jpg|thumb|150px]] | |||
At the [[June 2024]] Fan Expo Dallas, a booth named "Sonichu Solutions" was set up. According to a customer, the owners of the booth were not affiliated with Chris.<ref>https://x.com/BitchAssBowie/status/1799594576405282826 ([https://ghostarchive.org/archive/Dx6me archive])</ref> The owners copied from Chris's Sonichu design and offered knockoffs of his [[medallions]]. Further, they also sold printed-out copies of Chris's [[OfficialCWCmart Jail Art|jail art]] for $15 a piece.<ref>[[:File:Jail Art - 05Jun22 - An Honest Self-Portrait from June, 2021.jpg]]</ref> | |||
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====Winfield Winfield==== | |||
[[File:Cro-magnon_looking_ween.png|thumb]] | [[File:Cro-magnon_looking_ween.png|thumb]] | ||
'''Dylan Winfield''', also known as '''Winfield Winfield''', is a self-published horror novel author, intending his debut novel ''Cult of the Eclipse'' to be the first in a series. Dylan seemed to have found promoting his book by spamming Reddit and Twitter ineffective, so in [[June 2021]] he hit upon the idea of requesting Chris do a video review of his book. Although Chris agreed,<ref>[[June 2021 social media posts#Interdimensional travels]]</ref> the review did not come to pass, particularly due to the subsequent [[incest]] revelations and [[Jail Saga]]. | '''Dylan Winfield''', also known as '''Winfield Winfield''', is a self-published horror novel author, intending his debut novel ''Cult of the Eclipse'' to be the first in a series. Dylan seemed to have found promoting his book by spamming Reddit and Twitter ineffective, so in [[June 2021]] he hit upon the idea of requesting Chris do a video review of his book. Although Chris agreed,<ref>[[June 2021 social media posts#Interdimensional travels]]</ref> the review did not come to pass, particularly due to the subsequent [[incest]] revelations and [[Jail Saga]]. | ||
Undeterred, on 6 [[September 2021]], Dylan traveled to [[Ruckersville]], where he trespassed at the yard of [[14 Branchland Court]] while [[Yard Tour (2021)|taking photos and recording video of its neglected state]]. During his video commentary, he advertised his book. The following day, he uploaded the video and messaged [[GiBi]] on Twitter. This resulted in his exposure and doxing on the [[Kiwi Farms]], and several people calling him out on his clout-chasing attempts, after which he deleted his video within an hour, suggesting he was following the thread. [[Autism|Why]], then, he didn't know better is a mystery. | Undeterred, on 6 [[September 2021]], Dylan traveled to [[Ruckersville]], where he trespassed at the yard of [[14 Branchland Court]] while [[Yard Tour (2021)|taking photos and recording video of its neglected state]]. During his video commentary, he advertised his book. The following day, he uploaded the video and messaged [[GiBi]] on Twitter. This resulted in his exposure and doxing on the [[Kiwi Farms]], and several people calling him out on his clout-chasing attempts, after which he deleted his video within an hour, suggesting he was following the thread. [[Autism|Why]], then, he didn't know better is a mystery. | ||
===Clout Chasers=== | |||
====[[Ben Saint]]==== | |||
Known for exploiting Chris's belief in alternate dimensions by using his [[OC]] [[Night Star]] and creating comics featuring her to create a "Slime Saga," by [[September 2019]], Ben had uploaded to his Patreon scans of his comic. The Patreon account was used for Ben's projects in general (his non-CWC content was behind a paywall, whereas his Night Star comics were free to view).<ref>[[The Place chats - Ben Saint#29-30 September 2019]]</ref> | |||
====[[Bryanfrogboy]]==== | |||
In [[February 2018]], Bryan announced a Redbubble shop selling items with art based on his ''Chris Chan: A Prequel Comic'' and also Chris's own art. Chris tweeted in approval.<ref>[[Bryanfrogboy Chats#Announcing store opening]]</ref> | |||
<center><gallery> | |||
File:Bryanfrogboy merch 1.jpg|From Redbubble, with Bryan's art of Chris | |||
File:Bryanfrogboy merch 2.png|From Redbubble, with Chris's art | |||
File:Bryan carpetbagging.png | |||
</gallery></center> | |||
====[[DoopieDoOver]]==== | |||
DoopieDoOver was a voice actress who had gained Chris's attention. Instead of just ignoring him, she decided to profit off of Chris's infamy by going onto Kiwi Farms, creating a personal army against Chris. | |||
====Edmund McMillen==== | |||
{{quote|Honestly the Chris Chan card… it was a high point for me in the Kickstarter and I loved the card she did… :(|Edmund, answering a fan's question on which ''[[The Binding of Isaac]]'' card he is proudest.<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20220209065551/https://twitter.com/edmundmcmillen/status/1491303541197410306</ref>}} | |||
[[File:Edmundo.jpg|thumb|"I've been a fan of Chris for a very long time."]] | |||
{{w|Edmund McMillen}}, a game developer behind titles such as ''Super Meat Boy'', ''[[The Binding of Isaac]]'', ''Tapeworm'', and ''Mewgenics'', sought to collaborate with Chris and include his artwork within ''Isaac'' and ''Mewgenics''. | |||
He and Chris mutually follow each other on [[Twitter]] (as of [[August 2025]]), and he has also referenced Chris while promoting other projects. In [[May 2020]], he held livestreams regarding his upcoming card game ''Tapeworm'', and within the background, a framed photograph of Chris can be seen.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BORLjh-WSl8</ref> On one of the streams from 19 May, he displayed a [[medallion]] he had bought from Chris and answered a fan's question on his favorite saga, saying he didn't know but that it was probably the beginning stuff where Chris was making comics and challenging the world over them.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4y-bbnYqZ8</ref> | |||
Edmund commissioned Chris to create artwork for a card in ''The Binding of Isaac: Four Souls'', which was revealed on 17 [[June 2021]].<ref>[[June 2021 social media posts#Edmund McMillen]]</ref> It was then cancelled after Chris's [[incest]] scandal came to light,<ref>https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/isaacfoursouls/the-binding-of-isaac-4-souls-requiem/posts/3254814</ref> although three years later, Edmund again expressed interest in releasing the card.<ref>https://x.com/edmundmcmillen/status/1776483051301965827 ([https://archive.fo/BlAAg archive])</ref> | |||
According to Edmund, Chris kept in contact and sent him many letters from [[Central Virginia Regional Jail|jail]].<ref>https://twitter.com/edmundmcmillen/status/1757568134851260670 ([https://archive.fo/u1SVv archive])</ref> None of these letters have been released. He also received [[Jail Letter Gifts]] from Chris.<ref>https://www.tiktok.com/@edmundmcmillen/video/7271001333958905134</ref> | |||
Edmund personally gifted Chris a physical copy of ''The Binding of Isaac: Afterbirth+'' for the Nintendo Switch, and he played the game during a livestream in [[February 2024]].<ref>[[Round 2 - Media Share Suggestion Live Stream]]</ref> Chris also owns ''Super Meat Boy'' and ''Super Meat Boy Forever'' on his Switch,<ref>[[February 2024 social media posts#Stream Poll]]</ref> but it's uncertain whether or not they were also personally gifted to him. | |||
On 31 [[July 2025]], Edmund debuted his ''Mewgenics'' comic at the Gen Pop convention.<ref>https://x.com/edmundmcmillen/status/1950945993463079204 ([https://archive.fo/xIwb9 archive])</ref> A few days later, a fan noticed that Chris had collaborated on the comic and uploaded a photo of the page online.<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/ChrisChanSonichu/comments/1mgvw1c/new_chris_art_in_mewgenics_comic/ ([https://archive.fo/9fXjr archive])</ref> | |||
<center><gallery> | |||
File:Tainted Isaac Card.jpg|Chris's art for ''[[The Binding of Isaac]]'' (cancelled). | |||
File:Edmund McMillen Mewgenics comic, Chris art.jpeg|Chris's art for ''Mewgenics''. | |||
File:Official Mewgenics art.png|Official art for ''Mewgenics'', referencing the cover of [[Sonichu 0]]. | |||
</gallery></center> | |||
====Ethan Ralph==== | |||
After the fallout of the [[incest]] revelations, Ethan Ralph jumped on the opportunity to exploit Chris for views. Ethan, who had a history of vitriolic feelings towards [[Null]], sought to interview Chris, in particular about Null.<ref>https://twitter.com/TheRalphRetort/status/1421892854973091848 [https://archive.fo/gZ6MZ (archive)]</ref><ref>https://twitter.com/TheRalphRetort/status/1421893664108949508 ([https://archive.fo/Q7Aft archive])</ref><ref>https://twitter.com/TheRalphRetort/status/1421896486359547905 [https://archive.fo/PSUuX (archive)]</ref><ref>https://twitter.com/TheRalphRetort/status/1421905699391614982 [https://archive.fo/DwR5v (archive)]</ref> | |||
When Chris was located at [[Regency Inn Richmond]], Ethan livestreamed himself driving to the motel in search of him, knocking on every door on the second floor and [[Live Reading of SNT Vs Sonichu, Part 2|ordering pizza]] in a failed attempt to lure Chris out. After being kicked from the motel premises for loitering, Ethan soon returned upon being notified that police were in the area and filmed [[Incest Arrest|Chris's arrest]], all the while screaming comments and questions at Chris. | |||
It should also be noted that Ethan goes the extra mile by attempting to sell t-shirts with Chris's likeness on it in his online store,<ref>https://shop.theralphretort.com/the-moment-chris-chan ([https://archive.fo/tCf0U archive])</ref> without the latter's knowledge or permission, with no plans to compensate Chris for any sales made. | |||
====[[Keffals]]==== | |||
'''Keffals''', after getting involved in large-scale drama with Kiwi Farms, had decided to interact with Chris by being in an interview with him. She had also created a Patreon tier with a "Christory Tax", offering to release the unedited interview for a hundred thousand dollars. | |||
====[[MKRNightVee]]==== | |||
====[[Naught]]==== | |||
====[[Spooky Bones]]==== | |||
{{quote|[Hurtful Truth Level]'s well being will definitely not be served by disrespecting me by ignoring me like I'm a nobody | |||
[[Ego|I'm not a nobody]]|Spooky after a CWCki Jerkop was concerned about Hurtful's well-being.<ref>[[User:PsychoNerd054/DMs with Spooky#Spooky's True Colors]]</ref>}} | |||
Spooky Bones, also known by her persona Regina George, led the investigations of [[Isabella Loretta Janke]] and created the OP of the original Kiwi Farms megathread on her. However, as the drama was starting to ignite, and much of Bella's personal life was being dug into by the Mean Girls, the group that Spooky led, Bella left the Internet. Spooky, primarily motivated by the attention and recognition she received from the megathread, then went after other Chris orbiters with even the loosest connections to Bella. | |||
====[[The WCT]]==== | |||
====[[Xela]]==== | |||
Xela is a ween who tried to uncover many different aspects of Modern Christory, such as Flutter's identity and role, as well as Praetor's current work. In the process, he stirred up drama by creating a rumor that Chris and Flutter were going to have a baby. | |||
==Arguments against carpetbagging== | |||
Like the rest of the [[Unholy Quintet]], there are plenty of good reasons to not become a carpetbagger. | |||
===Associating yourself with Chris is never a good idea=== | |||
Chris has an infamous reputation, cultivated through years of bad behavior both online and offline. Most notably, he committed a sex crime by engaging in [[incest]] with [[Barb|his mother]]. Even though the charges were dropped by the state of Virginia, the knowledge of Chris's actions will never fade from public consciousness. If you connect yourself to Chris, that will be the first thing many people think of whenever they hear your name. | |||
Having your name attached to Christory is a terrible idea by itself, but to do so on a large scale that millions of people will notice is even worse. | |||
===You will be actively selling bootleg merchandise=== | |||
[[Sonichu_(character)|Sonichu]] has always been a ripoff of [[Sonic]] and [[Pikachu]], two copyrighted characters owned by major video game companies. [[Nintendo]] in particular is known to harshly defend their copyrights, ordering the takedown of many fan projects under threat of legal action. Chris has managed to sail under their radar for years, not because they are unaware of him, but likely because they have concluded he is just a strange, overzealous fan. Unlike with fan-created games, there is no chance of Sonichu being mistaken for a genuine Sega or Nintendo product. For now, they see Chris's creations as posing no serious threat to their brands and thus simply not worth the hassle of dealing with through legal channels. However, that could always change, especially if enough people start producing their own Sonichu junk, so why take the risk of getting stuck with a bunch of crappy merchandise you're no longer allowed to sell? Besides, anything that wasn't made by Chris himself is not "TRUE and HONEST" Sonichu merchandise. The only reason most Chris followers would even want something like a medallion is because it came from Chris himself. | |||
Chris himself has already filed a [[:File:Geno Samuel - YT - Chris copyright removal request.jpg|copyright removal request]] against Geno Samuel's YouTube channel over his ''Sonichu: The Animated Series'', which used Chris's artwork, resulting in the videos being taken down and Geno's channel receiving a copyright strike. | |||
===Technically you will be leeching money from Chris=== | |||
As sad as it is, [[OfficialCWCmart|Chris's Etsy store]] is probably the closest he can ever get to [[Chris and work|earning income]] on his own. By making and selling unofficial Sonichu merchandise, you're depriving Chris of some of that money, and thus making it harder for him to do what people have always told him he should do (earn a living for himself and stop [[Monthly tugboat|leeching off government programs]]). | |||
===The negative attention you will receive makes it not worth it=== | |||
Historically, Chris has always attracted the [[Idea Guys|worst]] [[Jacob Sockness|kinds of]] [[Isabella Loretta Janke|people]], and that negative attention extends to anyone who becomes even tangentially involved with him. [[Geno]]'s [[Chris Chan: A Comprehensive History|documentary series]] is beloved by many Christorians, and even he received plenty of harsh criticism when he began selling his own line of Sonichu medallions and other Chris merchandise. Should Chris ever mention you, it could lead to you getting [[Dox|doxed]] by [[weens]], your face being posted on the [[CWCki]] for everyone to see, possibly even a [[Kiwi Farms]] thread. There are far better ways to eke out a few extra dollars online, which don't involve painting a Chris-shaped target on yourself. | |||
===You risk fucking up the public understanding of Christory=== | |||
By profiting off of Chris's story without giving a care about accuracy, and profiting off of what sounds nice, you risk creating mass confusion amongst the CWCSphere. Spooky Bones, noting how much attention the drama surrounding Chris's affair with his mother was receiving, decided to come up with as many juicy stories as she could surrounding the people that were involved when this was uncovered, only to then create a flurry of misconceptions and false views amongst the public. | |||
People later seemed to have caught onto people potentially repeating what Spooky did, and have since then become far more careful about taking juicy information about Chris Chan they see online. This is evidenced by the incident surrounding Xela spreading the rumor about Chris impregnating Flutter, hoping that propagating the story would help draw more answers about Flutter's identity. Though this story initially caught traction, people became skeptical of it a week later, and only brought negative attention onto Xela. | |||
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Carpetbaggers are people who exploit Chris's own infamy for personal gain, typically for money. Trolls of years past sometimes acted this out in order to rile up Chris, such as Liquid Chris, Jimmy Hill, and Jeff Ouzuo, though this was all part of their act, and no attempts at making a business out of it actually occurred. Several Chris orbiters in the late 2010s and 2020s have actually done so for business purposes. In a few cases, carpetbaggers have sought out Chris to collaborate with him.
Types of Carpetbaggers
Financial Exploiters
Financial Exploiters are people who profit off of Chris monetarily.
Clout Chasers
Clout Chasers are people who exploit Chris's infamy for personal gain, usually by creating, propagating, or being actively involved in drama, in order to receive attention to promote their platform. In many cases, this involves creating rumors or actively involving themselves in Chris's life when being associated with him causes an outrage.
Examples
Financial Exploiters
Dillin Thomas
Dillin Thomas is a YouTuber who formerly covered Chris. On 2 February 2020, he began selling a "Sonichu and Rosechu Valentines Day" shirt on Teespring, featuring art his girlfriend Taylor had drawn of Sonichu and Rosechu.[1] When Dillin promoted the shirt on Twitter, Chris replied, expressing interest in one of them.[2]
In the wake of the Affair with Mother, Chris was arrested at Regency Inn Richmond while wearing the shirt. Dillin decided to further capitalize on this by relisting the shirt on Redbubble with the title "Chris Chan Arrest Shirt".[3]
Geno Samuel
In 2018, Geno Samuel began producing Chris Chan: A Comprehensive History, a video series on YouTube. When Geno submitted his YouTube channel for monetization review, YouTube instead terminated his account over the clips of bullying within the series.[4] Geno set up another channel to continue the series.
Although Geno claimed in 2023, while advertising other video projects, that he would be preparing for a "post-CWC timeline,"[5] he instead doubled down. Later that year, Geno began selling items based on Chris's infamy without his approval. These include knockoff Sonichu medallions and a shirt with "WANT WOMAN!" printed on it (a reference to Chris's infamous outfit at Fridays After Five). Geno did not compensate Chris over using his Sonichu character.[6]
In response to seeing the items, Chris posted a tweet criticizing the medallions,[7] and he also posted a YouTube comment requesting Geno cease selling the shirt.[8]
In April 2025, Geno began uploading his version of a Sonichu: The Animated Series onto YouTube, which used artwork taken from Chris's comics, and was monetized through Geno's Patreon.[9] In response, Chris filed a copyright claim to YouTube over the intro and two episodes so far, which used Sonichu 0. YouTube then took down the videos and placed a copyright strike on Geno's channel.[10]
Kenneth Engelhardt
In 2022, Kenneth Engelhardt wanted to collaborate with Chris on a Sonichu-themed business project during the Jail Saga. Kenneth envisioned it as an "extended universe" of Sonichu.[11]
Upon learning of Chris's scheme to try to pay off Barbara Chandler to move out of 14 Branchland Court, among other disturbing comments, a disgusted Kenneth wrote Chris to inform him that he was planning to kick Chris out of the project. Kenneth told Chris that the project would be run by himself, Helena Fiorenza, and Eels and the Egg-man, by their agreement, and that Sonichu and Rosechu would be "broken down and recreated from scratch."[12]
Chris ignored Kenneth and stopped responding to his letters. Kenneth has apparently since abandoned his plans.
Luke
- Main article: The Place chats - Pennsylvania Trip
In 2020, Luke mailed a large box of random items to Chris - which included things with relevance to Chris like video games. Luke paid Chris to autograph each item. On 8 October, Chris drove to Pennsylvania and dropped off the package at Luke's house.[13] Luke then listed the items on Mercari as the storefront "CWCStore", but deceptively claimed that the items had belonged to Chris or his family members.[14][15][16]
Null
- Main article: Kiwi Farms silver coin
Null has had multiple conflicts of interest between his communications with Chris and his ownership of the CWCki Forums/Kiwi Farms gossip communities.
In May 2013, after the 2013 Facebook leak, Null emailed Chris to both inform him of the leak and attempt to manipulate him into registering an account on CWCki Forums.[17]
From 2018 to 2021, Null sporadically acted as a manager of Chris. Despite Null being aware of the conflict of interest between that role and his ownership of Kiwi Farms,[18] he took actions which used Chris's infamy to drive engagement on the forum. These include creating threads to post some of his DMs with Chris[18] and to discuss The Create Unknown's interview[19] (which Null had advised Chris to accept).[20] This culminated in Null asking Chris about using his likeness in the Kiwi Farms silver coins,[21] meant to raise money for the forum. While Null claimed he would compensate Chris, he later chose to block Chris over an unrelated matter,[22] and it is unclear whether Null followed through with compensation.
Praetor
In September 2020, a group lead by Caden Peck, named Praetor, met with Chris and arranged a business partnership with him.[23] Praetor's first item put up for sale on the group's shop OfficialCWCmart was a Sonichu-style medallion. The medallions were produced by Praetor, who paid Chris a royalty for the usage of his Sonichu character.[24]
OfficialCWCmart later expanded to other offerings, some produced by Praetor, and some by Chris.
In mid-2023, Caden was involved with financing the Big Island, VA house. Chris currently lives in it and pays rent.
Chris and Praetor's partnership remains active as of 2025.
ProjectSNT
In 2018 and 2019, ProjectSNT exploited Chris's infamy by promoting projects on redesigning Chris's characters through Patreon.
Rex Rowan Nabours III
In January 2012, Rex's band released Trollsta's Paradise: A True and Honest Tribute to Christian & The Hedgehog Boys, which covered Christian and the Hedgehog Boys. Despite using Chris's music and audio clips from him, Rex did not attempt to seek Chris's permission and did not compensate him.
Sonichu Solutions
At the June 2024 Fan Expo Dallas, a booth named "Sonichu Solutions" was set up. According to a customer, the owners of the booth were not affiliated with Chris.[25] The owners copied from Chris's Sonichu design and offered knockoffs of his medallions. Further, they also sold printed-out copies of Chris's jail art for $15 a piece.[26]
Winfield Winfield
Dylan Winfield, also known as Winfield Winfield, is a self-published horror novel author, intending his debut novel Cult of the Eclipse to be the first in a series. Dylan seemed to have found promoting his book by spamming Reddit and Twitter ineffective, so in June 2021 he hit upon the idea of requesting Chris do a video review of his book. Although Chris agreed,[27] the review did not come to pass, particularly due to the subsequent incest revelations and Jail Saga.
Undeterred, on 6 September 2021, Dylan traveled to Ruckersville, where he trespassed at the yard of 14 Branchland Court while taking photos and recording video of its neglected state. During his video commentary, he advertised his book. The following day, he uploaded the video and messaged GiBi on Twitter. This resulted in his exposure and doxing on the Kiwi Farms, and several people calling him out on his clout-chasing attempts, after which he deleted his video within an hour, suggesting he was following the thread. Why, then, he didn't know better is a mystery.
Clout Chasers
Ben Saint
Known for exploiting Chris's belief in alternate dimensions by using his OC Night Star and creating comics featuring her to create a "Slime Saga," by September 2019, Ben had uploaded to his Patreon scans of his comic. The Patreon account was used for Ben's projects in general (his non-CWC content was behind a paywall, whereas his Night Star comics were free to view).[28]
Bryanfrogboy
In February 2018, Bryan announced a Redbubble shop selling items with art based on his Chris Chan: A Prequel Comic and also Chris's own art. Chris tweeted in approval.[29]
DoopieDoOver
DoopieDoOver was a voice actress who had gained Chris's attention. Instead of just ignoring him, she decided to profit off of Chris's infamy by going onto Kiwi Farms, creating a personal army against Chris.
Edmund McMillen
| “ | Honestly the Chris Chan card… it was a high point for me in the Kickstarter and I loved the card she did… :( | ” |
| Edmund, answering a fan's question on which The Binding of Isaac card he is proudest.[30] | ||
Edmund McMillen, a game developer behind titles such as Super Meat Boy, The Binding of Isaac, Tapeworm, and Mewgenics, sought to collaborate with Chris and include his artwork within Isaac and Mewgenics.
He and Chris mutually follow each other on Twitter (as of August 2025), and he has also referenced Chris while promoting other projects. In May 2020, he held livestreams regarding his upcoming card game Tapeworm, and within the background, a framed photograph of Chris can be seen.[31] On one of the streams from 19 May, he displayed a medallion he had bought from Chris and answered a fan's question on his favorite saga, saying he didn't know but that it was probably the beginning stuff where Chris was making comics and challenging the world over them.[32]
Edmund commissioned Chris to create artwork for a card in The Binding of Isaac: Four Souls, which was revealed on 17 June 2021.[33] It was then cancelled after Chris's incest scandal came to light,[34] although three years later, Edmund again expressed interest in releasing the card.[35]
According to Edmund, Chris kept in contact and sent him many letters from jail.[36] None of these letters have been released. He also received Jail Letter Gifts from Chris.[37]
Edmund personally gifted Chris a physical copy of The Binding of Isaac: Afterbirth+ for the Nintendo Switch, and he played the game during a livestream in February 2024.[38] Chris also owns Super Meat Boy and Super Meat Boy Forever on his Switch,[39] but it's uncertain whether or not they were also personally gifted to him.
On 31 July 2025, Edmund debuted his Mewgenics comic at the Gen Pop convention.[40] A few days later, a fan noticed that Chris had collaborated on the comic and uploaded a photo of the page online.[41]
Chris's art for The Binding of Isaac (cancelled).
Official art for Mewgenics, referencing the cover of Sonichu 0.
Ethan Ralph
After the fallout of the incest revelations, Ethan Ralph jumped on the opportunity to exploit Chris for views. Ethan, who had a history of vitriolic feelings towards Null, sought to interview Chris, in particular about Null.[42][43][44][45]
When Chris was located at Regency Inn Richmond, Ethan livestreamed himself driving to the motel in search of him, knocking on every door on the second floor and ordering pizza in a failed attempt to lure Chris out. After being kicked from the motel premises for loitering, Ethan soon returned upon being notified that police were in the area and filmed Chris's arrest, all the while screaming comments and questions at Chris.
It should also be noted that Ethan goes the extra mile by attempting to sell t-shirts with Chris's likeness on it in his online store,[46] without the latter's knowledge or permission, with no plans to compensate Chris for any sales made.
Keffals
Keffals, after getting involved in large-scale drama with Kiwi Farms, had decided to interact with Chris by being in an interview with him. She had also created a Patreon tier with a "Christory Tax", offering to release the unedited interview for a hundred thousand dollars.
MKRNightVee
Naught
Spooky Bones
| “ | [Hurtful Truth Level]'s well being will definitely not be served by disrespecting me by ignoring me like I'm a nobody | ” |
| Spooky after a CWCki Jerkop was concerned about Hurtful's well-being.[47] | ||
Spooky Bones, also known by her persona Regina George, led the investigations of Isabella Loretta Janke and created the OP of the original Kiwi Farms megathread on her. However, as the drama was starting to ignite, and much of Bella's personal life was being dug into by the Mean Girls, the group that Spooky led, Bella left the Internet. Spooky, primarily motivated by the attention and recognition she received from the megathread, then went after other Chris orbiters with even the loosest connections to Bella.
The WCT
Xela
Xela is a ween who tried to uncover many different aspects of Modern Christory, such as Flutter's identity and role, as well as Praetor's current work. In the process, he stirred up drama by creating a rumor that Chris and Flutter were going to have a baby.
Arguments against carpetbagging
Like the rest of the Unholy Quintet, there are plenty of good reasons to not become a carpetbagger.
Associating yourself with Chris is never a good idea
Chris has an infamous reputation, cultivated through years of bad behavior both online and offline. Most notably, he committed a sex crime by engaging in incest with his mother. Even though the charges were dropped by the state of Virginia, the knowledge of Chris's actions will never fade from public consciousness. If you connect yourself to Chris, that will be the first thing many people think of whenever they hear your name.
Having your name attached to Christory is a terrible idea by itself, but to do so on a large scale that millions of people will notice is even worse.
You will be actively selling bootleg merchandise
Sonichu has always been a ripoff of Sonic and Pikachu, two copyrighted characters owned by major video game companies. Nintendo in particular is known to harshly defend their copyrights, ordering the takedown of many fan projects under threat of legal action. Chris has managed to sail under their radar for years, not because they are unaware of him, but likely because they have concluded he is just a strange, overzealous fan. Unlike with fan-created games, there is no chance of Sonichu being mistaken for a genuine Sega or Nintendo product. For now, they see Chris's creations as posing no serious threat to their brands and thus simply not worth the hassle of dealing with through legal channels. However, that could always change, especially if enough people start producing their own Sonichu junk, so why take the risk of getting stuck with a bunch of crappy merchandise you're no longer allowed to sell? Besides, anything that wasn't made by Chris himself is not "TRUE and HONEST" Sonichu merchandise. The only reason most Chris followers would even want something like a medallion is because it came from Chris himself.
Chris himself has already filed a copyright removal request against Geno Samuel's YouTube channel over his Sonichu: The Animated Series, which used Chris's artwork, resulting in the videos being taken down and Geno's channel receiving a copyright strike.
Technically you will be leeching money from Chris
As sad as it is, Chris's Etsy store is probably the closest he can ever get to earning income on his own. By making and selling unofficial Sonichu merchandise, you're depriving Chris of some of that money, and thus making it harder for him to do what people have always told him he should do (earn a living for himself and stop leeching off government programs).
The negative attention you will receive makes it not worth it
Historically, Chris has always attracted the worst kinds of people, and that negative attention extends to anyone who becomes even tangentially involved with him. Geno's documentary series is beloved by many Christorians, and even he received plenty of harsh criticism when he began selling his own line of Sonichu medallions and other Chris merchandise. Should Chris ever mention you, it could lead to you getting doxed by weens, your face being posted on the CWCki for everyone to see, possibly even a Kiwi Farms thread. There are far better ways to eke out a few extra dollars online, which don't involve painting a Chris-shaped target on yourself.
You risk fucking up the public understanding of Christory
By profiting off of Chris's story without giving a care about accuracy, and profiting off of what sounds nice, you risk creating mass confusion amongst the CWCSphere. Spooky Bones, noting how much attention the drama surrounding Chris's affair with his mother was receiving, decided to come up with as many juicy stories as she could surrounding the people that were involved when this was uncovered, only to then create a flurry of misconceptions and false views amongst the public.
People later seemed to have caught onto people potentially repeating what Spooky did, and have since then become far more careful about taking juicy information about Chris Chan they see online. This is evidenced by the incident surrounding Xela spreading the rumor about Chris impregnating Flutter, hoping that propagating the story would help draw more answers about Flutter's identity. Though this story initially caught traction, people became skeptical of it a week later, and only brought negative attention onto Xela.
References
- ↑ https://web.archive.org/web/20210802031401/https://twitter.com/MerloTart/status/1422032803424727046
- ↑ February 2020 social media posts#Sonichu and Rosechu shirt
- ↑ https://web.archive.org/web/20210802031723/https://www.redbubble.com/i/t-shirt/Chris-Chan-Arrest-Shirt-by-DillinThomasDHT/84254092.WFLAH
- ↑ https://www.reddit.com/r/ChrisChanSonichu/comments/bpe1lz/comment/enu9fug/ (archive)
- ↑ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_3pplzbKMZsP5zBH_6SVJQ/community?lb=Ugkx1NS-4BZN8YLim5ATFO2M6WDj1qzPHZ5P (archive)
- ↑ https://www.reddit.com/r/ChrisChanSonichu/comments/18i2bgw/chris_responds_to_a_customer_buying_genos/kodn5gj/ (archive)
- ↑ December 2023 social media posts#Criticizing Geno's medallion product
- ↑ List of Chris's comments on YouTube#Geno selling Want Woman shirt
- ↑ https://www.youtube.com/@genosamuel2.1/community (archive)
- ↑ Official CWCki Server chats#Termination of Sonichu: The Animated Series
- ↑ The Sonichu Project
- ↑ Excommunication letter
- ↑ The Place chats - Pennsylvania Trip
- ↑ https://archive.ph/ipaiV
- ↑ https://archive.ph/DRQFv
- ↑ https://archive.ph/0nb2M
- ↑ CWCki Forums posts (Null)#Attempt to Convince Chris to Join
- ↑ 18.0 18.1 Kiwi Farms posts (Null)#Chris's Therapist
- ↑ Kiwi Farms posts (Null)#Create Unknown Interview
- ↑ The Place chats (October 2020)#Interview Prep, Mad Over Wikipedia
- ↑ Kiwi Farms posts (Null)#Chris's Permission for Coin Merch
- ↑ Kiwi Farms posts (Null)#Chris Stole $750 From Barbara
- ↑ The Place chats (September 2020)#The "New Associates" (and Helena Hate)
- ↑ Praetor#Royalty payment
- ↑ https://x.com/BitchAssBowie/status/1799594576405282826 (archive)
- ↑ File:Jail Art - 05Jun22 - An Honest Self-Portrait from June, 2021.jpg
- ↑ June 2021 social media posts#Interdimensional travels
- ↑ The Place chats - Ben Saint#29-30 September 2019
- ↑ Bryanfrogboy Chats#Announcing store opening
- ↑ https://web.archive.org/web/20220209065551/https://twitter.com/edmundmcmillen/status/1491303541197410306
- ↑ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BORLjh-WSl8
- ↑ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4y-bbnYqZ8
- ↑ June 2021 social media posts#Edmund McMillen
- ↑ https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/isaacfoursouls/the-binding-of-isaac-4-souls-requiem/posts/3254814
- ↑ https://x.com/edmundmcmillen/status/1776483051301965827 (archive)
- ↑ https://twitter.com/edmundmcmillen/status/1757568134851260670 (archive)
- ↑ https://www.tiktok.com/@edmundmcmillen/video/7271001333958905134
- ↑ Round 2 - Media Share Suggestion Live Stream
- ↑ February 2024 social media posts#Stream Poll
- ↑ https://x.com/edmundmcmillen/status/1950945993463079204 (archive)
- ↑ https://www.reddit.com/r/ChrisChanSonichu/comments/1mgvw1c/new_chris_art_in_mewgenics_comic/ (archive)
- ↑ https://twitter.com/TheRalphRetort/status/1421892854973091848 (archive)
- ↑ https://twitter.com/TheRalphRetort/status/1421893664108949508 (archive)
- ↑ https://twitter.com/TheRalphRetort/status/1421896486359547905 (archive)
- ↑ https://twitter.com/TheRalphRetort/status/1421905699391614982 (archive)
- ↑ https://shop.theralphretort.com/the-moment-chris-chan (archive)
- ↑ User:PsychoNerd054/DMs with Spooky#Spooky's True Colors
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