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:''This article is about Chris's opinions on transgender and intersex people. For Chris's identity as a lesbian transwoman, see [[Transgender]]. For a general overview, see [[Chris and gender]].'' | |||
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[[File:Silvana34.jpg|thumb|Sylvana, a prominent example of a "hermaphrodite"]] | {{Quote| I truly feel that women should only be portrayed as they truly are individually; strong, powerful, smart, beautiful and equal as human beings. And when anyone draws a true woman with a dick, they have broken not only the legal law, but God and Jesus' law to the extent. But I digress.|Chris, on the [[Sonichu Girls]] website, expressing his disgust towards women being drawn with penises.<ref>[[Sonichu Girls#Your understanding me fukky (1 January 2009)]]</ref>}} | ||
{{Quote|There Was a time before I realized mine being a female soul trapped in a male-born body, when I was [[Homos|homophobic]]. But I became better aware of these kind and open-hearted people, and learned how understanding and compassionate they are, and with that, losing the homophobia, I felt more at peace with myself and those around me.|Chris after transitioning.<ref>[[January 2017 Facebook Posts#Open letter to Barron Trump]]</ref>}} | |||
[[File:Silvana34.jpg|thumb|250px|Sylvana, a prominent example of a "hermaphrodite"]] | |||
'''Hermaphroditism''' is the biological condition where an organism possesses reproductive organs and/or gametes of both sexes.<ref>{{w|Hermaphrodite}}</ref> The term was also once used to refer to people who were intersex. | '''Hermaphroditism''' is the biological condition where an organism possesses reproductive organs and/or gametes of both sexes.<ref>{{w|Hermaphrodite}}</ref> The term was also once used to refer to people who were intersex. | ||
Chris, however, specifically applied the term "'''hermaphrodite'''" to refer to any person that he perceived as being "female", but with a penis and secondary female sex characteristics (such as breasts). This included transgender women that hadn't received bottom surgery, as well as intersex people that he perceived as being female. In essence, Chris used the term the same way some people would refer to such people as "shemales", "dickgirls", or "futa". | Chris, however, specifically applied the term "'''hermaphrodite'''" to refer to any person that he perceived as being "female" or of an ambiguous gender, but with a penis and secondary female sex characteristics (such as breasts). This included transgender women that hadn't received bottom surgery, as well as intersex people that he perceived as being female. In essence, Chris used the term the same way some people would refer to such people as "shemales", "dickgirls", or "futa". | ||
Chris more often than not used the term as a pejorative towards trans women, under the fear that they too can make him gay, due to their supposed ability to subvert his straightness. During the Classic Era, Chris was also noted for being peeved by his female characters being portrayed as "hermaphrodites", being portrayed with penises or as trans women. For these reasons, the way Chris used the term can be thought of as the transgender equivalent of "homos". Chris has also used the term "[[homo]]", as well as "'''lady-man'''", as demeaning terms towards trans women that he he didn't deem authentic, and refused to respect the identities of.<ref name=ladyman>[[Doxing Jeff/Francine]]</ref> These past attitudes of Chris's however, are far overshadowed amongst the CWCsphere by his recent, more vocal support for trans people on social media. | |||
Chris similarly used the term "'''intersex'''" to refer to the same thing, using the term on himself when he began transitioning,<ref>[[August 2014 Facebook Posts#Chris comes out... kinda]]</ref> as well as for the characters [[Rosechu]] and [[Sylvana]], both of whom had penises at one point or another. | Chris similarly used the term "'''intersex'''" to refer to the same thing, but in a less derogatory manner, using the term on himself when he began transitioning,<ref>[[August 2014 Facebook Posts#Chris comes out... kinda]]</ref> as well as for the characters [[Rosechu]] and [[Sylvana]], both of whom had penises at one point or another. | ||
==Understanding of Biological Sex== | ==Understanding of Biological Sex== | ||
Like with a lot of other things, Chris's understanding of trans and intersex people came from the media he's | {{Quote|Imagine you have a newborn child whose sex cannot be determined. A risk-free surgery performed immediately could provide normal male or female sexual and reproductive function. Which would you choose?|An actual question from Chris's OkCupid, asking him about a proposed intersex child.<ref name = cupid>[[List of OkCupid Answers]]</ref>}} | ||
{{quote|If a Hermaphrodite, I would raise it to be male regardless since it would not have any eggs anyway. Plus big bonus for (him) in sex with all women (lesbians included I would imagine).|Chris, answering by opposing the idea of giving his proposed kid a sex-change surgery, often misconstrued for Chris wanting to transition in order to attract lesbians.<ref name = cupid></ref>}} | |||
The point at which Chris draws the line at someone being "male" or "female" appears to be based on a number of external traits which he notices about them, such as their "attractiveness" and what body parts they have. | |||
Like with a lot of other things, Chris's understanding of trans and intersex people came from the [[Chris and television|media]] [[Chris and video games|he's]] [[Chris and pornography|consumed]]. His initial understanding of such concepts mirrored those of many other people during the late 2000s and early 2010s. Chris had seemingly conflated transgenderism with intersexuality, believing that both terms referred to the same thing. | |||
This is apparent when he called [[Bailey Jay]] a "hermaphrodite", and compared the discovery of her being transgender to scenes from "''The Crying Game''" and "''The Cleveland Show''" involving transgender characters, entailing that he believed that all trans people who identify as "women" were either just men in dresses (who he often times grouped together with the [[homos]]), or true and honest women that just happened to have a penis. Predictably, his measuring stick in this regard was seemingly based on how "pretty" he deemed them, or how much he liked them, much like with Bailey, who he admitted having conflicting feelings about, and even apologized to after she admitted to being hurt by Chris's comment. Inversely, he refused to show any sort of respect towards [[Jeff Ouzuo|Francine]]'s identity, calling her voice shrill, and making comments about how little she did in terms of transitioning.<ref name=gatekeeping>[[I Am me; He is not]]</ref> Chris however, never applied this criteria to himself, deeming himself as a sort of [[Chris and his ego|paragon of femininity]], depicting himself as such when he deemed himself a CPU Goddess, and boasting about his own transition milestones, despite many people noting he didn't look much different from how he did before.<ref name=gatekeeping>[[I Am me; He is not]]</ref> | |||
Chris however stated a couple times that if he were to have a "hermaphrodite" for a child, he'd raise them as a boy.<ref name = hit>[[Mailbag 27#Is Chris hitting on Bailey Jay?]]</ref> When asked about raising an intersex child, or a child "whose sex cannot be determined", he took this to be referring to his oddly specific definition of the term, saying that he'd also raise them as a boy for not having ovaries, even referring to them by he/him pronouns, in the hopes of them scoring all kinds of women (including lesbians), further indicating he also views biological sex through the lens of a person's genitals.<ref name = cupid></ref> Chris also seems to deem trans women that do get surgery as "fully female", as evidenced by him referring to Rosechu and Sylvana as such after having their penises removed, giving further credence to this. | |||
Chris | Despite this, Chris also believes that all bodies, regardless of them being "male" or "female", all have the same physiological functionalities under the correct circumstances, and that someone's sex can be easily changed. He, for example, believed that those with a penis [[Pregnant Act|can get pregnant]], theorizing that it may be possible by his mate's egg winding up inside him, and getting fertilized by his sperm. Chris similarly proposed the idea that those that are born male may actually have a vagina inside of them, misconstruing the biological fact that human fetuses have "female" organs (such as nipples and developing vulvas) before getting a Y chromosome, leading to the [[Self-inflicted taint wound|second instance]] where he mutilated his own taint.<ref>[[Reddit#Can males be born with a hidden vagina (minus the uterus)? (3 July 2016)]]</ref> Chris had also shared two clickbait articles on Facebook, which stated that one's sex is merely what one is assigned with at birth, to which [[William Elliott Waterman]] pointed out was factually incorrect, sharing another article.<ref>[[July 2016 Facebook posts#Sharing Clickbait Articles]]</ref> Chris also believed that trans women can get periods the same way that cis women do, as evidenced by a reply he had made towards the trans influencer LifeofBria, where she conflated getting period-like symptoms as a result of being on hormone replacement therapy with having a full-on period, a process primarily defined by the shedding of the uterine lining in preparing for a potential pregnancy.<ref>{{w|Menstrual cycle}}</ref> Chris unequivocally agreed with this, stating his own mood swings were his "period".<ref>[[July 2018 social media posts#Chris's periods]]</ref> | ||
Chris | ===Terminology=== | ||
Prior to transitioning, Chris has used a number of pejoratives to refer to trans people. As stated previously, Chris often grouped trans people together with the homos, particularly the ones that he refused to respect the identities of, and referred to them as such. This was because he viewed homosexual men through the stereotype of them being innately effeminate or flamboyant, and even cited them "forcing their flamboyancy" on other people after he had gotten discovered on [[Tomboys and Tomgirls of Virginia]].<ref>[[Tomboys And Tomgirls of Virginia#Re: Homosexuals]]</ref> It was only natural then that Chris would also wind up using the term on people he strictly viewed as "effeminate men", leading to some degree of confusion on what he was referring to in some cases. | |||
Chris | While exploring his gender identity, Chris navigated a linguistic minefield of ''transgender'', ''transsexual'', ''transvestite'', ''intersex'', ''bisexual'', ''hermaphrodite'', and his own ''tomgirl'', leading to some confusion as he adapted and experimented. On his [[OKCupid]] profile, when asked, "Would you date a transgender person," he replied, "Yes, as long as she was born female and was still female (or a tomboy)."<ref name = cupid></ref> He told [[Jackie]] that the fact that he loved wearing women’s clothing did not make him a “transvestite.”<ref>[[Jackie E-mails 24]]</ref> He told gal-pal [[Rebeckah Bentley E-mails|Rebeckah Bentley]] that the [[unclit]] made him “bisexual” when he meant intersex; he promptly flipped his shit when Rebeckah asked if he wanted to fuck dudes now.<ref>[[Rebeckah Bentley E-mails#Introducing the un-clit]]</ref> Chris also used the term ''tranny'' to describe himself prior to actually committing to being transgender, which is a can of worms due to its association as a derogatory term against trans people. | ||
==" | Chris also appears to believe that intersexuality is a special condition involving ANY sort of gender non-conformity within a person, including being transgender or having one's genitals changed. As stated previously, Chris has also at a time used the terms "transgender" and "intersex" interchangeably, believing that they both mean the same thing. For example, Chris on several occasions referred to himself as "intersex", due to having a penis, but having a "lesbian soul", failing to understand that the term is explicitly used for individuals that have BOTH male and female gametes, which he doesn't have. | ||
On 14 [[August 2014]], he came out publicly, although as what exactly wasn’t certain, given his garbled and inconsistent vocabulary. The initial announcement was that he was "a Tomgirl, Intersex of Female Soul with Male Body, and a Tranny Cross-Dresser." Apparently unbeknownst to Chris, intersex is a chromosomal condition causing ambiguous genitalia and can present in many forms, none of which appear to be true of Chris. Then he said he was a "Lesbian Identified Man and a Cross-Dressing Tranny." Two weeks later he was telling [[Catherine]] that he was a "Lesbian tomgirl transgender male" but also "[[Three-Quarter Woman|three-quarters woman]]." By September he seemed to have settled on "Lesbian Transgender (a Female, Lesbian Soul trapped in a male body)."<ref>[[August 2014 Facebook Posts#Chris comes out...kinda]], [[August 2014 Facebook Posts#Flirt the skirt!]], [[Catie Date Conversation Transcript#Understanding the whole tomgirl thing]], and [[September 2014 Facebook Posts#Alright, Alright, NOW It's OK to Be Gay]]</ref> In [[April 2015]], apparently no longer a "man," he changed his Facebook pronoun to "she" and his name to "Christine".<ref>[[April 2015 Facebook posts#A new pronoun]]</ref> This month also saw the beginning of a flurry of Facebook "likes" for all sorts of progressive transgender issues, such as restroom choice and gay marriage. Whatever he was, he was certainly proud of it, and wasted no time trying to persuade his new L(G)BT personal army to wage war against local manajerks. | |||
===Pronouns=== | |||
Chris tends to use the preferred pronouns of other transgender people that he likes, such as the MTF violet4151<ref>[[Oestrogel application and Vibrating Bra, How To]]</ref> and [[Miss Cherry]], and the FTM Lukas of the [[Teen Troon Squad]] and [[Nowacking]]. | |||
The exceptions to this occurred under troll manipulation, in the case of [[Jack Thaddeus]], who he claimed would never be a part of "femdom" after getting a sex change, and when he flip-flopped between referring to the troll transwoman character [[Jeff Ouzuo]] with female and male pronouns. | |||
==Past Transphobia== | |||
{{quote|Perhaps you are actually a dude, or even worse, a hermaphrodite.|Chris questioning the authenticity of ShmionSonozaki.<ref>[[CWC Calls Out Three Naïve YouTubers]]</ref>}} | {{quote|Perhaps you are actually a dude, or even worse, a hermaphrodite.|Chris questioning the authenticity of ShmionSonozaki.<ref>[[CWC Calls Out Three Naïve YouTubers]]</ref>}} | ||
During the Classic Era, Chris has shown | During the Classic Era, similar to his attitudes towards the "[[homos]]", Chris has also shown an aversion towards trans people, particularly trans women, viewing them as something that could potentially subvert his straightness. Considering his distaste for being seen as a homo himself, as well as him expressing his longing for vagina, it would only make sense that at the time he'd be repulsed by the idea of a man being attracted to what he viewed as another man posing as a woman, or a woman having a penis, theories which Chris had proven correct many, many times. Also like with the homos, Chris believed that hermaphrodites had the ability and desire to make him gay, claiming that he even found the prospect of a woman who was seducing him being a hermaphrodite worse than if he was catfished by a man, as evidenced when he [[CWC Calls Out Three Naïve YouTubers|called out ShmionSonozaki]], where he questioned if she was a "pretty woman", before bringing up the possibility of her being a man, or "worse", a hermaphrodite. Ironically, Chris had also stated that he'd rather get a sex change operation before ever becoming a homo,<ref>[[:File:SchuComic9P39.jpg]]</ref> which led to questioning from trolls.<ref>[[Mumble 6#On The Transgender Community]]</ref> Chris has also seemed to agree to the notion of transgender women being seen as authentic women, but was just discomforted by them.<ref>[[IRC (03 January 2009)]]</ref> This trait of his was exploited, and became a well-known means to troll him on several occasions, usually by depicting some of his female characters as transgender, or in one case, attempting to hook him up with a trans woman. [[Liquid Chris]] has even parodied Chris's use of the term "hermaphrodite" in one of his videos. <ref>[[CChanSonichuCWC Videos, June-July 2009#ECV 00120 Christian Weston Chandler Threatens A TROLL, TO BACK OFF!!]]</ref> | ||
[[File:Original-chrischan-rosechu-trap.jpg|thumb|An edited version of a porn drawing Chris made that [[Sarah May]] manipulated him into making to get his site back.]] | |||
A heavy target towards this method of trolling was the character [[Rosechu]], who was depicted countless times by trolls as being born male, due to being designed with a male Raichu tail, putting the straightness of Sonichu himself into question. Trolls have noticed that all instances of this made Chris [[Chris and anger|particularly angry]]. | |||
When Chris had first discovered his ED page, and noticed Rosechu [[Evan E-mails|drawn with a penis]], he tried to dispel the rumors of her being a gay man by creating an entire episode for the Sonichu comics, the infamous [[Episode 17]]. In that episode, Chris drew Rosechu naked on many occasions, putting great emphasis on the fact she had a vagina. This of course wouldn't stop trolls from continuing to troll Chris in this manner, making more art of Rosechu with the offending appendage, and declaring Rosechu as a trans symbol, in order to anger Chris further. Chris's insistence to the contrary had only made Rosechu having a pickle to become more of a meme amongst those aware of Chris's story. | |||
Chris was manipulated by [[Sarah May]] to edit a drawing that he made with Rosechu wearing a strap-on dildo, changing it so that she had a penis instead, with Sarah claiming that he can get his website back if he did.<ref name = skype>[[Sarah May Skype Logs#Chris draws Rosechu with a dick]]</ref> She lied. Chris has also received a [[Mailbag 39#Rosechu the transwoman|number]] [[Mailbag 42#It was just a girl that had all the physical characteristics of a boy|of replies]] [[Mailbag 44#On Rosechu's man-parts|in the]] [[Mailbag]] praising him for his supposed portrayal of Rosechu as a trans woman, leading to [[12 January 2010|one of the most well known instances]] of Chris's wrath. | |||
{{quote|And also, Rosechu has always been a woman! If you look on page three of book number one, it says right there that that Raichu was a girl! Quote unquote, GIRL. RAICHU! And Sonichu has been straight the whole time! He's always been straight! Rosechu's always been a woman...! [long pause] UUUUUURRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRGH!!|Chris<ref>[[12 January 2010#Part 2]]</ref>}} | |||
Despite Chris trying to claim that he always intended Rosechu to be born a girl Raichu, even slapping together a collage to try and claim she was born with a blunt tail, trolls have pointed the obvious out, seeing through Chris's obvious lie. Chris had deleted such comments that point this out, adding more suspicion.<ref>[[Mailbag 45#Caught in a lie? Just delete the evidence]]</ref><ref>[[Mailbag 51#ACCEPT THE FACTS and Lay Off]]</ref> Despite all efforts Chris had made to deny Rosechu being trans, one fan admitted the obvious, and told him that all he had to do is mention how in his world, this gender difference never existed, and Chris rolled with this.<ref>[[Mailbag 51#Apologizing deeply]]</ref> | |||
Chris also created the character [[Sylvana Rosechu]], who was originally a female Rosechu that has the ability to shape shift. In [[Sonichu 8]], Chris introduces the lore that Count Graduon had granted her her ability to shape shift under the condition she be born intersex, and loses her ability to give birth. From there, she was able to give herself a vagina or penis at will, often while seducing other characters. Trolls and observers have speculated that Chris gave her this ability as a way of symbolizing his frustration with all the times he's been catfished by trolls, especially when she "trolled" Chris in [[Sonichu 10]], though this is conjecture at best. Chris said himself that trolls had "inspired" him to make her a "hermaphrodite",<ref>[[Jackie Chat 2]]</ref> that [[Count Graduon]] had "forced" Chris to make her have a penis under said troll influence, <ref name = common>[[Common Questions]]</ref> and proclaimed he intended for Sylvana to be "all female" when she seduced him. This indicates that it is more likely he was manipulated in some way to make her like this, exploiting Chris's stressor. Chris said that Silvana was his least favorite character to work with for this reason,<ref name = common></ref> and also stated that fans can draw her naked, just so long as she's drawn with a vagina.<ref>[[Sonichu Girls#I will also accept Fan Art for the Magazine from y'all. (14 January 2009)]]</ref> The infamous drawing of Silvana masturbating was also created as a commission from [[Sarah May]], bribing Chris to do it to get his website back.<ref name = skype></ref> | |||
One of the most infamous examples of Chris's former transphobia was his encounter with the troll sweetheart [[Bailey Jay]] in the CWCipedia's Mailbag. There, the troll behind the Bailey persona had seemingly taken note of the other instances of Chris being catfished, and decided to put Chris's self-proclaimed "straightness" to the test. In the first message that she sent to Chris, Bailey claims that she had a hard time finding men to fall in love with.<ref>[[Mailbag 8#It's a trap]]</ref> After Chris replied, calling her "cute" and "pretty", she sent nude photos of herself to Chris, revealing she had a penis.<ref name = trap>[[Mailbag 25#It's a trap, again!]]</ref> | |||
{{quote|OH MY GOD!!! UGH!!! ARE YOU REALLY A HERMAPHRODITE?! I'm sorry, but that naughty picture just really shocked me and made me want to throw up. *deep breath* You do have a pretty face, but what happened just now is just like the movie, "The Crying Game", or the Thanksgiving episode of "The Cleveland Show".|Chris<ref name = trap></ref>}} | |||
Chris showed very conflicting feelings at the revelation, still calling Bailey "pretty", but also being unnerved at her being trans. Chris then apologized to Bailey when she expressed having her feelings hurt, and in the same post, Chris also rambles a couple of times about being "straight", as assigned by God, obviously being defensive about the previous comments he made towards her.<ref name=hit></ref> | |||
Several other trolls took note of Chris's reaction to Bailey, as well as a portion of [[Sonichu 10]], where Chris is seen getting "trolled" by [[Silvana]] by being seduced by her, disguised as [[Meg Griffin]], and they began asking him more questions about "hermaphrodites" in future Mailbags, such as in [[Mailbag 37]].<ref>[[Mailbag 37#Meg Griffin: wicked shemale hedgehog]]</ref> In [[Mailbag 39]], another troll asked Chris if he had sex with [[Sylvana]], who at the time was portrayed with a penis, and asked him he'd want to have sex with a "shemale".<ref name=sylvana>[[Mailbag 39#Shemales and man-tits]]</ref> Chris angrily replied that he never had sex with her, and that he'd never have sex with a hermaphrodite, proclaiming he had intentions of retconning her ability to become one. | |||
{{quote|Second, to answer your questions. 1) No, I did not have sex with Silvana; ONLY MAKING OUT. When Silvana takes the form of an ALL-Female individual, its dick is GONE. 2) I would NEVER CARE to have sex with a Hermaphrodite.|Chris<ref name=sylvana></ref>}} | |||
In [[Mailbag 43]], another troll suggests the idea of [[Bubbles Rosechu]] being a trans woman after she claimed she'd "hit that" following her name being changed to Kitty in the Asperchu interpretation of the Chaotic Combo. Chris had deleted this statement, and replaced it with two other ones, calling Alec Benson Leary's recreation of the characters "unapproved".<ref>[[Mailbag 43#Chris defends the makeovers]]</ref> | |||
Even after he began transitioning himself, and requesting that other people respect his new identity, Chris has [[Chris and hypocrisy|still shown several instances of transphobia]]. | |||
When he tried to "expose" [[Jack Thaddeus]], he was tricked into believing that Jack was the lolcow Ahuviya Rotem Harel, who was also transgender. He used this fact as something to "expose him" for, as well as making fun of him for going through a sex change operation in order to chase after men.<ref>[[Calling Out Jack Thaddius - Ahuviya]]</ref> Even after Chris wishes Jack luck with the operation, he also claims that he won't be a part of "femdom", and calls him a "homo".<ref>[[Response to ADF]]</ref> | |||
Chris also refers to trans women as "fake women", and uses the term "trannies" a couple of times,<ref group = note>It should be noted that the term "tranny" wasn't universally recognized as a slur at the time, and instead a common term for trans people. This conversation was also before he openly transitioned, where he also referred to himself as a "tranny".</ref> in a 23 April 2014 conversation that he had with the troll gal-pal [[LoveYouLongTime]]. In the conversation, which is about his Love Quest and the the [[Megan|women]] [[The Wallflower|he's chased]] and had to sort through, he still expresses the belief that these "trannies" still have the intention of chasing after men and making them gay.<ref>[[LoveYouLongTime E-mails, 2013-2014#Lovequest - No Confidence]]</ref> | |||
During his encounters with [[Jeff Ouzuo|Francine Ouzuo]], Chris was noted for several instances of gatekeeping. In one of the videos addressing them, Chris expressing feeling angry at her, declaring that she "is no woman", claiming they have no "female soul", and calling them by their "male" name for this reason.. | |||
{{quote|Anyway, pfft, aside from that [stress sighs, grunts] I'm really pissed off at Jeff. I'm going by the, his male name, because he is no woman. No female soul whatsoever, regardless, [places Amiibo off-camera once more] regardless of the fact of having his balls chopped up, [in falsetto] sounding like a high pitched choirboy now! [returns to normal voice, clears throat]|Chris<ref name=gatekeeping></ref>}} | |||
When Francine had been distributing unofficial Sonichu merchandise, and believing that Francine had created the fangame ''[[Christian Weston Chandler's Adult Chronicles]]'', Chris tried doxing her, and called her a "lady-man".<ref name = ladyman></ref> | |||
===Defenses against his Effeminancy=== | |||
{{See also|Gender dysphoria}} | |||
[[File:TG20.jpg|thumb|Chris in one of the first [[Tomgirl Pictures]], in all of his feminine glory.]] | |||
Before his transition, Chris tried to maintain his "straightness" by acting like what he thought a stereotypical man acted like, showing insecurity of his more effeminate traits. Like a lot of other people at the time, Chris believed that him showcasing his femineity was a sign of him being "gay", and so took every possible opportunity while recording himself to subvert it by feigning masculinity. | |||
When Chris was forced to admit that he was gay by a group of trolls, he held up an action figure of [[Optimus Prime]], who he deemed as a symbol of masculinity, throughout the entire video.<ref>[[Chris Comes Out of the Closet]]</ref> Chris had also greatly exaggerated his physical prowess, usually to appear more powerful than his trolls or to impress his gal-pals. These attempts included him [[Power|recording himself performing feats of strength]], [[CWC Update!!!!! 27 March 2009|threatening his trolls]], or outright [[Kacey Call 9|exaggerating and/or lying about the sports he was proficient about]] in online dating sites or towards said gal-pals.<ref>[[Match.com#About me]]</ref> In the comics, Chris also often portrayed himself as a barrel-chested hero, and often times appeared muscular when he went shirtless.<ref>[[:File:CWCVictoryForIvy.jpg]]</ref> | |||
Despite all of of Chris's efforts, though, they were completely overshadowed by his penchant for crossdressing, something he was very defensive about. The earliest known instance of this recorded is with the "[[muscle bra]]". Chris has stated that all men should wear "muscle bras" to cover their chests by law, being uncomfortable with seeing the chest of a man. At the time, Chris appeared to refer to such coverings as a "muscle bra", due to the masculine connotation that came with it, not wanting to making it appear he's promoting men to wear women's clothes. Chris then bought himself one of these bras to control the bouncing of his moobs, and came to enjoy it. On 28 April 2011, [[Surfshack Tito]] also leaked a [[Tomgirl Pictures|set of photos]], which highlighted Chris's eventual gender transition. Even while the facade was on its last legs, Chris still tried to assure people that he was a heterosexual man who was just "in touch with his feminine side". | |||
Chris, after transitioning, has ironically become one of the things he once winced at the thought of. However, from doing this, his [[gender dysphoria]] became much more apparant, and he had an inverse perspective on his presentation, now wanting to eliminate all masculine traits of himself, including his penis. As stated earlier, Chris only appears to view those who have a vagina as "fully female", regardless of their chromosomes. This also seemed to be a driving force of his that led to him taking such [[Un-clit|drastic]] [[Self-inflicted taint wound|measures]] on himself, and expressing self-loathing on himself for being born male. Chris has also expressed interest in getting gender reassignment surgery on many occasions. | |||
==Trans Men== | |||
{{Quote|Would you date a transgender person?|Another question from OkCupid.<ref name=cupid></ref>}} | |||
{{Quote|As long as she was born female and was still female (or a tomboy)|Chris's answer.<ref name=cupid></ref>}} | |||
Overall, Chris has always had a much better relationship with trans men, even respecting their new identities and pronouns on practically all occasions. However, this could be because, even after transitioning, he viewed them as simply butch [[gal-pals]], showing the same possessive behaviors and entitlement towards them as he does with any gal-pal. | |||
Sometime in late 2014, when Chris was asked if he would date a transgender person, he replied that he would, only on the condition that they were biologically female, likely in reference to them being a trans man. When asked if he'd do the same to a trans man who got surgery, however, he denied this, stating having seen images of trans men getting gender reassignment surgery, not liking the results.<ref name=cupid></ref> | |||
{{quote|I have Image Googled females who went under the surgery; I did not like the results at all.|Chris}} | |||
Another prominent example of Chris showing this mindset is his interactions with the voice actor of Vinyl Scratch, [[Nowacking]]. Before Nowacking's transition, Chris replied to many of his tweets, especially when he started posting about dating on his Twitter. When talking with him, Chris went on long tangents about his online life, and his experiences with trolls and weens. Weens led by [[Michael Hirtes]] then tried to convince Nowacking to block Chris, which caused Chris to believe they were responsible for Nowacking blocking him. Chris continued to try contacting him through multiple sockpuppet accounts. Even after Nowacking's transition, Chris still tried to redeem himself in his eyes during [[BronyCon 2018]], presening him with comics and toys, to which he showed no interest to. Even after all of that, Chris still tries to keep contact with the voice actor to this day. | |||
Chris had shown similar attitudes towards the [[Teen Troon Squad]], a group of three trolls that Chris had befriended, two of which being trans men. During their interactions with Chris, Lukas talked about Chris's lack of boundaries around them being "rapey", mirroring his inappropriate advances towards some of his gal-pals.<ref>https://kiwifarms.st/threads/12-25-the-teen-troon-squad-reveals-themselves-say-theyre-behind-the-merge.51472/page-16#post-4172190 ([https://archive.is/wip/2YxoK archive])</ref> After they left him abruptly, he had shown bewilderment at this, and has since then tried to regain contact towards them as late as September 2019. | |||
==Shifting Stance on Trans People== | |||
[[File:Fight like a girl meme.jpg|thumb|Chris's Facebook profile picture in March 2017]] | |||
Nowadays, despite his far more obscure history with regards to trans people, Chris is widely known as a trans advocate, making many social media posts about the rights of trans people, and implementing trans characters in his comics. He's shown such sentiments since at least 2015, a year after he openly transitioned. On social media, Chris was noted for often times agreeing with prominent transgender figures. | |||
Before officially transitioning, when Chris had declared himself a tomgirl, his stance towards his characters being transgender also shifted more positively. The most prominent example of this being [[Robee Sonichu|Robee]] (formerly Robbie, now Roberta), who was initially written as being the youngest son of [[Sonichu]] and [[Rosechu]]. Chris decided to write an about Robee's transition in [[Sonichu 12]], making it the main focus of the story "To Be or Naught a Tomgirl", which showed his decision to do so during his childhood, his evolution, and eventual transition. He similarly made [[Cera Rosechu]] and [[Christine Rosechu]] into tomboys. He also showed his support to the trans community by starting up a new band, [[Robee Sonee and the Tomgirls]], consisting of the three of them. | |||
On 16 April 2015, Chris had found an article on a recent episode of {{w|Ellen DeGeneres}}' talk show that dealt with transgender rights. There, Chris states that trans people should use whatever bathrooms best aligns with their gender identities.<ref>[[April 2015 Facebook posts#A Dame in Deir Crap Shack]]</ref> | |||
Chris also follows LGBT News, which sometimes covers transgender-related topics. In May 2017, he commented on a post from them which linked to a theoretical article about a possible surgery for trans-women to become pregnant.<ref>[[May 2017 Facebook posts]]</ref> | |||
{{quote|Ah-Ha! I Knew it! I can eventually be a mother! :)}} | |||
In a 26 July 2017 tweet, during [[Pmurt|Donald Trump]]'s first presidency, Chris reacts to Trump's ban for trans people in the military, comparing Trump to Scrooge McDuck from DuckTales.<ref>[[July 2017 tweets#Reaction to Trump's transgender military ban]]</ref> | |||
{{quotebox|@realDonaldTrump How dare you Trump?! Quell your Phobias and Paranoias already! Cheapness is a Terrible Trait too. Invest Back into what you've taken from. 😠 | |||
Also, you will Never be as rich as Scrooge McDuck, because aside from the money, he Actually gets L💖ve And Respect from His Family & Friends}} | |||
[[File:7 November 2024 Caitlyn Jenner block.png|thumb|left|150px|A screenshot from Chris blocking Caitlyn]] | |||
Being a self-proclaimed "Lesbian Trans Woman", Trump's anti-trans policy would only naturally serve as being one of several things that made Chris despise him, even when a lot of his other policies during his first term didn't affect Chris personally. Chris had also blocked [[Caitlyn Jenner]], a transgender media personality and athlete, on 7 November 2024 due to her supporting Trump, who had around that time expressed plans to pass anti-trans legislature, and afterwards signed executive orders that affected transgender people at a much larger scale.<ref>[[November 2024 social media posts#Blocking Caitlyn Jenner]]</ref> | |||
Outside of Sonichu and Rosechu's children, Chris has gradually come to terms with Rosechu being depicted as a hermaphrodite, albeit somewhat hesitantly at first. This was ironically due to troll influence, primarily from the [[Idea Guys]]. On 6 December 2017, Chris confirmed that she was indeed, born male, and that she had gotten a sex change operation prior to the events of [[Sonichu 8]], allowing her to birth children. One of the Idea Guys explained how they were able to convince Chris of this.<ref name=ideaguy>[[Idea Guy Q&A#Rosechu is trans]]</ref> | |||
{{ | {{quote|I pretended to be both Sonichu and Rosechu, who borrowed my computer. All it took was a little knowledge on Sonichu and Chris believes he’s talking to his “children”. | ||
Basically Rosechu admitted it when she told Chris she evolved from a male Raichu.|Idea Guy<ref name=ideaguy></ref>}} | |||
Following this, Chris made a poll on Twitter, asking fans if Rosechu should remain a trans woman, or get retconned back to being a woman at birth.<ref>[[:File:Rosechu gender poll results.png]]</ref> More than half of the fans voted for Rosechu to be trans, which caused Chris to delete the poll.<ref>[[Idea Guy Q&A#Trolling Jessica Quinn, drawing of Chris fucking Sonichu]]</ref> Chris finally fully accepted Rosechu being trans, portraying her as such in [[Sonichu #0 HD]]. | |||
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Chris also appears to be on good terms with the transgender Twitch streamer [[Keffals]], infamous for her feud with the Kiwi Farms, which in itself used to be a site that focused solely on Chris. Keffals decided to get herself involved in Christory, likely with Chris reaching out to her. Chris's relationship with Keffals can be seen with the posts from him that have been uncovered in the [[Catboy Ranch]] [[Discord]] server, as well as [[Keffals videos|an interview]] that she had with Chris. | |||
On 5 February 2025, Chris had expressed favor towards trans women playing in women's sports, posting a GIF that promoted this on Twitter, and replying to a post that pointed out that Trump made it illegal.<ref>[[February 2025 social media posts#Transgenders in sports]]</ref><ref>[[February 2025 social media posts#Transgenders in sports now illegal]]</ref> | |||
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*[[Gender dysphoria]] | *[[Gender dysphoria]] | ||
*[[Homos]] - The term, but for gay men. | |||
*[[Pickle]] | *[[Pickle]] | ||
*[[Rosechu]] - A prominent example of Chris's experience with this former stressor. | *[[Rosechu]] - A prominent example of Chris's experience with this former stressor. | ||
*[[Tomboys And Tomgirls of Virginia]] | |||
*[[Transgender]] | *[[Transgender]] | ||
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“ | I truly feel that women should only be portrayed as they truly are individually; strong, powerful, smart, beautiful and equal as human beings. And when anyone draws a true woman with a dick, they have broken not only the legal law, but God and Jesus' law to the extent. But I digress. | ” |
Chris, on the Sonichu Girls website, expressing his disgust towards women being drawn with penises.[1] |
“ | There Was a time before I realized mine being a female soul trapped in a male-born body, when I was homophobic. But I became better aware of these kind and open-hearted people, and learned how understanding and compassionate they are, and with that, losing the homophobia, I felt more at peace with myself and those around me. | ” |
Chris after transitioning.[2] |
Hermaphroditism is the biological condition where an organism possesses reproductive organs and/or gametes of both sexes.[3] The term was also once used to refer to people who were intersex.
Chris, however, specifically applied the term "hermaphrodite" to refer to any person that he perceived as being "female" or of an ambiguous gender, but with a penis and secondary female sex characteristics (such as breasts). This included transgender women that hadn't received bottom surgery, as well as intersex people that he perceived as being female. In essence, Chris used the term the same way some people would refer to such people as "shemales", "dickgirls", or "futa".
Chris more often than not used the term as a pejorative towards trans women, under the fear that they too can make him gay, due to their supposed ability to subvert his straightness. During the Classic Era, Chris was also noted for being peeved by his female characters being portrayed as "hermaphrodites", being portrayed with penises or as trans women. For these reasons, the way Chris used the term can be thought of as the transgender equivalent of "homos". Chris has also used the term "homo", as well as "lady-man", as demeaning terms towards trans women that he he didn't deem authentic, and refused to respect the identities of.[4] These past attitudes of Chris's however, are far overshadowed amongst the CWCsphere by his recent, more vocal support for trans people on social media.
Chris similarly used the term "intersex" to refer to the same thing, but in a less derogatory manner, using the term on himself when he began transitioning,[5] as well as for the characters Rosechu and Sylvana, both of whom had penises at one point or another.
Understanding of Biological Sex
“ | Imagine you have a newborn child whose sex cannot be determined. A risk-free surgery performed immediately could provide normal male or female sexual and reproductive function. Which would you choose? | ” |
An actual question from Chris's OkCupid, asking him about a proposed intersex child.[6] |
“ | If a Hermaphrodite, I would raise it to be male regardless since it would not have any eggs anyway. Plus big bonus for (him) in sex with all women (lesbians included I would imagine). | ” |
Chris, answering by opposing the idea of giving his proposed kid a sex-change surgery, often misconstrued for Chris wanting to transition in order to attract lesbians.[6] |
The point at which Chris draws the line at someone being "male" or "female" appears to be based on a number of external traits which he notices about them, such as their "attractiveness" and what body parts they have.
Like with a lot of other things, Chris's understanding of trans and intersex people came from the media he's consumed. His initial understanding of such concepts mirrored those of many other people during the late 2000s and early 2010s. Chris had seemingly conflated transgenderism with intersexuality, believing that both terms referred to the same thing.
This is apparent when he called Bailey Jay a "hermaphrodite", and compared the discovery of her being transgender to scenes from "The Crying Game" and "The Cleveland Show" involving transgender characters, entailing that he believed that all trans people who identify as "women" were either just men in dresses (who he often times grouped together with the homos), or true and honest women that just happened to have a penis. Predictably, his measuring stick in this regard was seemingly based on how "pretty" he deemed them, or how much he liked them, much like with Bailey, who he admitted having conflicting feelings about, and even apologized to after she admitted to being hurt by Chris's comment. Inversely, he refused to show any sort of respect towards Francine's identity, calling her voice shrill, and making comments about how little she did in terms of transitioning.[7] Chris however, never applied this criteria to himself, deeming himself as a sort of paragon of femininity, depicting himself as such when he deemed himself a CPU Goddess, and boasting about his own transition milestones, despite many people noting he didn't look much different from how he did before.[7]
Chris however stated a couple times that if he were to have a "hermaphrodite" for a child, he'd raise them as a boy.[8] When asked about raising an intersex child, or a child "whose sex cannot be determined", he took this to be referring to his oddly specific definition of the term, saying that he'd also raise them as a boy for not having ovaries, even referring to them by he/him pronouns, in the hopes of them scoring all kinds of women (including lesbians), further indicating he also views biological sex through the lens of a person's genitals.[6] Chris also seems to deem trans women that do get surgery as "fully female", as evidenced by him referring to Rosechu and Sylvana as such after having their penises removed, giving further credence to this.
Despite this, Chris also believes that all bodies, regardless of them being "male" or "female", all have the same physiological functionalities under the correct circumstances, and that someone's sex can be easily changed. He, for example, believed that those with a penis can get pregnant, theorizing that it may be possible by his mate's egg winding up inside him, and getting fertilized by his sperm. Chris similarly proposed the idea that those that are born male may actually have a vagina inside of them, misconstruing the biological fact that human fetuses have "female" organs (such as nipples and developing vulvas) before getting a Y chromosome, leading to the second instance where he mutilated his own taint.[9] Chris had also shared two clickbait articles on Facebook, which stated that one's sex is merely what one is assigned with at birth, to which William Elliott Waterman pointed out was factually incorrect, sharing another article.[10] Chris also believed that trans women can get periods the same way that cis women do, as evidenced by a reply he had made towards the trans influencer LifeofBria, where she conflated getting period-like symptoms as a result of being on hormone replacement therapy with having a full-on period, a process primarily defined by the shedding of the uterine lining in preparing for a potential pregnancy.[11] Chris unequivocally agreed with this, stating his own mood swings were his "period".[12]
Terminology
Prior to transitioning, Chris has used a number of pejoratives to refer to trans people. As stated previously, Chris often grouped trans people together with the homos, particularly the ones that he refused to respect the identities of, and referred to them as such. This was because he viewed homosexual men through the stereotype of them being innately effeminate or flamboyant, and even cited them "forcing their flamboyancy" on other people after he had gotten discovered on Tomboys and Tomgirls of Virginia.[13] It was only natural then that Chris would also wind up using the term on people he strictly viewed as "effeminate men", leading to some degree of confusion on what he was referring to in some cases.
While exploring his gender identity, Chris navigated a linguistic minefield of transgender, transsexual, transvestite, intersex, bisexual, hermaphrodite, and his own tomgirl, leading to some confusion as he adapted and experimented. On his OKCupid profile, when asked, "Would you date a transgender person," he replied, "Yes, as long as she was born female and was still female (or a tomboy)."[6] He told Jackie that the fact that he loved wearing women’s clothing did not make him a “transvestite.”[14] He told gal-pal Rebeckah Bentley that the unclit made him “bisexual” when he meant intersex; he promptly flipped his shit when Rebeckah asked if he wanted to fuck dudes now.[15] Chris also used the term tranny to describe himself prior to actually committing to being transgender, which is a can of worms due to its association as a derogatory term against trans people.
Chris also appears to believe that intersexuality is a special condition involving ANY sort of gender non-conformity within a person, including being transgender or having one's genitals changed. As stated previously, Chris has also at a time used the terms "transgender" and "intersex" interchangeably, believing that they both mean the same thing. For example, Chris on several occasions referred to himself as "intersex", due to having a penis, but having a "lesbian soul", failing to understand that the term is explicitly used for individuals that have BOTH male and female gametes, which he doesn't have.
On 14 August 2014, he came out publicly, although as what exactly wasn’t certain, given his garbled and inconsistent vocabulary. The initial announcement was that he was "a Tomgirl, Intersex of Female Soul with Male Body, and a Tranny Cross-Dresser." Apparently unbeknownst to Chris, intersex is a chromosomal condition causing ambiguous genitalia and can present in many forms, none of which appear to be true of Chris. Then he said he was a "Lesbian Identified Man and a Cross-Dressing Tranny." Two weeks later he was telling Catherine that he was a "Lesbian tomgirl transgender male" but also "three-quarters woman." By September he seemed to have settled on "Lesbian Transgender (a Female, Lesbian Soul trapped in a male body)."[16] In April 2015, apparently no longer a "man," he changed his Facebook pronoun to "she" and his name to "Christine".[17] This month also saw the beginning of a flurry of Facebook "likes" for all sorts of progressive transgender issues, such as restroom choice and gay marriage. Whatever he was, he was certainly proud of it, and wasted no time trying to persuade his new L(G)BT personal army to wage war against local manajerks.
Pronouns
Chris tends to use the preferred pronouns of other transgender people that he likes, such as the MTF violet4151[18] and Miss Cherry, and the FTM Lukas of the Teen Troon Squad and Nowacking.
The exceptions to this occurred under troll manipulation, in the case of Jack Thaddeus, who he claimed would never be a part of "femdom" after getting a sex change, and when he flip-flopped between referring to the troll transwoman character Jeff Ouzuo with female and male pronouns.
Past Transphobia
“ | Perhaps you are actually a dude, or even worse, a hermaphrodite. | ” |
Chris questioning the authenticity of ShmionSonozaki.[19] |
During the Classic Era, similar to his attitudes towards the "homos", Chris has also shown an aversion towards trans people, particularly trans women, viewing them as something that could potentially subvert his straightness. Considering his distaste for being seen as a homo himself, as well as him expressing his longing for vagina, it would only make sense that at the time he'd be repulsed by the idea of a man being attracted to what he viewed as another man posing as a woman, or a woman having a penis, theories which Chris had proven correct many, many times. Also like with the homos, Chris believed that hermaphrodites had the ability and desire to make him gay, claiming that he even found the prospect of a woman who was seducing him being a hermaphrodite worse than if he was catfished by a man, as evidenced when he called out ShmionSonozaki, where he questioned if she was a "pretty woman", before bringing up the possibility of her being a man, or "worse", a hermaphrodite. Ironically, Chris had also stated that he'd rather get a sex change operation before ever becoming a homo,[20] which led to questioning from trolls.[21] Chris has also seemed to agree to the notion of transgender women being seen as authentic women, but was just discomforted by them.[22] This trait of his was exploited, and became a well-known means to troll him on several occasions, usually by depicting some of his female characters as transgender, or in one case, attempting to hook him up with a trans woman. Liquid Chris has even parodied Chris's use of the term "hermaphrodite" in one of his videos. [23]

A heavy target towards this method of trolling was the character Rosechu, who was depicted countless times by trolls as being born male, due to being designed with a male Raichu tail, putting the straightness of Sonichu himself into question. Trolls have noticed that all instances of this made Chris particularly angry.
When Chris had first discovered his ED page, and noticed Rosechu drawn with a penis, he tried to dispel the rumors of her being a gay man by creating an entire episode for the Sonichu comics, the infamous Episode 17. In that episode, Chris drew Rosechu naked on many occasions, putting great emphasis on the fact she had a vagina. This of course wouldn't stop trolls from continuing to troll Chris in this manner, making more art of Rosechu with the offending appendage, and declaring Rosechu as a trans symbol, in order to anger Chris further. Chris's insistence to the contrary had only made Rosechu having a pickle to become more of a meme amongst those aware of Chris's story.
Chris was manipulated by Sarah May to edit a drawing that he made with Rosechu wearing a strap-on dildo, changing it so that she had a penis instead, with Sarah claiming that he can get his website back if he did.[24] She lied. Chris has also received a number of replies in the Mailbag praising him for his supposed portrayal of Rosechu as a trans woman, leading to one of the most well known instances of Chris's wrath.
“ | And also, Rosechu has always been a woman! If you look on page three of book number one, it says right there that that Raichu was a girl! Quote unquote, GIRL. RAICHU! And Sonichu has been straight the whole time! He's always been straight! Rosechu's always been a woman...! [long pause] UUUUUURRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRGH!! | ” |
Chris[25] |
Despite Chris trying to claim that he always intended Rosechu to be born a girl Raichu, even slapping together a collage to try and claim she was born with a blunt tail, trolls have pointed the obvious out, seeing through Chris's obvious lie. Chris had deleted such comments that point this out, adding more suspicion.[26][27] Despite all efforts Chris had made to deny Rosechu being trans, one fan admitted the obvious, and told him that all he had to do is mention how in his world, this gender difference never existed, and Chris rolled with this.[28]
Chris also created the character Sylvana Rosechu, who was originally a female Rosechu that has the ability to shape shift. In Sonichu 8, Chris introduces the lore that Count Graduon had granted her her ability to shape shift under the condition she be born intersex, and loses her ability to give birth. From there, she was able to give herself a vagina or penis at will, often while seducing other characters. Trolls and observers have speculated that Chris gave her this ability as a way of symbolizing his frustration with all the times he's been catfished by trolls, especially when she "trolled" Chris in Sonichu 10, though this is conjecture at best. Chris said himself that trolls had "inspired" him to make her a "hermaphrodite",[29] that Count Graduon had "forced" Chris to make her have a penis under said troll influence, [30] and proclaimed he intended for Sylvana to be "all female" when she seduced him. This indicates that it is more likely he was manipulated in some way to make her like this, exploiting Chris's stressor. Chris said that Silvana was his least favorite character to work with for this reason,[30] and also stated that fans can draw her naked, just so long as she's drawn with a vagina.[31] The infamous drawing of Silvana masturbating was also created as a commission from Sarah May, bribing Chris to do it to get his website back.[24]
One of the most infamous examples of Chris's former transphobia was his encounter with the troll sweetheart Bailey Jay in the CWCipedia's Mailbag. There, the troll behind the Bailey persona had seemingly taken note of the other instances of Chris being catfished, and decided to put Chris's self-proclaimed "straightness" to the test. In the first message that she sent to Chris, Bailey claims that she had a hard time finding men to fall in love with.[32] After Chris replied, calling her "cute" and "pretty", she sent nude photos of herself to Chris, revealing she had a penis.[33]
“ | OH MY GOD!!! UGH!!! ARE YOU REALLY A HERMAPHRODITE?! I'm sorry, but that naughty picture just really shocked me and made me want to throw up. *deep breath* You do have a pretty face, but what happened just now is just like the movie, "The Crying Game", or the Thanksgiving episode of "The Cleveland Show". | ” |
Chris[33] |
Chris showed very conflicting feelings at the revelation, still calling Bailey "pretty", but also being unnerved at her being trans. Chris then apologized to Bailey when she expressed having her feelings hurt, and in the same post, Chris also rambles a couple of times about being "straight", as assigned by God, obviously being defensive about the previous comments he made towards her.[8]
Several other trolls took note of Chris's reaction to Bailey, as well as a portion of Sonichu 10, where Chris is seen getting "trolled" by Silvana by being seduced by her, disguised as Meg Griffin, and they began asking him more questions about "hermaphrodites" in future Mailbags, such as in Mailbag 37.[34] In Mailbag 39, another troll asked Chris if he had sex with Sylvana, who at the time was portrayed with a penis, and asked him he'd want to have sex with a "shemale".[35] Chris angrily replied that he never had sex with her, and that he'd never have sex with a hermaphrodite, proclaiming he had intentions of retconning her ability to become one.
“ | Second, to answer your questions. 1) No, I did not have sex with Silvana; ONLY MAKING OUT. When Silvana takes the form of an ALL-Female individual, its dick is GONE. 2) I would NEVER CARE to have sex with a Hermaphrodite. | ” |
Chris[35] |
In Mailbag 43, another troll suggests the idea of Bubbles Rosechu being a trans woman after she claimed she'd "hit that" following her name being changed to Kitty in the Asperchu interpretation of the Chaotic Combo. Chris had deleted this statement, and replaced it with two other ones, calling Alec Benson Leary's recreation of the characters "unapproved".[36]
Even after he began transitioning himself, and requesting that other people respect his new identity, Chris has still shown several instances of transphobia.
When he tried to "expose" Jack Thaddeus, he was tricked into believing that Jack was the lolcow Ahuviya Rotem Harel, who was also transgender. He used this fact as something to "expose him" for, as well as making fun of him for going through a sex change operation in order to chase after men.[37] Even after Chris wishes Jack luck with the operation, he also claims that he won't be a part of "femdom", and calls him a "homo".[38]
Chris also refers to trans women as "fake women", and uses the term "trannies" a couple of times,[note 1] in a 23 April 2014 conversation that he had with the troll gal-pal LoveYouLongTime. In the conversation, which is about his Love Quest and the the women he's chased and had to sort through, he still expresses the belief that these "trannies" still have the intention of chasing after men and making them gay.[39]
During his encounters with Francine Ouzuo, Chris was noted for several instances of gatekeeping. In one of the videos addressing them, Chris expressing feeling angry at her, declaring that she "is no woman", claiming they have no "female soul", and calling them by their "male" name for this reason..
“ | Anyway, pfft, aside from that [stress sighs, grunts] I'm really pissed off at Jeff. I'm going by the, his male name, because he is no woman. No female soul whatsoever, regardless, [places Amiibo off-camera once more] regardless of the fact of having his balls chopped up, [in falsetto] sounding like a high pitched choirboy now! [returns to normal voice, clears throat] | ” |
Chris[7] |
When Francine had been distributing unofficial Sonichu merchandise, and believing that Francine had created the fangame Christian Weston Chandler's Adult Chronicles, Chris tried doxing her, and called her a "lady-man".[4]
Defenses against his Effeminancy

Before his transition, Chris tried to maintain his "straightness" by acting like what he thought a stereotypical man acted like, showing insecurity of his more effeminate traits. Like a lot of other people at the time, Chris believed that him showcasing his femineity was a sign of him being "gay", and so took every possible opportunity while recording himself to subvert it by feigning masculinity.
When Chris was forced to admit that he was gay by a group of trolls, he held up an action figure of Optimus Prime, who he deemed as a symbol of masculinity, throughout the entire video.[40] Chris had also greatly exaggerated his physical prowess, usually to appear more powerful than his trolls or to impress his gal-pals. These attempts included him recording himself performing feats of strength, threatening his trolls, or outright exaggerating and/or lying about the sports he was proficient about in online dating sites or towards said gal-pals.[41] In the comics, Chris also often portrayed himself as a barrel-chested hero, and often times appeared muscular when he went shirtless.[42]
Despite all of of Chris's efforts, though, they were completely overshadowed by his penchant for crossdressing, something he was very defensive about. The earliest known instance of this recorded is with the "muscle bra". Chris has stated that all men should wear "muscle bras" to cover their chests by law, being uncomfortable with seeing the chest of a man. At the time, Chris appeared to refer to such coverings as a "muscle bra", due to the masculine connotation that came with it, not wanting to making it appear he's promoting men to wear women's clothes. Chris then bought himself one of these bras to control the bouncing of his moobs, and came to enjoy it. On 28 April 2011, Surfshack Tito also leaked a set of photos, which highlighted Chris's eventual gender transition. Even while the facade was on its last legs, Chris still tried to assure people that he was a heterosexual man who was just "in touch with his feminine side".
Chris, after transitioning, has ironically become one of the things he once winced at the thought of. However, from doing this, his gender dysphoria became much more apparant, and he had an inverse perspective on his presentation, now wanting to eliminate all masculine traits of himself, including his penis. As stated earlier, Chris only appears to view those who have a vagina as "fully female", regardless of their chromosomes. This also seemed to be a driving force of his that led to him taking such drastic measures on himself, and expressing self-loathing on himself for being born male. Chris has also expressed interest in getting gender reassignment surgery on many occasions.
Trans Men
“ | Would you date a transgender person? | ” |
Another question from OkCupid.[6] |
“ | As long as she was born female and was still female (or a tomboy) | ” |
Chris's answer.[6] |
Overall, Chris has always had a much better relationship with trans men, even respecting their new identities and pronouns on practically all occasions. However, this could be because, even after transitioning, he viewed them as simply butch gal-pals, showing the same possessive behaviors and entitlement towards them as he does with any gal-pal.
Sometime in late 2014, when Chris was asked if he would date a transgender person, he replied that he would, only on the condition that they were biologically female, likely in reference to them being a trans man. When asked if he'd do the same to a trans man who got surgery, however, he denied this, stating having seen images of trans men getting gender reassignment surgery, not liking the results.[6]
“ | I have Image Googled females who went under the surgery; I did not like the results at all. | ” |
Chris |
Another prominent example of Chris showing this mindset is his interactions with the voice actor of Vinyl Scratch, Nowacking. Before Nowacking's transition, Chris replied to many of his tweets, especially when he started posting about dating on his Twitter. When talking with him, Chris went on long tangents about his online life, and his experiences with trolls and weens. Weens led by Michael Hirtes then tried to convince Nowacking to block Chris, which caused Chris to believe they were responsible for Nowacking blocking him. Chris continued to try contacting him through multiple sockpuppet accounts. Even after Nowacking's transition, Chris still tried to redeem himself in his eyes during BronyCon 2018, presening him with comics and toys, to which he showed no interest to. Even after all of that, Chris still tries to keep contact with the voice actor to this day.
Chris had shown similar attitudes towards the Teen Troon Squad, a group of three trolls that Chris had befriended, two of which being trans men. During their interactions with Chris, Lukas talked about Chris's lack of boundaries around them being "rapey", mirroring his inappropriate advances towards some of his gal-pals.[43] After they left him abruptly, he had shown bewilderment at this, and has since then tried to regain contact towards them as late as September 2019.
Shifting Stance on Trans People
Nowadays, despite his far more obscure history with regards to trans people, Chris is widely known as a trans advocate, making many social media posts about the rights of trans people, and implementing trans characters in his comics. He's shown such sentiments since at least 2015, a year after he openly transitioned. On social media, Chris was noted for often times agreeing with prominent transgender figures.
Before officially transitioning, when Chris had declared himself a tomgirl, his stance towards his characters being transgender also shifted more positively. The most prominent example of this being Robee (formerly Robbie, now Roberta), who was initially written as being the youngest son of Sonichu and Rosechu. Chris decided to write an about Robee's transition in Sonichu 12, making it the main focus of the story "To Be or Naught a Tomgirl", which showed his decision to do so during his childhood, his evolution, and eventual transition. He similarly made Cera Rosechu and Christine Rosechu into tomboys. He also showed his support to the trans community by starting up a new band, Robee Sonee and the Tomgirls, consisting of the three of them.
On 16 April 2015, Chris had found an article on a recent episode of Ellen DeGeneres' talk show that dealt with transgender rights. There, Chris states that trans people should use whatever bathrooms best aligns with their gender identities.[44]
Chris also follows LGBT News, which sometimes covers transgender-related topics. In May 2017, he commented on a post from them which linked to a theoretical article about a possible surgery for trans-women to become pregnant.[45]
“ | Ah-Ha! I Knew it! I can eventually be a mother! :) | ” |
In a 26 July 2017 tweet, during Donald Trump's first presidency, Chris reacts to Trump's ban for trans people in the military, comparing Trump to Scrooge McDuck from DuckTales.[46]
@realDonaldTrump How dare you Trump?! Quell your Phobias and Paranoias already! Cheapness is a Terrible Trait too. Invest Back into what you've taken from. 😠
Also, you will Never be as rich as Scrooge McDuck, because aside from the money, he Actually gets L💖ve And Respect from His Family & Friends |
Being a self-proclaimed "Lesbian Trans Woman", Trump's anti-trans policy would only naturally serve as being one of several things that made Chris despise him, even when a lot of his other policies during his first term didn't affect Chris personally. Chris had also blocked Caitlyn Jenner, a transgender media personality and athlete, on 7 November 2024 due to her supporting Trump, who had around that time expressed plans to pass anti-trans legislature, and afterwards signed executive orders that affected transgender people at a much larger scale.[47]
Outside of Sonichu and Rosechu's children, Chris has gradually come to terms with Rosechu being depicted as a hermaphrodite, albeit somewhat hesitantly at first. This was ironically due to troll influence, primarily from the Idea Guys. On 6 December 2017, Chris confirmed that she was indeed, born male, and that she had gotten a sex change operation prior to the events of Sonichu 8, allowing her to birth children. One of the Idea Guys explained how they were able to convince Chris of this.[48]
“ | I pretended to be both Sonichu and Rosechu, who borrowed my computer. All it took was a little knowledge on Sonichu and Chris believes he’s talking to his “children”.
Basically Rosechu admitted it when she told Chris she evolved from a male Raichu. |
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Idea Guy[48] |
Following this, Chris made a poll on Twitter, asking fans if Rosechu should remain a trans woman, or get retconned back to being a woman at birth.[49] More than half of the fans voted for Rosechu to be trans, which caused Chris to delete the poll.[50] Chris finally fully accepted Rosechu being trans, portraying her as such in Sonichu #0 HD.
Chris also appears to be on good terms with the transgender Twitch streamer Keffals, infamous for her feud with the Kiwi Farms, which in itself used to be a site that focused solely on Chris. Keffals decided to get herself involved in Christory, likely with Chris reaching out to her. Chris's relationship with Keffals can be seen with the posts from him that have been uncovered in the Catboy Ranch Discord server, as well as an interview that she had with Chris.
On 5 February 2025, Chris had expressed favor towards trans women playing in women's sports, posting a GIF that promoted this on Twitter, and replying to a post that pointed out that Trump made it illegal.[51][52]
See Also
- Chris and gender
- Duck
- Gender dysphoria
- Homos - The term, but for gay men.
- Pickle
- Rosechu - A prominent example of Chris's experience with this former stressor.
- Tomboys And Tomgirls of Virginia
- Transgender
- Un-clit
Notes
- ↑ It should be noted that the term "tranny" wasn't universally recognized as a slur at the time, and instead a common term for trans people. This conversation was also before he openly transitioned, where he also referred to himself as a "tranny".
References
- ↑ Sonichu Girls#Your understanding me fukky (1 January 2009)
- ↑ January 2017 Facebook Posts#Open letter to Barron Trump
- ↑ Hermaphrodite
- ↑ 4.0 4.1 Doxing Jeff/Francine
- ↑ August 2014 Facebook Posts#Chris comes out... kinda
- ↑ 6.0 6.1 6.2 6.3 6.4 6.5 6.6 List of OkCupid Answers
- ↑ 7.0 7.1 7.2 I Am me; He is not
- ↑ 8.0 8.1 Mailbag 27#Is Chris hitting on Bailey Jay?
- ↑ Reddit#Can males be born with a hidden vagina (minus the uterus)? (3 July 2016)
- ↑ July 2016 Facebook posts#Sharing Clickbait Articles
- ↑ Menstrual cycle
- ↑ July 2018 social media posts#Chris's periods
- ↑ Tomboys And Tomgirls of Virginia#Re: Homosexuals
- ↑ Jackie E-mails 24
- ↑ Rebeckah Bentley E-mails#Introducing the un-clit
- ↑ August 2014 Facebook Posts#Chris comes out...kinda, August 2014 Facebook Posts#Flirt the skirt!, Catie Date Conversation Transcript#Understanding the whole tomgirl thing, and September 2014 Facebook Posts#Alright, Alright, NOW It's OK to Be Gay
- ↑ April 2015 Facebook posts#A new pronoun
- ↑ Oestrogel application and Vibrating Bra, How To
- ↑ CWC Calls Out Three Naïve YouTubers
- ↑ File:SchuComic9P39.jpg
- ↑ Mumble 6#On The Transgender Community
- ↑ IRC (03 January 2009)
- ↑ CChanSonichuCWC Videos, June-July 2009#ECV 00120 Christian Weston Chandler Threatens A TROLL, TO BACK OFF!!
- ↑ 24.0 24.1 Sarah May Skype Logs#Chris draws Rosechu with a dick
- ↑ 12 January 2010#Part 2
- ↑ Mailbag 45#Caught in a lie? Just delete the evidence
- ↑ Mailbag 51#ACCEPT THE FACTS and Lay Off
- ↑ Mailbag 51#Apologizing deeply
- ↑ Jackie Chat 2
- ↑ 30.0 30.1 Common Questions
- ↑ Sonichu Girls#I will also accept Fan Art for the Magazine from y'all. (14 January 2009)
- ↑ Mailbag 8#It's a trap
- ↑ 33.0 33.1 Mailbag 25#It's a trap, again!
- ↑ Mailbag 37#Meg Griffin: wicked shemale hedgehog
- ↑ 35.0 35.1 Mailbag 39#Shemales and man-tits
- ↑ Mailbag 43#Chris defends the makeovers
- ↑ Calling Out Jack Thaddius - Ahuviya
- ↑ Response to ADF
- ↑ LoveYouLongTime E-mails, 2013-2014#Lovequest - No Confidence
- ↑ Chris Comes Out of the Closet
- ↑ Match.com#About me
- ↑ File:CWCVictoryForIvy.jpg
- ↑ https://kiwifarms.st/threads/12-25-the-teen-troon-squad-reveals-themselves-say-theyre-behind-the-merge.51472/page-16#post-4172190 (archive)
- ↑ April 2015 Facebook posts#A Dame in Deir Crap Shack
- ↑ May 2017 Facebook posts
- ↑ July 2017 tweets#Reaction to Trump's transgender military ban
- ↑ November 2024 social media posts#Blocking Caitlyn Jenner
- ↑ 48.0 48.1 Idea Guy Q&A#Rosechu is trans
- ↑ File:Rosechu gender poll results.png
- ↑ Idea Guy Q&A#Trolling Jessica Quinn, drawing of Chris fucking Sonichu
- ↑ February 2025 social media posts#Transgenders in sports
- ↑ February 2025 social media posts#Transgenders in sports now illegal
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