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Where were you when #IdeaGuy embezzled $6,000.00 from me back in 2018, while holding C-197 under Nazi torture and mind-manipulated the CPUs and SEGA Hard Girls?

I Wish I could undo his Freaking Embezzling!

Idea Guy is like glitter. We're gonna be finding bits of him in Chris's ramblings for years.
A Kiwi Farms commentator

Joshua Wise
Idea Guy.png
Name Joshua Allen Wise
Also known as Ballzymaker94
John Yamada
Date of Birth 19 August 1994 (age 25)
Gender Male
Nationality American
Race White
Stephen Boyd
Name Stephen Boyd
Also known as NinFreakLan
Gwen Mikoto
Lan Mikoto
Date of Birth 5 February 1993 (age 26)
Gender Male
Nationality American

The Idea Guys were a group of trolls who manipulated Chris from October 2017 to June 2018. Initially, their aim was to see how gullible Chris was, though this soon degenerated into taking advantage of him financially and coercing him into performing many degrading acts. Right from the start, the Idea Guys were firmly disliked by Christorians and Farmers alike, even more so than controversial figures such as BlueSpike. Joshua Wise, the ringleader of the operation, was doxxed in January 2018 for his and his cronies' tactics: gas-lighting Chris, threatening to claim falsely he was a pedophile to the FBI and extorting him out of thousands of dollars. Despite this, the Idea Guys kept their vice-like grip over Chris, and engaged in increasingly disturbing actions towards him in the following months.

The Idea Guys' abuses prompted a group of Kiwi Farms users, dubbed the Guard Dogs, to work together to dismantle the Idea Guys' schemes, pushing for them to face legal action for their behaviour. Through their efforts, the Idea Guys' links to Chris were cut by July 2018. However, their hold over Chris was so potent that, over a year after their ousting, Chris still retained much of the concepts they had influenced him into believing, such as changes to Sonichu canon, Chris being in a polyamorous marriage, and the Dimensional Merge.


Midway through November 2017, observers began speculating that a new troll had gained control over Chris. This was because Chris's posts began to include references designed to go over his head. On 14 November, he wrote that Silvana had been captured by a Russian billionaire, and posted a photo of the soldier who would be rescuing her. This was recognized by spectators as a reference to the politically incorrect "Remove Kebab" internet meme. That same day, Chris recorded Freestyle Dance With Me, For Our World! while wearing a tinfoil hat to prevent "the man" from reading his mind. These suspicions of a troll wouldn't be confirmed to the public, however, until January 2018.

Joshua Allen Wise

Wise's Kiwi Farms profile.
Frankly, and you can disagree with me all you want, I think the [Idea Guy] is laughing at us for raging and telling him to get raped or die.
Joshua Wise gloats, pretending to be an outside observer.[2]

On 22 January 2018, moderators at Kiwi Farms decided to dox Joshua Allen Wise, known on the forum as Ballzymaker94, as being the Idea Guy. This came two days after the release of Get Out, You D*** Nazis, which most posters rightfully assumed had been made unwillingly. With his doxing, Kiwi Farms users began digging through Wise's online presence, finding posts on the forum and Reddit in which he white knighted himself from criticism. He also attempted to publicize Chris's Idea Guy content in other communities. For example, in one post from 20 January 2018, he writes:[3]

He's made Chris dance to his rhythm, and will continue to pull the strings until he gives up and tells us his tricks [...] or he'll [...] not give up a thing and leave even more people pissed that we learned nothing about why he did all this, or how he even made it possible.

Even after being exposed, he continued responding to private messages on the forum, until he and close family were doxxed.[4] At the time, it was believed that Joshua had been acting alone. So, he was referred to as the sole Idea Guy. When similar content continued being produced post-dox however, observers began to suspect others' involvement, dubbing the new troll "Idea Guy 2.0".

Facebook Archive

Stephen Boyd et al

Wow what a fucking loser. Maybe they're Idea Guy 2.0?
Stephen Boyd, months before being exposed as an Idea Guy.[6]

On 11 July 2018, it was revealed by Kiwi Farms owner Null that Wise had never stopped, and that there had actually been three more Idea Guys. This revelation occurred after Chris allowed Null to enter his Discord account and view their collective chat logs. One of these newly identified Idea Guys was Stephen Boyd, who went by the name NinFreakLan on Kiwi Farms[7]. Prior to being exposed, Boyd participated in threads speculating the identity of the supposed "Idea Guy 2.0". When it was noted that this supposed new troll had begun trolling only a day after Wise had been doxxed, Boyd responded:

But what kinda person would go back to doing this immediately after being doxed? It doesn't properly add up for Cunt Nugget to be Josh. Maybe Chris told Idea Guy 2.0 everything

Because of the discovery of his involvement, it seems extremely likely that Boyd only became involved after Wise had been exposed. Leaked private messages to other Kiwi Farms members seem to indicate that Wise had been searching for a partner in crime; Boyd may have noticed and reached out. Perhaps unsurprisingly, after Wise was doxxed, Boyd began white knighting him, comparing his weening to Marvin and Clyde Cash.[8] Stephen wouldn't be exposed himself until six months later.

A doxx does seem a little extreme. I mean would we have done the same to Clyde Cash or Marvin for stupid shit they did in the past to generate Chris chimping when this is LESS than that?

The other two Idea Guys mentioned by Null have had their identities kept secret. Null stated that he spared them, for both contributed very little to the trolling effort, and dropped out very early on. The only known information about them is that one of them is Canadian, and the other is Chinese.

Behind the scenes

While under Wise's control, Chris himself kept quiet about the situation, never implying that anyone was taking control of him. However, the many references that he did not understand were a clear sign of external influence. There were also signs that Chris was coerced or duped into using Wise's ideas, as he appeared uncomfortable in Wise-inspired videos and is often alarmed by the troll's "revelations" about Chris's fictional world.

Rise to power

A sample of the fake news Wise used to convince Chris.

Some believed that the Idea Guy simply paid Chris. However, fans quickly determined that this was unlikely. The closest anyone came to paying Chris to influence CWCville was when Waterman paid him $100 to feature his Bananasauros character in Sonichu #11, even providing a script, and Chris reacted by openly mocking Waterman and his character in the very pages of the comic, rushing through the plotline and then promptly disregarding the character. Furthermore, whenever people pay Chris for content, he has an established habit of dragging his feet and putting as little effort as he possibly can into the product. Examples of this include Paid Video Requests and his treatment of high-end clients such as DStecks and Ashuraglitch.

In marked contrast, Chris appeared to genuinely believe Wise, thinking he was talking to his friends, as evidenced when he freaked out over the revelation of Rosechu being transgender. The Man in the Pickle Suit also speculated that Wise posed as various characters from CWCville.[9] This was confirmed when Kiwi Farms users who Wise had contacted in private leaked the details of his methods.

Extent of influence over Chris

A picture Wise took of himself in a gas mask to scare Chris.

Wise's means of influencing Chris were surprisingly elaborate, taking the form of fake audio clips and photoshopped images which he presented to Chris as documents from CWCville and Gamindustri[10]. Wise initially played the role of a soldier from Gamindustri (a fictional place in the anime video game series Hyperdimension Neptunia) named John.

Red forest
Stardate Unknown
Subject Matter Reality
Saga Idea GuyIdea Guy Idea Guy
Other LeakedLeaked Leaked AudioAudio Audio

The Kiwi Farms leaks also revealed a large amount of content that Chris made during the saga without releasing publicly, including several pages of Sonichu #16 covering the events Wise described to him. The pages show "John" – depicted in a gas mask and body armor from the S.T.A.L.K.E.R. games – asking (real-world) Chris whether he still owns his Dreamcast, which John believes to be a portal to CWCville. In a page-and-a-half wall of text, Chris summarizes his adventures with John and the Hyperdimension Neptunia cast, and the salvation of Gamindustri and CWCville from the invaders.

Wise told Chris that Magi-Chan had a vision that Crystal would be born from Chris anally raping Sonichu; despite so blatantly going against Chris's beliefs and wishes, the message was convincing enough that Chris drew a horrifying piece of artwork depicting the act, where Comic Chris apologizes to Sonichu but insists that "destiny called us to make this baby".

Wise also duped Chris into believing he would receive various magical abilities in real life. This apparently emboldened Chris to begin making plans to travel to meet the creator of Rosechu's Story and to confront Cole Smithey in New York, possibly with the help of magic powers that he expected to receive. According to the leaker, Wise actually did the responsible thing in these cases and convinced Chris not to go. However, he also told Chris that Neptune would be waiting to meet him at a GameStop; Chris went, specifically, to the Forest Lakes GameStop (from which he had been banned) and waited outside in his car, honking his horn and peering inside.

Continued beliefs

If you want BAD DIRECTION, you should look up Idea Guy.
Chris, in the middle of restating his belief that he is married to Cryzel and Magi-Chan, an Idea Guy concept[11]

Despite the Idea Guys being removed from power in May 2018, Chris still maintains belief in many of the concepts that were embedded into him, even though he is aware that Wise was a troll. In the Copitz interview, filmed a few weeks later, Chris restated that he was bisexual, and in the Count Dankula interview, filmed in June, Chris reiterated many of the ideas fed to him about CWCville when asked about his beliefs, such as his marriage to Cryzel and Magi-Chan, Bob being part-Sonichu and theories about Ted Bundy. In Nightstar is a very important Special Sonichu, Chris still believes in the joke revision that there are 69 species of Sonichus/Rosechus.


So naturally once they have Chris believing that, they have Chris confessing to being a pedophile and raping his mother. Once they have those confessions, they threaten to release it to the public if he doesn't record himself shitting on the floor and punching himself in the face until tears and snot are running down his chin. At one point, they ask Chris to punch his mother, which he does (though he claims lightly).
Null describing the Idea Guys' sadistic exploitation of Chris.[12]
BlueSpike was a literal child when he went too far. What excuse do YOU have f****t.
A Kiwi Farms commentator

What was the final straw in the unpopular views of the Idea Guys were their acts of extortion to Chris. Null, the owner of Kiwi Farms, revealed that they managed to extort $6,000 worth of video games and other accessories.[13] Not only that, in a Discord chat, Boyd would demand $20,000 or else he would reveal that Chris is a pedophile to the FBI. Fortunately, Chris's tendency to hold on to things obsessively assisted him this time, as Chris had kept each of the invoices and receipts from the transactions he made, allowing Null to gather the necessary information to begin tracking the Idea Guys.

Removal from power

In May of 2018, Null was informed by Anna McLerran that the Idea Guys had maintained control over Chris, and were actively extorting him. She neglected to inform law enforcement, however, so she could focus on her college finals, before she eventually refused to help Null any further.[14] Eventually, Chris gave Null direct access to his Discord account, so he (and other Kiwi Farms staff) could collect all of the logs, images and videos from the Idea Guys' servers. While this information wouldn't be released until July, Chris referenced their removal from power as early as May. In reference to Null, Chris stated publicly that he had "very Powerful Allies helping to rectify the situation. I can't say much other than certain people should be Very Frightened right now!"[15]

Changes to Chris's fantasy land/sense of reality

Below are summaries of changes attributed to the Idea Guys.

Hyperdimension Neptunia

Throughout November, Chris made several posts,[16] some accompanied by drawings, on being possessed by Hyperdimension Neptunia goddess Uzume Tennouboshi and an invasion of CWCville by enemy forces from the Neptunia video games.

Nazi CWCville

The Christine Doll, shortly before being executed.

A day after the "Freestyle Dance", Chris described in detail how Silvana had been saved in a military conflict titled Operation BARBarossa, thinking the name was meant to be a clever nod towards his mother. The post was littered with references to World War II, particularly on actions by Nazi Germany, such as "prison camps full of large ovens" built on CWCville soil.

Days later, Chris expanded on the new CWCville lore,[17] giving the names of the prison camps. He also warned that CWCville's supply of U.S. money had been tainted with a virus – a concept borrowed from the video game Tom Clancy's The Division – and encouraged travelers to use "Cwcsmarts" instead – a name slightly reminiscent of Nazi (and Weimar) Germany's "Reichsmark". Later, he mentioned that CWCville's ZIP Code had been changed from its previous Mexican designation to one in Germany, near the picturesque village of Birkenau, not to be confused with the WWII death camp Auschwitz-Birkenau, which operated in German-occupied Poland - As expected, Chris failed to notice this error by Idea Guy, and so the abuse continued.

Two weeks after the BARBarossa post, Chris had noticed speculation that he had fallen in with the Nazi crowd, and took offense to it, insisting that the ideas had come from Count Graduon.

On 26 December, the Idea Guy informed Chris that citizens of CWCville who refused to accept SLGBTQ formed a homophobic klan and attacked the CWCville Mall, and rioted after the trial of Jamsta for molesting Punchy Sonichu. In the same message, he mentioned that the TrollBusters have been reformed into the "CWCstapo", an obvious (though lost on Chris) reference to the Gestapo, the secret police of Nazi Germany, to "be better at stopping criminals".[18] The update contains the line "A police state is a Country run by CRIMINALS", a quote from Fatherland, a novel set in an alternate timeline in which Nazi Germany won World War II.

A few weeks later, on 16 January, Chris was told that the MLP doll he had customized to his image was, in fact, bugged by Nazis. He took vengeance by smashing it to pieces on camera. A few days later, Chris destroyed his Christmas tree and a photo of Hulk Hogan in Get Out, You D*** Nazis!‎ for the same reason.

Chris thinks he fucked up big with having his new medallion crafted out of Element 115(Nazi Zombies reference FTW), which was stolen by a time traveling Hitler, and the Chris from the comics was taken too. Now Cwcville is under the control of the Nazis, and this is what he thinks Cwcville(along with the US) looks like in his imagination land.
Idea Guy[19]

CWCville elections

On 26 November, Chris broke his longstanding policy barring elections in CWCville by announcing that the position of mayor was up for election.[20] The mayoral candidates included several notorious historical figures, Russian president Vladimir Putin, actor Brendan Fraser, Ian Brandon Anderson and Payday 2 character Bob McKendrick. Incumbent Allison Amber did not run for reelection. Chris himself endorsed McKendrick, due to him sharing a name with his father, with a slogan ripped off from Pmurt's "Make America Great Again".

A few days later, Chris announced another election for chief of police.[21] The candidates were Ian Brandon Anderson (again), "Man-Ewell Noriega", and two serial killers.

Brendan Fraser won the mayoral election and took office sometime in December;[18] Ian Brandon Anderson won the vote for chief of police but Chris has yet to confirm that he has taken office.

Trans Rosechu

Cwc imaginary gal-pal's penis.jpg

A distraught Chris posted to Facebook and Twitter in early December, saying that Rosechu had informed him that she was actually transgender, and had a penis up until the events of Sonichu #8, at which point she underwent advanced gender-reassignment surgery to become "Fully Woman" and enable her to give birth to her children.[22]

Chris, agitated about the prospect of altering his canon in such a significant way, put up a poll to ask fans whether Rosechu should stay trans or be retconned back to his original concept of her being female from birth, pointing out that Rosechu being trans would hurt him and that the other option would hurt her. This reaction was seen by spectators as trans-shaming towards Rosechu, who he believes to be real in another dimension. In essence, Chris wants to be accepted as trans, added a ten-year-old trans-female to his comic, and forced Rosechu and the gang to fully accept and love Chris for coming out – but refuses to believe Rosechu herself could possibly be trans.

Residents of the CWCville dimension


With the revelation that the Nazis have taken Cwcville, it is also revealed that pre-tomgirl Chris in the comic was an from an alternate timeline, where he was whisked into the past by the Nazis. Every atrocity committed by Chris is also revealed to be the actions of Nazi Chris. He was then killed by tomgirl Chris with a swift kick to the testicles.

Chris looked back at his comics and was shocked to see how little respect he had in portraying women in his works. He thinks the Nazis kidnapped 2000s Chris and brought him back in time where they possessed him with Satanic powers and helped the Nazis win WW2.

In truth, I made a joke about the Nazis and Satanic powers, not realizing just how much he'd take it in.


I told him Chris from the past abolished women's rights so he can go on his love quest. Chris got so pissed, especially after I told him that Classic Chris helped the Nazis win WW2.

Idea Guy[19]


Chris butt-fucking Sonichu in comic form in order to fulfill a prophecy for Crystal's birth.

Magi-Chan foretold of a prophecy in which Crystal would be born by Chris mating with Sonichu. He also informed Chris that if this was drawn, he wouldn't have to do it in real life. Chris complied[19].

Sonichu #15, a book Chris had wanted to use for a modern retelling of Sonichu #0 prior to his known interactions with the Idea Guys, has significant alterations to the canon of the comics. Sonichu's new birthday is given as April 20th, or "4/20" – representing the slang term "420", but also coinciding with Adolf Hitler's birthday and the anniversary of the Columbine massacre.

Another change in birthday is for Magi-chan, which was changed to 14 November, 1948[23] - the joke being that this made him 69 years old - making him the oldest Sonichu in the comic. It is also the same birthdate of Prince Charles, the current heir apparent to the British throne.

Halfway through December, Chris exclaimed that Silvana had been lost in the past, but that there was a way to bring her back if his followers would "BELIEVE In Silvana Rosechu, and her Fullest Existence in Cwcville, Virginia, USA, Of All Timelines, Worlds and Dimensions!". She was revived in a new form, with her old one destroyed.[24]

Sonichu lore was changed from an unknown number of Sonichu species to an exact number - 69[24] - which Chris had to retcon Sonichu 8 to fit in.

On 5 January, Chris posted that Magi-Chan and his mentor, Mewtwo, had gotten married – showing that gay marriage is indeed legal in CWCville.[25] They now live as a "loving triage" with Silvana.

After Wise was outed, Chris resumed uploading pages for Sonichu #12-9. In it, jokes and references inserted by the Idea Guys survived: Night Star and Diamond Melody order a hotdog from a Tesco merchant (Tesco had a scandal involving selling beef with horse meat to customers). Night Star also rambles about her age, giving references to Gears of War.[26]

Similarly, in-progress work on Sonichu 14 shows Chris still using Wise's suggestions.

Partial pages of Sonichu 16 were posted by Kiwi Farms users whom Wise had confided in, the plot of which involves his explanation on how he got access to Chris and the nightmarish state of CWCville he had described to him. Chris retained the story after the Idea Guys were ousted, however, his allies suggested that he avoid publishing the issue.

Real people

Theories on Ted Bundy

Chris stated several wild theories about serial killer Ted Bundy during the Count Dankula interview.

Sonichu genealogy for Chris, Bob and Ted Bundy

Chris was told that some people are half-Sonichu, such as Chris, his father Bob and serial killer Ted Bundy. Barb, on the other hand, is full human.

This idea was implanted into Chris prior to Josh Wise being doxed in January 2018; Chris maintained belief in this even after the Idea Guys had been finally removed from power in May 2018, bringing it up in June 2018 during the Count Dankula interview.

Megan Schroeder

In July 2018, Chris, during a long rant on being a chronicler for the Sonichu-verse, mentioned a belief that Megan has the memories of CPU Red Heart, which she had earned while in politics[27].

Chris trying to meet an anime girl IRL

I let him go to GameStop looking for Neptune while honking his horn and shouting her name. [...] He went up to the window and “thoroughly scanned” the inside for Neptune. [...] The Forest lakes GameStop. He went there because I said Neptune would wait at a GameStop. For some reason he went to the one he got banned from, so I went with it.
Joshua Wise[19]

Chris abandoning Christianity for Hyperdimension Neptunia

Marrying Chris to Cryzel Rosechu and Magi-Chan

Main article: Cryzel and Magi-Chan

Chris began a polyamorous relationship with fictional characters Cryzel Rosechu and Magi-Chan on 26 March 2018. Eventually, Chris declared himself to be bisexual after having had Magi-Chan as a boyfriend.

Strangely, Chris continued to hold onto this delusion even after the Idea Guys were removed from power[15].

Chris liking flat-chested women

Flat-chested women April 2018.jpg

Early in April, Chris posted a drawing commemorating flat-chested women, depicting himself as flat-chested instead of with the usual comically-large breasts.[28]

Turning Chris bisexual

Chris liked a video featuring shirtless men in April 2018.

On 10 April 2018, Chris came out as bisexual, saying he had done so after discussion with Cryzel and Magi-Chan.[28] Days later, he uploaded a disturbing video, Dick Licker; that is I., in which he licked an image of Magi-Chan's penis drawn on a wall (and was comfortable enough to mention that he had given oral sex to Magi-Chan to a Twitter ween.[29]). He also updated his Facebook to note that he is a bisexual transwoman, "interested in men and women".

A clue as to how Chris was manipulated into a belief that went against his hard stance of being a lesbian is in a quote from a set of bizarre tweets Chris posted on 17 April:[30]

I would have sex with my Cwcville counterpart, and even my Equestria Counterpart, Nightstar. Her sweetie, Kun T'Nyuget, was so handsome, he made me realize I was Bisexual. He was like, WOW!

Kun T'Nyuget was an Idea Guys character planted into CWCville in January. It fits with the Idea Guys' pattern of manipulating Chris by altering CWCville via role-playing and Chris believing it.

Making Chris into a prostitute

On 24 April 2018, Chris announced:[31]

Anyone living locally to me in Virginia, or visiting in Charlottesville, I’ll give y’all BJs for money too. Serious.

A Twitter ween messaged Chris about it. In their conversation, Chris said:[29]

Consider me a beginner with experience blowing my loving boyfriend, willing to learn and adapt further. $50 for that BJ from this celeb; if he wants butt sex, that will be $100. Cash only.

Chris told Twitter fan Tings Tingz that he was indeed serious about prostituting himself, had several offers, but had not taken on any customers. When asked if he would consider, Chris responded, "a little from Column 'A' and the latter from Column 'B'".[32] Soon thereafte,r he reversed course, disavowed the prostitution messages on 7 May 2018, saying he had been coerced.[33] He went further on 25 May, saying he had been forced to write such things, and that the people responsible for it – one from California and another from Kentucky – "know who They Are and their Day is Coming and Rightfully SOON!".[34]

Other content

On 7 December, Chris posted a "dark" Pokémon fan theory, lamenting that Pokémon are kept in suspended animation with "NO Simulated Fields made from Virtual Reality! NO Living Room Apartment Setting! NOTHING! Suspended Animation in Dark".[35]

On 11 December, Chris performed a supposed "Cherokean Chant", which in fact involved mimicking the "squatting Slav" meme and reciting Internet meme quotes from the S.T.A.L.K.E.R. video game series, all while drunk on half a fifth of vodka.

On 21 April 2018, Chris recorded I’m Sorry for Ruining so many Fandoms.

"Translated" dialogue

In November and December 2017, Chris drew what he believed to be artwork featuring Sailor Moon characters conversing with his comic counterpart in foreign languages. However, he was actually tricked into writing "I am carrying a penis", among other things, in Japanese.[36] A month later, more "translated" art was posted,[37] this one featuring the SS motto as well as German lines from the video games Brothers in Arms and Wolfenstein: The New Order. In addition, Chris tried to write the "I am carrying a penis" line again, although he accidentally wrote it with a typo. The German translations in particular put Chris's naïveté on full display, with some of the German dialogue featuring words such as "Zebra", "Evolution" and "Universum", which are similar or identical to English counterparts that are obviously absent in the supposed translations, yet he was none the wiser. His note congratulating Magi-Chan and Mewtwo on tying the knot also contained Swedish text giving a shout-out to Kiwi Farms.[25]

Gallery of leaked content

Sonichu 16

Main article: Sonichu 16

Sonichu #16, or The Awakening of a CPU, as re-titled by Chris, is an issue heavily directed by the Idea Guy trolls. It features a story on how one of their fictional troll characters, John Yamada, came to influence Chris, and covers an incoherent series of plot threads involving material from existing fictional universes and real-world politics of interest to the Idea Guys.

Private messages

A Kiwi Farms moderator elaborates on why they forced the Idea Guy saga to end, and rejected his deal.

As Ballzymaker94, Wise had contacted several members of Kiwi Farms through private messaging to discuss his trolling efforts. After he was doxed by the site's moderators on 22 January 2018, many users came forward to post content that he had shared with them.

He hadn't shared all of his content over PM, however, generally only summarizing his interactions with Chris. After he was exposed, he offered to trade in all of his information in exchange for the moderators removing the dox of his family members. They refused, however, on the grounds that they disliked his public trolling output. Below is a gallery of some of the conversations leaked between Wise and various members of Kiwi Farms.

Idea Guy Q&A

Main article: Idea Guy Q&A

One user from the forum had a lengthy conversation with him, spanning from 3 December to 18 December 2017[38], archived in the Idea Guy Q&A. In it, Wise discusses how he had gained Chris’s trust, how Chris reacted to some of his ideas and mentions content which had not been publicly released, such as Chris wanting intel on whether Jessica Quinn was actually a troll, how Chris tried to prevent Jamsta from being jailed for molestation and Chris’s attempts to interact with Neptunia goddesses.

Chat Logs

With Chris having given Null access to his Discord account, Null was able to uncover a series of chatlogs between Chris and the Idea Guys, both of which were then revealed on Kiwi Farms. These logs, which often ran for several hours, showed the true depths of the cruelty the Idea Guys were prepared to go to in their extortion.

The Bad Beginning

Main article: The Bad Beginning

Despite Wise being doxxed, the Idea Guys refused to quit. On 19 July, Null posted the first 9 hour and 15 minute long text conversation found in the Idea Guys' Discord server. It takes place between 8 April and 9 April; 3 months after Wise had been doxxed. Here, it's revealed that they had manipulated Chris into believing he was a pedophile prior to the server's creation. They then threaten to expose him if he doesn't pay them $20,000. Included in this log is a video of Chris apologizing to Boyd (under his nickname, Gwen).

Christine's Apology
Stardate 8 April 2018
Subject Matter Remorse
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Cryzel Torture

Chris' reaction to the 12 December 2018 leak, directly accusing the Idea Guys.
Main article: Cryzel Torture

On 13 July, 2018, Null revealed a nine-hour-long chatlog where Wise and Stephen Boyd berate Chris and continue to convince him that his characters were being tortured. Notably, despite the fact that Chris knew about Idea Guy, he was utterly convinced (again) that everything he said was true. It was also during this Discord session that Chris would upload his first (safe for work) rendition of "All Star". This conversation begins on 20 April 2018.

Twitter Leaks

Main article: Twitter#Leaks

Throughout 2018, Chris-Chan's Twitter account was hacked several times by an unknown individual who claimed to be associated with the Idea Guys. The reason why this is up for debate is because it seems more likely that they were being posted by Lukas of the Teen Troon Squad, using the Idea Guys as a red herring. It's unknown how Boyd or Wise would have gained access to the account, as these leaks occurred long after they were taken out of power. The leak also included footage that was later leaked in full by Lukas onto /cow/, making their involvement all the more likely. Regardless of who actually leaked the videos, Chris himself believed it to be the work of Boyd and Wise, subsequently calling them out by name in a tweet afterwards.[39]

See also


  15. 15.0 15.1 May 2018 social media posts#On the Cryzel and Magi-Chan relationship and being blackmailed
  16. November 2017 Facebook posts
  17. November 2017 tweets#Updates on prison camps & reality
  18. 18.0 18.1 December 2017 Facebook posts#Jamsta molested Punchy
  19. 19.0 19.1 19.2 19.3 Idea Guy Q&A
  20. November 2017 tweets#CWCville mayoral election
  21. November 2017 tweets#CWCville Chief of Police election
  22. December 2017 Facebook posts#Is Rosechu a transwoman?
  24. 24.0 24.1 December 2017 Facebook posts#Silvana lost in the past
  25. 25.0 25.1 January 2018 Facebook posts‎‎#Mewtwo and Magi-Chan married
  26. November 2017 Patreon posts
  27. July 2018 social media posts
  28. 28.0 28.1 April 2018 social media posts
  29. 29.0 29.1 File:NAME YOUR PRICE!!.jpeg
  30. April 2018 social media posts#Chris's Twitter controlled by troll
  32. File:TingsTingz concern for the prostitution message.jpg
  34. Cite error: Invalid <ref> tag; no text was provided for refs named callingout
  35. December 2017 Facebook posts#What it's like in a Pokeball
  36. November 2017 Patreon posts#Chris writes about dicks, thinks it's his signature
  37. December 2017 Facebook posts#"Translated" Sailor Moon drawings

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Others: Anne Boleyn | Aunt Corrina | Cole Smithey | Daniel Weston | Minor Family Members

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Guard Dogs: Null | The Captain | Marvin

Others: Copitz | DRWolf | Female fanbase | Joey Vance | MLP voice actresses | Pokémon club friends | Rocky Shoemaker | Virginia Jeanine Sanford


The Miscreants: Arjen Van Dierten | The Asperpedia Four (Alec Benson Leary, Evan Christopher George, Mao Ling, and Sean August Watley)| Bryan Bash | Clyde Cash | Jack Thaddeus | Jason Kendrick Howell | Joshua Martinez | Liquid Chris | Lordsillynipples | Man in the Pickle Suit | Sarah May | Surfshack Tito | Vivian Gee

Famous people: BILLY MAYS | Jay Z | Jimmy Hill | Reggie Fils-Aimé | Shigeru Miyamoto | Takashi Tezuka

Traitors: Arthur Spatchcock | Bryanfrogboy | CWCProtectSquad | Idea Guys | Jeff/Francine | Teen Troon Squad | Sarah and Steve

Others: Ben Saint | Johan | LadyOfTheCosmo | Sam and Ellen | Surfshack Tito | Thorg

Other enemies:

PVCC: Kene Meniru | Mary Lee Walsh

Jerkops: Bagget | Jerkhief

Manajerks: B-Manajerk | Kirby | "Lady" Manajerk | Michael Snyder | ScotPalazzo | Turdijerk | W-M-Manajerk | Yellow-Shirted Foe

The GAMe PLACe: Daniel Mimms | Lucas

JERKS: Joseph Herring | Wes Iseli

Others: Abusive babysitter | Bruce Johnson | Kathleen | executives | Pmurt | Rob Bell | Sonic Boom producers


Famous people: Pmurt | Barack Obama | George W. Bush | John Tesh | PewDiePie | Red Skelton | R.L. Stine

Orbiters: A-Log | DStecks | Michael Hirtes | Miss Cherry | MKRNightVee

Others: Adam Stackhouse | Caitlin | Mia Hamm | Ryan Cash

Inanimate objects/Fictional Characters: Kimmi | Meg Griffin | Naru | Officer Nasty