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{{quote|Where were you when #IdeaGuy embezzled $6,000.00 from me back in 2018, while holding [[C-197]] under Nazi torture and mind-manipulated the [[Hyperdimension Neptunia|CPUs and SEGA Hard Girls]]?
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'''Joshua Wise''' (known to Chris as '''John Yamada''' and known by Chris's fans as "'''/pol/ troll'''", "'''Idea Guy'''", or "'''Ballzymaker94'''") was a troll who influenced Chris to add politically incorrect themes and historical references, [[Internet]] memes, and false rumors into his [[Sonichu (comic)|comic]], [[Facebook|social]] [[Twitter|media]] posts, and videos. His aim was likely to see how gullible Chris was, and how little he understands about the world, though Chris's participation may not have been completely voluntary. Chris's interactions with Wise started when he informed Chris that the characters from Hyperdimension Neptunia were invading CWCville.
I Wish I could undo his Freaking Embezzling!|Chris<ref>https://twitter.com/CPU_CWCSonichu/status/1148379386023960579</ref>}}


==Identity==
{{quote|I'm not doing this for my entry into Christory or anything. I just like fucking with people and frankly, I'm pushing to finish this pony shit faster(which is working).|Joshua Wise<ref>[[Idea Guy Q&A#Introduction]]</ref>}}


For months, fans wondered about Idea Guy's identity and fictional bio, as Chris did not disclose that he was in contact with a source. On 22 January 2018, moderators at [[Kiwi Farms]] decided to dox the user known as Ballzymaker94 for being Idea Guy, forcing an abrupt end to the saga. Chris has yet to react to, or show awareness of, the reveal of Wise's involvement.
{{quote|Idea Guy is like glitter. We're gonna be finding bits of him in Chris's ramblings for years.|A Kiwi Farms commentator}}
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|name    = Joshua Allen Wise
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The '''Idea Guys''' were a group of trolls who exploited [[Christian Weston Chandler|Chris]]'s escapist fantasies by role-playing as his [[imaginary friends]]. They used this influence to [[List of beliefs brainwashed into Chris|brainwash]] him, and allegedly they also blackmailed Chris out of $6,000 by threatening to destroy his imaginary city [[CWCville]]. The group began with '''Joshua Allen Wise''' (also known as The '''Idea Guy''', or more commonly '''IdeaGuy''' by Chris) in [[October 2017]], and at some point, '''Stephen Boyd''' and at least three other confirmed anonymous followers (A gay Chinese man, a Canadian and a fifth member who goes under the moniker of "Gruppenfuhrer Fegelein") partnered with him until the group was ousted in [[April 2018]].


With Idea Guy's doxing, Kiwi Farms users also found posts from his accounts there and on Reddit [[White knight|white knighting]] the Idea Guy from criticism and trying to publicize Chris's Idea Guy content in other communities.
Initially their aim was to see how [[Naïve|gullible]] Chris was, but this soon fell into them taking advantage of him financially and coercing him into performing many degrading acts, some of which would put [[BlueSpike]] to shame. In the process they managed to somehow make Chris become [[Chris and reality|even more delusional]] than he already was, all the while planting some of their own twisted ideas into Chris's mind.


==Behind the scenes==
This abuse prompted the creation of a group composed of [[The Captain]], [[Marvin]] and later [[Null]], dubbed the [[Guard Dogs]]. Their goal was to work together to dismantle the Idea Guys' schemes and push for legal action to be taken against them. Thanks to their efforts, the Idea Guys' link to Chris was cut by late [[April 2018]]. Authorities never looked into the matter.
[[File:IdeaGuyCwc News Media2.PNG|thumb|A sample of the fake news Wise used to convince Chris.]]
While under Wise's control, Chris himself kept quiet about the situation, never implying that anyone was taking control of him. However, the many references that he [[Honor roll|did not understand]] were a clear sign of external influence. There were also signs that Chris was coerced or duped into using Wise's ideas, as he appeared uncomfortable in Wise-inspired videos and is often alarmed by the troll's "revelations" about Chris's fictional world.


Some believed that the Idea Guy simply paid Chris. However, fans quickly determined that this was unlikely. The closest anyone came to paying Chris to influence CWCville was when [[William Elliott Waterman|Waterman]] paid him $100 to feature his [[Bananasauros]] character in [[Sonichu 11|''Sonichu'' #11]], even providing a script, and Chris reacted by openly mocking Waterman and his character in the very pages of the comic, rushing through the plotline and then promptly disregarding the character. Furthermore, whenever people pay Chris for content, he has an established habit of dragging his feet and putting as little effort as he possibly can into the product. Examples of this include [[Paid Video Requests]] and his treatment of high-end clients such as [[DStecks]] and [[Ashuraglitch]].
Despite their removal, the Idea Guys' iron grip over Chris has had lasting effects. To this day, Chris has retained many of the concepts they had coerced him into believing. Concepts such as changes to ''Sonichu'' canon, a [[polyamorous marriage]], and the now infamous [[Dimensional Merge]] were introduced to Chris by the group. After their reign, waves of fantasy [[enablers]] began appearing, copying their tactics to get an audience with Chris, with many seeing success. The Idea Guys have effectively had the greatest impact on Chris's psyche and personal life out of any trolls since the days of [[The Miscreants]], and are debatably the most successful trolls in that regard.


In marked contrast, Chris appeared to genuinely believe Wise, thinking he was talking to his friends, as evidenced when he freaked out over the revelation of Rosechu being transgender. The [[Man in the Pickle Suit]] also speculated that Wise posed as various characters from CWCville.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/12-06-2017-rosechu-has-a-dick.37132/page-9#post-2831808</ref> This was confirmed when Kiwi Farms users who Wise had contacted in private leaked the details of his methods.
==Background==
Chris's fantasy world had been ripe for exploitation in the lead-up to the Idea Guys' interactions with him. Years before, the [[Asperpedia Four]] manipulated Chris into killing off [[Simonla Rosechu]] in the comics. The [[Miscreants]] had also told Chris to name a character [[Vulva Pie]] - when he found out what the word meant, he was upset that he had been tricked but felt obligated to maintain Vulva Pie's name in canon. Furthermore, Chris's reliance on his fantasy world as a [[Chris and coping|coping]] mechanism for his real-world life had become heavier, made evident when he believed he was [[dancing with Magi-Chan]], one of his [[imaginary friends]], during the 2017 [[BronyCon]]. This had only occurred one month prior to Joshua Wise beginning contact with him.


{{quote|He knows he's talking to a dude. The thing is that I used to be part of a roleplay community years ago, so the rest is kind of easy for me. What made this so much easier was telling him Kurome put a curse on the Internet so that any pics taken of the girls he wants to see appear elsewhere in her attempt to make it harder for him to believe. All you gotta do really is make a sound clip on audacity to the girls he wants to here talking, and he buys it.|Wise revealing his master plan.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/idea-guy-joshua-wise-manipulating-the-intellecutally-disabled-for-fun-megathread.37132/page-72#post-2986876</ref>}}
Outside of Chris's fantasies becoming increasingly potent, Chris's real life was becoming a lot more volatile. The [[Financhu Crisis]] continued to go on, with Chris taking up working on [[Sonichu (comic)|the ''Sonichu'' comic]] more often to gain additional funding through [[Patreon]]. Chris's emotional state could also have been compromised from other life events such as his breakup with [[Jessica Quinn]], as she had been in contact with Chris for a long time and had him believing they would meet up in real life (although Chris's appeared largely back to normal in the weeks between the Quinn breakup and the beginning of Wise's manipulations, having resumed the comic, posting on Twitter and being interviewed).


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In September 2017, Joshua Wise contacted Chris to commission artwork.<ref name=tcce></ref> With the two in contact, Wise decided to see for himself Chris's gullibility.<ref>[[Idea Guy Q&A#Red Forest clip]]</ref> In late [[October 2017]], he again contacted Chris, posing as '''John Yamada'''. As "Yamada", Wise claimed to be a soldier from Gamindustri - a location set in the franchise ''[[Hyperdimension Neptunia]]'' - and inquired if Chris still had his old Sega Dreamcast console, telling him it contained a possible portal into [[CWCville]].<ref name=comicyamada>[[:File:Sonichu 16 page-3.JPG]]</ref><ref name=gullibility>[[Idea Guy Q&A#Gullibility]]</ref> Wise used the lore from ''Neptunia'' to play into Chris's existing preconceptions about [[Chris and reality|reality]] and [[Alec Benson Leary Phone Call 2|his belief that fictional worlds exist in alternate dimensions]], giving him validation over those beliefs, which primed Chris for falling under Wise's spell and eventually encouraged him to retreat further into his fantasy world to cope with his real world problems.
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Wise's means of influencing Chris were surprisingly elaborate, taking the form of fake audio clips and photoshopped images which he presented to Chris as documents from CWCville and Gamindustri<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/idea-guy-joshua-wise-manipulating-the-intellecutally-disabled-for-fun-megathread.37132/page-80#post-2988349</ref>. Wise initially played the role of a soldier from Gamindustri named John.
==Brainwashing Chris==
===Role-playing===
{{see also|Red Forest}}


The Kiwi Farms leaks also revealed a large amount of content that Chris made during the saga without releasing publicly, including several pages of [[Sonichu 16|''Sonichu'' #16]] covering the events Wise described to him. The pages show "John" – depicted in a gas mask and body armor from the [[Cherokean Chant|''S.T.A.L.K.E.R.'']] games – asking (real-world) Chris whether he still owns his Dreamcast, which John believes to be a portal to [[CWCville]]. In a page-and-a-half wall of text, Chris summarizes his adventures with John and the ''[[Hyperdimension Neptunia]]'' cast, and the salvation of Gamindustri and CWCville from the invaders.
{{quote|the way I get him to do all this is by simply roleplaying. I pull off Sonichu, Rosechu, Magi-chan, the [[CPUs|goddesses from Neptunia]], and even a few of the [[nazis]] that Chris threatened [[Smashing|in the video he did last night]].|Idea Guy Wise<ref>[[Misc Idea Guy chats#Chat with Kiwi Farms member 3]]</ref>}}


Wise told Chris that [[Magi-Chan]] had a vision that [[Crystal Weston Chandler (daughter)|Crystal]] would be born from Chris [[Homos|anally]] [[Chris and sex#Rape|raping]] Sonichu; despite so blatantly going against Chris's beliefs and wishes, the message was convincing enough that Chris drew a horrifying piece of artwork depicting the act, where Comic Chris apologizes to Sonichu but insists that "destiny called us to make this baby".
{{quote|all it takes is one of the free photo editing sites and Audacity to make Cwcville come to life.|Wise<ref>[[Idea Guy Q&A#Manipulating Chris]]</ref>}}


Wise also duped Chris into believing he would receive various magical abilities in real life. This apparently emboldened Chris to begin making plans to travel to meet the creator of [[Rosechu's Story]] and to confront [[Cole Smithey]] in New York, possibly with the help of magic powers that he expected to receive. According to the leaker, Wise actually did the responsible thing in these cases and convinced Chris not to go. However, he also told Chris that Neptune would be waiting to meet him at a GameStop; Chris went, specifically, to the Forest Lakes GameStop (from which he [[List of places that have banned Chris|had been banned]]) and waited outside in [[Son-Chu|his car]], honking his horn and peering inside.
[[File:IdeaGuyCwc News Media2.PNG|thumb|A sample of the photoshopped images Wise created to convince Chris.]]


==Ideas==
The key component of Wise's schemes was role-playing as various entities, including Chris's own [[imaginary friends]] and goddesses from ''[[Hyperdimension Neptunia]]''. By December 2017, Wise was role-playing as at least 13 different characters to Chris, including his persona John Yamada and numerous ''Neptunia'' characters.<ref name=religionswitch>[[Idea Guy Q&A#Chris abandons Christianity for Neptunia]]</ref> Chris was so entranced under Wise's tactics that he believed it when Wise role-played as the Chris of [[CWCville]] and told him he had converted to Satanism.<ref name=pretend>[[Idea Guy Q&A#Pretending to be Chris to Chris, religion in CWCville]]</ref> Chris believed the entities were borrowing John Yamada's computer to communicate with him across dimensions.<ref>[[Idea Guy Q&A#Rosechu is trans]]</ref>
Below is a summary of ideas in Chris's work attributed to the Idea Guy.


===[[Hyperdimension Neptunia]]===
To accompany the role-playing, Wise also crafted storylines, heavily inspired from video games, designed to infiltrate Chris's beliefs, such as ''Payday 2'' antagonist [[Akan]] attacking CWCville and kidnapping Chris's imaginary friend [[Silvana]],<ref>[[November 2017 Facebook posts#Silvana is captured]]</ref> and CWCville being occupied by Russians and [[Nazis]]. Wise also utilized doctored audio clips, such as [[Red Forest]], and photoshopped images, which "John Yamada" presented to Chris as documents from CWCville and Gamindustri.  
Throughout November, Chris made several posts,<ref>[[November 2017 Facebook posts]]</ref> some accompanied by drawings, on being possessed by ''Hyperdimension Neptunia'' goddess Uzume Tennouboshi and an invasion of CWCville by enemy forces from the ''Neptunia'' video games.


Halfway through the month, observers began speculating that a new troll had appeared, as Chris's posts began to include references designed to go over his head. On 14 November, he wrote that [[Silvana]] had been captured by a Russian billionaire and posted a photo of the soldier who would be rescuing her, recognized by spectators as part of the Remove Kebab internet meme. The same day, Chris recorded [[Freestyle Dance With Me, For Our World!]] while wearing a tinfoil hat to prevent "the man" from reading his mind.
<center><gallery>
File:IdeaGuyCwc News Media.PNG|Another of Wise's fake news graphics, used to reveal CWCville's Russian occupation.
File:IdeaGuyCwc News Media3.jpg|A fake news graphic about [[Count Graduon]].
File:NaziDC.jpg|Image from the ''Wolfenstein'' video game franchise, used to trick Chris into believing CWCville and the USA were under Nazi rule.<ref name=cwcvillenazis>[[Idea Guy Q&A#Nazis in CWCville]]</ref>
</gallery></center>


===Nazi [[CWCville]]===
In the wake of the January 2018 attempt by [[Kiwi Farms]] to remove him from power by doxing him, Wise identified as Idea Guy directly to Chris<ref>Comment from [[The Captain]]: "This is the same shit Wise was pulling the second time around.. Name dropping himself as Idea Guy to Chris." https://kiwifarms.net/threads/10-4-chris-says-magi-chan-wrote-hawaii-trip-tweet-for-monetary-gain.48498/</ref> and made a new persona, "Johnson Wiles", setting it as the [[OC]] counterpart of his real-world self.<ref>[[Twilight Sparkle's Secret Shipfic Folder#TSSSF IdeaGuy Corruptions Expansion Pack]]</ref>
[[File:Smashing (720p 30fps H264-192kbit AAC).mp400001.png|thumb|200px|The [[Christine Doll]], shortly before being executed.]]


A day after the "Freestyle Dance", Chris described in detail how Silvana had been saved in a military conflict titled [[Operation BARBarossa]], thinking the name was meant to be a clever nod towards [[Barb|his mother]]. The post was littered with references to World War II, particularly on actions by Nazi Germany, such as "prison camps full of large ovens" built on CWCville soil.
Boyd also used Wise's role-playing tactics. The known characters he role-played as are his persona Gwen Mikoto<ref name=tcce></ref> and religious figure Jesus Christ.<ref>[[Cryzel Torture]]</ref>


Days later, Chris expanded on the new CWCville lore,<ref>[[November 2017 tweets#Updates on prison camps & reality]]</ref> giving the names of the prison camps. He also warned that CWCville's supply of U.S. money had been tainted with a virus – a concept borrowed from the video game ''Tom Clancy's The Division'' – and encouraged travelers to use "Cwcsmarts" instead – a name slightly reminiscent of Nazi (and Weimar) Germany's "Reichsmark". Later, he mentioned that CWCville's ZIP Code had been changed from its previous Mexican designation to one in Germany.
===Controlling Chris's beliefs===
{{quote|He's trying to use his "Creator powers" to return [[Cwcville]] to it's original state before I showed up, but I keep telling him every time he does this, it causes more trouble than actual solutions.|Idea Guy Wise.<ref name=pretend></ref>}}


Two weeks after the BARBarossa post, Chris had noticed speculation that he had fallen in with the Nazi crowd, and took offense to it, insisting that the ideas had come from [[Count Graduon]].
{{quote|And [the Idea Guys] said "nah, [your fix] didn't work, so-and-so undid your attempt". Chris' response was basically "dang".|[[Guard Dog]] Marvin on the extent of the Idea Guys' control over Chris's psyche.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/cryzel-torture.45450/post-3558042</ref>}}


On 26 December, the Idea Guy informed Chris that citizens of CWCville who refused to accept [[SLGBTQ]] formed a homophobic klan and attacked the [[CWCville Shopping Center|CWCville Mall]], and rioted after the trial of [[Jamsta]] for molesting [[Punchy Sonichu]]. In the same message, he mentioned that the [[TrollBusters]] have been reformed into the "CWCstapo", an obvious (though lost on Chris) reference to the [[wikipedia:Gestapo|Gestapo]], the secret police of Nazi Germany, to "be better at stopping criminals".<ref name=jamsta>[[December 2017 Facebook posts#Jamsta molested Punchy]]</ref> The update contains the line "A police state is a Country run by CRIMINALS", a quote from ''Fatherland'', a novel set in an alternate timeline in which Nazi Germany won World War II.
[[File:Text with John Yamada.png|thumb|100px|Chris took diligent notes on Wise's lore.]]


A few weeks later, on 16 January, Chris was told that the [[Christine Doll|MLP doll he had customized to his image]] was, in fact, bugged by Nazis. He took vengeance by [[smashing]] it to pieces on camera. A few days later, Chris destroyed his Christmas tree and a photo of Hulk Hogan in [[Get Out, You D*** Nazis!‎]] for the same reason.
After convincing Chris of his persona John Yamada's ability to access [[CWCville]]'s dimension, Idea Guy Wise began to manipulate Chris's beliefs and insert his own ideas. He also undermined Chris's attempts to restore his fantasy world; as Wise put it: "Chris thinks he has a psychic link to Cwcville, but every time he tries to change a scenario to his will, I always say it fucks up and makes things worse."<ref name=jamstajail></ref>


===CWCville elections===
[[File:CWCville jamsta riots.jpg|thumb|left|150px|Wise tricked Chris into believing this image depicts protesters in CWCville rioting upon [[Jamsta]]'s acquittal for molestation.<ref name=jamstajail>[[Idea Guy Q&A#Chris tries to keep Jamsta out of jail]]</ref> Photo is actually an image from the 1992 Los Angeles riots.]]
On 26 November, Chris broke his longstanding policy barring elections in CWCville by announcing that the position of mayor was up for election.<ref>[[November 2017 tweets#CWCville mayoral election]]</ref> The mayoral candidates included several notorious historical figures, Russian president Vladimir Putin, actor [[wikipedia:Brendan Fraser|Brendan Fraser]], [[Ian Brandon Anderson]] and ''[[Video games|Payday 2]]'' character [[Bob]] McKendrick. Incumbent [[Allison Amber]] did not run for reelection. Chris himself endorsed McKendrick, due to him sharing a name with his father, with a slogan ripped off from [[Pmurt]]'s "Make America Great Again".


A few days later, Chris announced another election for chief of police.<ref>[[November 2017 tweets#CWCville Chief of Police election]]</ref> The candidates were Ian Brandon Anderson (again), "[[wikipedia:Manuel Noriega|Man-Ewell Noriega]]", and two serial killers.
For example, in December 2017, Wise told Chris that [[Jamsta]] had been arrested for molesting [[Punchy]] and Tails. Chris, not liking this development, tried to have Jamsta acquitted. He tried using his psychic link to CWCville to convince the judge to acquit Jamsta, but Wise countered by telling Chris that the judge didn't believe him since he had stepped down as mayor. Chris then tried to influence the jury, but Wise again countered by telling him that while it worked and Jamsta was acquitted, as consequence, a mob was out to get Jamsta, sending a photo of rioting as proof.<ref name=pretend></ref>


Brendan Fraser won the mayoral election and took office sometime in December;<ref name=jamsta></ref> Ian Brandon Anderson won the vote for chief of police but Chris has yet to confirm that he has taken office.
[[File:Satanic angelica.jpg|thumb|150px|Chris illustrated [[Angelica]] as a Satanist for ''[[Sonichu 13]]'', following lore from Wise.]]
In another example, Wise role-played as the Chris of CWCville and claimed to be a Satanist, and that Atheism, ''Neptunia'', and Islam were the main beliefs of CWCville, as Christianity had been forgotten after he had stepped down as mayor. The real-world Chris reacted to this information by saying [[Angelica]] would enforce Christianity again, and Wise countered by telling him Angelica became a Satanist and more people were converting to Islam.<ref name=pretend></ref>


===Trans Rosechu===
[[File:Sonichu 16 page-4.JPG|thumb|150px|left|Chris drew what he believed occurred with the Sega Dreamcast after Wise's suggestion influenced his own imagination.]]
[[File:Cwc imaginary gal-pal's penis.jpg |thumb|250px]]
Chris was also so suggestible under Wise's influence that at times Wise would float an idea and Chris's imagination would run wild with the concept. When Wise's John Yamada persona first contacted Chris, he used lore from the ''[[Hyperdimension Neptunia]]'' video game franchise to say that Chris's Sega Dreamcast console possibly contained a portal into CWCville. Chris decided to run the console for 24 hours, place his hand on it, felt a shock, and imagined that it meant the ''Neptunia'' goddess within it was possessing him.<ref>[[November 2017 Facebook posts#Sharing my body with a video game character]]</ref><ref>[[Idea Guy Q&A#Steam, Kiwi Farms and the Dreamcast shock|Wise denies that the Sega shock was his doing and says it was Chris's own stupidity.]]</ref> Furthermore, after having been in contact with Wise's ''Neptunia'' CPU goddess personas, Chris decided to abandon the Christian religion in favor of ''Neptunia'', and one reason he cited was that he could "actually communicate" with the ''Neptunia'' goddesses.<ref name=religionswitch></ref> Eventually, after the Idea Guys were ousted, the influence resulted in Chris identifying as a goddess, [[CPU Blue Heart]].
A distraught Chris posted to Facebook and Twitter in early December, saying that [[Rosechu]] had informed him that she was actually transgender, and had a penis up until the events of [[Sonichu 8|''Sonichu'' #8]], at which point she underwent advanced gender-reassignment surgery to become "Fully Woman" and enable her to give birth to her children.<ref>[[December 2017 Facebook posts#Is Rosechu a transwoman?]]</ref>


Chris, agitated about the prospect of altering his canon in such a significant way, put up a poll to ask fans whether Rosechu should stay trans or be retconned back to his original concept of her being female from birth, pointing out that Rosechu being trans would hurt him and that the other option would hurt her. This reaction was seen by spectators as trans-shaming towards Rosechu, who he believes to be real in another dimension. In essence, Chris wants to be accepted as trans, added a [[Robee Sonichu|ten-year-old]] trans-female to his comic, and forced Rosechu and the gang to fully accept and love Chris for coming out – [[Chris and hypocrisy|but refuses to believe Rosechu herself could possibly be trans]].
[[File:CWC gets kicked.jpg|thumb|200px|Modern CWCville Chris attacking past CWCville Chris after suggestions Wise planted in real-world Chris's mind.]]


===Other changes to ''Sonichu'' canon===
Chris's perception of his imaginary counterpart was influenced by Wise's ideas to a point the latter expressed surprise. Following a comment from Wise's Yamada persona on Nazis and Satanic powers, Chris believed his past CWCville counterpart had been kidnapped by Nazis and given Satanic powers.<ref name=suggestible>[[Idea Guy Q&A#Suggestible Chris]]</ref> Wise, pushing further, told the real-world Chris his past counterpart had abolished [[women's rights]] to enable his [[Love Quest]] and that he had helped the Nazis win World War 2. Chris then illustrated his modern CWCville counterpart confronting and assaulting his past CWCville counterpart over his actions.<ref name=fuckingsonichu>[[Idea Guy Q&A#Trolling Jessica Quinn, drawing of Chris fucking Sonichu]]</ref>
[[File:Neo Silvana.jpg|thumb|200px|Neo Silvana]]


[[Sonichu 15|''Sonichu'' #15]], a book Chris had wanted to use for a modern retelling of [[Sonichu 0|''Sonichu'' #0]] prior to his known interactions with the Idea Guy, has significant alterations to the canon of the comics. Sonichu's new birthday is given as April 20th, or "4/20" – representing the slang term "[[Tobacky#Cannabis|420]]", but also coinciding with Adolf Hitler's birthday and the anniversary of the Columbine massacre.
{{quote|In truth, I made a joke about the Nazis and Satanic powers, not realizing just how much he'd take it in.|Wise.<ref name=suggestible></ref>}}


Halfway through December, Chris exclaimed that [[Silvana]] had been lost in the past, but that there was a way to bring her back if his followers would "BELIEVE In Silvana Rosechu, and her Fullest Existence in Cwcville, Virginia, USA, Of All Timelines, Worlds and Dimensions!". She was revived in a new form, with her old one destroyed.<ref>[[December 2017 Facebook posts#Silvana lost in the past]]</ref>
In another example, after discussing his [[medallion]] with John Yamada, who told him it was crafted out of Element 115 (as a reference to the ''Call of Duty'' video games<ref name=cwcvillenazis></ref>), Chris believed that Yamada had created a new medallion for him and that it would arrive in the mail and unlock his magical powers. This emboldened Chris to begin making plans to travel to meet the creator of [[Rosechu's Story]] and to confront [[Cole Smithey]] in New York, despite not knowing where either lived, believing he would magically learn their addresses. Wise became concerned and convinced Chris not to go on the trips.<ref>[[Idea Guy Q&A#Chris wants to visit Cole and Trickie]]</ref>


On 5 January, Chris posted that [[Magi-Chan]] and his mentor, Mewtwo, had gotten married – showing that gay marriage is indeed legal in CWCville.<ref name=gaymarriage>[[January 2018 Facebook posts‎‎#Mewtwo and Magi-Chan married]]</ref> They now live as a "loving [[Chris and English|triage]]" with [[Silvana]].
===Influences to Chris's fantasy land/sense of reality===
{{main|List of beliefs brainwashed into Chris}}


After Idea Guy was outed and his involvement ceased, Chris resumed uploading pages for [[Sonichu 12-9|''Sonichu'' #12-9]]. In it, jokes and references inserted by Idea Guy survived: [[Night Star]] and [[Jessica Quinn|Diamond Melody]] order a hotdog from a Tesco merchant (Tesco had a scandal involving selling beef with horse meat to customers). Night Star also rambles about her age, giving references to ''Gears of War''.<ref>[[November 2017 Patreon posts]]</ref>
The Idea Guys influenced and brainwashed into Chris [[:Category:Concepts influenced by Idea Guy|many alterations to his fantasy world]] including his [[imaginary friends]] and his imaginary city [[CWCville]]. These include [[Wild Sonichu]] becoming a drug addict, the creation of [[Bundychu]] (who befriends the spirit of Chris's late father), [[Brendan Fraser]] being elected the mayor of CWCville, and several other concepts.


==="Translated" dialogue===
[[File:Sonichu 15 revision tail.png|thumb|left|Chris digitally and physically revised bits from the Sonichu comic to match up with the new Idea Guys lore. In this example, he altered a page from [[Sonichu 15]] to match Wise's assertion that [[Rosechu]] had been born as a male, indicated with a pointy tail (left: original image; right: a slip of paper glued over the original page.)]]
In November and December, Chris drew what he believed to be artwork featuring [[Sailor Moon]] characters conversing with his comic counterpart in foreign languages. However, he was actually tricked into writing "I am carrying a penis", among other things, in Japanese.<ref>[[November 2017 Patreon posts#Chris writes about dicks, thinks it's his signature]]</ref>


A month later, more "translated" art was posted,<ref>[[December 2017 Facebook posts#"Translated" Sailor Moon drawings]]</ref> this one featuring the [[Wikipedia:Meine Ehre heißt Treue|SS motto]] as well as German lines from the video games ''Brothers in Arms'' and ''Wolfenstein: The New Order''. In addition, Chris tried to write the "I am carrying a penis" line again, although he accidentally wrote it with a typo.
They also pushed his fantasy escapism further away from reality. Chris, who had been believing he could interact with imaginary friends prior to the Idea Guys, such as when he [[Dancing with Magi-Chan|danced with Magi-Chan in public]], had his beliefs validated and encouraged by the Idea Guys.


The German translations in particular put Chris's [[naïve|naïveté]] on full display, with some of the German dialogue featuring words such as "Zebra", "Evolution" and "Universum", which are similar or identical to English counterparts that are obviously absent in the supposed translations, yet [[Slow-in-the-minds|he was none the wiser]].
In [[December 2017]], Wise told Chris that ''Hyperdimension Neptunia'' goddess Neptune would be waiting to meet him at a GameStop; Chris decided to go to the Forest Lakes location (from which he [[List of places that have banned Chris|had been banned]]) and waited outside in [[Son-Chu|his car]], honking his horn and shouting her name, and then peered inside the store and scanned the interior looking for her.<ref>[[Idea Guy Q&A#Chris went to a GameStop to meet a Neptunia goddess]]</ref>


Chris's note congratulating Magi-Chan and Mewtwo on tying the knot contains Swedish text giving a shout-out to [[Kiwi Farms]].<ref name=gaymarriage></ref>
In [[January 2018]], Chris believed that imaginary friends [[Magi-Chan]] and his father figure and mentor, [[Mewtwo]], had gotten married in a "loving [[Chris and English|triage]]" with [[Silvana]].<ref name=gaymarriage>[[January 2018 Facebook posts‎‎#Mewtwo and Magi-Chan married]]</ref> Two months later, the Idea Guys pushed further and got Chris to believe he married Magi-Chan and became a part of the [[polyamorous marriage]]. Additionally, they brainwashed Chris into believing this made him [[bisexual]].


===Other content===
The Idea Guys also used their influence to trick Chris into exercising. Around March 2018, Chris began to exercise as they told him he needed to be in shape while in [[CWCville]],<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-bad-beginning.45651/post-3576763</ref> working out with dumbbells as seen in [[One-Hundred!]] and joining the gym [[Anytime Fitness]]. His exercise habits continued sporadically for a time after the Idea Guys were ousted, though his interest in it faded away eventually.<ref>[[Treadmill]]</ref>
On 7 December, Chris posted a "dark" [[Pokémon]] fan theory, lamenting that Pokémon are kept in suspended animation with "NO Simulated Fields made from Virtual Reality! NO Living Room Apartment Setting! NOTHING! Suspended Animation in Dark".<ref>[[December 2017 Facebook posts#What it's like in a Pokeball]]</ref>


On 11 December, Chris performed a supposed "[[Cherokean Chant]]", which in fact involved mimicking the "squatting Slav" meme and reciting Internet meme quotes from the ''S.T.A.L.K.E.R.'' video game series, all while [[Alcohol|drunk on half a fifth of vodka]].
[[File:69 Sonichus.jpg|thumb|200px|[[The 69 Destined Sonichus and Rosechus]], a list the Idea Guys planted into Chris's mind.]]
The Idea Guys also left a heavy influence on the ''Sonichu'' comic and its canon - and by extension, Chris's imaginary friends. Many details were revised by Chris following the lore they laid out, such as Sonichu's birthdate (switched to 4/20, both a reference to Adolf Hitler's birthdate and to marijuana), the date of the [[rainbow]] which created Sonichu (changed to 1 February 2003, a reference to the Columbia Space Shuttle disaster), and [[Magi-Chan]]'s age (changed to 69 years old, a sexual reference).


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They also affected plot points and the direction of the comic from ''[[Sonichu 12-9|Sonichu #12-9]]'' onwards. This can be seen in ''Sonichu #12-9'' (which Chris worked on before, during, and after the Idea Guys were in power) - its plot veers sharply from Chris's interests, to the Idea Guys', then back again to Chris's. The following issue, ''[[Sonichu 13|Sonichu #13]]'' (or ''The Awakening of a CPU'', as titled by Chris), represents the Idea Guys' influence over him in comic form. It features a story on how Wise's John Yamada persona came to influence Chris over the idea of his Sega Dreamcast containing a portal to [[CWCville]]. In a page-and-a-half wall of text, Chris summarizes his adventures with Yamada and the ''Hyperdimension Neptunia'' cast, and the salvation of Gamindustri and CWCville from the invaders. The rest of ''Sonichu 13'' covers an incoherent series of plot threads over the topics the Idea Guys had brainwashed into Chris.


==Gallery of leaked content==
The [[Dimensional Merge]], a key influence to Chris's escapist habits, is thought to originate from the Idea Guys, though no chatlogs pertaining to it were publicly released, and the first public mention to it by Chris occurred months after their ousting. A small clue is in the Merge's start date being 18 November 2018<ref>https://twitter.com/CWCSonichu/status/1064201575994982400</ref> - the 40th anniversary of the {{w|Jonestown}} Mass Suicide - which aligns with the Idea Guys inserting dates of infamous historical events into ''Sonichu'' canon. According to [[Guard Dog]] Marvin, the Merge is an Idea Guy concept:
{{see also|Sonichu 16}}


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{{quoteboxgreen|It was an idea that the Idea Guy invented, but Chris didn't really pay enough attention to it as a concept until around when the [[Teen Troon Squad|teen troon squad]] showed up.
File:CWC gets kicked.jpg |Christine kicks Chris in the nuts.
File:CWC ded.jpg |Chris dies from testicular trauma.
File:CWC vs Hitler.jpg|Hitler is zapped to the extreme.
File:IdeaGuyCwc News Media.PNG|Used to reveal Cwcville's Russian occupation.
File:IdeaGuyCwc News Media3.jpg|Fake news about Count Graduon.
File:NaziDC.jpg|Still of a Nazi occupation
File:Nazi new york.png|A scene from The Man in High Castle used to trick Chris
File:Bobchu.jpeg|Bob as a Sonichu
File:Bundychu.jpeg|[[wikipedia:Ted Bundy|Ted Bundy]] as a Sonichu
File:PerceptorSonichu.jpeg|Perceptor Sonichu, adopted daughter of Magi-chan and Mewtwo
File:ChristineNude.jpeg|Self portrait of Christine in nude, recovered from the "Futanari virus".
File:CWCSonichu Rule34.jpeg|Chris butt-fucking Sonichu in comic form in order to fulfill a prophecy for [[Crystal]]'s birth.
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===Private messages===
Now it might've just been a coincidence, but it was around that time, Chris started seriously looking into the merge as a solution to his problems.}}


As Ballzymaker94, Idea Guy had contacted several members of Kiwi Farms through private messaging to discuss his trolling efforts. After he was doxed by the site's moderators on 22 January 2018, the users came forward to post the content he had shared with them.
==Early trolling==
Midway through November 2017, Chris's content began to include references designed to go over his head. On 14 November, he wrote that imaginary friend [[Silvana]] had been captured by [[Akan|a Russian billionaire]], and posted a photo of the soldier who would be rescuing her. This was recognized by spectators as a reference to the politically incorrect "Remove Kebab" internet meme. The soldier was to be part of [[Operation BARBarossa]], which consisted of historical references to World War 2. That same day, in what Wise termed "the first true exercise of trust",<ref>[[Idea Guy Q&A#Influencing Sonichu 12-9]]</ref> Chris recorded [[Freestyle Dance With Me, For Our World!]] while wearing a tinfoil hat to prevent "the man" from reading his mind. On 11 December, Chris performed a supposed "[[Cherokean Chant]]", which in fact involved mimicking the "squatting Slav" meme and reciting Internet meme quotes from the [[wikipedia: S.T.A.L.K.E.R|''S.T.A.L.K.E.R.'']] video game series, all while [[Alcohol|drunk on half a fifth of vodka]].


[[File:KF mod on ideaguy.png|thumb|200px|A Kiwi Farms moderator elaborates on why they forced the Idea Guy saga to end.]]
[[File:Drawing with Japanese text (closeup of signature).png|thumb|200px|right|Chris was tricked into believing the Japanese text translated to his signature, however, it translates to "I am carrying a penis."]]
Chris was also tricked into writing [[Bob Walks In Aftermath|edgy jokes in foreign languages]]. In November 2017, Chris posted artwork featuring [[Sailor Moon]] characters conversing with his CWCville counterpart; he was actually tricked into writing "I am carrying a penis", among other things, in Japanese.<ref>[[November 2017 Patreon posts#Chris writes about dicks, thinks it's his signature]]</ref> The drawing may have been the earliest instance of Wise's trickery, as it was dated 18 October 2017, falling in between Wise's initial contact and the debut of his John Yamada persona. In December, more art was posted,<ref>[[December 2017 Facebook posts#"Translated" Sailor Moon drawings]]</ref> this one featuring the [[Wikipedia:Meine Ehre heißt Treue|SS motto]] as well as German lines from the video games [[wikipedia: Brothers in Arms (video game series)|''Brothers in Arms'']] and [[wikipedia: Wolfenstein: The New Order|''Wolfenstein: The New Order'']]. Chris also tried to write the "signature" line again, although he accidentally wrote it with a typo. The German translations in particular put Chris's [[naïve|naïveté]] on full display, with some of the German dialogue featuring words such as "Zebra", "Evolution" and "Universum", which are similar or identical to English counterparts that are obviously absent in the supposed translations. A January 2018 post congratulating [[Magi-Chan]] and [[Mewtwo]] on tying the knot also contained Swedish text giving a shout-out to [[Kiwi Farms]].<ref name=gaymarriage></ref>


He had not shared all of his content and chat logs over PM, and generally summarized his interactions with Chris. He offered to trade in all of his information in exchange for the moderators removing the dox of his family members, however, they refused the deal on the grounds that they felt his public trolling output had been boring.
==Escalation==
[[File:Smashing (720p 30fps H264-192kbit AAC).mp400002.png|thumb|150px|A still from [[Smashing]] showing the destroyed [[Christine Doll]].]]


One user had a lengthy conversation with him, spanning from 3 December to 18 December 2017. In it, Idea Guy discusses how he had gained Chris’s trust, how Chris reacted to some of his ideas and mentions content which had not been publicly released, such as Chris wanting intel on whether Jessica Quinn was actually a troll, how Chris tried to prevent [[Jamsta]] from being jailed for molestation and Chris’s attempts to interact with Neptunia goddesses.
The manipulation of Chris over his fantasy world gradually escalated. In [[January 2018]], Wise role-played as [[Nazis]] and led Chris to believe they had bugged his [[Christine Doll]]. Chris retaliated by destroying it in [[Smashing]]. Days later, Chris also destroyed his miniature Christmas tree in [[Get Out, You D*** Nazis]].


The messages are quoted below, with the user's side of the conversation redacted (except for context on Idea Guy's comments).
[[File:Cryzel Torture chatlog excerpt.png|thumb|left|200px|Wise and Boyd team up to manipulate Chris during [[Cryzel Torture]].]]


{{quotebox|what are your thoughts on the troll so far?}}
By [[April 2018]], the Idea Guys had a sadistic hold over Chris's beliefs. In [[Cryzel Torture]], one of the leaked chatlogs from late that month, Wise role-played as [[wikipedia: Sword Art Online|''Sword Art Online'']] character Pitohui and graphically described torturing Chris's imaginary wife, [[Cryzel]], for several hours, with Boyd providing backup.


{{quotebox|I’m not saying this for attention this time, but I really do know more than Kiwi does about the current troll. }}
According to [[The Captain]], at some point, Boyd told Chris to punch his mother. The Captain stated that, "There is no video or photographic evidence of Chris punching his mother.


{{quotebox| What I know is that a few of you have been talking to the troll already, and that what you guys are seeing is merely an exercise in control over Chris. You guys were right in that a close friend of Chris is responsible, but no, Chris isn’t being paid or under the influence of a sweetheart.
In a private chat with Wise, Chris claims that he punched his mother at Boyd's insistence for failing a quiz or some shit like that. Chris states to Wise that Boyd told him to "Punch your mother" and Chris claims to Wise that he did it."<ref>{{cite farms|thread=41369|post=3563096}}</ref>


The [[Sonichu 12-9|Nightstar comic]] is almost done, with some jokes Chris didn’t bother googling }}
Wise often forced Chris to have phone sex with him, though there is no recording of these calls.<ref>[[Kiwi_Farms_posts_(The_Captain)#Phone_Sex]]</ref>


{{quotebox|By exercise, I mean that this was planned and not some Ween winging it. Chris posting about concentration camps and stuff was showing that they got into Chris’s fantasy land, and that they had implemented changes with Chris’s approval. }}
{{clear}}


{{quotebox|On top of all that, Chris himself believes a lot of this, including that shit about IBA running to help fight off the mysterious Russian billionaire. Chris forgot about quite a bit of the [[Liquid Chris]] saga, but still hates [[Bluespike|Bluspike]] like it was yesterday.}}
==Blackmail and extortion allegations==
{{see also|2018 Sales Listings}}


{{quotebox| To answer your question, expect more in the near future, including changes to the comic that may reduce the [[Chris and writing|wall-o-text]].
{{quote|So naturally once they have Chris believing [they can destroy CWCville], they have Chris confessing to being a pedophile and raping his mother. Once they have those confessions, they threaten to release it to the public if he doesn't record himself shitting on the floor and punching himself in the face until tears and snot are running down his chin. At one point, they ask Chris to punch his mother, which he does (though he claims lightly).|Guard Dog Null describing the Idea Guys' sadistic exploitation of Chris.<ref name=tcce>[[The Chris-Chan Extortionists]]</ref>}}


Also for the most part, this guy is working alone. }}
[[File:Discord3.jpg|thumb|200px|The fictional superweapon Kadingir, as depicted in anime series ''Symphogear''. The Idea Guys used this image to con Chris into believing they had the capability to destroy the moon and CWCville.<ref name=bad>[[The Bad Beginning]]</ref>]]


{{quotebox|Good, I was kinda busy when I answered these so I'm sorry the answers aren't clear.
The [[Guard Dogs]] alleged that the Idea Guys managed to extort $6,000 worth of gift cards, video games, and other accessories from Chris by threatening to destroy his imaginary city [[CWCville]]: In addition to that, Boyd also demanded $20,000,<ref name=bad></ref> or else he would report Chris as a pedophile to the FBI.<ref name=tcce></ref> Guard Dog [[The Captain]] also stated that the Idea Guys had "forced Chris to record a series of videos to his Google Drive [...] in order to use them as leverage against him in the future," which included content such as [[Tour of Chris's House III]], [[Chris slaps himself]], and an unreleased two-hour video of Chris reacting to "grotesque pornography".<ref name=tcce></ref>


Yeah, I am in fact, the troll in question. I'm not telling everyone here because I'm kinda working on something bigger with Chris. I've been doing this mostly alone for over a month now, and I'm not doing this for my entry into Christory or anything. I just like fucking with people and frankly, I'm pushing to finish this pony shit faster(which is working).
The Idea Guys, while role-playing as fictional characters, had convinced Chris they had the means to destroy CWCville. Wise, posing as anime series ''Symophogear'' villain Finé - whose backstory involves being the creator of a particle-ion cannon titled Kadingir with the capability to destroy the moon<ref>https://symphogear.fandom.com/wiki/Kadingir</ref> - claimed that the destroyed moon chunks would then fall onto CWCville. Idea Guy Boyd, posing as Gwen Mikoto, affirmed Wise's claims and also threatened to erase the dimension in which CWCville resides by nuking it.<ref name=bad></ref>


Here's where it kinda gets fucked. Chris actually doesn't know about the Nazi jokes he just told. What really happened was some white knight tried to explain to him that he was making Holocaust references, and the thing was that I saw that coming beforehand. So I told him that anyone who said otherwise was a troll.
When the Guard Dogs rescued Chris from the Idea Guys' influence, they told him the moon destroying weapon did not exist and Chris became "extremely angry" at the revelation.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-chris-chan-extortionists.45366/post-3550216</ref>


Really, convincing Chris all this is happening RL isn't as hard as you might expect. In fact, all it takes is one of the free photo editing sites and Audacity to make Cwcville come to life. I actually once took audio from him during an interview and edited it(poorly) to make it sound like Christine was talking to random people fighting to save Cwcville. }}
The Idea Guys had [[brainwashed]] Chris into believing himself a pedophile by telling him that the [[BlueSpike]] cyber sex logs and having had crushes on high school classmates during high school counted as pedophilia. After being freed from their influence, Chris no longer believed it.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-bad-beginning.45651/post-3577677</ref>


{{quotebox|
[[File:Moon threat excerpts The Bad Beginning chatlog.png|thumb|left|200px|Excerpts from [[The Bad Beginning]] chatlog in which the Idea Guys use the threat of moon chunks leveling CWCville to pressure Chris.]]
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{{quotebox|But what really won Chris over was this first-time audio I did to make him think the Neptunia characters were in our world, and this was a battle between them and the mystery Russian Billionaire's forces.
To pay off the Idea Guys, Chris raised money from [[eBay]] sales of his toys and pieces of the Chandler hoard. Guard Dog [[The Captain]] stated that the Idea Guys "were telling him what to sell/urging him to dig through more boxes, etc. in an effort to find things to hawk on eBay to make money for them."<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/financhu-crisis-chris-sells-his-stuff-megathread.41369/post-3675397</ref> In addition, $1,200 gifted to him from [[Jack Jankowski]], meant to go towards attending [[BronyCon 2018]], was sent to the Idea Guys. Though this were not enough to satisfy their demands, as in April 2018, Chris withheld a [[14 Branchland Court#Mortgage|mortgage payment]], putting the Chandlers at severe risk of losing their home.<ref>[[WE NEED MONEY FOR MORTGAGE NOW, PLEASE]]</ref>


Wanna hear it? }}
On 24 April 2018, with Chris in dire financial straits, the Idea Guys influenced him into posting a tweet offering to [[Chris and sex#Prostitution|prostitute]] himself.<ref>[[April 2018 social media posts#Will provide house tour and suck dicks for money]].</ref> He stated his price to be $50 for blowjobs and $100 for butt sex.<ref>[[:File:NAME YOUR PRICE!!.jpeg]]</ref> Days later, the Idea Guys were removed from power by the [[Guard Dogs]], and the situation did not escalate further. In May, Chris disavowed the prostitution messages and stated that he had been coerced into making them.<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20191107173201/https://twitter.com/cwcsonichu/status/993693423084318720</ref>


{{quotebox|Well it got to the point where he realized just how fucked up his old comics were.  
Chris kept each of the invoices and receipts from the transactions he made for the Idea Guys. The Guard Dogs received screencaps and photos of the receipts, hoping to use the items as evidence in an official investiation; when that fell through, Guard Dog Null posted them publicly to the Kiwi Farms forum.<ref name=tcce></ref>


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File:IdeaGuyExtortionGift.png|Email confirmation of an item Chris bought for Boyd.
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File:IdeaGuyReceipts1.jpg|Receipts of items Chris bought for Wise and Boyd, including Amazon and Steam gift cards.
File:IdeaGuyReceipts2.jpg|Chris retained many receipts.
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{{quotebox|You see, I've been studying Chris on my downtime a few months ago. It's really about knowing how to catch his attention(Neptunia), and then treating it like it's real. Because he sees Sonichu as being present with him, all that needed was someone else confirming they exists. What made me important here was being nice and not white knighting, but not openly trolling him.
A few people on KF are aware of me, and have promised not to say anything as well. I'm not competing with other trolls as we speak, but every now and then some Ween would come and make shit hard to do. As for the white knight, her name was [[Kim Wilson|Kim something]]...some RL friend and white knight of his. Chris came to me about this, and instead of getting suspicious of me, he got mad about Kim and vented about her accusations of him being a white supremacist on a post.


Every post he's done is all him. I simply suggest and he takes to twitter. It's starting to seep into his Comics too. }}
==Removal from power==
===January 2018===
An early attempt to stop Wise's influence over Chris was made in January 2018. At the time, there had been no indication of the extortion or sadistic manipulation over Chris that was to come; the intervention was made, according to a Kiwi Farms moderator, because the output of his early manipulation was "total trash."<ref name=sneasel>[[:File:Yawning Sneasel comment on first Idea Guy dox.png]]</ref>


{{quotebox| Oh, and part of why I'm not fully coming out with this information is because Chris lurks Kiwi to see if Jessica posts anything about him(he hasn't fully gotten over her like he said he did). It's one thing if I pretend I'm some attention whore shitposter. It's another when he sees the texts and pics I share. }}
{{quote|We have seen all we needed to see and nothing more would be gained from seeing more [[Cherokean Chant|squatting, tracksuits]] and the introduction of Pepechu.|Yawning Sneasel, one of the Kiwi Farms moderators involved with the first doxing.}}


{{quotebox|By the way, he has been fairly active on [[Steam]] lately. I snagged a couple pics of him during a game of payday(I can confirm he's playing that now, which he also thinks is a realistic depiction of the cops). }}
On 22 January 2018, Wise was doxed on Kiwi Farms<ref name=22jandox>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/idea-guy-joshua-wise-manipulating-the-intellecutally-disabled-for-fun-megathread.37132/post-2984638 (Archive https://archive.fo/fmLt3)</ref> and the [[dox]] of his family members was included as a deterrent.<ref name=sneasel></ref> However, Wise persisted in contact with Chris - one of Chris's drawings of Wise's character [[Kun T'Nyuget]] was made the next day,<ref>[[:File:Also, Introducing Kun T’Nyuget.png]]</ref> implying Wise did not cut communications with Chris.


{{quoteboxgreen|Oh and one more, did you suggest [[Hyperdimension Neptunia|Neptunia]] to him, or did he find it on his own?}}
Chris's social media output over the next few months gradually indicated that he was under manipulation. The public, uncertain over whether it was Wise again, referred to the resurgence as "Idea Guy 2.0", and it was later alleged by the Guard Dogs that Wise was part of it.


{{quotebox|He already knew about it, but I got him into it as a way of helping me get closer to him.
{{quote|He got doxed, people forgot about him, and instead of thinking "hmm, boy, I dodged a bullet! well, better safe than sorry, let's pack it in!".


As for Kiwi, he has no idea I'm here. He just comes on here enough to make him still hate this site to today(which he doesn't elaborate on how much that is, so I'm left to interpret that). I convinced him to not bug Jessica by convincing him that Jessica was Arfoire, the main antagonist of Neptunia.
He goes "AUGH YEAH, coast's clear, start 'er back up again!"|[[Guard Dog]] Marvin.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-chris-chan-extortionists.45366/post-3551679</ref>}}


Chris has [[Computers|a pretty decent rig]], but Payday is designed to run on low end specs as long as you turn down the graphics. }}
===April 2018===
{{main|The Chris-Chan Extortionists‎}}


{{quotebox|Of all the paint jobs for his getaway van, Chris opted for the ice cream truck...
[[File:The Captain Amnyfest Ring photoshop (compressed from original).jpg|thumb|200px|[[The Captain]]'s photoshopped image of Chris's [[Amnyfest Ring]], used to convince Chris to trust him instead of the Idea Guys.]]


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In April 2018, [[The Captain]] was informed by people close to Chris that they suspected he was being manipulated and extorted. In that same month, the Idea Guys forced Chris to sell his [[Amnyfest Ring]] on [[eBay]] - the buyer was The Captain. Borrowing from the Idea Guys' tactics, The Captain used the ring as a tool to gain Chris's trust by playing into his fantasies, role-playing about [[Magi-Chan]]<ref>The Captain's Kiwi Farms posts [https://kiwifarms.net/threads/financhu-crisis-chris-sells-his-stuff-megathread.41369/post-3767203 here] (archive: https://archive.fo/cIVI0) and [https://kiwifarms.net/threads/financhu-crisis-chris-sells-his-stuff-megathread.41369/page-142#post-3766239 here] (archive: https://archive.fo/ZJ1fB), and Chris's perspective from [[Sonichu 13]]'s epilogue</ref> and telling him the ring was sending him messages that the [[CPUs]] (personas used by the Idea Guys) were hacked and not to be trusted.
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{{quoteboxgreen|While I'm at it, what's the story of him getting electrocuted by his Dreamcast? Did that actually happen? Or did he make it up to justify that goddess possessing him?}}
{{quote|I simply told him that the ring was sending me morse code messages and that the [Idea Guys] were lying to him. So I did a five minute photoshop of the ring glowing and sent it to Chris as well as a piece of notepaper where I wrote "The CPUs have been hacked. Don't trust the CPUs" claiming that was the morse code message.


{{quotebox| Chris is good on only Normal. Anything else and we’re doing everything for him.
Sure enough, Chris believed it [...] and proceeded to give me his passwords and everything else - that's how we got to where we are today. [...] Without that ring we may NEVER have found out what happened|The Captain.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/posts/3566885/ (Archive https://archive.fo/WBwyL)</ref>}}


Chris thinks I have Sailor Mercury’s special computer to analyze pics he sends(he sent me lewds of [[Jessica Quinn|Jessica]] to analyze too). }}
Trusting The Captain, Chris gave him direct access to his accounts, including [[Discord]], so The Captain could "scan for viruses".


{{quotebox| The Dreamcast was out of his own stupidity. I had nothing to do with that. }}
{{quote|When I logged onto the Discord I was appalled - the level of absurdity that these guys had gone to in order to take advantage of Chris was beyond belief. I saw the constant requests for money, threats, blackmail, etc. and Chris' responses and was simply floored. They were forcing Chris to post videos, Twitter statuses, etc. all in order to get their kicks in addition to the constant requests for money|The Captain,<ref name=tcce></ref>}}


{{quotebox|No, he never met Jessica RL. I'm not in contact with her either, but I would like to talk to Jessica one day. Is she a troll too? I dunno much other than she has a nice ass. }}
The Captain teamed up with [[Marvin]] to gather evidence. Telling Chris to take a break from the Internet - and to catch up on TV shows the Idea Guys had banned him from watching - The Captain, with Marvin's coaching, role-played as Chris in the Idea Guys' Discord server to stall while Marvin worked to capture the Discord chatlogs.


{{quotebox| In fact, he has lewds of Jessica and a nude supposedly from [[Jackie]](her head isn't in the shot, so it might as well be a fake). }}
{{quote|At one point [the Idea Guys] wanted Chris to post photographic evidence that he was indeed himself, writing a message on a dry erase board. I had Chris take said picture for me and then forwarded it to them, etc. Eventually, @Marvin built a script to rip the chat logs from Discord, which amounted to hundreds of pages of autistic debauchery in which these speds took advantage of Chris. When the script was finished and we had the chat logs and images we simply went silent on the Discord and a couple days later Wise and Boyd got freaked out and attempted to sanitize it, banning Chris from the channel and deleting every private message they had sent him one by one.|The Captain.<ref name=tcce></ref>}}


{{quoteboxgreen|IIRC, Jackie is [REDACTED]. So yeah, that one is a fake. }}
On 29 April, Chris referenced the Idea Guys' removal from power over Twitter.


{{quotebox|Oh shit, seriously? Well I knew it was too good to be true with Jackie.
{{quote|feeling blessed.


He wanted me to see if they were legit or trolls. I told him Jackie was from the Neptunia universe, and so was Jessica. }}
I am aware that many people are worried about me. Do Not Fear! I am in a Good Place and everything will be Okay! Things will be figured out soon enough.|Chris.<ref>[[April 2018 social media posts#I know people are worried]]</ref>}}


{{quotebox| By the way, I should mention that Chris now feels remorse for ending the relationship with Jackie, since I confirmed she was "real". }}
A month later, Chris revealed a bit more, saying he had "very Powerful Allies helping to rectify the situation. I can't say much other than certain people should be Very Frightened right now!"<ref name=stillbelievingmarriage>[[May 2018 social media posts#On the Cryzel and Magi-Chan relationship and being blackmailed]]</ref>


{{quotebox|One other thing I should mention is that Chris thinks he fucked up big with having his new medallion crafted out of Element 115(Nazi Zombies reference FTW), which was stolen by a time traveling Hitler, and the Chris from the comics was taken too. Now Cwcville is under the control of the Nazis, and this is what he thinks Cwcville(along with the US) looks like in his imagination land.
===Attempted return===
According to [[The Captain]], one of the Idea Guys attempted to engage with Chris once more, but Chris rejected it.


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{{quote|And then everything just sort of settled down for several weeks. At one point Chris received some texts from either Boyd or Wise attempting to roleplay {{w|The Dark Tower (series)|the Dark Tower}} with him, to which Chris replied, "I'll do it for $6,000!" and naturally, they didn't message again.|The Captain.<ref name=tcce></ref>}}
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{{quotebox|I’m gonna make his comic worth reading. The pony stuff is boring, so I’m going to throw in more jokes Chris won’t bother googling. }}
==Reported to authorities==
{{quote|Chris did eventually print my IC3 report and hand it in to the station himself [...] Since then it has been dead air. No one has contacted Chris, no one has contacted me, no one has done anything.|Guard Dog [[Null]] describes his frustrations with the lack of an investigation.<ref name=tcce></ref>}}


{{quotebox|[[File:Sonichu12-9 cap-min.jpeg|150px]]}}
With their archives of the Idea Guys' Discord chatlogs with Chris, as well as Chris providing the receipts and invoices of gifts sent to them, the [[Guard Dogs]] attempted to report the Idea Guys to the authorities.


{{quotebox| Look at that pic and spot the joke }}
Null contacted the Greene County Sheriff, local to Chris, to discuss the matter. The sheriff interpreted things as a matter of choice from Chris. Null also contacted the FBI, both through their online contact form and also by handing a copy to an FBI agent, as the alleged extortion occurred across state lines. Chris later took a printed copy of Null's report to his local police station and turned it in. However, there have been no signs of an investigation as Null and Chris were not contacted back.<ref name=tcce></ref>


{{quotebox|Actually no, the Tesco logo on the hotdog vendor.
== Lingering influence ==


Look up Tesco and horses xD }}
{{quote|If you want BAD DIRECTION, you should look up Idea Guy.|Chris, in the middle of restating his belief that he is married to [[Cryzel and Magi-Chan]], an Idea Guy concept.<ref>[[June 2018 social media posts#Sonichu 12-9 approaches completion]]</ref>}}


{{quoteboxgreen| Also, I am bemused that Chris is so willing to incorporate so much antagonistic stuff into his hugbox. Like, I get how he doesn't check. But the fact that you gave him such difficult to take images and he readily made CWCville into that is astonishing!
[[File:Digman (Dark Idea Guy) TSSSF.jpg|thumb|200px|"Dark Idea Guy" as envisioned by Chris months after the Idea Guys had been ousted.]]


He used to prize this thing very highly. I honestly don't know how you got him to even listen to you about this. }}
Despite the Idea Guys being removed from power in [[April 2018]], the damage to Chris’s sense of reality has lingered. Their actions gave him a sense of validation and boosted his confidence in his pre-existing beliefs about [[dimensions]] and psychically linking with his [[imaginary friends]].


{{quotebox| So I’m looking to cut down on the wall-o-text and add more jokes }}
Chris, though aware of the Idea Guys’ malevolence, continues to believe in many of the concepts they had instilled into him. The most notable being the [[Dimensional Merge]], which he believes will magically solve the [[Financhu Crisis]] and bring [[CWCville]]/[[C-197]] and all fictional characters to life; and lore from video game series ''[[Hyperdimension Neptunia]]'', in particular CPU goddesses, which crystalized into Chris believing he is [[CPU Blue Heart]]. Other concepts that Chris still holds on to include his [[bisexual]]ity,<ref>[[Copitz]] interview.</ref> his [[polyamorous marriage]] (which paused the [[Love Quest]] - [[Affair with Mother|temporarily, at least]]), [[Robertchu]], theories about [[Ted Bundy]],<ref>[[Count Dankula]] interview, June 2018.</ref> and the [[The 69 Destined Sonichus and Rosechus|69 Sonichus and Rosechus]].<ref>[[Nightstar is a very important Special Sonichu]]</ref>


{{quotebox| I simply passed it off as a good idea, and said anyone who said otherwise was a troll }}
On 3 August 2018, Chris posted [[Sonichu 13#Epilogue|an epilogue to ''Sonichu 13'']], which offered clues as to why he maintains belief in the Idea Guys' lore. In it, he stated that Wise's "slanderous, destructive efforts only strengthened my own psychic links with [[C-197|our world, there]]." To Chris, the Idea Guys had been "royally messing" with not only him, but also "literally" the Earth, [[Equestria]] and the CPU goddesses. Chris stated his belief that Wise, "has his own link and grasp of out [sic] world there" and that he ultimately restored [[CWCville]] and released the CPU goddesses from Wise's control.


{{quoteboxgreen|Don't. Wall of text is headache-inducing, but you have to let the autist be an autist. You know?
Guard Dog [[Marvin]] posted on Kiwi Farms on his opinion of Chris's continued belief in the Idea Guys' canon:


Were you behind the tinfoil remove kebab video? }}
{{quoteboxgreen|"[[Reality]]" is a malleable concept to Chris.


{{quotebox| Yeah, that was the first true exercise of trust. I’ll keep the texts then, and he confirmed all this will be in his next comic. }}
To Chris, that these losers were pretending to be imaginary characters doesn't mean they they didn't unwittingly connect with their counterparts in the other dimension or whatever. So yeah, he thinks Wise and Boyd were assholes who stumbled upon some magic or some shit.


{{quoteboxgreen|What were the opinions of the other Kiwis you talked to? no need to reveal who they are, but I'm interested in what they thought of the whole thing.}}
Chris is mostly mad about money first and being made to embarrass himself second.


{{quotebox|They found it all funny. They said keep going but don’t tell everyone just yet(it would also ruin the magic of the trolling and make me look like a ween).
In regards to why he still maintains a lot of their canon, it's because Chris is too invested in his imaginary world to give up on it so easily. I think after Wise and Boyd were outed, he felt really uncomfortable about retconning most of their changes. Because if he retcons the past six months, then fuck, why can't he retcon all of it? That would make him feel really uneasy about the possible reality of his imaginary world.


The audio may get loud a lot, since I was using crappy old earbuds while mixing the sounds. Let me find the file. }}
That reality is most important to him.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/page-816#post-4002093 (https://archive.md/9GYiD)</ref>}}


{{quoteboxgreen|Also one more thing:
{{quote|So, you just admitted you were and still are [[Chris and manipulation|manipulated]] by the Idea Guys. [[Dimensional Merge|The merge]], [[Messiah complex|the]] [[CPU Blue Heart|goddess]] [[Chris and religion|stuff]], all of it. Christine, if you’re still in there it’s not too late fix your life for the better. It’s ok to face [[Chris and reality|reality]]
|A concerned fan on Twitter in December 2020.}}


"I had Discord and Magi-Chan escort me personally on my Thursday outing to The End Games for Pokemon League and colouring my pages that I had at the time. I allowed Discord to enjoy some of the fun there. He watched a few Dungeon and Dragon-type games get played. I even allowed him to see if he could get one of my friends to notice and see him. But she didn't budge."
{{quote|No, that has been stopped in April, and made undone with [[Magical thinking|Chris' Aether and abilities]]. [[List of Chris's lies|We are not under the influence of IdeaGuy.]]|[[Christian Weston Chandler|Chris]], [[Spirit possession|"possessed" by]] [[Sonichu (character)|Sonichu]], denying the influence of the Idea Guys [[List of beliefs brainwashed into Chris|while clinging to the lore they tricked him into believing]].<ref>[[December 2020 social media posts#Ben Saint and Idea Guys]]</ref>}}


Do you know what the fuck was up with that? Especially the latter part?}}
Chris, in June 2021, stated that the Idea Guys made his Top 5 list of people who made the most negative impacts on his life (alongside [[Jakoba]], [[Michael Snyder]], [[BlueSpike]], and the staff at [[Nathanael Greene Elementary School]]). Though Chris blamed the Idea Guys "for their "Dimensions’ level of damage", he gave credit to them for validating his beliefs. As such, Chris believed that BlueSpike, the Nathanael Greene staff, and Michael Snyder had the most negative impacts on his life.<ref>[[June 2021 social media posts#Discussing trolls and other stuff]]</ref>


{{quotebox|So here's the story:
{{quote|Even though IdeaGuy did Dimensions’ level of damage, his impact has left me with further self-progression, analysis and appreciation, confidence boost, affirming the link between the separated universe halves with my consciousness, leading the way to chill my ego and whatnot in the needed self-healing and work.|Chris on why the Idea Guys did not make the top on his list of most negative people.}}


Basically I'm from the Hyperdimension, and we're here hunting in the forests of Chernobyl for a magical artifact(STALKER reference). Me, Nepgear, IF, and Neptune were camping late at night when Akan(the main antagonist of Hardcore Henry, and the original Russian Chris mentioned. I found it funny everyone assumed Putin since Chris forgot to name Akan) sends his mercenaries to attack me and the girls. IF and Neptune get away, but me and Nepgear are wounded and barely make it out before getting attacked by a cloaker(the same enemies from Payday Chris keeps mentioning). Just as I'm beaten down, he turns to Nepgear when Sailor Jupiter saves us both. She flees right as the Medic dozer(another Payday enemy) comes in to save us both.}}
== Idea Guy Q&A and other Kiwi farms shenanigans ==
{{main|Idea Guy Q&A}}
[[File:IdeaGuyKiwifarm.png|right|250px|thumb|Wise's Kiwi Farms Profile.]]
The ringleader of the Idea Guys, Joshua Wise, signed up to [[Kiwi Farms]] under the name Ballzymaker94 and had several private conversations with select users, soliciting feedback over his early schemes.


''He linked to the Red Forest clip.''
Aside from Wise. Boyd alongside with the Unnamed Canadian also had their own handlers on the site, under the names of NinFreakLan and de_DEVIL_tails respectively.<ref name=tcce></ref>


{{quotebox|What got me was the amount of editing mistakes I made, that he never caught onto(IE the guitar at the beginning abruptly cutting off). I made more that Chris actually kept falling for, but they're loud. Again, might wanna be careful of the volume when listening XD
One user from the [[Kiwi Farms]] had a lengthy conversation with Wise, spanning from 3 December to 18 December 2017 archived in the [[Idea Guy Q&A]]. In it, Wise discusses how he had gained Chris’s trust, and how Chris reacted to some of his ideas and mentions content which had not been publicly released. For example, Chris's inquiry on whether or not [[Jessica Quinn]] was actually a troll, how Chris tried to prevent [[Jamsta]] from being jailed for molestation, and Chris’s attempts to interact with Neptunia goddesses.


I have all the conversations saved, but it's a month's worth of chatting. }}
Wise also briefly conversed with other members of the forum, archived in [[Misc Idea Guy chats]]. After he was doxed by the site's moderators on 22 January 2018, many users came forward to post content and conversations that he had shared with them.


{{quotebox|That Discord thing...yeah, I had no idea what the fuck he was going on about. }}
He hadn't shared all of his content over PMs, generally only summarizing his interactions with Chris. After he was exposed, he offered to trade in all of his information in exchange for the moderators removing the dox of his family members. They refused on the grounds that they disliked his public trolling output and believed the dox would be an incentive for him to stay away from Chris,<ref name=sneasel></ref> a message which Wise ignored.


{{quotebox| So do I tell people when this is all over? I'm not sure how most trolls go out...I kinda entered this game late and quietly. I know I said I wasn't in this for the recognition in Christory, but it's still amusing to watch. }}
==Gallery==
 
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{{quotebox|I can’t hate Chris because I actually can relate to him on quite a bit.
File:Ideaguy poster.jpg|A nine-page poster Wise, role-playing as CPU Neptune, requested Chris to draw,<ref>[[:File:Leak14.jpg]]</ref> which he did for free.<ref>[[Misc Idea Guy chats#Chat with Kiwi Farms member 1]]</ref> Chris later said it's the drawing that took him the most effort.<ref>[[Discord Q&A 6#Drawing that took the most effort]]</ref>
 
File:Psychic Type Talk.jpg|Chris coped during the Idea Guys' reign by mentally retreating to [[CWCville]] and talking to his [[imaginary friends]] there.
My only worry is my plot. I jumped into this with the intention to see if Chris truly was this gullible, and it evolved into me full on trolling him. }}
File:Aether in the goddess ring.jpg|Chris believes he undid the Idea Guys' corruptions. However, he continues to maintain many beliefs they had brainwashed into him.
 
File:IdeaGuyMap.jpeg|A map Joshua Wise made.
{{quotebox|I can say that Chris knows the fact that he shortened his lifespan taking those hormones. In fact, I wouldn’t say he’s suicidal, so much as he’s fine with the idea he could die sooner. I dunno if it counts as his view of reality, but Chris thinks he might be able to have a baby once the transition is complete (I have nothing to do with that. Chris said it’s a possibility he could get pregnant). }}
File:Johnson wiles-min.jpg|Joshua Wise's [[OC]] Johnson Wiles, in [[TSSSF]] form.
 
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{{quotebox|Basically, the moment I brought up the multiverse, he listened. I told him that Kurome from Neptunia put a curse on my messages, which is why he didn’t ask for time stamps and pics. }}
 
{{quoteboxgreen|I find it interesting that he immediately believed you in everything the moment you reaffirmed his belief.
 
And he was already a believer in the Neptunia verse lol. }}
 
{{quotebox|I know! I was worried he was going along with it so he could fuck with me back. He believes this shit for real though because he tried to talk like Uzume(which sounds no different from how he normally talks, only he tried to raise his pitch and couldn’t pronounce the name of half the Neptunia characters). }}
 
{{quoteboxgreen|Please tell me you have a recording of that.
 
Where the fuck does he get that shit? Isolation does quite the number on the human brain.
 
Also, has he ever described to you the nature of his interaction with Sonichu and Co? }}
 
{{quotebox|No, I didn’t I’m afraid. I could only describe the horrors of the call. I do save the texts though. }}
 
{{quoteboxgreen|You need to jot down the details of the call in your notebook or something. Because it seems like it's too good to forget later. }}
 
{{quotebox|[[File:Text with John Yamada.png|150px]]}}
 
{{quotebox|Oh yes, he has! He sees them with his “third eye”, but longs to see them rl. I have the details jotted down btw. }}
 
{{quotebox| And no, John isn’t my name. I gave my name as John Yamada(Japanese for Doe) }}
 
{{quoteboxgreen|Chris is getting far far worse. }}
 
{{quotebox|TBH, that third eye he brought up was already a thing before I started talking to him. He told me on our first conversation that he could see Sonichu with it. }}
 
{{quotebox|As for the Satanic powers thing.
 
Chris looked back at his comics and was shocked to see how little respect he had in portraying women in his works. He thinks the Nazis kidnapped 2000s Chris and brought him back in time where they possessed him with Satanic powers and helped the Nazis win WW2.
 
In truth, I made a joke about the Nazis and Satanic powers, not realizing just how much he'd take it in. }}
 
{{quotebox|It's why I'm taking my time to present all this. I'll talk to [REDACTED], but I'm gonna keep going until more comes up.}}
 
{{quotebox|Well that's good. Once I finish, I think I'll stick around, but I don't think I'm gonna troll again after this. It's fun, but I was unemployed when I started. Now I'm starting back up work again XD
 
Anyway, I messaged [REDACTED], but I dunno if he'll respond. }}
 
{{quoteboxgreen|BTW, yours and maybe some of your friends' is showing in one of the Pay Day photos.. blur it out before sending them to anyone else.}}
 
{{quotebox|Oh shit, you're right. Thanks! XD
 
It was just me and Chris in that match. The rest of the names are NPCs. Here is the sad fact...I am Chris's only friend on Steam. }}
 
{{quotebox| How do I share the steam info? }}
 
{{quoteboxgreen|You don't do it now. Because you are the only friend on his list. People will look into you for sure because your steam profile sticks out like a sore thumb. Once you're done, you unfriend him, and then share it.
 
If you want to share this, then do it in private with someone you trust.
 
BTW this is why you should do things with a burner account. Because there's an element of risk here.
 
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/ween-hunting-season.35124/}}
 
{{quotebox|So much I didn’t know.
 
I agree on the steam thing, but some trolls found Chris already. I’m amazed no updates came of this. }}
 
{{quotebox|Yeah, Chris said some guy jumped in Chris’s game and taunted him for buying more games this month before hopping off }}
 
{{quotebox| CNN fake news, I believe his name was? }}
 
{{quotebox|Ah okay.
 
So yeah, a few people on Steam know he’s on Steam now. }}
 
{{quotebox| Thanks for all your help. I had an exit plan set but I could always use some help. }}
 
{{quotebox| I messaged [REDACTED]. Just waiting for him to reply. }}
 
{{quotebox| So far the talks with [REDACTED] and [REDACTED] have been well. They like the way it's going so far, but have offered a bit that I could use for this.
 
So there will be less Nazi stuff, but they made me realize that I can probably get more results by fucking with the Sonichu characters themselves, rather than just the world around them. Since Chris trusts me a lot, this shouldn't be too hard. }}
 
{{quotebox|Rosechu is confirmed transgender as of tonight. Chris was shocked but accepting xD }}
 
{{quotebox|I pretended to be both Sonichu and Rosechu, who borrowed my computer. All it took was a little knowledge on Sonichu and Chris believes he’s talking to his “children”.
 
Basically Rosechu admitted it when she told Chris she evolved from a male Raichu. }}
 
{{quotebox|What do you know about Jessica’s true identity? Who is she really? }}
 
{{quotebox| She’s back according to Chris }}
 
{{quotebox|So Chris gave me his facebook login to deal with Quinn so he didn't have to. I wound up hitting on her and making Chris sound fat(ter). On top of that, Sonichu got pregnant through anal with Chris.
 
[[File:CWCSonichu Rule34.jpeg|150px]]}}
 
{{quotebox|Quinn came back all flirty, so I hit on her back and she sent more lewds. Chris wasn't happy, but was at least relieved he didn't have to talk to her.
 
Chris accepted this because Magi-chan told him it was how Crystal was born. }}
 
{{quotebox|If you draw it happening, then you don't have to fuck Sonichu yourself. He'll already be pregnant, and you don't have to actually do nasty anal. }}
 
{{quoteboxgreen|And this is how you got him to do Christine kicking classic Chris in the balls? }}
 
{{quotebox|Actually no.
 
I told him Chris from the past abolished women's rights so he can go on his love quest. Chris got so pissed, especially after I told him that Classic Chris helped the Nazis win WW2. }}
 
{{quoteboxgreen|But didn't he write those old comics himself?
 
I am confused. }}
 
{{quotebox|You see, Chris is rather confused on the concept himself, but I pieced what I could together.
 
You see, he created Cwcville and all it's inhabitants, but does not see himself as a god. His comics, he considers chronicles largely based on the real life adventures of his alternate dimension self and the side characters. }}
 
{{quoteboxgreen|Why is Chris fearing Jessica? Why does he need you to login into his account and respond as him?
 
And did Jessica fall for it? What did she ask for? And how well did you Have to IMITATE Chris's unique typing style for her to fall for it?}}
 
{{quotebox|He thinks she's Arfoire from Hyperdimension Neptunia.
 
[[File:Arfoire Zero.png|150px]]
 
Also, not that hard. I basically had to just say a few things like he would, and Jessica's pants were off. }}
 
{{quotebox|He deleted the Rosechu thing because his feelings were hurt about the fact that fans were more interested in a trans Rosechu.
 
[REDACTED] already knows, and thinks it's funny I was hitting on Quinn. He said she wasn't real, and that the pics are likely from some camgirl. However, I still ask Quinn for them because Chris still reads the conversation, and is disgusted by who he thinks is the villain from Neptunia.
 
Chris thinks he has a psychic link to Cwcville, but every time he tries to change a scenario to his will, I always say it fucks up and makes things worse. I sent him pics of Cwcville after Jamsta Sonichu was put on trial for sexual harassment, and acquitted.
 
[[File:CWCville jamsta riots.jpg|150px]]}}
 
{{quotebox|This will all take place in his comic eventually, but it's gonna take a lot of effort to keep Chris from going around it. I'm ready for that though.
 
I actually have pretended to be Chris himself, but as a Satanist. The funny thing was I told Chris Atheism, the Neptunia CPUs, and Islam were the three main beliefs in Cwcville. Christianity had largely been forgotten in the time Chris stopped being mayor. He tried enforcing Christianity back into Cwcville, and all it did was create more people converting to Islam. Chris still intends to remove Islam, Satanism, and Atheism when he gets to Cwcville....somehow.
 
I basically took inspiration from Kevin Spacey on Jamsta, and made Jamsta sound like he molested both Tails and Punchy. They took him to court and despite Magi-chan's evidence against Jamsta, Chris demanded Jamsta be acquitted for his crimes. I then took inspiration from the Rodney King riots, and the Ukrainian riots, and told Chris people were out to get Jamsta.
 
Basically yes, that scenario you mentioned.
 
Chris is still under the delusion that he has a massive fanbase because of his comics.
 
Also, Chris thinks Quinn is trying to hurt him again. I dunno...the moment I told Quinn I put on a few extra pounds, I asked her to show me what it would look like if she sat on my face. She took off her pants and took a pic of her ass. }}
 
{{quotebox|By the way, Chris thinks THIS is Alec Benson Leary.
 
[[File:Alec as Bodhi.jpg|150px]]}}
 
{{quoteboxgreen|You didn't answer the semen question. }}
 
''The question was “Why is he mentioning semen draining?” regarding the drawing of Chris butt-fucking Sonichu.''
 
{{quoteboxgreen|BTW are you the one behind that Cherokian video? }}
 
{{quotebox|I kinda missed the semen question, sorry. I'm not too sure on that one right now.
 
He's trying to use his "Creator powers" to return Cwcville to it's original state before I showed up, but I keep telling him every time he does this, it causes more trouble than actual solutions.
 
He doesn't want Islam or atheism because it conflicts with his religion greatly in his mind. He tried to get Angelica to enforce Christianity, until I told him Angelica became a Satanist. Now he wants to take it upon himself to put Christianity back on as the dominant religion in Cwcville.
 
He already didn't like Quinn for leaving him, and it got worse the moment I told him she was a villain.
 
Chris tried using his "psychic powers" to convince the judge not find Jamsta guilty. All I said after that was that the judge wasn't convinced since Chris no longer is mayor. Chris then tried to influence the jury and I told him it worked, but now there is a city-wide riot.
 
The man in the picture is Bodhi, played by Edgar Ramirez in the recent remake of the movie, Point Break.}}
 
{{quotebox|and yes, I convinced Chris that the ancient Cherokeans wore tracksuits, drank vodka, and shouted "Cheeki breeki" as a war cry. [REDACTED] loved the idea. }}
 
{{quotebox|I was playing A LOT of Payday as Bodhi(he's also a crossover character in the game) when Chris messaged me asking if Alec and the other trolls were saved by becoming Amish, or if they were all executed. I told him they were, but Alec broke free and was evacuated by the Ex-Presidents gang(the gang Bodhi is part of in Point Break). I then said what the hell and made Alec in to Bodhi. [REDACTED].
 
Chris's excuse on the court issue was that he "didn't want Jamsta to suffer in jail" like he did.}}
 
{{quoteboxgreen|LOL is that why he stopped playing Payday?}}
 
{{quotebox|Actually no. Chris just stopped because some trolls unaffiliated with me and KF found him and started fucking with him in games. I forgot to tell him he could set his games to private or friends only, but oh well. }}
 
{{quoteboxgreen|How do you know that their affiliations? }}
 
{{quotebox|Because someone would have shared it on here by now. }}
 
{{quotebox|I do intend to share his steam by the end of all this. }}
 
{{quotebox|Oh fuck dude. Chris is gonna try running to New York this Monday! }}
 
{{quotebox|I’m being honest to God when I say that I’m not telling him to do this. He wants to use his Sonichu powers to run to New York to confront [[Cole]] for some reason. }}
 
{{quotebox|He thinks he can unlock his powers today, and is even skipping church for it. }}
 
{{quotebox|He knows Barbara isn’t doing well, so rather than getting a real job to support her before she passes so she knows he can move on after her death, Chris is deciding to go to New York to “convince” Cole to make amends with Barb.
 
Chris thinks a new magical medallion is coming in the mail, which he thought meant it unlocks all his power. }}
 
{{quotebox|He thinks he can magic up the address.
 
He thinks I made him a new medallion out of element 115.
 
He also wants to visit [[Rosechu's Story|Trickie]]. }}
 
{{quotebox|Pretty much Chris has been wanting to confront Cole for a couple years now. I had nothing to do other than discourage Chris from trying to confront Cole.
 
No such medallion exists. It’s more like Chris assumes it exists because he wants it to.
 
Chris wants to get Trickie’s autograph or something. He hasn’t been clear on that. }}
 
{{quotebox|In the end, Chris told me he’s been trying to unlock his powers so he can get Cole to care about his family so he can dump barb on Cole while he goes to CWCville.
 
Not in those exact words, but basically what he’s saying. }}
 
{{quotebox|Dude, at this point you HAVE to feed into his fantasies to even just motivate him to do something that isn’t spending hours on Sonic games. He could have multiple comics out this year, but he’s sticking to his routines unless you tell him his fantasies are real. Otherwise, you won’t get far with Chris, even as a friend of his.
 
He’s not dead-set, so much as he really wants to force Cole to apologize to Barbara. }}
 
{{quotebox|Again, I’m trying to get him to NOT go. One other reason is similar to Trickie; he has no idea where either live. }}
 
{{quotebox|So yeah, I'm trying to get Chris not to go since he has no clue where either person lives, and money is tight for him right now. }}
 
{{quotebox|I wanna fuck with him, but Cole did nothing wrong that I know of. Same with Trickie.
 
Besides, sending Chris to another state has been done before. At most, I let him go to GameStop looking for Neptune while honking his horn and shouting her name.
}}
 
{{quotebox| Chris s actually did go to GameStop today }}
 
{{quotebox|He went up to the window and “thoroughly scanned” the inside for Neptune.
 
Yes, he’s banned. }}
 
{{quoteboxgreen|And he also screamed her name and honked the car horn as well? On his own, or did you push him into it? }}
 
{{quotebox| All on his own. }}
 
{{quotebox|The Forest lakes GameStop. He went there because I said Neptune would wait at a GameStop. For some reason he went to the one he got banned from, so I went with it.
 
Chris is blowing his money on stupidshit to make himself happy again, though when was that ever news? XD }}
 
{{quotebox| Chris switched religions!}}
 
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{{quotebox|The Neptunia goddesses, all because I pretend to be them and he thinks they are really talking to him. }}
 
{{quoteboxgreen|Just out of curiosity, how many characters have you played in this saga? }}
 
{{quotebox|Just about every goddess in Neptunia. Seven goddesses plus four CPU candidates. }}
 
{{quotebox|[[File:Blanc.png|150px]]
 
Chris probably is doing this because he has a weird pedophilic taste for Blanc, the youngest looking goddess. }}
 
{{quotebox| Including John, around 13 people. }}
 
{{quotebox|He randomly texts me at 3 in the goddamn morning because he fails to undeterstand sleep. It’s mostly about stuff not even I could decipher...
 
Times he failed?
 
Edit:whoops, let me look. }}
 
{{quotebox|Well to answer that question, he got into an argument with Blanc, and she called him out on his laziness and hypocrisy. What really took the fucking cake though?
 
A very detailed reply on how he’d fuck Blanc when all she asked was how she’d be treated on a date with him. }}
 
{{quotebox|Every reply on how he’d treat her as a woman was short and sounded like he was telling her what he felt made him sound smart. }}
 
{{quotebox|Yup, the date wasn’t happening so much as Blanc was trying to see just how much of a “mature woman” Chris claimed to be. She then asked Chris what he’d do if she accepted his invitation to a date, and his response came up. What sucks was it was on Steam and I lost the exact reply. Just what I can tell you was that Chris had a sex reply down.
 
Let me get a text
 
[[File:CWCrandomtext.png|150px]]
 
A shining example of Chris’s texting me }}
 
{{quoteboxgreen|You need to keep those replies somehow. Doesn't Steam Chat offer archiving? }}
 
{{quotebox|Steam archives it on the app for a day at best.
 
Also, it was mostly about books and how to treat women for real. Chris kept being his creepy little self. }}
 
{{quoteboxgreen|Is he actually aiming for a relationship with a CPU? }}
 
{{quotebox|I was wrong, looked like the app archives longer than the desktop.
 
He says he’s not, but he acts a little too..friendly...with them }}
 
{{quotebox| Found it! }}
 
{{quotebox|“Firstly, we get to the bedroom, communication is key, and I would listen. We get undressed. I would make out with you, make my way downwards, and I would put my two middle fingers onto your clit for starters. Then I would progress into your vulva with my fingers, and rub the front inside of your vagina. And with your request, I would lick it on the clit, the edges, and even put my tongue into your vag.” }}
 
{{quotebox|It was here I started laughing and replied with Blanc becoming disgusted. }}
 
{{quotebox|I’ll get a real screenshot. Chris keeps messaging me on Steam so the app auto-scrolls to each reply. I had time to copy the message. }}
 
{{quoteboxgreen| Does he know what this character's age is? }}
 
{{quotebox| His CPU? }}
 
{{quoteboxgreen|No, the one he's trying to fuck.
 
And also, what was the catalyst of that? }}
 
{{quotebox|None of the CPUs have a known age. A recurring gag with Blanc in the series is how she looks younger than she really is, which is a joke on how Nintendo makes a lot of family friendly content. }}
 
{{quotebox|[REDACTED] told me to start a war between CWCville and some other nation. Originally [[Battery-Charge Heart|Chris created this CPU to restore Christianity to his town]], but I told him goddesses can’t worship other gods. Now he uses her to end the rioting and war in CWCville. }}
 
{{quotebox|I’m making him edit it in.
 
Some fictional nation called “[[Ahuviya|Australiatina]]” or something. }}
 
{{quotebox|I'm trying to get Chris to change the plot to [[Sonichu 14|book 14]], and write about something else. Thoughts? }}
 
{{quotebox|I'm gonna try to get him to put all these posts in this comic. The ones with the prison camps and CPUs. }}
 
{{quotebox|Update; Book 16 is actually underway. Don't ask why he skipped 13, 14, and 15 XD }}
 
''He shared several in-progress photos of [[Sonichu 16]].''
 
{{quoteboxgreen|Is this a script? Or is he just going to color this?
 
Also, what's that about John and cuddling? }}
 
{{quotebox|he's coloring this.
 
Also, I did that because it was cucking Chris since he liked Nepgear. }}
 
{{quoteboxgreen|Aha. Alright.
 
This is Sonichu 16? }}
 
{{quotebox|Yup}}
 
{{quoteboxgreen| Why can't he just call it Sonichu 14 then? }}
 
{{quotebox|Because Chris still wants to do his pony shit and make a story recounting the first comic, as well as a backstory to Graduon. }}
 
{{quoteboxgreen|But he can just swap them around, no? They're all standalone stories.
 
Ah what am I doing? Let him do what he wants. }}
 
{{quotebox|I stopped caring about his logic for order. Frankly I’m just glad some of this is going to the comic. }}


==See also==
==See also==
*[[Bluespike]]
*[[Bundychu]]
*[[Chris and journalism]]
*[[Chris and reality]]
*[[Chris and reality]]
*[[Molvanîa]]
*[[Cryzel]]
*[[Cryzel Torture]]
*[[Dimensional Merge]]
*[[IdeaGuy Corruptions]], a [[TSSSF]] pack featuring lore influenced by the Idea Guys.
*[[Kun T'Nyuget]]
*[[Idea Guy Q&A]]
*[[Misc Idea Guy chats‎]]
*[[Red Forest]]
*[[Sonichu 13]]
*[[The 69 Destined Sonichus and Rosechus]]
*[[The Bad Beginning]]
*[[The Chris-Chan Extortionists]]
*[[The group]]
*[[Teen Troon Squad]], who leaked several videos from the Idea Guys saga.


==References==
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“ Where were you when #IdeaGuy embezzled $6,000.00 from me back in 2018, while holding C-197 under Nazi torture and mind-manipulated the CPUs and SEGA Hard Girls?

I Wish I could undo his Freaking Embezzling!

”
Chris[1]
“ I'm not doing this for my entry into Christory or anything. I just like fucking with people and frankly, I'm pushing to finish this pony shit faster(which is working). ”
Joshua Wise[2]
“ Idea Guy is like glitter. We're gonna be finding bits of him in Chris's ramblings for years. ”
A Kiwi Farms commentator
Joshua Allen Wise
Information
Name Joshua Allen Wise
Date of birth (1994-08-19) August 19, 1994[3] (age 30)
Also known as Idea Guy
/pol/troll
Kyoko
John Yamada
Johnson Wiles
Ballzymaker94
BallzyCPU94
Pitohui
Gender MALE
Race White
Nationality American (California)[3]
Saga Idea Guy
Stephen Boyd
Information
Name Stephen Boyd
Date of birth (1993-02-05) February 5, 1993 (age 31)
Also known as Gwen Mikoto[4]
NinFreakLan[4]
Lan Mikoto
Pikachudips
The Unfathomable Lan
Gender MALE
Race White
Nationality American (Kentucky)[5]
Saga Idea Guy

The Idea Guys were a group of trolls who exploited Chris's escapist fantasies by role-playing as his imaginary friends. They used this influence to brainwash him, and allegedly they also blackmailed Chris out of $6,000 by threatening to destroy his imaginary city CWCville. The group began with Joshua Allen Wise (also known as The Idea Guy, or more commonly IdeaGuy by Chris) in October 2017, and at some point, Stephen Boyd and at least three other confirmed anonymous followers (A gay Chinese man, a Canadian and a fifth member who goes under the moniker of "Gruppenfuhrer Fegelein") partnered with him until the group was ousted in April 2018.

Initially their aim was to see how gullible Chris was, but this soon fell into them taking advantage of him financially and coercing him into performing many degrading acts, some of which would put BlueSpike to shame. In the process they managed to somehow make Chris become even more delusional than he already was, all the while planting some of their own twisted ideas into Chris's mind.

This abuse prompted the creation of a group composed of The Captain, Marvin and later Null, dubbed the Guard Dogs. Their goal was to work together to dismantle the Idea Guys' schemes and push for legal action to be taken against them. Thanks to their efforts, the Idea Guys' link to Chris was cut by late April 2018. Authorities never looked into the matter.

Despite their removal, the Idea Guys' iron grip over Chris has had lasting effects. To this day, Chris has retained many of the concepts they had coerced him into believing. Concepts such as changes to Sonichu canon, a polyamorous marriage, and the now infamous Dimensional Merge were introduced to Chris by the group. After their reign, waves of fantasy enablers began appearing, copying their tactics to get an audience with Chris, with many seeing success. The Idea Guys have effectively had the greatest impact on Chris's psyche and personal life out of any trolls since the days of The Miscreants, and are debatably the most successful trolls in that regard.

Background

Chris's fantasy world had been ripe for exploitation in the lead-up to the Idea Guys' interactions with him. Years before, the Asperpedia Four manipulated Chris into killing off Simonla Rosechu in the comics. The Miscreants had also told Chris to name a character Vulva Pie - when he found out what the word meant, he was upset that he had been tricked but felt obligated to maintain Vulva Pie's name in canon. Furthermore, Chris's reliance on his fantasy world as a coping mechanism for his real-world life had become heavier, made evident when he believed he was dancing with Magi-Chan, one of his imaginary friends, during the 2017 BronyCon. This had only occurred one month prior to Joshua Wise beginning contact with him.

Outside of Chris's fantasies becoming increasingly potent, Chris's real life was becoming a lot more volatile. The Financhu Crisis continued to go on, with Chris taking up working on the Sonichu comic more often to gain additional funding through Patreon. Chris's emotional state could also have been compromised from other life events such as his breakup with Jessica Quinn, as she had been in contact with Chris for a long time and had him believing they would meet up in real life (although Chris's appeared largely back to normal in the weeks between the Quinn breakup and the beginning of Wise's manipulations, having resumed the comic, posting on Twitter and being interviewed).

In September 2017, Joshua Wise contacted Chris to commission artwork.[4] With the two in contact, Wise decided to see for himself Chris's gullibility.[6] In late October 2017, he again contacted Chris, posing as John Yamada. As "Yamada", Wise claimed to be a soldier from Gamindustri - a location set in the franchise Hyperdimension Neptunia - and inquired if Chris still had his old Sega Dreamcast console, telling him it contained a possible portal into CWCville.[7][8] Wise used the lore from Neptunia to play into Chris's existing preconceptions about reality and his belief that fictional worlds exist in alternate dimensions, giving him validation over those beliefs, which primed Chris for falling under Wise's spell and eventually encouraged him to retreat further into his fantasy world to cope with his real world problems.

Brainwashing Chris

Role-playing

See also: Red Forest
“ the way I get him to do all this is by simply roleplaying. I pull off Sonichu, Rosechu, Magi-chan, the goddesses from Neptunia, and even a few of the nazis that Chris threatened in the video he did last night. ”
Idea Guy Wise[9]
“ all it takes is one of the free photo editing sites and Audacity to make Cwcville come to life. ”
Wise[10]
A sample of the photoshopped images Wise created to convince Chris.

The key component of Wise's schemes was role-playing as various entities, including Chris's own imaginary friends and goddesses from Hyperdimension Neptunia. By December 2017, Wise was role-playing as at least 13 different characters to Chris, including his persona John Yamada and numerous Neptunia characters.[11] Chris was so entranced under Wise's tactics that he believed it when Wise role-played as the Chris of CWCville and told him he had converted to Satanism.[12] Chris believed the entities were borrowing John Yamada's computer to communicate with him across dimensions.[13]

To accompany the role-playing, Wise also crafted storylines, heavily inspired from video games, designed to infiltrate Chris's beliefs, such as Payday 2 antagonist Akan attacking CWCville and kidnapping Chris's imaginary friend Silvana,[14] and CWCville being occupied by Russians and Nazis. Wise also utilized doctored audio clips, such as Red Forest, and photoshopped images, which "John Yamada" presented to Chris as documents from CWCville and Gamindustri.

  • Another of Wise's fake news graphics, used to reveal CWCville's Russian occupation.

  • A fake news graphic about Count Graduon.

  • Image from the Wolfenstein video game franchise, used to trick Chris into believing CWCville and the USA were under Nazi rule.[15]

In the wake of the January 2018 attempt by Kiwi Farms to remove him from power by doxing him, Wise identified as Idea Guy directly to Chris[16] and made a new persona, "Johnson Wiles", setting it as the OC counterpart of his real-world self.[17]

Boyd also used Wise's role-playing tactics. The known characters he role-played as are his persona Gwen Mikoto[4] and religious figure Jesus Christ.[18]

Controlling Chris's beliefs

“ He's trying to use his "Creator powers" to return Cwcville to it's original state before I showed up, but I keep telling him every time he does this, it causes more trouble than actual solutions. ”
Idea Guy Wise.[12]
“ And [the Idea Guys] said "nah, [your fix] didn't work, so-and-so undid your attempt". Chris' response was basically "dang". ”
Guard Dog Marvin on the extent of the Idea Guys' control over Chris's psyche.[19]
Chris took diligent notes on Wise's lore.

After convincing Chris of his persona John Yamada's ability to access CWCville's dimension, Idea Guy Wise began to manipulate Chris's beliefs and insert his own ideas. He also undermined Chris's attempts to restore his fantasy world; as Wise put it: "Chris thinks he has a psychic link to Cwcville, but every time he tries to change a scenario to his will, I always say it fucks up and makes things worse."[20]

Wise tricked Chris into believing this image depicts protesters in CWCville rioting upon Jamsta's acquittal for molestation.[20] Photo is actually an image from the 1992 Los Angeles riots.

For example, in December 2017, Wise told Chris that Jamsta had been arrested for molesting Punchy and Tails. Chris, not liking this development, tried to have Jamsta acquitted. He tried using his psychic link to CWCville to convince the judge to acquit Jamsta, but Wise countered by telling Chris that the judge didn't believe him since he had stepped down as mayor. Chris then tried to influence the jury, but Wise again countered by telling him that while it worked and Jamsta was acquitted, as consequence, a mob was out to get Jamsta, sending a photo of rioting as proof.[12]

Chris illustrated Angelica as a Satanist for Sonichu 13, following lore from Wise.

In another example, Wise role-played as the Chris of CWCville and claimed to be a Satanist, and that Atheism, Neptunia, and Islam were the main beliefs of CWCville, as Christianity had been forgotten after he had stepped down as mayor. The real-world Chris reacted to this information by saying Angelica would enforce Christianity again, and Wise countered by telling him Angelica became a Satanist and more people were converting to Islam.[12]

Chris drew what he believed occurred with the Sega Dreamcast after Wise's suggestion influenced his own imagination.

Chris was also so suggestible under Wise's influence that at times Wise would float an idea and Chris's imagination would run wild with the concept. When Wise's John Yamada persona first contacted Chris, he used lore from the Hyperdimension Neptunia video game franchise to say that Chris's Sega Dreamcast console possibly contained a portal into CWCville. Chris decided to run the console for 24 hours, place his hand on it, felt a shock, and imagined that it meant the Neptunia goddess within it was possessing him.[21][22] Furthermore, after having been in contact with Wise's Neptunia CPU goddess personas, Chris decided to abandon the Christian religion in favor of Neptunia, and one reason he cited was that he could "actually communicate" with the Neptunia goddesses.[11] Eventually, after the Idea Guys were ousted, the influence resulted in Chris identifying as a goddess, CPU Blue Heart.

Modern CWCville Chris attacking past CWCville Chris after suggestions Wise planted in real-world Chris's mind.

Chris's perception of his imaginary counterpart was influenced by Wise's ideas to a point the latter expressed surprise. Following a comment from Wise's Yamada persona on Nazis and Satanic powers, Chris believed his past CWCville counterpart had been kidnapped by Nazis and given Satanic powers.[23] Wise, pushing further, told the real-world Chris his past counterpart had abolished women's rights to enable his Love Quest and that he had helped the Nazis win World War 2. Chris then illustrated his modern CWCville counterpart confronting and assaulting his past CWCville counterpart over his actions.[24]

“ In truth, I made a joke about the Nazis and Satanic powers, not realizing just how much he'd take it in. ”
Wise.[23]

In another example, after discussing his medallion with John Yamada, who told him it was crafted out of Element 115 (as a reference to the Call of Duty video games[15]), Chris believed that Yamada had created a new medallion for him and that it would arrive in the mail and unlock his magical powers. This emboldened Chris to begin making plans to travel to meet the creator of Rosechu's Story and to confront Cole Smithey in New York, despite not knowing where either lived, believing he would magically learn their addresses. Wise became concerned and convinced Chris not to go on the trips.[25]

Influences to Chris's fantasy land/sense of reality

Main article: List of beliefs brainwashed into Chris

The Idea Guys influenced and brainwashed into Chris many alterations to his fantasy world including his imaginary friends and his imaginary city CWCville. These include Wild Sonichu becoming a drug addict, the creation of Bundychu (who befriends the spirit of Chris's late father), Brendan Fraser being elected the mayor of CWCville, and several other concepts.

Chris digitally and physically revised bits from the Sonichu comic to match up with the new Idea Guys lore. In this example, he altered a page from Sonichu 15 to match Wise's assertion that Rosechu had been born as a male, indicated with a pointy tail (left: original image; right: a slip of paper glued over the original page.)

They also pushed his fantasy escapism further away from reality. Chris, who had been believing he could interact with imaginary friends prior to the Idea Guys, such as when he danced with Magi-Chan in public, had his beliefs validated and encouraged by the Idea Guys.

In December 2017, Wise told Chris that Hyperdimension Neptunia goddess Neptune would be waiting to meet him at a GameStop; Chris decided to go to the Forest Lakes location (from which he had been banned) and waited outside in his car, honking his horn and shouting her name, and then peered inside the store and scanned the interior looking for her.[26]

In January 2018, Chris believed that imaginary friends Magi-Chan and his father figure and mentor, Mewtwo, had gotten married in a "loving triage" with Silvana.[27] Two months later, the Idea Guys pushed further and got Chris to believe he married Magi-Chan and became a part of the polyamorous marriage. Additionally, they brainwashed Chris into believing this made him bisexual.

The Idea Guys also used their influence to trick Chris into exercising. Around March 2018, Chris began to exercise as they told him he needed to be in shape while in CWCville,[28] working out with dumbbells as seen in One-Hundred! and joining the gym Anytime Fitness. His exercise habits continued sporadically for a time after the Idea Guys were ousted, though his interest in it faded away eventually.[29]

The 69 Destined Sonichus and Rosechus, a list the Idea Guys planted into Chris's mind.

The Idea Guys also left a heavy influence on the Sonichu comic and its canon - and by extension, Chris's imaginary friends. Many details were revised by Chris following the lore they laid out, such as Sonichu's birthdate (switched to 4/20, both a reference to Adolf Hitler's birthdate and to marijuana), the date of the rainbow which created Sonichu (changed to 1 February 2003, a reference to the Columbia Space Shuttle disaster), and Magi-Chan's age (changed to 69 years old, a sexual reference).

They also affected plot points and the direction of the comic from Sonichu #12-9 onwards. This can be seen in Sonichu #12-9 (which Chris worked on before, during, and after the Idea Guys were in power) - its plot veers sharply from Chris's interests, to the Idea Guys', then back again to Chris's. The following issue, Sonichu #13 (or The Awakening of a CPU, as titled by Chris), represents the Idea Guys' influence over him in comic form. It features a story on how Wise's John Yamada persona came to influence Chris over the idea of his Sega Dreamcast containing a portal to CWCville. In a page-and-a-half wall of text, Chris summarizes his adventures with Yamada and the Hyperdimension Neptunia cast, and the salvation of Gamindustri and CWCville from the invaders. The rest of Sonichu 13 covers an incoherent series of plot threads over the topics the Idea Guys had brainwashed into Chris.

The Dimensional Merge, a key influence to Chris's escapist habits, is thought to originate from the Idea Guys, though no chatlogs pertaining to it were publicly released, and the first public mention to it by Chris occurred months after their ousting. A small clue is in the Merge's start date being 18 November 2018[30] - the 40th anniversary of the Jonestown Mass Suicide - which aligns with the Idea Guys inserting dates of infamous historical events into Sonichu canon. According to Guard Dog Marvin, the Merge is an Idea Guy concept:

It was an idea that the Idea Guy invented, but Chris didn't really pay enough attention to it as a concept until around when the teen troon squad showed up.

Now it might've just been a coincidence, but it was around that time, Chris started seriously looking into the merge as a solution to his problems.

Early trolling

Midway through November 2017, Chris's content began to include references designed to go over his head. On 14 November, he wrote that imaginary friend Silvana had been captured by a Russian billionaire, and posted a photo of the soldier who would be rescuing her. This was recognized by spectators as a reference to the politically incorrect "Remove Kebab" internet meme. The soldier was to be part of Operation BARBarossa, which consisted of historical references to World War 2. That same day, in what Wise termed "the first true exercise of trust",[31] Chris recorded Freestyle Dance With Me, For Our World! while wearing a tinfoil hat to prevent "the man" from reading his mind. On 11 December, Chris performed a supposed "Cherokean Chant", which in fact involved mimicking the "squatting Slav" meme and reciting Internet meme quotes from the S.T.A.L.K.E.R. video game series, all while drunk on half a fifth of vodka.

Chris was tricked into believing the Japanese text translated to his signature, however, it translates to "I am carrying a penis."

Chris was also tricked into writing edgy jokes in foreign languages. In November 2017, Chris posted artwork featuring Sailor Moon characters conversing with his CWCville counterpart; he was actually tricked into writing "I am carrying a penis", among other things, in Japanese.[32] The drawing may have been the earliest instance of Wise's trickery, as it was dated 18 October 2017, falling in between Wise's initial contact and the debut of his John Yamada persona. In December, more art was posted,[33] this one featuring the SS motto as well as German lines from the video games Brothers in Arms and Wolfenstein: The New Order. Chris also tried to write the "signature" line again, although he accidentally wrote it with a typo. The German translations in particular put Chris's naïveté on full display, with some of the German dialogue featuring words such as "Zebra", "Evolution" and "Universum", which are similar or identical to English counterparts that are obviously absent in the supposed translations. A January 2018 post congratulating Magi-Chan and Mewtwo on tying the knot also contained Swedish text giving a shout-out to Kiwi Farms.[27]

Escalation

A still from Smashing showing the destroyed Christine Doll.

The manipulation of Chris over his fantasy world gradually escalated. In January 2018, Wise role-played as Nazis and led Chris to believe they had bugged his Christine Doll. Chris retaliated by destroying it in Smashing. Days later, Chris also destroyed his miniature Christmas tree in Get Out, You D*** Nazis.

Wise and Boyd team up to manipulate Chris during Cryzel Torture.

By April 2018, the Idea Guys had a sadistic hold over Chris's beliefs. In Cryzel Torture, one of the leaked chatlogs from late that month, Wise role-played as Sword Art Online character Pitohui and graphically described torturing Chris's imaginary wife, Cryzel, for several hours, with Boyd providing backup.

According to The Captain, at some point, Boyd told Chris to punch his mother. The Captain stated that, "There is no video or photographic evidence of Chris punching his mother.

In a private chat with Wise, Chris claims that he punched his mother at Boyd's insistence for failing a quiz or some shit like that. Chris states to Wise that Boyd told him to "Punch your mother" and Chris claims to Wise that he did it."[34]

Wise often forced Chris to have phone sex with him, though there is no recording of these calls.[35]

Blackmail and extortion allegations

See also: 2018 Sales Listings
“ So naturally once they have Chris believing [they can destroy CWCville], they have Chris confessing to being a pedophile and raping his mother. Once they have those confessions, they threaten to release it to the public if he doesn't record himself shitting on the floor and punching himself in the face until tears and snot are running down his chin. At one point, they ask Chris to punch his mother, which he does (though he claims lightly). ”
Guard Dog Null describing the Idea Guys' sadistic exploitation of Chris.[4]
The fictional superweapon Kadingir, as depicted in anime series Symphogear. The Idea Guys used this image to con Chris into believing they had the capability to destroy the moon and CWCville.[36]

The Guard Dogs alleged that the Idea Guys managed to extort $6,000 worth of gift cards, video games, and other accessories from Chris by threatening to destroy his imaginary city CWCville: In addition to that, Boyd also demanded $20,000,[36] or else he would report Chris as a pedophile to the FBI.[4] Guard Dog The Captain also stated that the Idea Guys had "forced Chris to record a series of videos to his Google Drive [...] in order to use them as leverage against him in the future," which included content such as Tour of Chris's House III, Chris slaps himself, and an unreleased two-hour video of Chris reacting to "grotesque pornography".[4]

The Idea Guys, while role-playing as fictional characters, had convinced Chris they had the means to destroy CWCville. Wise, posing as anime series Symophogear villain Finé - whose backstory involves being the creator of a particle-ion cannon titled Kadingir with the capability to destroy the moon[37] - claimed that the destroyed moon chunks would then fall onto CWCville. Idea Guy Boyd, posing as Gwen Mikoto, affirmed Wise's claims and also threatened to erase the dimension in which CWCville resides by nuking it.[36]

When the Guard Dogs rescued Chris from the Idea Guys' influence, they told him the moon destroying weapon did not exist and Chris became "extremely angry" at the revelation.[38]

The Idea Guys had brainwashed Chris into believing himself a pedophile by telling him that the BlueSpike cyber sex logs and having had crushes on high school classmates during high school counted as pedophilia. After being freed from their influence, Chris no longer believed it.[39]

Excerpts from The Bad Beginning chatlog in which the Idea Guys use the threat of moon chunks leveling CWCville to pressure Chris.

To pay off the Idea Guys, Chris raised money from eBay sales of his toys and pieces of the Chandler hoard. Guard Dog The Captain stated that the Idea Guys "were telling him what to sell/urging him to dig through more boxes, etc. in an effort to find things to hawk on eBay to make money for them."[40] In addition, $1,200 gifted to him from Jack Jankowski, meant to go towards attending BronyCon 2018, was sent to the Idea Guys. Though this were not enough to satisfy their demands, as in April 2018, Chris withheld a mortgage payment, putting the Chandlers at severe risk of losing their home.[41]

On 24 April 2018, with Chris in dire financial straits, the Idea Guys influenced him into posting a tweet offering to prostitute himself.[42] He stated his price to be $50 for blowjobs and $100 for butt sex.[43] Days later, the Idea Guys were removed from power by the Guard Dogs, and the situation did not escalate further. In May, Chris disavowed the prostitution messages and stated that he had been coerced into making them.[44]

Chris kept each of the invoices and receipts from the transactions he made for the Idea Guys. The Guard Dogs received screencaps and photos of the receipts, hoping to use the items as evidence in an official investiation; when that fell through, Guard Dog Null posted them publicly to the Kiwi Farms forum.[4]

  • Email confirmation of an item Chris bought for Boyd.

  • Receipts of items Chris bought for Wise and Boyd, including Amazon and Steam gift cards.

  • Chris retained many receipts.

Removal from power

January 2018

An early attempt to stop Wise's influence over Chris was made in January 2018. At the time, there had been no indication of the extortion or sadistic manipulation over Chris that was to come; the intervention was made, according to a Kiwi Farms moderator, because the output of his early manipulation was "total trash."[45]

“ We have seen all we needed to see and nothing more would be gained from seeing more squatting, tracksuits and the introduction of Pepechu. ”
Yawning Sneasel, one of the Kiwi Farms moderators involved with the first doxing.

On 22 January 2018, Wise was doxed on Kiwi Farms[3] and the dox of his family members was included as a deterrent.[45] However, Wise persisted in contact with Chris - one of Chris's drawings of Wise's character Kun T'Nyuget was made the next day,[46] implying Wise did not cut communications with Chris.

Chris's social media output over the next few months gradually indicated that he was under manipulation. The public, uncertain over whether it was Wise again, referred to the resurgence as "Idea Guy 2.0", and it was later alleged by the Guard Dogs that Wise was part of it.

“ He got doxed, people forgot about him, and instead of thinking "hmm, boy, I dodged a bullet! well, better safe than sorry, let's pack it in!".

He goes "AUGH YEAH, coast's clear, start 'er back up again!"

”
Guard Dog Marvin.[47]

April 2018

Main article: The Chris-Chan Extortionists‎
The Captain's photoshopped image of Chris's Amnyfest Ring, used to convince Chris to trust him instead of the Idea Guys.

In April 2018, The Captain was informed by people close to Chris that they suspected he was being manipulated and extorted. In that same month, the Idea Guys forced Chris to sell his Amnyfest Ring on eBay - the buyer was The Captain. Borrowing from the Idea Guys' tactics, The Captain used the ring as a tool to gain Chris's trust by playing into his fantasies, role-playing about Magi-Chan[48] and telling him the ring was sending him messages that the CPUs (personas used by the Idea Guys) were hacked and not to be trusted.

“ I simply told him that the ring was sending me morse code messages and that the [Idea Guys] were lying to him. So I did a five minute photoshop of the ring glowing and sent it to Chris as well as a piece of notepaper where I wrote "The CPUs have been hacked. Don't trust the CPUs" claiming that was the morse code message.

Sure enough, Chris believed it [...] and proceeded to give me his passwords and everything else - that's how we got to where we are today. [...] Without that ring we may NEVER have found out what happened

”
The Captain.[49]

Trusting The Captain, Chris gave him direct access to his accounts, including Discord, so The Captain could "scan for viruses".

“ When I logged onto the Discord I was appalled - the level of absurdity that these guys had gone to in order to take advantage of Chris was beyond belief. I saw the constant requests for money, threats, blackmail, etc. and Chris' responses and was simply floored. They were forcing Chris to post videos, Twitter statuses, etc. all in order to get their kicks in addition to the constant requests for money ”
The Captain,[4]

The Captain teamed up with Marvin to gather evidence. Telling Chris to take a break from the Internet - and to catch up on TV shows the Idea Guys had banned him from watching - The Captain, with Marvin's coaching, role-played as Chris in the Idea Guys' Discord server to stall while Marvin worked to capture the Discord chatlogs.

“ At one point [the Idea Guys] wanted Chris to post photographic evidence that he was indeed himself, writing a message on a dry erase board. I had Chris take said picture for me and then forwarded it to them, etc. Eventually, @Marvin built a script to rip the chat logs from Discord, which amounted to hundreds of pages of autistic debauchery in which these speds took advantage of Chris. When the script was finished and we had the chat logs and images we simply went silent on the Discord and a couple days later Wise and Boyd got freaked out and attempted to sanitize it, banning Chris from the channel and deleting every private message they had sent him one by one. ”
The Captain.[4]

On 29 April, Chris referenced the Idea Guys' removal from power over Twitter.

“ feeling blessed.

I am aware that many people are worried about me. Do Not Fear! I am in a Good Place and everything will be Okay! Things will be figured out soon enough.

”
Chris.[50]

A month later, Chris revealed a bit more, saying he had "very Powerful Allies helping to rectify the situation. I can't say much other than certain people should be Very Frightened right now!"[51]

Attempted return

According to The Captain, one of the Idea Guys attempted to engage with Chris once more, but Chris rejected it.

“ And then everything just sort of settled down for several weeks. At one point Chris received some texts from either Boyd or Wise attempting to roleplay the Dark Tower with him, to which Chris replied, "I'll do it for $6,000!" and naturally, they didn't message again. ”
The Captain.[4]

Reported to authorities

“ Chris did eventually print my IC3 report and hand it in to the station himself [...] Since then it has been dead air. No one has contacted Chris, no one has contacted me, no one has done anything. ”
Guard Dog Null describes his frustrations with the lack of an investigation.[4]

With their archives of the Idea Guys' Discord chatlogs with Chris, as well as Chris providing the receipts and invoices of gifts sent to them, the Guard Dogs attempted to report the Idea Guys to the authorities.

Null contacted the Greene County Sheriff, local to Chris, to discuss the matter. The sheriff interpreted things as a matter of choice from Chris. Null also contacted the FBI, both through their online contact form and also by handing a copy to an FBI agent, as the alleged extortion occurred across state lines. Chris later took a printed copy of Null's report to his local police station and turned it in. However, there have been no signs of an investigation as Null and Chris were not contacted back.[4]

Lingering influence

“ If you want BAD DIRECTION, you should look up Idea Guy. ”
Chris, in the middle of restating his belief that he is married to Cryzel and Magi-Chan, an Idea Guy concept.[52]
"Dark Idea Guy" as envisioned by Chris months after the Idea Guys had been ousted.

Despite the Idea Guys being removed from power in April 2018, the damage to Chris’s sense of reality has lingered. Their actions gave him a sense of validation and boosted his confidence in his pre-existing beliefs about dimensions and psychically linking with his imaginary friends.

Chris, though aware of the Idea Guys’ malevolence, continues to believe in many of the concepts they had instilled into him. The most notable being the Dimensional Merge, which he believes will magically solve the Financhu Crisis and bring CWCville/C-197 and all fictional characters to life; and lore from video game series Hyperdimension Neptunia, in particular CPU goddesses, which crystalized into Chris believing he is CPU Blue Heart. Other concepts that Chris still holds on to include his bisexuality,[53] his polyamorous marriage (which paused the Love Quest - temporarily, at least), Robertchu, theories about Ted Bundy,[54] and the 69 Sonichus and Rosechus.[55]

On 3 August 2018, Chris posted an epilogue to Sonichu 13, which offered clues as to why he maintains belief in the Idea Guys' lore. In it, he stated that Wise's "slanderous, destructive efforts only strengthened my own psychic links with our world, there." To Chris, the Idea Guys had been "royally messing" with not only him, but also "literally" the Earth, Equestria and the CPU goddesses. Chris stated his belief that Wise, "has his own link and grasp of out [sic] world there" and that he ultimately restored CWCville and released the CPU goddesses from Wise's control.

Guard Dog Marvin posted on Kiwi Farms on his opinion of Chris's continued belief in the Idea Guys' canon:

"Reality" is a malleable concept to Chris.

To Chris, that these losers were pretending to be imaginary characters doesn't mean they they didn't unwittingly connect with their counterparts in the other dimension or whatever. So yeah, he thinks Wise and Boyd were assholes who stumbled upon some magic or some shit.

Chris is mostly mad about money first and being made to embarrass himself second.

In regards to why he still maintains a lot of their canon, it's because Chris is too invested in his imaginary world to give up on it so easily. I think after Wise and Boyd were outed, he felt really uncomfortable about retconning most of their changes. Because if he retcons the past six months, then fuck, why can't he retcon all of it? That would make him feel really uneasy about the possible reality of his imaginary world.

That reality is most important to him.[56]

“ So, you just admitted you were and still are manipulated by the Idea Guys. The merge, the goddess stuff, all of it. Christine, if you’re still in there it’s not too late fix your life for the better. It’s ok to face reality ”
A concerned fan on Twitter in December 2020.
“ No, that has been stopped in April, and made undone with Chris' Aether and abilities. We are not under the influence of IdeaGuy. ”
Chris, "possessed" by Sonichu, denying the influence of the Idea Guys while clinging to the lore they tricked him into believing.[57]

Chris, in June 2021, stated that the Idea Guys made his Top 5 list of people who made the most negative impacts on his life (alongside Jakoba, Michael Snyder, BlueSpike, and the staff at Nathanael Greene Elementary School). Though Chris blamed the Idea Guys "for their "Dimensions’ level of damage", he gave credit to them for validating his beliefs. As such, Chris believed that BlueSpike, the Nathanael Greene staff, and Michael Snyder had the most negative impacts on his life.[58]

“ Even though IdeaGuy did Dimensions’ level of damage, his impact has left me with further self-progression, analysis and appreciation, confidence boost, affirming the link between the separated universe halves with my consciousness, leading the way to chill my ego and whatnot in the needed self-healing and work. ”
Chris on why the Idea Guys did not make the top on his list of most negative people.

Idea Guy Q&A and other Kiwi farms shenanigans

Main article: Idea Guy Q&A
Wise's Kiwi Farms Profile.

The ringleader of the Idea Guys, Joshua Wise, signed up to Kiwi Farms under the name Ballzymaker94 and had several private conversations with select users, soliciting feedback over his early schemes.

Aside from Wise. Boyd alongside with the Unnamed Canadian also had their own handlers on the site, under the names of NinFreakLan and de_DEVIL_tails respectively.[4]

One user from the Kiwi Farms had a lengthy conversation with Wise, spanning from 3 December to 18 December 2017 archived in the Idea Guy Q&A. In it, Wise discusses how he had gained Chris’s trust, and how Chris reacted to some of his ideas and mentions content which had not been publicly released. For example, Chris's inquiry on whether or not Jessica Quinn was actually a troll, how Chris tried to prevent Jamsta from being jailed for molestation, and Chris’s attempts to interact with Neptunia goddesses.

Wise also briefly conversed with other members of the forum, archived in Misc Idea Guy chats. After he was doxed by the site's moderators on 22 January 2018, many users came forward to post content and conversations that he had shared with them.

He hadn't shared all of his content over PMs, generally only summarizing his interactions with Chris. After he was exposed, he offered to trade in all of his information in exchange for the moderators removing the dox of his family members. They refused on the grounds that they disliked his public trolling output and believed the dox would be an incentive for him to stay away from Chris,[45] a message which Wise ignored.

Gallery

  • A nine-page poster Wise, role-playing as CPU Neptune, requested Chris to draw,[59] which he did for free.[60] Chris later said it's the drawing that took him the most effort.[61]

  • Chris coped during the Idea Guys' reign by mentally retreating to CWCville and talking to his imaginary friends there.

  • Chris believes he undid the Idea Guys' corruptions. However, he continues to maintain many beliefs they had brainwashed into him.

  • A map Joshua Wise made.

  • Joshua Wise's OC Johnson Wiles, in TSSSF form.

See also

References

  1. ↑ https://twitter.com/CPU_CWCSonichu/status/1148379386023960579
  2. ↑ Idea Guy Q&A#Introduction
  3. ↑ 3.0 3.1 3.2 https://kiwifarms.net/threads/idea-guy-joshua-wise-manipulating-the-intellecutally-disabled-for-fun-megathread.37132/post-2984638 (Archive https://archive.fo/fmLt3)
  4. ↑ 4.00 4.01 4.02 4.03 4.04 4.05 4.06 4.07 4.08 4.09 4.10 4.11 4.12 4.13 The Chris-Chan Extortionists
  5. ↑ Stephen's Kiwi Farms account
  6. ↑ Idea Guy Q&A#Red Forest clip
  7. ↑ File:Sonichu 16 page-3.JPG
  8. ↑ Idea Guy Q&A#Gullibility
  9. ↑ Misc Idea Guy chats#Chat with Kiwi Farms member 3
  10. ↑ Idea Guy Q&A#Manipulating Chris
  11. ↑ 11.0 11.1 Idea Guy Q&A#Chris abandons Christianity for Neptunia
  12. ↑ 12.0 12.1 12.2 12.3 Idea Guy Q&A#Pretending to be Chris to Chris, religion in CWCville
  13. ↑ Idea Guy Q&A#Rosechu is trans
  14. ↑ November 2017 Facebook posts#Silvana is captured
  15. ↑ 15.0 15.1 Idea Guy Q&A#Nazis in CWCville
  16. ↑ Comment from The Captain: "This is the same shit Wise was pulling the second time around.. Name dropping himself as Idea Guy to Chris." https://kiwifarms.net/threads/10-4-chris-says-magi-chan-wrote-hawaii-trip-tweet-for-monetary-gain.48498/
  17. ↑ Twilight Sparkle's Secret Shipfic Folder#TSSSF IdeaGuy Corruptions Expansion Pack
  18. ↑ Cryzel Torture
  19. ↑ https://kiwifarms.net/threads/cryzel-torture.45450/post-3558042
  20. ↑ 20.0 20.1 Idea Guy Q&A#Chris tries to keep Jamsta out of jail
  21. ↑ November 2017 Facebook posts#Sharing my body with a video game character
  22. ↑ Wise denies that the Sega shock was his doing and says it was Chris's own stupidity.
  23. ↑ 23.0 23.1 Idea Guy Q&A#Suggestible Chris
  24. ↑ Idea Guy Q&A#Trolling Jessica Quinn, drawing of Chris fucking Sonichu
  25. ↑ Idea Guy Q&A#Chris wants to visit Cole and Trickie
  26. ↑ Idea Guy Q&A#Chris went to a GameStop to meet a Neptunia goddess
  27. ↑ 27.0 27.1 January 2018 Facebook posts‎‎#Mewtwo and Magi-Chan married
  28. ↑ https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-bad-beginning.45651/post-3576763
  29. ↑ Treadmill
  30. ↑ https://twitter.com/CWCSonichu/status/1064201575994982400
  31. ↑ Idea Guy Q&A#Influencing Sonichu 12-9
  32. ↑ November 2017 Patreon posts#Chris writes about dicks, thinks it's his signature
  33. ↑ December 2017 Facebook posts#"Translated" Sailor Moon drawings
  34. ↑ Thread #41369 (Message #3563096). Kiwi Farms.
  35. ↑ Kiwi_Farms_posts_(The_Captain)#Phone_Sex
  36. ↑ 36.0 36.1 36.2 The Bad Beginning
  37. ↑ https://symphogear.fandom.com/wiki/Kadingir
  38. ↑ https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-chris-chan-extortionists.45366/post-3550216
  39. ↑ https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-bad-beginning.45651/post-3577677
  40. ↑ https://kiwifarms.net/threads/financhu-crisis-chris-sells-his-stuff-megathread.41369/post-3675397
  41. ↑ WE NEED MONEY FOR MORTGAGE NOW, PLEASE
  42. ↑ April 2018 social media posts#Will provide house tour and suck dicks for money.
  43. ↑ File:NAME YOUR PRICE!!.jpeg
  44. ↑ https://web.archive.org/web/20191107173201/https://twitter.com/cwcsonichu/status/993693423084318720
  45. ↑ 45.0 45.1 45.2 File:Yawning Sneasel comment on first Idea Guy dox.png
  46. ↑ File:Also, Introducing Kun T’Nyuget.png
  47. ↑ https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-chris-chan-extortionists.45366/post-3551679
  48. ↑ The Captain's Kiwi Farms posts here (archive: https://archive.fo/cIVI0) and here (archive: https://archive.fo/ZJ1fB), and Chris's perspective from Sonichu 13's epilogue
  49. ↑ https://kiwifarms.net/posts/3566885/ (Archive https://archive.fo/WBwyL)
  50. ↑ April 2018 social media posts#I know people are worried
  51. ↑ May 2018 social media posts#On the Cryzel and Magi-Chan relationship and being blackmailed
  52. ↑ June 2018 social media posts#Sonichu 12-9 approaches completion
  53. ↑ Copitz interview.
  54. ↑ Count Dankula interview, June 2018.
  55. ↑ Nightstar is a very important Special Sonichu
  56. ↑ https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/page-816#post-4002093 (https://archive.md/9GYiD)
  57. ↑ December 2020 social media posts#Ben Saint and Idea Guys
  58. ↑ June 2021 social media posts#Discussing trolls and other stuff
  59. ↑ File:Leak14.jpg
  60. ↑ Misc Idea Guy chats#Chat with Kiwi Farms member 1
  61. ↑ Discord Q&A 6#Drawing that took the most effort
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The Players

People: Chris • Idea Guys (Joshua Wise • Stephen Boyd • Unnamed Others) • Guard Dogs • (The Captain • Null • Marvin) • Anna McLerran • Tings Tingz
Fictional Characters: John Yamada • Gwen Mikoto • Gruppenfuhrer Fegelein • Magi-chan • Cryzel • Kun T’Nyuget • Mewtwo • Pitohui • Bundychu • Akan

The Concepts: The Chats: The Videos:
Coinciding Sagas: Guard Dog


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