Sachumo Interview

Sachumo is the creator of a documentary about Chris. He also conducted an interview with Chris on 21 October 2017.

Interview

Sachumo - Chatting With Chris Chan
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Intro (0:01:44-0:03:31)

Sachumo: Alright, here we go. Alright, we're gonna start real soon... okay. Can you hear me?

Chris: Yes, I can hear you. This mu-, uh, much better now.

Sachumo: There we go, fantastic, I'm glad we fixed it. Alright, I'm gonna do a little bit of an intro and just... all the people watching... welcome to the Sachumo livestream, I hope you all... uh... are... are... I hope you all enjoy this opportunity to come out and see what we're gonna be doing. Uh, right now, we're just going to have a little chat. I mean, this has been... a long time coming, don't you think?

Chris: Yeah.

Sachumo: Mm-hmm. A lot of people have wanted us to finally just talk and... you know what... just why not. We'll just talk. That's, that's what I wanted to do, you know.

Chris: Yeah.

Sachumo: Have some fun, um. Alright, it's hard to read the chat. There is a lot of people watching right now. Oh my god. Okay. I can't even read the chat. Okay. Uh. Alright, so we're here with the famous Christine Christian Chris-Chan Christopher Ricardo... Weston Chandler. (laughs) You have many names.

Chris: Hey everybody. (stress sigh) (laughs) Yeah. That... just go with my current one, I think.

Sachumo: Christine...

Chris: Hey everybody.

Sachumo: Yup... chat... chat is like usual, saying some very odd stuff. Um... Yep, I can never... I can never control them, no matter how hard I try, but you know... you know how the Internet is.

Chris:Yup, it's a little crazy.

Chris Chan Documentary and My Little Pony (0:03:31-0:10:18)

Sachumo: Mm-hmm. Yeah. So, for those of you who don't know, uh, but do know about Christine, I'm the creator of the Christian Weston Chandler documentary that was posted in 2015 I think? When I was around 15-16, I made it for a high school project... um... and... here we are almost three years later.

Chris: Yeah, about that.

Sachumo: Mm-hmm.

Chris: That's a good deal.

Sachumo: Mm-hmm.

Chris: I mean the documentary was, uh, good, at least the first 50-55 percent of it, and then it just kinda ended up cringeworthy to me, but, uh, I feel like, with my input and everything, we can... we can make it better. Make a better documentary.

Sachumo: Yeah, definitely. Um... yeah, if I like, assemble the crew or something, we got... if we got some funding, then you know... why not? Just do it... an interview for a day or two... and then we go home and I edit something together. But uh... it's nice to finally get to talk to you. Um... I've always imagined... what this would be like... and I never expected it... to be honest, because it, it... because eh... it's hard to describe... it's like... you've only heard about someone, but when you finally meet them, it's different than everything you'd expect.

Chris: Ha! I know, you're just like, "Whee!" in the mind, and so happy and so excited! But then you reali- but then you start calming down and realize, "Well, it's happening, it's good. It's a good thing. I'm calming down, this is finally happening, been waiting for this forever." And... it's all good, and everything.

Sachumo: Yeah... Exact- like when you meet, um... Did you ever meet Tara Strong?

Chris: No, I haven't had that pleasure yet.

Sachumo: Mm. Uh, I was trying to make a, uh... maybe a comparison but... when... when you meet someone you... you look up to, it... there... You realize they're people. You know? You don't see them as, like, these entertainers in the video. You see them... as people! Which really is a... an odd experience.

Chris: Yeah, actually we can- we can find a good comparison with that when I met uh... Kelly Sheridan and... Cathy Weseluck at the BronyCon last August.

Sachumo: Mm. I'm...

Chris: Oh, and, uh... when... and... and I met... and I got to listen to Cathy at her... panel before uh... getting her- before uh, getting her to autograph... my copy of Sonichu #0 on the inside cover.

Sachumo: Mm! You got her to autograph it!

Chris: [talking over Sachumo] And having- and having a picture taken, since... Uh, I had her do that since it's- she voices Spike as well as the May- as well as Mayor Mare and Coco Pommel. Uh, Spike loves his comic books!

Sachumo: Mhm. Mhm. I- I remember watching the show a little bit, when I was... I think, like, thirteen, back in 2011. I watched the first two seasons, 'cause I wa- Di- You remember when bronies were, like, the big thing, you know? They were really huge back then in 2011.

Chris: Still going on, bronies and pegasisters all alike.

Sachumo: Yeah, there's- there's still a lot of them, but, I remember, like, everybody [Chris's dog howls in the background.] in 2011 was a brony. Everyone. It's a pretty wild time.

Chris: Yeah. You know a fun fact about, uh, bronies in generation 1 My Little Pony, they were introduced in episode all in one herd, these male ponies, coming in, and then they all start saving the day of all the bullies to get possessed by something magical and, uh, deceptive carnival.

Sachumo: Mm. I- I...

Chris: So that- so... so that should- so that- should more accurately be where the term "bronies" come from, that ep- that classic G1 episode.

Sachumo: Mhm. Mhm. I think I remember that, um, I- I- I remember, my favorite character was the one with the rainbow tail? Um...

Chris: Hm.

Sachumo: I forgot her name. I know her name has rainbow in it...

Chris: (Sigh) It can't be Rain- I don't thi- I don't know if it's Rainbow Dash.

Sachumo: That's right! It's Rainbow Dash, that was my favorite character.

Chris: Oh, were you talking about G4? I'm talking about- I'm talking G1. So, you kinda skip-

Sachumo: Oh, G1. Yeah. Mhm. Well, that- that's more, uh, your era cuz- you were around when, uh, being a brony wasn't like, it wasn't like, the big thing it is now. It was- especially before the new show came out, you know what I mean?

Chris: Yeah. I was amongst the classics born 1982... and you've still got a lot of learning to go, young fella.

Sachumo: Yeah... I'm only 19 right now. Um...

Chris: Got a lot to learn, so much more wisdom to pick up for yourself, and share with others.

Sachumo: Mhm. Um... so... what- what was your- what was your favorite, uh, the new generation episode? Uh, just- just out of curiosity, cuz I think mine- mine was, uh, the one where they prepare for winter.

Chris: Winter wrap up, winter wrap up!

Sachumo: Mhm. Yeah, that one, that one. Mhm. What is- so what- what's, uh, what's your favorite episode? Cuz I- I- I- I got to check out the series again.

Chris: (Sigh) Yeah, you gotta catch up, we're up- we're- just finishing season seven right now... and the movie just came out earlier this month, the new movie... and you got the four Equestria girls movies, and the specials, and all the sh- music video shorts, and other not-music video shorts aside from that... you really gotta catch up!

Sachumo: Yeah, I've been watching, um, Avatar lately... Avatar: The Last Airbender. Have you- have you seen that?

Chris: I've heard of- I've heard of Avatar, I haven't really gotten much into it.

Sachumo: Mhm. It's pretty- it's pretty good. I've seen uh... the first season was kind of, uh, kind of underwhelming, because I guess- I guess it was like a kid- it was- at that time, when- when you start a pilot or a new show you can't- you can't really push the boundaries of the FCC, especially with kid shows... and then as the series went on it got a lot better. Right now I'm season three... it's- it's pretty good.

Chris: Okay, quite so... but anyway, my favorite, uh, My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic episode, I have a combina- I actually have two favorites, uh, my earlier favorite, uh, I'd have to give it to Slice of Life, which was episode one hundred.

Sachumo: Mhm.

Barb interrupts My Little Pony discussion (0:10:18-0:12:06)

Chris: It brought six of our favorite background ponies to the spotlight. Derpy and Dr. Hooves, and uh, Lyra and Bon Bon, and Octavia and Vinyl. (sigh) Would you excuse me just for a second? My mom wants me. What is it, mom? [Chris leaves to talk to Barb, their conversation unintelligible.]

Sachumo: Alright. I'll read the chat for now. "Don't talk about My Little Pony..." Um, we're just- we're just- we're just talking, I wanna, y'know... I wanna talk about what Chris wants to talk about, it's- it's not about... y'know... it's not about... the other stuff. Um.

Chris: Alright, I'm back. Sorry about that, my mom was calling down to me. I had- had to check on her... (sigh) but anyway...

Sachumo: Mhm. Yeah, how's your mom doing?

Chris: She's okay. She's, uh, she's going on- well, she just turned... I keep misremembering! Uh, she just turned 76 earlier this month.

Sachumo: 76. Wow.

Chris: Yeah, but anyway- anyway, I liked Slice of Life cuz not only- yeah, they brought the six background ponies, including my favorite, uh, Vinyl Scratch, or DJ Pon3 also known... I also like Octavia Melody, I definitely like Derpy Muffins. Derpy thy name is Muffins!

Sachumo: (laughs)

Chris: Yeah, but anyway- anyway, that was a good episode.

Sachumo: Yeah.

Chris: And, uh, I also, uh, did like, uh, the, uh, one that came up- brought up in season seven, we finally get introduced to Apple Jack's parents... Perfect Pear, there it is... but my favorite, uh, episode, I definitely- would definitely have to give it to, because it relates to me so much, and means a lot to so many people, Fame and Misfortune.

Hypothetical Sonichu animation (0:12:06-0:19:20)

Sachumo: Interesting. Someone just, uh- someone just asked, they wanted to do a... animated series on the first issue of Sonic- or I mean Sonichu, god... it- it- it's a tongue twister almost, um... Yeah, what do you think of, uh, what do you think about people making animations? Cuz I think that would be a good idea... Cuz Sonichu has-

Chris: Yeah!

Sachumo: -a lot of- of action that could be, y'know... cuz it- it's like two- two franchises that are both pretty awesome, action-packed, you got Pokémon and Sonic, and then- if- if you put them together it would be y'know, double- double the action.

Chris: Yeah, plus he has his actually- has his own life as, uh, expressed, uh, be- ever since- over the years in book 0... but yeah, I would definitely like to see a good animated series of Sonichu, um... Eventually, I mean- you can put it on YouTube and have somebody else temporarily voice Sonichu, and- or... Hm... I guess, you could let- you could- I- or I guess if, uh, I- I see the pilot of the animat- of the animated show and see that is was actually good to the source material, and full of the heart and love of passion, not just slapped-dashed together like Teen Titans Go.

Sachumo: Hm. You don't like that, do you?

Chris: I like- I like- I like Teen Titans... but, um, I kinda agree it's just, uh, not much, uh, soul put into the, uh, project... more like just a bunch of random jokes and gags it seems.

Sachumo: Mhm. Mhm. I used to really-

Chris: Yeah.

Sachumo: -like, uh, Teen Titans but I've heard- I've heard pretty bad things about the new- the new, uh- can- can you even call it a reboot? It's more like a butchering of the original show.

Chris: A deboot.

Sachumo: Yeah, a deboot.

Chris: Das Boot.

Sachumo: Das Boot, yeah.

Chris: (laughs) Das booted, ouch! You kicked me in the heinie!

Sachumo: (laughs) Would- would you let, um... oop, one second.

Chris: Uh, go ahead.

Sachumo: Uh, usually when I go silent it's cuz someone- uh, uh, ask a super chat question or something. Uh, someone asked, didn't you describe Sonichu's voice as like, uh, like yours but a little higher pitched? Is- is that true?

Chris: Yeah. Yeah, I would definitely say quite a bit, uh, for me to voice Sonichu, uh, give a moment I will have to get into character.

Sachumo: Yeah, so you've done this- you've done Sonichu before, like the voice.

Chris: [Chris does his Sonichu voice.] Well at least I done it in practice! This is me, I'm Sonichu, I zap to the extreme, and I'll zap Kel to the extreme if she puts Rosey in the PC box but she never will because she crushed the Pokéball Rosey was in, but Rosey was out of it... I misspoke on that one but it's okay, I'm not perfect I just keep on going, I'm running, I'm doing good, I'm a good dad to my Roberta, Sarah, and Christine, and they doing great, and I love my wife so much, even though ma- how- big she gets! I had a nightmare recently- I had the nightmare years ago as talked about in the recently released number twelve book! Awesome book! It's Christ- it's our Christine Chandler's love letter to the LGBTQ community, with so much, uh, going on from my kids as well, it's a really good book. If you wanna see how Sarah and Christine evolved, you'd have to watch- check out book eleven before that!

Sachumo: Mm. That was- see, I can imagine it like that, because you're so connected to Sonichu. Especially in the comics, you're kinda- it's almost like a- like a soul bond between each other. You know what I mean? And, um, not like a relationship-

Chris: Yes.

Sachumo: -but like you know, you guys... are close.

Chris: Yes. Psychic link.

Sachumo: Right, right, and... So I would imagine it's similar to your voice. But so- you know- I mean, why not voice it?

Chris: Yeah, I mean, plus I just gave you the example, you just- you might wanna play that back after, uh, having this thing fully recorded, uploaded later, like y'know, me as Sonichu just a moment ago and me normal right now.

Sachumo: Right, right.

Chris: Anyway, that's it- anyway, that's the big difference there. Uh, yes, uh, ever since the beginning when I came up with Sonichu on the fateful March 17, 2000, we had become psychically linked between the dimensions of, uh, where his por- where the- where the portion is where Cwcville will reside, um, ended up, uh, being more specifically located in Virginia, the North part, just opposite the, uh, Southern shore of Maryland.

Sachumo: Hm, okay. Um, someone just asked have you watched JoJo's Bizarre Adventure?

Chris: Uh, I have heard of it but I have not watched it.

Sachumo: It's a pretty good series, um.

Chris: I know- I know in Excel Saga- parodied JoJo.

Sachumo: Mhm. Mhm. Uh, yeah, I've seen it, uh, a little bit. I- I- I think it's an alright show, but there's a lot of iterations of it, um.

Chris: "Il Palazzo!"

Sachumo: Hm.

Chris: (chuckles) Not really. "I'll tell this world who's corrupt! And we must do what we can to seize and rule the world so we can make it a whole lot less corrupt. Are you with me, Excel?" "Yes, Il Palazzo, I am!"

Sachumo: (laughs) Someone just said that this day is more historic than the fall of the Berlin Wall.

Chris: Oh dear.

Sachumo: (laughs) Yeah, I- this is- this is something people have talked to me about for a long time. I'm- I'm sure people have asked you about it, uh, you know, over the years to watch the- the movie, but... I- I- it's- it's gotten almost like, uh, a joke now of how- how much people ask me to get your opinion on it, and when it's finally happened, people don't know what to do with it! They're like "Please, we wanna hear his reaction!" and then, um, and then once that's over, it just- it- it just- it doesn't fulminate into anything. Like, uh, they wanna hear Christine, they wanna hear what you have to think, and it just- it just ends up being... what's the word? Uh...

Chris: It's eh, it ends up being, uh, you're finally satisfied but because it's over you held onto the expectation for such a long time, you lose the expectation because it's done and over with, you're like "Eh!"

Sachumo: Yeah, exactly! Cuz, it- it- they expects- they expect it to be this momentous thing, we finally get to talk, and what do we talk about? My Little Pony. I mean, why not. It's fun. Y'know, I don't wanna, you know, interrogate you.

Chris: Yeah, we're having fun.

Sachumo: Yeah.

Chris: We're doing good, this is okay.

Sonichu lore (0:19:20-0:25:24)

Sachumo: Someone asked me, um, what my favorite character of Sonichu was, and... that's a good question. I think I liked, um, uh, Mary Lee Walsh mostly. Uh, just because- you know, people have criticized you over the years of- of, kind of interjecting your own personal life into the comic, but I kind of think that's cool because it's- it's in a way it's taking your life and making it this big action adventure, you know?

Chris: (sigh) Yes, plus we didn't- plus, uh, when I started- when I started the book series I originally did not have much to go on in the character range. I mean essentially when I started book 0 all I had was Sonichu, Rosechu, and Blake, and myself, and even Naitsirhc, and, uh, I ended up bringing Slaweel Ryam into the mix... and finally coming up with the whole- with the differing villain character Count Graduon. The entity and soul has been trapped in that spear for many, many a year, encapsulated there by the Cherokees after having- after having been possessing, and- and archeologists who uncovered the orb when it was- covered in his soul from a different encapsulation when it was- when he was in England, back during the castle days... and before he- before his soul was put into there after he was beheaded, he was the dark magician! He could never feel love! And there is a word I learned recently about that, which I'll tell y'all in just a moment, but yeah he could never feel love, and he can- he just- and all he could feel was neutral or hatred, eh, I mean, he could identify love from other people but it's like he could never feel it for himself... but- and of course, he was like "Okay, well if I can't feel love, then nobody else will either!" and that's essentially the premise of why the bad guys wanna make finding true love and all that illegal in Virginia and worldwide.

Sachumo: Mhm. Mhm.

Chris: (sigh) Typical villainy. Anyway, yes, uh, as I have learned from, uh, Super Planet Dolan, their upcoming episode, which I got to see early on, uh, Patreon, apparently there is a mental condition that- or personality type portion that make- that makes people not be able to experience love. It's called alexithymia.

Sachumo: Mm.

Chris: A-L... uh, let me type that up here... A-L-E-X-I-T-H-Y-M-I-A.

Sachumo: Ales-hymia?

Chris: Alexithymia.

Sachumo: I think I have a friend with that condition. Her name's, uh, uh, Margaret. Um, yeah that's- that kinda sounds like her.

Chris: Yeah but anyways, essentially it's an ili- in- in- inability to identify, express, or understand feelings.

Sachumo: Mhm.

Chris: And- and it's- and sometimes it's, uh, rela- it- it's associated with a range of psychological orders, um, though, I- I mean just to name a few they did, but, uh, just to note here, Graduon is not autistic. That's one of the things there.

Sachumo: Mhm.

Chris: And it's also associated with depression and schizophrenia.

Sachumo: Right. Um, so it would- it's similar to autism, but different... in- in a way.

Chris: Yeah. Yeah but anyway that answers the question, "What has Graduon been suffering from?"

Sachumo: Mhm. Okay, um...

Chris: Back in the ear- back in the 1500s he was suffering, and up to now he still suffers from alexithymia.

Sachumo: Mm. So there's a little backstory for the viewers.

Chris: A further backst- a further backstory detail.

Sachumo: Mhm. See, we're learning things about Sonichu that we never thought we'd learn.

Chris: Or at least just learned a bit about Graduon.

Sachumo: Mhm. But, in the- I mean Sonichu universe.

Chris: Yeah, you'll definitely learn more about Graduon when I get to drawing book 14, after I finish up with my current project 12-9 special, talk about OC MLP character, hers- backstory and everything, Ms. Night Star.

Sachumo: Mm. Okay.

Chris: She- she can view and traverse other dimensions, and she has- all the- she has all the psychic powers, which she still is not- she still is not perfect because, uh, [Dogs howl in the background.] between the mental link that she and I shared as well, she suffers from a- she suffers from- she suffered from a touch of autism... and there go my dogs barking at something that's happening across the street. You can probably hear them now.

Sachumo: Yeah, it's okay. I mean, y'know, that's what dogs do.

Chris: [Chris imitates the howl noise.]

Sachumo: Um, okay... so- you have, uh, you have cats and dogs? Does that- I- I thought that doesn't, y'know, it's, uh, old, old saying, it doesn't mix? Do- or do they get along?

Chris: Uh, well- they- they get- they get along fairly well. Um, yeah, we have two Eagle Hounds, three- three cats inside, and 2-3 cats outside.

Sachumo: Mm. Okay, um, so- that's interesting, because I've never, about the- the similar to autism, cuz I always- I've always- I noticed, um, working in- in the field, I've done- I've done a little bit of, uh, of work with special needs children, and I've noticed that any time something's like... different about someone, they just kind of... blanket term them and put them into the autistic spectrum when really that's not always the case. It- I guess- I'm- I'm not sure why they do that.

Sexuality and political correctness (0:25:24-)

Chris: (sigh) Yeah, I don't know why, it's just some- I don't know, it's stereotyping or something... but yeah, that's just- that's just stereotyping, mislabeling... um, yeah, you don't wanna just mislabel anybody like that, that's not cool. It's just like, uh, labeling somebody as gay when they were not at the time... and then- unless something develops in where apparently that- where apparently in a way that did become true. I mean, ended up being true for me except I'm lesbian.

Sachumo: So you're, uh, uh, a trans lesbian.

Chris: Yes, I'm a lesbian transwoman.

Sachumo: Okay, there we go... um, okay, one second, uh...

Chris: There go my dogs again.

Sachumo: So, a trans lesbian, that's- that's not very common. Have you- have you met other people like that, or- or- or is it just unique to you?

Chris: Yeah, I met, uh, I actually found a, uh, transgender support group and I have a trans friend at the, uh, Pokémon league, not mentioning her name. Uh, but yeah, there's- there... actually a number of them out of the group, and counting my friends at- at the league, where... they actually still prefer women over men.

Sachumo: Mhm.

Chris: I mean, it's just a personal choice. It has nothing to do with, uh, them personally. I mean, y'know, will still be friends with, uh, all genders and colors regardless...

Sachumo: Right.

Chris: It's just our- it- it's just our internal preference. Our own individual preference.

Sachumo: There's- there's no shame in it. I mean, it's 2017, you can be whatever you want. Um, maybe certain parts of the country will judge you but... those are usually the minorities... of- of- the minority opinion, y'know. It's not what everyone thinks.

Chris: Yep, we're overtak- overtaking the popular flow. We are more powerful than the min- we are more powerful than those that oppressed us, which are now- which they are the minority.

Sachumo: Hm. Right. So- so, okay. Do- do these, uh- not- not to get any personal information about them but, so- do they- are they into the things you like or is it, um, or is it just you just hang out because of the similarity that you share?

Chris: Uh, well, I would say, uh, hang out towar- cuz the similarity, but in general, they are, uh- in general they are good people, and I'm a good person... I keep an open heart, uh, for- for people that I, y'know, people I like and care about, and new people, as long as they, uh, don't offend and essentially aren't- ba- aren't bad, y'know.

Sachumo: Mhm. Sometimes you can't help offending people, cuz there's just people that really wanna go around getting offended, but, if you can- if- if you- if- if you can help it, then y'know, at least try not to offend people. Cuz I- I do that a lot on my channel, but it's mostly just- people don't understand I'm doing it as like a joke. Like, I say pretty, uh, silly things that are just so out there that it's amazing how people can think that I actually think that.

Chris: Yeah, it just depend- it's- always depends on perception and you'll end up, uh, getting mixed responses... in that sense. So. it's just more advisable to be more cautious.

Sachumo: Mhm. See, I- I've- I've kind of made my, uh- with- with the Chris-Chan documentary, I- after that I kind of went into more edgy comedy, which really, uh- I kinda liked doing but you do get bored of just saying really horrific things all the time, because then when you say things enough they kinda lose their- their- their gusto, their value. Y'know?

Chris: Yeah, like the episode of South Park, of, uh, too many shits.

Sachumo: Shits.

Chris: They said the word too many times. More than a hundred.

Sachumo: Oh yeah. Mhm. Mhm. Or the one where they had, uh, uh, people on Harley-Davidsons and they were calling them faggots... and- and they- they went all the way to like the Supreme Court and when- to like get the word changed. Do you like South Park?

Chris: Yeah, I've watched, uh, most of the series, I haven't watched it in a few years. Uh, I'm afraid I haven't seen that one with the Harleys you just mentioned. That might've been a later season episode.

Sachumo: Yeah, it was a while ago. Um...

Chris: I de- I definitely have heard though that the principal of the school had changed... and there's this like tough dude with glasses now... sunglasses.

Sachumo: Um, yeah, he's- it's like- he's called PC principal, I think that's his name. Uh, yeah, they changed the- the, uh- someone in chat correct me if I'm wrong, they changed the principal to a new person and he's like muscled out and he's worried about, uh, like new wave, uh, issues I think that go on in- in the country that people worry about now, like offending people, and not being racist and things like that, so it- it- it's a pretty interesting turn what, uh, South Park is make- making, or doing at least.

Chris: Yeah.

Sachumo: Definitely a good show.

Chris: Although, it can- although- although it still can offend some people.

Sachumo: Yeah, I mean, you can't- you can't please everyone. I think you know that too. You can try, but you can't make everyone happy. You know?

Chris: Yeah. You're just better off appreciating the ones you can make laugh.

Sachumo: Mhm. Yeah. Uh, reading the chat... let's just uh...

Chris: Reading the chat!

Sachumo: Yeah, it's just wow... it is just a... a mess. The chat is always a mess. Talk about offending people, if people want to get offended, read the chat. Oh my god!

Chris: (laughs)

Sachumo: Oh, this is a ... this a good, uh, question... or something I've always wondered about. Have you, uh... Do you know who Oney is? From Oney Cartoons?

Chris: Um, no.

Sachumo: He's like, uh, an animator who talks about you a lot, uh... or talks about your history more because when people say they talk about Chris Chan, I'm doing that in quotes, uh... or Chris Chan, they think like, uh, you know, that- that guy in 2011 who wore a striped shirt. But, they really don't, uh... they don't see- they don't see the- the- the actual you, which is the new, you know, the trans lesbian after the transformation into this, uh, into this woman, you know?

Chris: Yeah.

Sachumo: I think it's just cuz, um, people see it as- as- that's like, when they think Chris Chan, they think of that. You know? Do you have any problem with people thinking of you that way?

Chris: Um... no because they might not have, uh, been informed about my updates since, uh, as early as, you know, let's say 2011...

Sachumo: Yeah.

Chris: And uh... and... they just- they just need a little update in their noggins, let them know all this happened. And I am who I am... I still am the person I was, except I'm much happier now.

See also

• Chris and journalism

    Chats and calls

⇐ Re-enactment - Gingers Have Souls

Chris's videos

CopperCab interview ⇒