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'''LadyOfTheCosmo''' (nicknamed "'''Lady'''") is a | '''LadyOfTheCosmo''' (nicknamed "'''Lady'''") is a voice actress of the [[Planet Dolan]] Youtube channels, and one of [[DoopieDoOver|Doopie's]] closest friends. Fully aware of Ian's antics before and during the Doopie fiasco, she chastised him after he tweeted at her on 25 August 2017, in what has probably been Ian's biggest dose of [[reality]] since the [[Father Call]]. Later, Ian unfollowed her, and she blocked him. | ||
== Twitter == | == Twitter == | ||
Ian met Lady on 25 August, 2017, responding to a tweet about how she's tired and is about to go to sleep. | |||
{{quoteboxpurple|Okay, officially good night y'all, I'm so tired from the all nighter I did. I'll see you on the flipside, cheers to a good sleep!}} | {{quoteboxpurple|Okay, officially good night y'all, I'm so tired from the all nighter I did. I'll see you on the flipside, cheers to a good sleep!}} | ||
To which | To which Ian responded with this tweet: | ||
{{quotebox|Rest comfy and easy, dear!}} | {{quotebox|Rest comfy and easy, dear!}} | ||
This provoked a response from her, calling | This provoked a response from her, calling Ian out for his use of the word "dear": | ||
{{quoteboxpurple|Pardon me, I will not allow you address me as "dear" | {{quoteboxpurple|Pardon me, I will not allow you address me as "dear" | ||
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I'm not your "dear" & none of these other girls & artists involved with PD are either}} | I'm not your "dear" & none of these other girls & artists involved with PD are either}} | ||
Ian responded, with an image of a letter he wrote: | |||
{{quotebox|I apologize, but I meant the term neutrally, and I never meant anything from that.}} | {{quotebox|I apologize, but I meant the term neutrally, and I never meant anything from that.}} | ||
{{quotebox|And One More thing, [[ | {{quotebox|And One More thing, [[Ian and remorse|Darling]]!... Talluah Bankhead would be Insulted with your response to the term's neutral usage. Hmpf! | ||
[[File:OpenLetter.jpg|250px]]}} | [[File:OpenLetter.jpg|250px]]}} | ||
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Hmpf! | Hmpf! | ||
Iantine W. Chandler}} | |||
He later shared this in a different tweet: | He later shared this in a different tweet: | ||
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{{quotebox|I can use "Dear" and "Darling" Neutrally as Miss Talluah Bankhead before us. It's your disrespectful responses to my usage that irks me.}} | {{quotebox|I can use "Dear" and "Darling" Neutrally as Miss Talluah Bankhead before us. It's your disrespectful responses to my usage that irks me.}} | ||
Lady replied to | Lady replied to Ian's letter with screenshots of dictionary definitions of "dear" and "darling: | ||
{{quoteboxpurple|Those are not neutral words, and you know what? Two can play at that game, letter writing to try and get an easy way out. Look at this}} | {{quoteboxpurple|Those are not neutral words, and you know what? Two can play at that game, letter writing to try and get an easy way out. Look at this}} | ||
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{{quoteboxpurple|THESE ARE NOT NEUTRAL, you need someone to get that through your skull. You're not sorry, you're not sorry for the women you've horrified!}} | {{quoteboxpurple|THESE ARE NOT NEUTRAL, you need someone to get that through your skull. You're not sorry, you're not sorry for the women you've horrified!}} | ||
Ian angrily responded with a wall of 10 tweets. | |||
{{quotebox|Writing a short letter on the topic saves me multiple tweets; it was not an easy out, as I was not looking for an outlet to try to share my thoughts on the subject and put an ease on it. I Care about a lot of people, and I like a lot of people; [[ | {{quotebox|Writing a short letter on the topic saves me multiple tweets; it was not an easy out, as I was not looking for an outlet to try to share my thoughts on the subject and put an ease on it. I Care about a lot of people, and I like a lot of people; [[Ian and socialization|I do not harass]] others, and I certainly never intended to horrify anyone. I have a good and kind heart and soul, and I Have <s>felt about all I have</s> **Felt Bad about the people I have mistakenly hurt before, including the theoretical online exes of mine who turned out to be false. | ||
You are behaving like you do not understand how it feels to have been Trolled, Harassed and Bullied by the [[4-cent_garbage.com|4Chan Losers]], among which, over [[ | You are behaving like you do not understand how it feels to have been Trolled, Harassed and Bullied by the [[4-cent_garbage.com|4Chan Losers]], among which, over [[Ian and copyright|creating something]] that you've put all of your heart and Love into. And Sonichu and Rosechu, and the others there, are amongst those closest to my heart, my mother being the Closest! And those who have proved their sincere kindness to me also have a place in my heart and soul. Why must you act and (appear to be siding with the) hate(rs), and leave the terms as neutral? In the name of Honestly, Love and Kindness, I will defend myself and [[Curse-ye-ha-me-ha|punish you]], only if I feel need to. | ||
Don't make me feel need to.}} | Don't make me feel need to.}} | ||
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{{quoteboxpurple|There's a big difference between haters and the ones who serve sweet justice towards hooligans like you. You have NO heart}} | {{quoteboxpurple|There's a big difference between haters and the ones who serve sweet justice towards hooligans like you. You have NO heart}} | ||
{{quotebox|I am not a hooligan, and [[ | {{quotebox|I am not a hooligan, and [[Ian and kindness|I Do have heart!]]}} | ||
{{quoteboxpurple|If you did, you wouldn't even have the nerve to harass Doopie. You're selfish, and it's filled your heart with fatty layers of greed}} | {{quoteboxpurple|If you did, you wouldn't even have the nerve to harass Doopie. You're selfish, and it's filled your heart with fatty layers of greed}} | ||
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{{quoteboxpurple|Misunderstood?! You really aren't getting the point here kid, your intentions were clear right from the start. There's no hiding}} | {{quoteboxpurple|Misunderstood?! You really aren't getting the point here kid, your intentions were clear right from the start. There's no hiding}} | ||
{{quotebox|[[ | {{quotebox|[[Ian and his Ego|I am not selfish.]]}} | ||
{{quoteboxpurple|Then you would've been respective towards her, but no, you just had to keep going}} | {{quoteboxpurple|Then you would've been respective towards her, but no, you just had to keep going}} | ||
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{{quotebox|I had No facade. My smile is Genuine; Not Painted.}} | {{quotebox|I had No facade. My smile is Genuine; Not Painted.}} | ||
{{quoteboxpurple|You can say what you want | {{quoteboxpurple|You can say what you want Iantopher asshat, your actions make you who you are, if you cared you wouldn't continue what you're doing}} | ||
{{quotebox|I grow tired and weary from this dispute that You will not accept, open your heart, and Just Move Forward and On, Dear Darling.}} | {{quotebox|I grow tired and weary from this dispute that You will not accept, open your heart, and Just Move Forward and On, Dear Darling.}} | ||
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{{quoteboxpurple|[[A-Logging|You don't try not to be offensive, you love it. You love every second your offending women.]] If you wanted to be a women, youd respect them}} | {{quoteboxpurple|[[A-Logging|You don't try not to be offensive, you love it. You love every second your offending women.]] If you wanted to be a women, youd respect them}} | ||
{{quoteboxpurple|Hide all you want | {{quoteboxpurple|Hide all you want Iantopher, you can't run from this.}} | ||
A branch of the thread reads: | A branch of the thread reads: | ||
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===Fan responses=== | ===Fan responses=== | ||
An onlooker asked if Lady knew about | An onlooker asked if Lady knew about Ian's history of homophobia and racism. Ian later replied, stating that he had "Matured". | ||
{{quoteboxyellow|Remember back in the past when | {{quoteboxyellow|Remember back in the past when Ian Chan used to say he hated [[Homos|gay people]]?}} | ||
{{quoteboxpurple|Yeah, I've heard something like that from the long history of [[26 December 2014| | {{quoteboxpurple|Yeah, I've heard something like that from the long history of [[26 December 2014|Ian the Harasser]]}} | ||
{{quoteboxyellow|Not only that, but I believe there were a few moments recorded where he actually said the [[Niggos|n-word]] some times.}} | {{quoteboxyellow|Not only that, but I believe there were a few moments recorded where he actually said the [[Niggos|n-word]] some times.}} | ||
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That is rich, matured? You? Ha! Don't make me a bigger fool of yourself}} | That is rich, matured? You? Ha! Don't make me a bigger fool of yourself}} | ||
The same commenter presumably insulted | The same commenter presumably insulted Ian's age in a deleted tweet. Ian proceeded to bring up the names of his favorite voice actors, and claimed to be a "library of wisdom". | ||
{{quotebox|I may be old, but guess who else is older that y'all like; Betty White, Seth MacFarline, even Cathy W (Not saying exactly).}} | {{quotebox|I may be old, but guess who else is older that y'all like; Betty White, Seth MacFarline, even Cathy W (Not saying exactly).}} | ||
{{quoteboxpurple|I don't know any of those, they're ancient history | {{quoteboxpurple|I don't know any of those, they're ancient history Ian, just like you}} | ||
{{quotebox|Then you do not watch a lot of television or YouTube, because they are all still famous.}} | {{quotebox|Then you do not watch a lot of television or YouTube, because they are all still famous.}} | ||
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{{quotebox|Now, I am officially done for tonight. Goodnight.}} | {{quotebox|Now, I am officially done for tonight. Goodnight.}} | ||
{{quoteboxpurple|You should be done for good. Enough of your damn bullshit | {{quoteboxpurple|You should be done for good. Enough of your damn bullshit Ian, go to hell you bastard}} | ||
{{quoteboxpurple|I hope you go to hell and have to suffer through this again and again and again}} | {{quoteboxpurple|I hope you go to hell and have to suffer through this again and again and again}} | ||
Another fan advised | Another fan advised Ian to leave Lady alone. Lady replied, using male pronouns, to which Ian responded with "I am Woman". | ||
{{quoteboxyellow|Just leave her alone | {{quoteboxyellow|Just leave her alone Ian, you can't win.}} | ||
{{quoteboxpurple|He can kick and fight all he wants, but he knows he's already lost}} | {{quoteboxpurple|He can kick and fight all he wants, but he knows he's already lost}} | ||
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A fourth said: | A fourth said: | ||
{{quoteboxyellow|Dont Listen To Her Miss | {{quoteboxyellow|Dont Listen To Her Miss Iantine! If you wanna talk like a 90 year old grandma that calls everyone "dear" or "darling", that's your right!}} | ||
{{quoteboxpurple|Stay outta this, you don't know squat about what he's done}} | {{quoteboxpurple|Stay outta this, you don't know squat about what he's done}} | ||
A fifth pointed out how | A fifth pointed out how Ian doesn't respond to [[jerks]]: | ||
{{quoteboxyellow|Anyone else noticed that | {{quoteboxyellow|Anyone else noticed that Ian very, very rarely responds to any male's account? Check his History. It's been creeperstalking all the way.}} | ||
{{quoteboxpurple|There you have it, proof}} | {{quoteboxpurple|There you have it, proof}} | ||
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{{quoteboxpurple|I'm kinda tempted to. He won't ever be able to pay it with his allowance from his poor mother}} | {{quoteboxpurple|I'm kinda tempted to. He won't ever be able to pay it with his allowance from his poor mother}} | ||
{{quoteboxyellow|He supposedly gets [[Tugboat|monthly disability social security above $1000]] just for existing. [[ | {{quoteboxyellow|He supposedly gets [[Tugboat|monthly disability social security above $1000]] just for existing. [[Ian and money|It either goes to you, Legos, or debt collectors.]]}} | ||
Later, | Later, Ian unfollowed Lady. She decided to block him. | ||
{{quoteboxpurple|Good riddance that bastard unfollowed me. I couldn't stand him trying to drive himself up my ass}} | {{quoteboxpurple|Good riddance that bastard unfollowed me. I couldn't stand him trying to drive himself up my ass}} | ||
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{{quoteboxpurple|Nah, I blocked him}} | {{quoteboxpurple|Nah, I blocked him}} | ||
She also decided to explain her apparent [[A-Log]]ging in her final few tweets to | She also decided to explain her apparent [[A-Log]]ging in her final few tweets to Ian. | ||
{{quoteboxpurple|Just so y'all know when I have snapped when angry, is when I start cussing. So I've been calmly arguing until just the last few tweets}} | {{quoteboxpurple|Just so y'all know when I have snapped when angry, is when I start cussing. So I've been calmly arguing until just the last few tweets}} | ||
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=== Night Star === | === Night Star === | ||
After | After Ian had experienced quite enough [[Ian and stress|stress]] for one day, he decided to use his [[NightStar2891|Twitter sockpuppet]] to white knight himself once again. This is despite his having revealed that Night Star was controlled by him a week ago. | ||
{{quoteboxred|@CWCSonichu Y'all know what? Here is an example y'all Should Follow...}} | {{quoteboxred|@CWCSonichu Y'all know what? Here is an example y'all Should Follow...}} | ||
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{{quotebox|Of course, dear. I never mean to harass anyone; I am just misunderstood by some people. Ugh.}} | {{quotebox|Of course, dear. I never mean to harass anyone; I am just misunderstood by some people. Ugh.}} | ||
Ian attempted to justify this later. | |||
{{quotebox|I was showing an Example of how the terms should be accepted; I was aware of me talking with myself, but to Prove The Point, People!}} | {{quotebox|I was showing an Example of how the terms should be accepted; I was aware of me talking with myself, but to Prove The Point, People!}} |
Revision as of 06:36, 26 August 2017
“ | LAAAAAAAADDDDDDDDAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYY | ” |
Ian to Lady. |
LadyOfTheCosmo (nicknamed "Lady") is a voice actress of the Planet Dolan Youtube channels, and one of Doopie's closest friends. Fully aware of Ian's antics before and during the Doopie fiasco, she chastised him after he tweeted at her on 25 August 2017, in what has probably been Ian's biggest dose of reality since the Father Call. Later, Ian unfollowed her, and she blocked him.
Ian met Lady on 25 August, 2017, responding to a tweet about how she's tired and is about to go to sleep.
Okay, officially good night y'all, I'm so tired from the all nighter I did. I'll see you on the flipside, cheers to a good sleep! |
To which Ian responded with this tweet:
Rest comfy and easy, dear! |
This provoked a response from her, calling Ian out for his use of the word "dear":
Pardon me, I will not allow you address me as "dear"
I'm not your "dear" & none of these other girls & artists involved with PD are either |
Ian responded, with an image of a letter he wrote:
I apologize, but I meant the term neutrally, and I never meant anything from that. |
And One More thing, Darling!... Talluah Bankhead would be Insulted with your response to the term's neutral usage. Hmpf! |
Transcript |
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Open Letter: Something that grinds my gears is how people are Not accepting of the neutral terms "darling" or "dear". I use one or the other as a neutral addressing, inlieu of the various online nicknames, or actual names in general, when that detail is unknown, or when the other person is too distant to trust me, yet, on addressing them by their name. I Swear, if Tallulah Bankhead were alive today, she would never put up with such disrespectful responses. That is all for now, "Dahling." Hmpf! Iantine W. Chandler |
He later shared this in a different tweet:
I can use "Dear" and "Darling" Neutrally as Miss Talluah Bankhead before us. It's your disrespectful responses to my usage that irks me. |
Lady replied to Ian's letter with screenshots of dictionary definitions of "dear" and "darling:
Those are not neutral words, and you know what? Two can play at that game, letter writing to try and get an easy way out. Look at this |
THESE ARE NOT NEUTRAL, you need someone to get that through your skull. You're not sorry, you're not sorry for the women you've horrified! |
Ian angrily responded with a wall of 10 tweets.
Writing a short letter on the topic saves me multiple tweets; it was not an easy out, as I was not looking for an outlet to try to share my thoughts on the subject and put an ease on it. I Care about a lot of people, and I like a lot of people; I do not harass others, and I certainly never intended to horrify anyone. I have a good and kind heart and soul, and I Have You are behaving like you do not understand how it feels to have been Trolled, Harassed and Bullied by the 4Chan Losers, among which, over creating something that you've put all of your heart and Love into. And Sonichu and Rosechu, and the others there, are amongst those closest to my heart, my mother being the Closest! And those who have proved their sincere kindness to me also have a place in my heart and soul. Why must you act and (appear to be siding with the) hate(rs), and leave the terms as neutral? In the name of Honestly, Love and Kindness, I will defend myself and punish you, only if I feel need to. Don't make me feel need to. |
Lady responded to three separate tweets of his, sparking a tweet war between the two.
Tell me now, do those even look like "neutral" words? Those are words of endearment, only my hubby uses those for me and him alone |
Can i say that's a hell lotta bullshit falling out of your mouth right now, what ass did you stick your head up? Clearly your own |
There's a big difference between haters and the ones who serve sweet justice towards hooligans like you. You have NO heart |
I am not a hooligan, and I Do have heart! |
If you did, you wouldn't even have the nerve to harass Doopie. You're selfish, and it's filled your heart with fatty layers of greed |
I did not mean to harass her; my intentions were misunderstood, albeit I was impulsive, and I had apologized and repented for that. |
Misunderstood?! You really aren't getting the point here kid, your intentions were clear right from the start. There's no hiding |
I am not selfish. |
Then you would've been respective towards her, but no, you just had to keep going |
I meant to be respective, but obviously, I said the wrong things in grave error. |
Obviously?! You've fucked up bad, and none of us feel any pity for you |
I don't need this kind of misunderstood pity; I never was in any of this for infamy or fame! I will keep defending myself and showing you... |
Showing me what? What a horrible person you really are past your painted smile. I see past your façade, your actions reflect who you are |
...the Sincere Kind person that I Am! I have lots of music and love in my heart and soul! I will not be silenced. |
I had No facade. My smile is Genuine; Not Painted. |
You can say what you want Iantopher asshat, your actions make you who you are, if you cared you wouldn't continue what you're doing |
I grow tired and weary from this dispute that You will not accept, open your heart, and Just Move Forward and On, Dear Darling. |
Good Night. |
We're tired and weary because of you! I've tried and tried to help you to understand. I'm trying to be kind and patient despite your actions |
Then why did you speak ill against me if you were meaning to help? Kindness is appreciated; not hurtful tongue. |
I'm only doing it so you can see why we see you using these terms are non-neutral. For their definitions mean something completely different |
Did you not realize that I was addressing the terms to people I liked. Perhaps you've used a similar term to address another woman you liked |
"Like" you say too much bullshit. More like wanted to get up in our business old man |
I would never, especially to someone who's random on the internet. |
I may be modnar, but I try not to be offensive, and if I do, then I am sorry. I can not please Everyone. |
You don't try not to be offensive, you love it. You love every second your offending women. If you wanted to be a women, youd respect them |
Hide all you want Iantopher, you can't run from this. |
A branch of the thread reads:
You could do with dispelling the hatred and actually getting to know the people you speak against. |
I already know enough from you, everyone here knows what you've done to get yourself in this mess. I know it, these people know it |
I do not deny the mistakes I have made, and with that one tweet, my heart Was in the right place. To know me based on what the haters... |
...and trolls have spewed online is to not know me as the person that I actually am: Sincere, Kind, and Open-Hearted. |
Keep going, you're just digging yourself deeper into the mess you made for yourself. |
I'll keep digging until when people like you actually understand me and stop being so closed-hearted. Love Is Love! And I stand in its name! |
Love doesn't have room for harassment. I don't know what world you're living in, but you need a serious reality check to hit you in the face |
Takes one who really needs the Dream Check to recognize when someone needs a Reality Check. |
Fan responses
An onlooker asked if Lady knew about Ian's history of homophobia and racism. Ian later replied, stating that he had "Matured".
Remember back in the past when Ian Chan used to say he hated gay people? |
Yeah, I've heard something like that from the long history of Ian the Harasser |
Not only that, but I believe there were a few moments recorded where he actually said the n-word some times. |
I do not hate gay people; in fact, I actually have hugged a few men recently too. I Have Matured. |
HAHAHAHAHAHA IM CRYING
That is rich, matured? You? Ha! Don't make me a bigger fool of yourself |
The same commenter presumably insulted Ian's age in a deleted tweet. Ian proceeded to bring up the names of his favorite voice actors, and claimed to be a "library of wisdom".
I may be old, but guess who else is older that y'all like; Betty White, Seth MacFarline, even Cathy W (Not saying exactly). |
I don't know any of those, they're ancient history Ian, just like you |
Then you do not watch a lot of television or YouTube, because they are all still famous. |
#HotInCleveland, #FamilyGuy, #MyLittlePony |
I may be getting on in years, but I am a library of wisdom, and I have energy to love and live! |
You have no heart, and no life so that you feel the need to harass women on the internet. Yeah, your life was completely wasted |
I Have Heart! I Have Life! I do not harass people! I am not a waste of space. I Am Done With You now! Hope you have a nightmare tonight. |
Now, I am officially done for tonight. Goodnight. |
You should be done for good. Enough of your damn bullshit Ian, go to hell you bastard |
I hope you go to hell and have to suffer through this again and again and again |
Another fan advised Ian to leave Lady alone. Lady replied, using male pronouns, to which Ian responded with "I am Woman".
Just leave her alone Ian, you can't win. |
He can kick and fight all he wants, but he knows he's already lost |
Wrong Pronoun! I Am Woman, and I will kindly ask you to please address me as such. |
A third commented:
@LadyOfTheCosmo I am so sorry this has happened to you. |
Thank you for your concern for me, I'll be alright, I'm more so worried for the women artists and Voice Actors of PD like Doopie |
A fourth said:
Dont Listen To Her Miss Iantine! If you wanna talk like a 90 year old grandma that calls everyone "dear" or "darling", that's your right! |
Stay outta this, you don't know squat about what he's done |
A fifth pointed out how Ian doesn't respond to jerks:
Anyone else noticed that Ian very, very rarely responds to any male's account? Check his History. It's been creeperstalking all the way. |
There you have it, proof |
Aftermath
Lady later posted a tweet saying:
Hmph, people will never learn |
I know, right? Not sure what it takes to get through to some people. Sorry you had to go through that. |
It's alright, I'm gonna be a-okay! :)
Someone needs to give that guy a beating once and a while to show his darker side |
That's good. I can agree with that. Let's hope it helped. I hope you have a more peaceful rest of the evening/day. |
Additionally, a fan made a suggestion:
@LadyOfTheCosmo Have you considered commissioning being referred to by terms like "darling" and "dear?" I think one person will pay it. |
I'm kinda tempted to. He won't ever be able to pay it with his allowance from his poor mother |
He supposedly gets monthly disability social security above $1000 just for existing. It either goes to you, Legos, or debt collectors. |
Later, Ian unfollowed Lady. She decided to block him.
Good riddance that bastard unfollowed me. I couldn't stand him trying to drive himself up my ass |
He'll be back. He always does. |
Nah, I blocked him |
She also decided to explain her apparent A-Logging in her final few tweets to Ian.
Just so y'all know when I have snapped when angry, is when I start cussing. So I've been calmly arguing until just the last few tweets |
Damn! Who pissed off The Lady?! Who I gotta stab gurl? |
No one, for he past hour and a half or so, me and my team of justice have been getting at this pedophile for attacking Doopie |
Night Star
After Ian had experienced quite enough stress for one day, he decided to use his Twitter sockpuppet to white knight himself once again. This is despite his having revealed that Night Star was controlled by him a week ago.
@CWCSonichu Y'all know what? Here is an example y'all Should Follow... |
He then talked to himself using both his accounts in a bizarre series of tweets, calling himself "dear" and "darling" in the process.
@CWCSonichu I've heard you've been having a tough time with some haters. You don't deserve that, darling. |
Thank you, dear. I am relieved to hear your kindness. And with hearing the kind term, I feel grateful that at least you like me. |
That is so kind of you. And I can tell you like me too. And I know you mean that neutrally, and you would never do anything to harass me. |
Of course, dear. I never mean to harass anyone; I am just misunderstood by some people. Ugh. |
Ian attempted to justify this later.
I was showing an Example of how the terms should be accepted; I was aware of me talking with myself, but to Prove The Point, People! |
Lady was later alerted to the existence of the account by a fan.
have to at least mention it, hope you know about his sockpuppet account too (hope you're okay from even more of that btw) |
Do you know what it's called? |
@NightStar2891 , it even has his confession after everyone called him out on his bluff |
I thought that account looked fishy. Also, look on it, there's replies to himself XD |
lol I know, he was trying to white Knight himself at first but his grammar & capitalization gave it away |
Haha, this is so sad, he's depending on himself for support by using another's account. What a psycho |
welp, that's what we've know him as. Trying to find anything to make him look good but in the end: backfires |
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