Idea Guys

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Joshua Wise
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Name	Joshua Wise
Also known as	Ballzymaker94 John Yamada
Date of Birth	22 August 1994 (age 30)
Gender	Male
Nationality	American
Race	White

Stephen Boyd
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Name	Stephen Boyd
Also known as	NinFreakLan Gwen Mikoto
Date of Birth	5 February 1993 (age 31)
Gender	Male
Nationality	American

The Idea Guys were a group of trolls who influenced Chris to add politically incorrect themes and historical references, Internet memes and false rumors into his comic, social media posts, and videos. Their aim was likely to see how gullible Chris was, and how little he understands about the world, though Chris's participation may not have been completely voluntary. Chris's interactions with Wise started when he informed Chris that the characters from Hyperdimension Neptunia were invading CWCville.

Initially thought to be the act of just Joshua Wise, in May 2018 Chris suggested that there may be more than one Idea Guy. Stephen Boyd, as well as perhaps two other people, were found to be working with Joshua.

The Idea Guys were removed from power around May 2018. Chris stated that he has "very Powerful Allies helping to rectify the situation. I can't say much other than certain people should be Very Frightened right now!".

Due their tactics including gaslighting Chris, threatening to falsely claim he was a pedophile to the FBI, and extorting him out of thousands, the Idea Guys are some of the most controversial figures in Christory, perhaps moreso than even BlueSpike.

Identity

For months, fans wondered about their identities and fictional bio, as Chris did not disclose that he was in contact with a source. On 22 January 2018, moderators at Kiwi Farms decided to dox the user known as Ballzymaker94 for one of the Idea Guys.

With Idea Guy's doxing, Kiwi Farms users also found posts from his accounts there and on Reddit white knighting the Idea Guy from criticism and trying to publicize Chris's Idea Guy content in other communities.

On 11 July 2018, Kiwi Farms owner Null revealed three more Idea Guys. One of them was Stephen Boyd, who went by the name of NinFreakLan on Kiwi Farms as users would later discover. As for the last two, Null kept their identities secret, only revealing that one of them was Canadian.

Behind the scenes

A sample of the fake news Wise used to convince Chris.

While under Wise's control, Chris himself kept quiet about the situation, never implying that anyone was taking control of him. However, the many references that he did not understand were a clear sign of external influence. There were also signs that Chris was coerced or duped into using Wise's ideas, as he appeared uncomfortable in Wise-inspired videos and is often alarmed by the troll's "revelations" about Chris's fictional world.

Some believed that the Idea Guy simply paid Chris. However, fans quickly determined that this was unlikely. The closest anyone came to paying Chris to influence CWCville was when Waterman paid him $100 to feature his Bananasauros character in Sonichu #11, even providing a script, and Chris reacted by openly mocking Waterman and his character in the very pages of the comic, rushing through the plotline and then promptly disregarding the character. Furthermore, whenever people pay Chris for content, he has an established habit of dragging his feet and putting as little effort as he possibly can into the product. Examples of this include Paid Video Requests and his treatment of high-end clients such as DStecks and Ashuraglitch.

In marked contrast, Chris appeared to genuinely believe Wise, thinking he was talking to his friends, as evidenced when he freaked out over the revelation of Rosechu being transgender. The Man in the Pickle Suit also speculated that Wise posed as various characters from CWCville. This was confirmed when Kiwi Farms users who Wise had contacted in private leaked the details of his methods.

“	He knows he's talking to a dude. The thing is that I used to be part of a roleplay community years ago, so the rest is kind of easy for me. What made this so much easier was telling him Kurome put a curse on the Internet so that any pics taken of the girls he wants to see appear elsewhere in her attempt to make it harder for him to believe. All you gotta do really is make a sound clip on audacity to the girls he wants to here talking, and he buys it.	”
Wise revealing his master plan.

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Wise's means of influencing Chris were surprisingly elaborate, taking the form of fake audio clips and photoshopped images which he presented to Chris as documents from CWCville and Gamindustri. Wise initially played the role of a soldier from Gamindustri named John.

The Kiwi Farms leaks also revealed a large amount of content that Chris made during the saga without releasing publicly, including several pages of Sonichu #16 covering the events Wise described to him. The pages show "John" – depicted in a gas mask and body armor from the S.T.A.L.K.E.R. games – asking (real-world) Chris whether he still owns his Dreamcast, which John believes to be a portal to CWCville. In a page-and-a-half wall of text, Chris summarizes his adventures with John and the Hyperdimension Neptunia cast, and the salvation of Gamindustri and CWCville from the invaders.

Wise told Chris that Magi-Chan had a vision that Crystal would be born from Chris anally raping Sonichu; despite so blatantly going against Chris's beliefs and wishes, the message was convincing enough that Chris drew a horrifying piece of artwork depicting the act, where Comic Chris apologizes to Sonichu but insists that "destiny called us to make this baby".

Wise also duped Chris into believing he would receive various magical abilities in real life. This apparently emboldened Chris to begin making plans to travel to meet the creator of Rosechu's Story and to confront Cole Smithey in New York, possibly with the help of magic powers that he expected to receive. According to the leaker, Wise actually did the responsible thing in these cases and convinced Chris not to go. However, he also told Chris that Neptune would be waiting to meet him at a GameStop; Chris went, specifically, to the Forest Lakes GameStop (from which he had been banned) and waited outside in his car, honking his horn and peering inside.

Changes to Chris's fantasy land / sense of reality

Below is are summaries of changes attributed to the Idea Guy.

Hyperdimension Neptunia

Throughout November, Chris made several posts, some accompanied by drawings, on being possessed by Hyperdimension Neptunia goddess Uzume Tennouboshi and an invasion of CWCville by enemy forces from the Neptunia video games.

Halfway through the month, observers began speculating that a new troll had appeared, as Chris's posts began to include references designed to go over his head. On 14 November, he wrote that Silvana had been captured by a Russian billionaire and posted a photo of the soldier who would be rescuing her, recognized by spectators as part of the Remove Kebab internet meme. The same day, Chris recorded Freestyle Dance With Me, For Our World! while wearing a tinfoil hat to prevent "the man" from reading his mind.

Nazi CWCville

The Christine Doll, shortly before being executed.

A day after the "Freestyle Dance", Chris described in detail how Silvana had been saved in a military conflict titled Operation BARBarossa, thinking the name was meant to be a clever nod towards his mother. The post was littered with references to World War II, particularly on actions by Nazi Germany, such as "prison camps full of large ovens" built on CWCville soil.

Days later, Chris expanded on the new CWCville lore, giving the names of the prison camps. He also warned that CWCville's supply of U.S. money had been tainted with a virus – a concept borrowed from the video game Tom Clancy's The Division – and encouraged travelers to use "Cwcsmarts" instead – a name slightly reminiscent of Nazi (and Weimar) Germany's "Reichsmark". Later, he mentioned that CWCville's ZIP Code had been changed from its previous Mexican designation to one in Germany.

Two weeks after the BARBarossa post, Chris had noticed speculation that he had fallen in with the Nazi crowd, and took offense to it, insisting that the ideas had come from Count Graduon.

On 26 December, the Idea Guy informed Chris that citizens of CWCville who refused to accept SLGBTQ formed a homophobic klan and attacked the CWCville Mall, and rioted after the trial of Jamsta for molesting Punchy Sonichu. In the same message, he mentioned that the TrollBusters have been reformed into the "CWCstapo", an obvious (though lost on Chris) reference to the Gestapo, the secret police of Nazi Germany, to "be better at stopping criminals". The update contains the line "A police state is a Country run by CRIMINALS", a quote from Fatherland, a novel set in an alternate timeline in which Nazi Germany won World War II.

A few weeks later, on 16 January, Chris was told that the MLP doll he had customized to his image was, in fact, bugged by Nazis. He took vengeance by smashing it to pieces on camera. A few days later, Chris destroyed his Christmas tree and a photo of Hulk Hogan in Get Out, You D*** Nazis!‎ for the same reason.

“	Chris thinks he fucked up big with having his new medallion crafted out of Element 115(Nazi Zombies reference FTW), which was stolen by a time traveling Hitler, and the Chris from the comics was taken too. Now Cwcville is under the control of the Nazis, and this is what he thinks Cwcville(along with the US) looks like in his imagination land.	”
Idea Guy

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  Still of a Nazi occupation

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  A scene from The Man in High Castle used to trick Chris

CWCville elections

On 26 November, Chris broke his longstanding policy barring elections in CWCville by announcing that the position of mayor was up for election. The mayoral candidates included several notorious historical figures, Russian president Vladimir Putin, actor Brendan Fraser, Ian Brandon Anderson and Payday 2 character Bob McKendrick. Incumbent Allison Amber did not run for reelection. Chris himself endorsed McKendrick, due to him sharing a name with his father, with a slogan ripped off from Pmurt's "Make America Great Again".

A few days later, Chris announced another election for chief of police. The candidates were Ian Brandon Anderson (again), "Man-Ewell Noriega", and two serial killers.

Brendan Fraser won the mayoral election and took office sometime in December; Ian Brandon Anderson won the vote for chief of police but Chris has yet to confirm that he has taken office.

Trans Rosechu

A distraught Chris posted to Facebook and Twitter in early December, saying that Rosechu had informed him that she was actually transgender, and had a penis up until the events of Sonichu #8, at which point she underwent advanced gender-reassignment surgery to become "Fully Woman" and enable her to give birth to her children.

Chris, agitated about the prospect of altering his canon in such a significant way, put up a poll to ask fans whether Rosechu should stay trans or be retconned back to his original concept of her being female from birth, pointing out that Rosechu being trans would hurt him and that the other option would hurt her. This reaction was seen by spectators as trans-shaming towards Rosechu, who he believes to be real in another dimension. In essence, Chris wants to be accepted as trans, added a ten-year-old trans-female to his comic, and forced Rosechu and the gang to fully accept and love Chris for coming out – but refuses to believe Rosechu herself could possibly be trans.

Residents of the CWCville dimension

Chris

With the revelation that the Nazis have taken Cwcville, it is also revealed that pre-tomgirl Chris in the comic was an from an alternate timeline, where he was whisked into the past by the Nazis. Every atrocity committed by Chris is also revealed to be the actions of Nazi Chris. He was then killed by tomgirl Chris with a swift kick to the testicles.

“	Chris looked back at his comics and was shocked to see how little respect he had in portraying women in his works. He thinks the Nazis kidnapped 2000s Chris and brought him back in time where they possessed him with Satanic powers and helped the Nazis win WW2. In truth, I made a joke about the Nazis and Satanic powers, not realizing just how much he'd take it in. [...] I told him Chris from the past abolished women's rights so he can go on his love quest. Chris got so pissed, especially after I told him that Classic Chris helped the Nazis win WW2.	”
Idea Guy

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  Christine kicks Chris in the nuts.

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  Chris dies from testicular trauma.

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  Hitler is zapped to the extreme.

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  Self portrait of Christine in nude, recovered from the "Futanari virus".

Sonichu

Chris butt-fucking Sonichu in comic form in order to fulfill a prophecy for Crystal's birth.

Magi-Chan foretold of a prophecy in which Crystal would be born by Chris mating with Sonichu. He also informed Chris that if this was drawn, he wouldn't have to do it in real life. Chris complied.

Sonichu #15, a book Chris had wanted to use for a modern retelling of Sonichu #0 prior to his known interactions with the Idea Guy, has significant alterations to the canon of the comics. Sonichu's new birthday is given as April 20th, or "4/20" – representing the slang term "420", but also coinciding with Adolf Hitler's birthday and the anniversary of the Columbine massacre.

Another change in birthday is for Magi-chan, which was changed to 14 November, 1948 - the joke being that this made him 69 years old - making him the oldest Sonichu in the comic. It is also the same birthdate of Prince Charles, the current heir apparent to the British throne.

Halfway through December, Chris exclaimed that Silvana had been lost in the past, but that there was a way to bring her back if his followers would "BELIEVE In Silvana Rosechu, and her Fullest Existence in Cwcville, Virginia, USA, Of All Timelines, Worlds and Dimensions!". She was revived in a new form, with her old one destroyed.

Sonichu lore was changed from an unknown number of Sonichu species to an exact number - 69 - which Chris had to retcon Sonichu 8 to fit in.

On 5 January, Chris posted that Magi-Chan and his mentor, Mewtwo, had gotten married – showing that gay marriage is indeed legal in CWCville. They now live as a "loving triage" with Silvana.

After Idea Guy was outed, Chris resumed uploading pages for Sonichu #12-9. In it, jokes and references inserted by Idea Guy survived: Night Star and Diamond Melody order a hotdog from a Tesco merchant (Tesco had a scandal involving selling beef with horse meat to customers). Night Star also rambles about her age, giving references to Gears of War.

Similarly, in-progress work on Sonichu 14 shows Chris still using Idea Guy's suggestions.

Partial pages of Sonichu 16 were posted by Kiwi Farms users whom Idea Guy had confided in, the plot of which involves his explanation on how he got access to Chris and the nightmarish state of CWCville he had described to him. Chris retained the story after the Idea Guys were ousted, however, his allies suggested that he avoid publishing the issue.

Real people

Theories on Ted Bundy

Chris stated several wild theories about serial killer Ted Bundy during the Count Dankula interview.

Sonichu genealogy for Chris, Bob and Ted Bundy

Chris was told that some people are half-Sonichu, such as Chris, his father Bob and serial killer Ted Bundy. Barb, on the other hand, is full human.

This idea was implanted into Chris prior to Josh Wise being doxed in January 2018; Chris maintained belief in this even after the Idea Guys had been finally removed from power in May 2018, bringing it up in June 2018 during the Count Dankula interview.

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  Bob as a Sonichu named "Robertchu." Drawn in December 2017 and leaked the following month.

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  Chris and Robertchu, in a drawing for Father's Day in June 2018.

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  Ted Bundy as a Sonichu

Megan Schroeder

In July 2018, Chris, during a long rant on being a chronicler for the Sonichu-verse, mentioned a belief that Megan has the memories of CPU Red Heart, which she had earned while in politics.

Chris trying to meet an anime girl IRL

“	I let him go to GameStop looking for Neptune while honking his horn and shouting her name. [...] He went up to the window and “thoroughly scanned” the inside for Neptune. [...] The Forest lakes GameStop. He went there because I said Neptune would wait at a GameStop. For some reason he went to the one he got banned from, so I went with it.	”
Idea Guy

Chris abandoning Christianity for Hyperdimension Neptunia

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  Chris discusses religion, abandons Christianity.

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Marrying Chris to Cryzel Rosechu and Magi-Chan

Main article: Cryzel and Magi-Chan

Chris began a polyamorous relationship with fictional characters Cryzel Rosechu and Magi-Chan on 26 March 2018. Eventually, Chris declared himself to be bisexual after having had Magi-Chan as a boyfriend.

Strangely, Chris continued to hold onto this delusion even after the Idea Guys were removed from power.

Chris liking flat-chested women

Early in April, Chris posted a drawing commemorating flat-chested women, depicting himself as flat-chested instead of with the usual comically-large breasts.

Turning Chris bisexual

Chris liked a video featuring shirtless men in April 2018.

On 10 April 2018, Chris came out as bisexual, saying he had done so after discussion with Cryzel and Magi-Chan. Days later, he uploaded a disturbing video, Dick Licker; that is I., in which he licked an image of Magi-Chan's penis drawn on a wall (and was comfortable enough to mention that he had given oral sex to Magi-Chan to a Twitter ween.). He also updated his Facebook to note that he is a bisexual transwoman, "interested in men and women".

A clue as to how Chris was manipulated into a belief that went against his hard stance of being a lesbian is in a quote from a set of bizarre tweets Chris posted on 17 April:

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I would have sex with my Cwcville counterpart, and even my Equestria Counterpart, Nightstar. Her sweetie, Kun T'Nyuget, was so handsome, he made me realize I was Bisexual. He was like, WOW!

”

Kun T'Nyuget was an Idea Guy character planted into CWCville in January. It fits with the Idea Guys' pattern of manipulating Chris by altering CWCville via role-playing and Chris believing it.

Making Chris into a prostitute

On 24 April 2018, Chris announced:

Anyone living locally to me in Virginia, or visiting in Charlottesville, I’ll give y’all BJs for money too. Serious.

A Twitter ween DM'd Chris about it. In the conversation, Chris said:

Consider me a beginner with experience blowing my loving boyfriend, willing to learn and adapt further. $50 for that BJ from this celeb; if he wants butt sex, that will be $100. Cash only.

Chris told Twitter fan Tings Tingz that he was indeed serious about prostituting himself, had several offers, but had not taken on any customers. When asked if he would consider, Chris responded, "a little from Column 'A' and the latter from Column 'B'".

Chris disavowed the prostitution messages on 7 May 2018, saying he had been coerced. He went further on 25 May, saying he had been forced to write such things, and that the people responsible for it – one from California and another from Kentucky – "know who They Are and their Day is Coming and Rightfully SOON!".

Other content

On 7 December, Chris posted a "dark" Pokémon fan theory, lamenting that Pokémon are kept in suspended animation with "NO Simulated Fields made from Virtual Reality! NO Living Room Apartment Setting! NOTHING! Suspended Animation in Dark".

On 11 December, Chris performed a supposed "Cherokean Chant", which in fact involved mimicking the "squatting Slav" meme and reciting Internet meme quotes from the S.T.A.L.K.E.R. video game series, all while drunk on half a fifth of vodka.

On 21 April 2018, Chris recorded I’m Sorry for Ruining so many Fandoms.

"Translated" dialogue

In November and December, Chris drew what he believed to be artwork featuring Sailor Moon characters conversing with his comic counterpart in foreign languages. However, he was actually tricked into writing "I am carrying a penis", among other things, in Japanese.

A month later, more "translated" art was posted, this one featuring the SS motto as well as German lines from the video games Brothers in Arms and Wolfenstein: The New Order. In addition, Chris tried to write the "I am carrying a penis" line again, although he accidentally wrote it with a typo.

The German translations in particular put Chris's naïveté on full display, with some of the German dialogue featuring words such as "Zebra", "Evolution" and "Universum", which are similar or identical to English counterparts that are obviously absent in the supposed translations, yet he was none the wiser.

Chris's note congratulating Magi-Chan and Mewtwo on tying the knot contains Swedish text giving a shout-out to Kiwi Farms.

Gallery of leaked content

See also: Sonichu 16

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  Used to reveal Cwcville's Russian occupation.

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  Fake news about Count Graduon.

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  Perceptor Sonichu, adopted daughter of Magi-chan and Mewtwo

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  A map Idea Guy made

Private messages

As Ballzymaker94, Idea Guy had contacted several members of Kiwi Farms through private messaging to discuss his trolling efforts. After he was doxed by the site's moderators on 22 January 2018, the users came forward to post the content he had shared with them.

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A Kiwi Farms moderator elaborates on why they forced the Idea Guy saga to end.

He had not shared all of his content and chat logs over PM, and generally summarized his interactions with Chris. He offered to trade in all of his information in exchange for the moderators removing the dox of his family members, however, they refused the deal on the grounds that they disliked his public trolling output.

One user had a lengthy conversation with him, spanning from 3 December to 18 December 2017, archived in Idea Guy Q&A. In it, Idea Guy discusses how he had gained Chris’s trust, how Chris reacted to some of his ideas and mentions content which had not been publicly released, such as Chris wanting intel on whether Jessica Quinn was actually a troll, how Chris tried to prevent Jamsta from being jailed for molestation and Chris’s attempts to interact with Neptunia goddesses.

Extortion

What was the final straw in the unpopular views of the Idea Guys were their acts of extortion to Chris. Null, the owner of Kiwi Farms, revealed that they managed to extort $6,000 worth of video games and other accessories. Not only that, in a Discord chat, Boyd would demand $20,000 or else he would reveal that Chris is a pedophile to the FBI. Fortunately, Chris's tendency to hold on to things obsessively assisted him this time, as Chris had kept each of the invoices and receipts from the transactions he made, allowing Null to gather the necessary information to begin tracking the Idea Guys.

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  Email confirmation of an item Chris bought for Boyd.

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  Receipts of items Chris bought for Wise and Boyd, including Amazon and Steam gift cards.

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  Chris (wisely) retained many receipts.

Idea Guy, post-doxing

Even though the first Idea Guy was doxxed by The Farms, he foolishly refused to give up, and continued to exert his control on Chris in increasingly disturbing ways. After Idea Guy was doxed, Chris continued to wear the Gopnik outfit which Idea Guy had him don for the Cherokean Chant video, which became a staple of his fashion. Chris also modified his medallion shortly before Idea Guy was doxed, to feature an item from Hyperdimension Neptunia – this also continued after Idea Guy left and can be seen in Our signatures, a video recorded months later. In April 2018, Chris posted a drawing of him showing support for flat-chested women, with his character wearing both the Gopnik outfit and modified medallion. On 20 April, when asked by a troll, he affirmed that it was indeed Sonichu's birthday, that Magi-chan was born in 1948 (making him the oldest of the Electric Hedgehog Pokémon), and that Sonichu's previous canonical birthday was actually the day "he came More into this world and in my life".

In March 2018, a ween brought up the Nazi camps, and Chris responded:

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That was Graduon’s Idea; NOT Mine.

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An out-of-character video surfaced in April, One-Hundred!, in which Chris exercises with dumbbells.

On 17 April, the influence over Chris became much more obvious. Chris's Twitter account repeatedly posted slanderous lies about him. He then deleted the tweets, claiming a hack had occurred – this is unlikely due to the speed at which he was able to remove the posts. Chris, being naïve, may have been coerced just as he was for the prostitution messages.

Links between Josh Wise and post-dox Idea Guy

"Cheeki Breeki" appears a month after Wise had been doxed.

• In a tweet on 16 April, Chris inadvertently let slip a clue as to how he was being trolled, the same technique used before the doxing:

I had not heard much of the Nostalgia Critic yet, but in Cwcville, apparently, Christine and the Hedgehog Boys made a song about him, “The Nostalgia Critic Did Nothing Wrong!” So, some of my family and species likes him. Cool. :)

• Chris drew Kun T’Nyuget on 23 January 2018, merely one day after Wise had been doxed, but did not reveal it until months later in May 2018. The character next surfaced as a mention in a set of tweets in April, in connection with an Idea Guy plot on turning Chris bisexual.
• In December 2017, Josh Wise had Chris film Cherokean Chant, which featured him reciting a video game meme, Cheeki Breeki, because Chris believed it to be a chant of Cherokees. The Cheeki Breeki lines surfaced again in a drawing of Chris Chan Sonichu, dated February 2018.
• During May 2018, Chris made many tweets indicating that his association with the Idea Guys had ended. In one tweet, he called them out on a couple of schemes which had taken place in April 2018, and said:

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The People who Did THAT to me know who They Are and their Day is Coming and Rightfully SOON! I Know you Read This - Don't Get Too Comfortable Jerks in The Bluegrass State or Golden State!

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Notably, Josh Wise resides in California, a.k.a. the Golden State.

Still a believer

“	If you want BAD DIRECTION, you should look up Idea Guy.	”
Chris, in the middle of restating his belief that he is married to Cryzel and Magi-Chan, an Idea Guy concept.

After Idea Guy was removed from power in May 2018, Chris still maintained belief in many of the concepts that were embedded into him, despite being aware that Idea Guy is a troll. In the Copitz interview, filmed a few weeks later, Chris restated that he was bisexual, and in the Count Dankula interview, filmed in June, Chris reiterated many of the ideas fed to him about CWCville when asked about his beliefs, such as his marriage to Cryzel and Magi-Chan, Bob being part-Sonichu and theories about Ted Bundy. In Nightstar is a very important Special Sonichu, Chris still believes in the joke revision that there are 69 species of Sonichus/Rosechus.

Cryzel Torture

Main article: Cryzel Torture

Despite being doxxed, Idea Guy refused to quit. On July 13, 2018, Null revealed a nine-hour-long chatlog where Wise and Stephen Boyd berate Chris and continue to convince him that his characters were being tortured. Notably, despite the fact that Chris knew about Idea Guy, he was utterly convinced (again) that everything he said was true.

See also

• Bluespike
• Chris and reality
• Molvanîa

References

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