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{{quote|Today two very handsome Young Men came to my house to Hand Deliver some Fan Art! I humbly accepted their Gifts, [[Chris and sexuality#Bisexuality|gave them Great Big Kisses (on the CHEEK)]] and sent them on their way!|Chris<ref name=kiss>https://tweetsave.com/cwcsonichu/status/997957259182227458</ref>}}
{{Infobox Person
|image = CopitzPFP.png
|name = Copitz
|gender = Male
|day      = 17
|month    = 1
|year    = 2001
|race = White
|nationality = [[American]]
}}


[[File:CWC with Copitz 1.jpg|thumb|200px|Chris meets Copitz and his friend.]]
'''Christian Opitz''',<ref>https://twitter.com/Copitz3/status/1218255646602211331 ([https://archive.fo/qVWAk archive])</ref> known by the username '''Copitz''' (born 17 January 2001),<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20220402160511/https://twitter.com/copitz3</ref> is a YouTuber and a speedrunner on [[Twitch]] who lives in [[Charlottesville]]. Starting in [[May 2018]], he began visiting Chris and recording videos of him and his friends chatting with Chris while visiting local areas. Copitz would also play a role in developing ''[[The Chris Chan Conspiracy]]'' docuseries, organizing a meet-up between TheGamerFromMars and Chris at [[14 Branchland Court|his home]].


'''Copitz''' is a [[ween]] who lives in [[Charlottesville]]. In [[May 2018]], he gifted Chris fanart and later recorded a video of him and his friend chatting with Chris.
==Initial Visit==
Copitz described himself as a big fan of Chris, and obsessively watched [[Chris Chan: A Comprehensive History]]. Upon realizing that he lived just 20 minutes away from him, he drew a batch of fanart and went with his friend Eric to Chris's house in [[May 2018]]. They rang the doorbell, gave the fanart, and took a picture with him. Chris gave both of them a kiss on the cheek, and then made a tweet about the interaction. Copitz also mentioned the possibility of them making a video together.


==Visit==
{{quotebox|Today two very handsome Young Men came to my house to Hand Deliver some Fan Art!
On 19 May 2018, Copitz and his friend went to Chris's house to give him fanart Copitz had drawn. Chris was overjoyed to meet them, kissing them on the cheek<ref name=kiss></ref>, which he thought they found flattering<ref>https://tweetsave.com/cwcsonichu/status/997967420575760384</ref>, and agreeing to do a video with them.


==Interview==
I humbly accepted their Gifts, gave them Great Big Kisses (on the CHEEK) and sent them on their way!


This took place on 26 May 2018, with the videos released a few days later.
I might even do a Video with them Sometime Soon! 🌈🌈<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20191108230701/https://twitter.com/cwcsonichu/status/997957259182227458</ref>}}


{{Infobox/video
After this interaction, Copitz signed up to [[Kiwi Farms]] and made a thread on the forum, not knowing that the forum largely has a negative opinion of Chris.<ref>https://kiwifarms.st/threads/i-met-chris-chan-today.43299/</ref>
| name          = A Chat with Christine Weston Chandler/Chris Chan
| video          = {{#ev:youtube|SopgLOXCcoE}}
| stardate      = 30 [[May 2018]]
| maker          = Copitz
| previous      = [[I Am Sick of the HATE!!! (I could use a break)]]
| next          = 
| subject        = }}


{{Infobox/video
{{quoteboxbrown|Chris Chan lives only 20 minutes away from me and I am a big fan, so I couldn't miss the opportunity to meet THE CWC. I drew some fan-art and drove to Chris's house with my friend, rang the doorbell, and was greeted by a friendly and familiar face. Chris took the art and let me take a picture of us, gave us a big kiss on the cheek and we we left. It was a very interesting experience to meet somebody so iconic.
| name          = Deleted Scenes - A Chat with Christine Weston Chandler/Chris Chan
| video          = {{#ev:youtube|QgRZgLGRb5g}}
| stardate      = 31 [[May 2018]]
| maker          = Copitz
| previous      =
| next          = 
| subject        = }}


==Transcript==
[[File:CWC with Copitz 1.jpg|200px]]}}
{{Transcription}}
'''0:00-'''


[''Techno music plays as text is shown on the screen'']
Kiwi Farms started insulting him for many reasons, including his appearance. Copitz decided to clarify his intentions.


A Chat With Christine Chandler
{{quoteboxbrown|Barb showed up to the door while we were talking to Chris, but we did not speak to her.<ref>https://kiwifarms.st/threads/i-met-chris-chan-today.43299/post-3373082</ref>}}
{{quoteboxbrown|Just to clear things up, I didn't have any intentions other than saying hi and asking if Chris wanted to make a video with me just for fun. Nothing else. I apologize that I did not make my intentions clear in the first place.<ref>https://kiwifarms.st/threads/i-met-chris-chan-today.43299/page-3#post-3373110</ref>}}


Filmed Saturday, 5/26/2018
===The Fanart===
<center>
<gallery>
File:CopitzFanArt1.jpg|
File:CopitzFanArt2.jpg
File:CopitzFanArt3.jpg
</gallery>
</center>


We accidentally lost the first bit of this footage, so that is why there is no intro here.
==Interview==
 
[[File:CWC with Copitz 2.jpg|thumb|200px|Chris with Copitz on the day of the interview]]
The only important thing that was lost was Christine indulging in some "[[For Julie's Eyes Only|JULAY]]" memes, believe it or not.
{{main|A Chat with Christine Weston Chandler/Chris Chan}}
 
That being said, enjoy the video!
 
'''0:11-1:42'''
 
<font color="blue">'''Chris'''</font color>: Ahh...[[Obesity|I-I tend to perspire easily]].
 
[''Chris fans his face and takes off his glasses'']
 
<font color="green">'''Copitz'''</font color>: Yeah...It is pretty hot today.  Maybe eighty degrees?
 
<font color="blue">'''Chris'''</font color>: Yeah. It's-[''wipes face''] mid-eighties right now.
 
<font color="green">'''Copitz'''</font color>: Mid-eighties?
 
<font color="red">'''Friend'''</font color>: This is really good.
 
<font color="green">'''Copitz'''</font color>: It's nice out.
 
<font color="red">'''Friend'''</font color>: It is nice out, yeah.
 
[''jump cut'']
 
<font color="green">'''Copitz'''</font color>: Y- you probably know about the, the [[Kiwi Farms]], right?
 
<font color="blue">'''Chris'''</font color>: Oh, yes.
 
<font color="green">'''Copitz'''</font color>: Yeah, yeah.
 
[''jump cut'']
 
<font color="green">'''Copitz'''</font color>: People probably, uh-[''jump cut''] replied to you on [[Twitter]] when you posted the picture of us, then I posted it on Kiwi Farms.
 
[''jump cut'']
 
<font color="green">'''Copitz'''</font color>: I didn't even know what the Kiwi Farms was, I w- I just thought like [''jump cut''] It was a place to maybe brag about my experience, you know, [Chris laughs] 'cause it was the first thing I thought of when I got home, but then I realized... that wasn't such a good idea and [<font color="blue">'''Chris'''</font color>: Mmm.] th- most of the people on the forums were telling me it wasn't a good idea either.
 
<font color="blue">'''Chris'''</font color>: Eeh.


<font color="green">'''Copitz'''</font color>: Um, but, you know-
Copitz started talking about his planned video in his KF thread.


<font color="blue">'''Chris'''</font color> (''interrupting''): I forgive you this time.
{{quoteboxbrown|The video I am hoping to make will just be us hanging out, going to McDonalds, and/or playing some video games - just something for fun, not making fun of Chris in any way.<ref>https://kiwifarms.st/threads/i-met-chris-chan-today.43299/post-3373216</ref>}}
{{quoteboxbrown|I definitely see why you say that. I appreciate you trying to be reasonable, but I am not planning on going any farther than us making a video together, and there's a small chance we would make more in the future if Chris would want to. But I have no intentions to do any livestreaming together or anything of the sort. Yes, I may see a marginal increase of views on my YouTube channel, but that is only somewhat of a side-benefit. Mostly I just thought it would be an iconic experience to meet and make a video with such a popular personality online, and I felt like it would be fun. Bragging here on kiwifarms was just the first thing I thought of when I got home, as I have seen this website before in relation with Chris, but I realize now that this was not the place to be posting, even though I probably would have ended up being posted on here by a third party anyway.<ref>https://kiwifarms.st/threads/i-met-chris-chan-today.43299/page-7#post-3373699</ref>}}


<font color="green">'''Copitz'''</font color>: Haha, thank you. [''jump cut''] A lot of them were-were afraid that I was like a [[ween]] and I was gonna be like, you remember [[BraveryJerk]]?
On 26 [[May 2018]], Copitz went with Lee and a group of other friends to interview Chris. Copitz posted it on [[Kiwi Farms]], where it was largely criticized for the lack of interesting questions asked, however this did not bother him. The video is most notable for firmly establishing the friendship between Copitz and Chris.


[''jump cut'']
==Ghost Hunting==
{{Main|Ghost Hunting with Chris Chan}}


<font color="blue">'''Chris'''</font color>: Ah, not sure.
During [[February 2019]], almost an year after their last interaction, Copitz, Lee, and a third friend all visited Chris to ghost hunt at the DeJarnette Center for Human Development in Staunton, Virginia. Not much actual ghost hunting happens in the video, and the four mostly just walk around and talk about ghosts and other topics. Copitz later complimented Chris on his empathy for the victims of Joseph DeJarnette, both on and off camera.  


<font color="green">'''Copitz'''</font color>: He was the, uh, the African-American fellow who interviewed you at the, uh, the, uh-
==The Chris Chan Conspiracy==
{{Main|The Chris Chan Conspiracy}}


<font color="blue">'''Chris'''</font color> (''interrupting''): Oh... oh, yeah, yeah. I did n- I did not know his offline name.
During [[December 2019]], Copitz was contacted by the YouTuber TheGamerFromMars, who wanted to interview Chris for his documentary series '[[The Chris Chan Conspiracy]]'. Copitz accepted, and contacted Chris to plan the interview with him. Eventually, GFM drove to [[14 Branchland Court]], and met up with Chris and Copitz. They walk with Chris in his backyard, play games with him in his room, walk around the neighborhood, go to a restaurant, before ending the video by chatting to Chris on his gazebo. Copitz later released a deleted scene on his YouTube channel.


<font color="green">'''Copitz'''</font color>: Okay- no, that is his online name, is BraveryJerk.
==Other Interactions==
[[File:CWC Copitz May 2019.jpg|thumb|200px|Copitz giving Chris a ride in [[May 2019]]]]
{{see also|Xleepy|Pappy Van Poodle Interview}}


<font color="blue">'''Chris'''</font color>: Online, offline, [''raspberry-like sound''], what did I say. I-[''Chris uses an extremely high-pitched and loud sing-song voice'']I kept sayin' words!!
Copitz is known to have invited Chris to his [[Discord]] server, however he never chatted.  


<font color="green">'''Copitz'''</font color>: How did you feel about the videos that he made?
On 3 [[May 2019]], Copitz accidentally ran into Chris at the downtown mall, who asked him for a ride. Copitz agreed to give Chris a ride, and also took a picture with him.<ref>[[:File:Copitz's Server - Copitz chats.png]]</ref>


[''jump cut'']
On 25 [[May 2019]], Copitz was contacted by the YouTuber Nick Robinson, who wanted to arrange an interview with Chris about the character Pappy Van Poodle from Rusty's Real Deal Baseball. Copitz agreed with this, and set up a video call with Chris and Nick, which was [[Pappy Van Poodle Interview|posted online]].


<font color="blue">'''Chris'''</font color>: Uh, it is what it is, I just m'let it go, I'm cool.
In [[February 2020]], Copitz's friend [[Xleepy]] reached out to him in order to arrange a meeting with Chris, which would be recorded and added to Xleepy's channel trailer. Copitz contacted Chris, and he made the video with Xleepy on 29 February. Copitz is seen sitting next to Chris while he showcases his psychic powers.  


<font color="green">'''Copitz'''</font color>: Yeah, yeah.
On 25 [[December 2022]], Copitz left a comment on [[Chris Chan: A Comprehensive History]] Episode 70,<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kw9OtvE0r6Q&t=781s&ab_channel=GenoSamuel2.1</ref> which featured his ghost hunting footage.  


[''jump cut, Chris is now leaning forwards, reaching for a cup of tea'']
{{quoteboxbrown|holy shit hahaha this is awesome. ngl it's so weird but cool to see myself in the Geno documentary after obsessively watching that very same documentary for hours upon hours prior to ever meeting Chris.


<font color="blue">'''Chris'''</font color>: Which tea is this again?
Thank you Geno for sharing my video with people! And I'm glad you found some use of it


<font color="red">'''Friend'''</font color>: It's called Iron [''unintelligible''].  It kinda tastes like, sweet, even without sugar.
Just a correction, February was when we filmed the Dejarnette video, about a month prior to uploading it, as I was running into issues with the PC I was using to edit


[''Chris laughs'']
I want to note how interesting I find what I interpret as - despite all of the things Chris has done which have hurt people - as a huge amount of empathy exhibited by Chris when it comes to the victims of Dejarnette. And the empathy they had for me during our video, with how kind they were. I will also say that from what I remember of our conversations 1-on-1 off camera, Chris was clearly far more interested in talking about me than about themself and trying to help me figure out issues in my life through what they believed to be their powers. Chris obviously has a very different view of the world from us all and it may help people wishing to understand them better to realize that despite the hurt a person may have caused in others, the reason behind their hurtful actions often comes from a desire to help both that person and themselves, yet the decision to do so can be warped by the only way they know how to understand things and a maladaptive level of empathy for themselves.


[''jump cut, the tea is now being poured into Chris' cup'']
This is why I truly hope Chris is finding happiness in the obviously inherently unhappy reality of prison through living within their own reality. And maybe some people can find empathy for Chris if they can see the empathy Chris has themselves, no matter how maladaptive.


<font color="blue">'''Chris'''</font color>: That's good.
Thanks again Geno! Hope you had a merry Christmas!}}
 
<font color="red">'''Friend'''</font color>: Oop, didn't get your hand, did I?
 
<font color="blue">'''Chris'''</font color>: Nah, you're cool. [''jump cut''] Ha, could've been hotter.
 
[''Copitz laughs'']
 
<font color="blue">'''Chris'''</font color>: Yeah, I like spicy things.
 
<font color="green">'''Copitz'''</font color>: Yeah, I like spicy th-
 
<font color="red">'''Friend'''</font color>: Hey, what's your favorite food, by the way?
 
<font color="blue">'''Chris'''</font color>: Mmm.  I like, uh, Mac and Cheese for longer time.
 
[''jump cut'']
 
<font color="green">'''Copitz'''</font color>: When you go- go out to eat at uh, at, at near [[Ruckersville]], where do you normally go, do you come down to [[Charlottesville]], or...
 
<font color="blue">'''Chris'''</font color>: Uh, yeah, kinda here 'n 'ere, I mean, [''jump cut''] I just feel like it's cheap to just name [[McDonald's]] all the time, or KFC, or Taco Bell, [<font color="green">'''Copitz'''</font color>: Yeah, yeah] but I tell you what-[<font color="green">'''Copitz'''</font color>: Those are cheap, though] if I like it good, I might get something good from the [''unintelligible''] Buffet.
 
<font color="green">'''Copitz'''</font color>: Oh, yeah, uh- that's down near where [[Toys "R" Us]] is, right?
 
<font color="blue">'''Chris'''</font color>: Yeah. [sigh] Stop the closing of the Toys "R" Us!
 
[''Copitz and friends mock-scream in dismay'']
 
<font color="green">'''Copitz'''</font color>: No! Not the Toys "R" Us!
 
[''jump cut'']
 
<font color="green">'''Copitz'''</font color>: You probably get a lot of your, your [[MLP]] stuff from [jump cut] Toys "R" Us, don't you?
 
<font color="blue">'''Chris'''</font color>: Yeah, but's it's like, a lot of it's available online now, everyone's buying online [<font color="green">'''Copitz'''</font color>: [''sucks teeth''] Yeah.] Maybe KB will make a return, just like I heard on, uh, kind of a, news thing I s- read about, few weeks ago.
 
[''jump cut'']
 
<font color="green">'''Copitz'''</font color>: Yeah, it might- you know, that would actually be a good idea because it could pick up the business that Toys "R" Us, um, [<font color="blue">'''Chris'''</font color>: Lost.] would have lost, yeah.
 
[''jump cut'']
 
<font color="blue">'''Chris'''</font color>(''to one of the friends''): It was pretty good, by the way.
 
<font color="purple">'''Friend 2'''</font color>: I know, I like it a lot.
 
[''jump cut'']
 
<font color="green">'''Copitz'''</font color>: I remember, I was here one time, and, and I, and I had a, I had a big, um, can of Monster Energy, and I tried combining it with the tea, but it just tasted like gross, warm Monster.
 
[''They all laugh'']
 
<font color="blue">'''Chris'''</font color>: They make a tea for Monster, Monster Tea.
 
<font color="purple">'''Friend 2'''</font color>: Oh, [''unintelligible''], I think it's called.
 
[''jump cut'']
 
<font color="green">'''Copitz'''</font color>: So you remember Eric [''Shows a picture of Eric on the screen''], my friend that, uh, that came to your house, right?
 
 
'''4:23-4:32'''
 
[''Copitz plays 5:02-5:10 from Chris' [[Animal Crossing Documentary]]'']
 
<font color="darkblue">'''2003 Chris'''</font color>: -moving on with the tour of my house. As you can see I've got- I'm collecting the NES games. I've got most of them down here, and I've got a couple upstairs.
 
==External links==
*[https://tweetsave.com/cwcsonichu/status/998016112745943041 The fanart Copitz gave Chris].


==See also==
==See also==
*[[Chris and journalism]]
*[[Copitz DMs]]
 
==References==
<references/>
 
{{FanChats}}
 


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Copitz
Information
Name Copitz
Date of birth (2001-01-17) January 17, 2001 (age 23)
Gender Male
Race White
Nationality American

Christian Opitz,[1] known by the username Copitz (born 17 January 2001),[2] is a YouTuber and a speedrunner on Twitch who lives in Charlottesville. Starting in May 2018, he began visiting Chris and recording videos of him and his friends chatting with Chris while visiting local areas. Copitz would also play a role in developing The Chris Chan Conspiracy docuseries, organizing a meet-up between TheGamerFromMars and Chris at his home.

Initial Visit

Copitz described himself as a big fan of Chris, and obsessively watched Chris Chan: A Comprehensive History. Upon realizing that he lived just 20 minutes away from him, he drew a batch of fanart and went with his friend Eric to Chris's house in May 2018. They rang the doorbell, gave the fanart, and took a picture with him. Chris gave both of them a kiss on the cheek, and then made a tweet about the interaction. Copitz also mentioned the possibility of them making a video together.

Today two very handsome Young Men came to my house to Hand Deliver some Fan Art!

I humbly accepted their Gifts, gave them Great Big Kisses (on the CHEEK) and sent them on their way!

I might even do a Video with them Sometime Soon! 🌈🌈[3]

After this interaction, Copitz signed up to Kiwi Farms and made a thread on the forum, not knowing that the forum largely has a negative opinion of Chris.[4]

Chris Chan lives only 20 minutes away from me and I am a big fan, so I couldn't miss the opportunity to meet THE CWC. I drew some fan-art and drove to Chris's house with my friend, rang the doorbell, and was greeted by a friendly and familiar face. Chris took the art and let me take a picture of us, gave us a big kiss on the cheek and we we left. It was a very interesting experience to meet somebody so iconic.

CWC with Copitz 1.jpg

Kiwi Farms started insulting him for many reasons, including his appearance. Copitz decided to clarify his intentions.

Barb showed up to the door while we were talking to Chris, but we did not speak to her.[5]
Just to clear things up, I didn't have any intentions other than saying hi and asking if Chris wanted to make a video with me just for fun. Nothing else. I apologize that I did not make my intentions clear in the first place.[6]

The Fanart

Interview

Chris with Copitz on the day of the interview
Main article: A Chat with Christine Weston Chandler/Chris Chan

Copitz started talking about his planned video in his KF thread.

The video I am hoping to make will just be us hanging out, going to McDonalds, and/or playing some video games - just something for fun, not making fun of Chris in any way.[7]
I definitely see why you say that. I appreciate you trying to be reasonable, but I am not planning on going any farther than us making a video together, and there's a small chance we would make more in the future if Chris would want to. But I have no intentions to do any livestreaming together or anything of the sort. Yes, I may see a marginal increase of views on my YouTube channel, but that is only somewhat of a side-benefit. Mostly I just thought it would be an iconic experience to meet and make a video with such a popular personality online, and I felt like it would be fun. Bragging here on kiwifarms was just the first thing I thought of when I got home, as I have seen this website before in relation with Chris, but I realize now that this was not the place to be posting, even though I probably would have ended up being posted on here by a third party anyway.[8]

On 26 May 2018, Copitz went with Lee and a group of other friends to interview Chris. Copitz posted it on Kiwi Farms, where it was largely criticized for the lack of interesting questions asked, however this did not bother him. The video is most notable for firmly establishing the friendship between Copitz and Chris.

Ghost Hunting

Main article: Ghost Hunting with Chris Chan

During February 2019, almost an year after their last interaction, Copitz, Lee, and a third friend all visited Chris to ghost hunt at the DeJarnette Center for Human Development in Staunton, Virginia. Not much actual ghost hunting happens in the video, and the four mostly just walk around and talk about ghosts and other topics. Copitz later complimented Chris on his empathy for the victims of Joseph DeJarnette, both on and off camera.

The Chris Chan Conspiracy

Main article: The Chris Chan Conspiracy

During December 2019, Copitz was contacted by the YouTuber TheGamerFromMars, who wanted to interview Chris for his documentary series 'The Chris Chan Conspiracy'. Copitz accepted, and contacted Chris to plan the interview with him. Eventually, GFM drove to 14 Branchland Court, and met up with Chris and Copitz. They walk with Chris in his backyard, play games with him in his room, walk around the neighborhood, go to a restaurant, before ending the video by chatting to Chris on his gazebo. Copitz later released a deleted scene on his YouTube channel.

Other Interactions

Copitz giving Chris a ride in May 2019

Copitz is known to have invited Chris to his Discord server, however he never chatted.

On 3 May 2019, Copitz accidentally ran into Chris at the downtown mall, who asked him for a ride. Copitz agreed to give Chris a ride, and also took a picture with him.[9]

On 25 May 2019, Copitz was contacted by the YouTuber Nick Robinson, who wanted to arrange an interview with Chris about the character Pappy Van Poodle from Rusty's Real Deal Baseball. Copitz agreed with this, and set up a video call with Chris and Nick, which was posted online.

In February 2020, Copitz's friend Xleepy reached out to him in order to arrange a meeting with Chris, which would be recorded and added to Xleepy's channel trailer. Copitz contacted Chris, and he made the video with Xleepy on 29 February. Copitz is seen sitting next to Chris while he showcases his psychic powers.

On 25 December 2022, Copitz left a comment on Chris Chan: A Comprehensive History Episode 70,[10] which featured his ghost hunting footage.

holy shit hahaha this is awesome. ngl it's so weird but cool to see myself in the Geno documentary after obsessively watching that very same documentary for hours upon hours prior to ever meeting Chris.

Thank you Geno for sharing my video with people! And I'm glad you found some use of it

Just a correction, February was when we filmed the Dejarnette video, about a month prior to uploading it, as I was running into issues with the PC I was using to edit

I want to note how interesting I find what I interpret as - despite all of the things Chris has done which have hurt people - as a huge amount of empathy exhibited by Chris when it comes to the victims of Dejarnette. And the empathy they had for me during our video, with how kind they were. I will also say that from what I remember of our conversations 1-on-1 off camera, Chris was clearly far more interested in talking about me than about themself and trying to help me figure out issues in my life through what they believed to be their powers. Chris obviously has a very different view of the world from us all and it may help people wishing to understand them better to realize that despite the hurt a person may have caused in others, the reason behind their hurtful actions often comes from a desire to help both that person and themselves, yet the decision to do so can be warped by the only way they know how to understand things and a maladaptive level of empathy for themselves.

This is why I truly hope Chris is finding happiness in the obviously inherently unhappy reality of prison through living within their own reality. And maybe some people can find empathy for Chris if they can see the empathy Chris has themselves, no matter how maladaptive.

Thanks again Geno! Hope you had a merry Christmas!

See also

References

    People

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