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{{quote|Where were you when #IdeaGuy embezzled $6,000.00 from me back in 2018, while holding [[C-197]] under Nazi torture and mind-manipulated the [[Hyperdimension Neptunia|CPUs and SEGA Hard Girls]]?
I Wish I could undo his Freaking Embezzling!|Chris<ref>https://twitter.com/CPU_CWCSonichu/status/1148379386023960579</ref>}}
{{quote|I'm not doing this for my entry into Christory or anything. I just like fucking with people and frankly, I'm pushing to finish this pony shit faster(which is working).|Joshua Wise<ref>[[Idea Guy Q&A#Introduction]]</ref>}}


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{{quote|Idea Guy is like glitter. We're gonna be finding bits of him in Chris's ramblings for years.|A Kiwi Farms commentator}}
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The '''Idea Guys''' were a group of trolls who exploited [[Christian Weston Chandler|Chris]]'s escapist fantasies by role-playing as his [[imaginary friends]]. They used this influence to [[List of beliefs brainwashed into Chris|brainwash]] him, and allegedly they also blackmailed Chris out of $6,000 by threatening to destroy his imaginary city [[CWCville]]. The group began with '''Joshua Allen Wise''' (also known as The '''Idea Guy''', or more commonly '''IdeaGuy''' by Chris) in [[October 2017]], and at some point, '''Stephen Boyd''' and at least three other confirmed anonymous followers (A gay Chinese man, a Canadian and a fifth member who goes under the moniker of "Gruppenfuhrer Fegelein") partnered with him until the group was ousted in [[April 2018]].
Initially their aim was to see how [[Naïve|gullible]] Chris was, but this soon fell into them taking advantage of him financially and coercing him into performing many degrading acts, some of which would put [[BlueSpike]] to shame. In the process they managed to somehow make Chris become [[Chris and reality|even more delusional]] than he already was, all the while planting some of their own twisted ideas into Chris's mind.


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This abuse prompted the creation of a group composed of [[The Captain]], [[Marvin]] and later [[Null]], dubbed the [[Guard Dogs]]. Their goal was to work together to dismantle the Idea Guys' schemes and push for legal action to be taken against them. Thanks to their efforts, the Idea Guys' link to Chris was cut by late [[April 2018]]. Authorities never looked into the matter.
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Despite their removal, the Idea Guys' iron grip over Chris has had lasting effects. To this day, Chris has retained many of the concepts they had coerced him into believing. Concepts such as changes to ''Sonichu'' canon, a [[polyamorous marriage]], and the now infamous [[Dimensional Merge]] were introduced to Chris by the group. After their reign, waves of fantasy [[enablers]] began appearing, copying their tactics to get an audience with Chris, with many seeing success. The Idea Guys have effectively had the greatest impact on Chris's psyche and personal life out of any trolls since the days of [[The Miscreants]], and are debatably the most successful trolls in that regard.


The '''Idea Guys''' were a group of trolls who influenced Chris to add politically incorrect themes and historical references, [[Internet]] memes and false rumors into his [[Sonichu (comic)|comic]], [[Facebook|social]] [[Twitter|media]] posts, and videos. Their aim was likely to see how gullible Chris was, and how [[Reality|little he understands]] about the world, though Chris's participation may not have been completely voluntary. Chris's interactions with Wise started when he informed Chris that the characters from ''[[Hyperdimension Neptunia]]'' were invading CWCville.
==Background==
Chris's fantasy world had been ripe for exploitation in the lead-up to the Idea Guys' interactions with him. Years before, the [[Asperpedia Four]] manipulated Chris into killing off [[Simonla Rosechu]] in the comics. The [[Miscreants]] had also told Chris to name a character [[Vulva Pie]] - when he found out what the word meant, he was upset that he had been tricked but felt obligated to maintain Vulva Pie's name in canon. Furthermore, Chris's reliance on his fantasy world as a [[Chris and coping|coping]] mechanism for his real-world life had become heavier, made evident when he believed he was [[dancing with Magi-Chan]], one of his [[imaginary friends]], during the 2017 [[BronyCon]]. This had only occurred one month prior to Joshua Wise beginning contact with him.


Initially thought to be the act of just '''Joshua Wise''', in May 2018 Chris suggested that there may be more than one Idea Guy.<ref name=callingout>[[May 2018 social media posts#Calling out the weens]]</ref> '''Stephen Boyd''', as well as perhaps two other people, were found to be working with Joshua.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-chris-chan-extortionists.45366/</ref>
Outside of Chris's fantasies becoming increasingly potent, Chris's real life was becoming a lot more volatile. The [[Financhu Crisis]] continued to go on, with Chris taking up working on [[Sonichu (comic)|the ''Sonichu'' comic]] more often to gain additional funding through [[Patreon]]. Chris's emotional state could also have been compromised from other life events such as his breakup with [[Jessica Quinn]], as she had been in contact with Chris for a long time and had him believing they would meet up in real life (although Chris's appeared largely back to normal in the weeks between the Quinn breakup and the beginning of Wise's manipulations, having resumed the comic, posting on Twitter and being interviewed).


The Idea Guys were removed from power around May 2018.<ref name=stillbelievingmarriage>[[May 2018 social media posts#On the Cryzel and Magi-Chan relationship and being blackmailed]]</ref> Chris stated that he has "very Powerful Allies helping to rectify the situation. I can't say much other than certain people should be Very Frightened right now!".
In September 2017, Joshua Wise contacted Chris to commission artwork.<ref name=tcce></ref> With the two in contact, Wise decided to see for himself Chris's gullibility.<ref>[[Idea Guy Q&A#Red Forest clip]]</ref> In late [[October 2017]], he again contacted Chris, posing as '''John Yamada'''. As "Yamada", Wise claimed to be a soldier from Gamindustri - a location set in the franchise ''[[Hyperdimension Neptunia]]'' - and inquired if Chris still had his old Sega Dreamcast console, telling him it contained a possible portal into [[CWCville]].<ref name=comicyamada>[[:File:Sonichu 16 page-3.JPG]]</ref><ref name=gullibility>[[Idea Guy Q&A#Gullibility]]</ref> Wise used the lore from ''Neptunia'' to play into Chris's existing preconceptions about [[Chris and reality|reality]] and [[Alec Benson Leary Phone Call 2|his belief that fictional worlds exist in alternate dimensions]], giving him validation over those beliefs, which primed Chris for falling under Wise's spell and eventually encouraged him to retreat further into his fantasy world to cope with his real world problems.


Due to their tactics including gaslighting Chris, threatening to falsely claim he was a pedophile to the FBI, and extorting him out of thousands, the Idea Guys are some of the most controversial figures in Christory, perhaps moreso than even [[BlueSpike]].
==Brainwashing Chris==
===Role-playing===
{{see also|Red Forest}}


==Identity==
{{quote|the way I get him to do all this is by simply roleplaying. I pull off Sonichu, Rosechu, Magi-chan, the [[CPUs|goddesses from Neptunia]], and even a few of the [[nazis]] that Chris threatened [[Smashing|in the video he did last night]].|Idea Guy Wise<ref>[[Misc Idea Guy chats#Chat with Kiwi Farms member 3]]</ref>}}
For months, fans wondered about their identities and fictional bio, as Chris did not disclose that he was in contact with a source. On 22 January 2018, moderators at [[Kiwi Farms]] decided to dox the user known as Ballzymaker94 for one of the Idea Guys.


With Idea Guy's doxing, Kiwi Farms users also found posts from his accounts there and on Reddit [[White knight|white knighting]] the Idea Guy from criticism and trying to publicize Chris's Idea Guy content in other communities.
{{quote|all it takes is one of the free photo editing sites and Audacity to make Cwcville come to life.|Wise<ref>[[Idea Guy Q&A#Manipulating Chris]]</ref>}}


On 11 July 2018, Kiwi Farms owner Null revealed three more Idea Guys. One of them was Stephen Boyd, who went by the name of NinFreakLan on Kiwi Farms as users would later discover. As for the last two, Null kept their identities secret, only revealing that one of them was Canadian and another was Chinese. Both of them contributed very little to the trolling effort and dropped out very early on.
[[File:IdeaGuyCwc News Media2.PNG|thumb|A sample of the photoshopped images Wise created to convince Chris.]]


==Behind the scenes==
The key component of Wise's schemes was role-playing as various entities, including Chris's own [[imaginary friends]] and goddesses from ''[[Hyperdimension Neptunia]]''. By December 2017, Wise was role-playing as at least 13 different characters to Chris, including his persona John Yamada and numerous ''Neptunia'' characters.<ref name=religionswitch>[[Idea Guy Q&A#Chris abandons Christianity for Neptunia]]</ref> Chris was so entranced under Wise's tactics that he believed it when Wise role-played as the Chris of [[CWCville]] and told him he had converted to Satanism.<ref name=pretend>[[Idea Guy Q&A#Pretending to be Chris to Chris, religion in CWCville]]</ref> Chris believed the entities were borrowing John Yamada's computer to communicate with him across dimensions.<ref>[[Idea Guy Q&A#Rosechu is trans]]</ref>
[[File:IdeaGuyCwc News Media2.PNG|thumb|A sample of the fake news Wise used to convince Chris.]]
While under Wise's control, Chris himself kept quiet about the situation, never implying that anyone was taking control of him. However, the many references that he [[Honor roll|did not understand]] were a clear sign of external influence. There were also signs that Chris was coerced or duped into using Wise's ideas, as he appeared uncomfortable in Wise-inspired videos and is often alarmed by the troll's "revelations" about Chris's fictional world.


Some believed that the Idea Guy simply paid Chris. However, fans quickly determined that this was unlikely. The closest anyone came to paying Chris to influence CWCville was when [[William Elliott Waterman|Waterman]] paid him $100 to feature his [[Bananasauros]] character in [[Sonichu 11|''Sonichu'' #11]], even providing a script, and Chris reacted by openly mocking Waterman and his character in the very pages of the comic, rushing through the plotline and then promptly disregarding the character. Furthermore, whenever people pay Chris for content, he has an established habit of dragging his feet and putting as little effort as he possibly can into the product. Examples of this include [[Paid Video Requests]] and his treatment of high-end clients such as [[DStecks]] and [[Ashuraglitch]].
To accompany the role-playing, Wise also crafted storylines, heavily inspired from video games, designed to infiltrate Chris's beliefs, such as ''Payday 2'' antagonist [[Akan]] attacking CWCville and kidnapping Chris's imaginary friend [[Silvana]],<ref>[[November 2017 Facebook posts#Silvana is captured]]</ref> and CWCville being occupied by Russians and [[Nazis]]. Wise also utilized doctored audio clips, such as [[Red Forest]], and photoshopped images, which "John Yamada" presented to Chris as documents from CWCville and Gamindustri.  


In marked contrast, Chris appeared to genuinely believe Wise, thinking he was talking to his friends, as evidenced when he freaked out over the revelation of Rosechu being transgender. The [[Man in the Pickle Suit]] also speculated that Wise posed as various characters from CWCville.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/12-06-2017-rosechu-has-a-dick.37132/page-9#post-2831808</ref> This was confirmed when Kiwi Farms users who Wise had contacted in private leaked the details of his methods.
<center><gallery>
File:IdeaGuyCwc News Media.PNG|Another of Wise's fake news graphics, used to reveal CWCville's Russian occupation.
File:IdeaGuyCwc News Media3.jpg|A fake news graphic about [[Count Graduon]].
File:NaziDC.jpg|Image from the ''Wolfenstein'' video game franchise, used to trick Chris into believing CWCville and the USA were under Nazi rule.<ref name=cwcvillenazis>[[Idea Guy Q&A#Nazis in CWCville]]</ref>
</gallery></center>


{{quote|He knows he's talking to a dude. The thing is that I used to be part of a roleplay community years ago, so the rest is kind of easy for me. What made this so much easier was telling him Kurome put a curse on the Internet so that any pics taken of the girls he wants to see appear elsewhere in her attempt to make it harder for him to believe. All you gotta do really is make a sound clip on audacity to the girls he wants to here talking, and he buys it.|Wise revealing his master plan.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/idea-guy-joshua-wise-manipulating-the-intellecutally-disabled-for-fun-megathread.37132/page-72#post-2986876</ref>}}
In the wake of the January 2018 attempt by [[Kiwi Farms]] to remove him from power by doxing him, Wise identified as Idea Guy directly to Chris<ref>Comment from [[The Captain]]: "This is the same shit Wise was pulling the second time around.. Name dropping himself as Idea Guy to Chris." https://kiwifarms.net/threads/10-4-chris-says-magi-chan-wrote-hawaii-trip-tweet-for-monetary-gain.48498/</ref> and made a new persona, "Johnson Wiles", setting it as the [[OC]] counterpart of his real-world self.<ref>[[Twilight Sparkle's Secret Shipfic Folder#TSSSF IdeaGuy Corruptions Expansion Pack]]</ref>


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Boyd also used Wise's role-playing tactics. The known characters he role-played as are his persona Gwen Mikoto<ref name=tcce></ref> and religious figure Jesus Christ.<ref>[[Cryzel Torture]]</ref>
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| video          = {{#ev:youtube|R4ZtZzjp5ms}}
| stardate      = Unknown
| saga          = {{Idea Guy|text}}
| subject        = [[Reality]]
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Wise's means of influencing Chris were surprisingly elaborate, taking the form of fake audio clips and photoshopped images which he presented to Chris as documents from CWCville and Gamindustri<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/idea-guy-joshua-wise-manipulating-the-intellecutally-disabled-for-fun-megathread.37132/page-80#post-2988349</ref>. Wise initially played the role of a soldier from Gamindustri named John.
===Controlling Chris's beliefs===
{{quote|He's trying to use his "Creator powers" to return [[Cwcville]] to it's original state before I showed up, but I keep telling him every time he does this, it causes more trouble than actual solutions.|Idea Guy Wise.<ref name=pretend></ref>}}


The Kiwi Farms leaks also revealed a large amount of content that Chris made during the saga without releasing publicly, including several pages of [[Sonichu 16|''Sonichu'' #16]] covering the events Wise described to him. The pages show "John" – depicted in a gas mask and body armor from the [[Cherokean Chant|''S.T.A.L.K.E.R.'']] games – asking (real-world) Chris whether he still owns his Dreamcast, which John believes to be a portal to [[CWCville]]. In a page-and-a-half wall of text, Chris summarizes his adventures with John and the ''[[Hyperdimension Neptunia]]'' cast, and the salvation of Gamindustri and CWCville from the invaders.
{{quote|And [the Idea Guys] said "nah, [your fix] didn't work, so-and-so undid your attempt". Chris' response was basically "dang".|[[Guard Dog]] Marvin on the extent of the Idea Guys' control over Chris's psyche.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/cryzel-torture.45450/post-3558042</ref>}}


Wise told Chris that [[Magi-Chan]] had a vision that [[Crystal Weston Chandler (daughter)|Crystal]] would be born from Chris [[Homos|anally]] [[Chris and sex#Rape|raping]] Sonichu; despite so blatantly going against Chris's beliefs and wishes, the message was convincing enough that Chris drew a horrifying piece of artwork depicting the act, where Comic Chris apologizes to Sonichu but insists that "destiny called us to make this baby".
[[File:Text with John Yamada.png|thumb|100px|Chris took diligent notes on Wise's lore.]]


Wise also duped Chris into believing he would receive various magical abilities in real life. This apparently emboldened Chris to begin making plans to travel to meet the creator of [[Rosechu's Story]] and to confront [[Cole Smithey]] in New York, possibly with the help of magic powers that he expected to receive. According to the leaker, Wise actually did the responsible thing in these cases and convinced Chris not to go. However, he also told Chris that Neptune would be waiting to meet him at a GameStop; Chris went, specifically, to the Forest Lakes GameStop (from which he [[List of places that have banned Chris|had been banned]]) and waited outside in [[Son-Chu|his car]], honking his horn and peering inside.
After convincing Chris of his persona John Yamada's ability to access [[CWCville]]'s dimension, Idea Guy Wise began to manipulate Chris's beliefs and insert his own ideas. He also undermined Chris's attempts to restore his fantasy world; as Wise put it: "Chris thinks he has a psychic link to Cwcville, but every time he tries to change a scenario to his will, I always say it fucks up and makes things worse."<ref name=jamstajail></ref>


==Changes to Chris's fantasy land / sense of reality==
[[File:CWCville jamsta riots.jpg|thumb|left|150px|Wise tricked Chris into believing this image depicts protesters in CWCville rioting upon [[Jamsta]]'s acquittal for molestation.<ref name=jamstajail>[[Idea Guy Q&A#Chris tries to keep Jamsta out of jail]]</ref> Photo is actually an image from the 1992 Los Angeles riots.]]
Below are summaries of changes attributed to the Idea Guy.


===[[Hyperdimension Neptunia]]===
For example, in December 2017, Wise told Chris that [[Jamsta]] had been arrested for molesting [[Punchy]] and Tails. Chris, not liking this development, tried to have Jamsta acquitted. He tried using his psychic link to CWCville to convince the judge to acquit Jamsta, but Wise countered by telling Chris that the judge didn't believe him since he had stepped down as mayor. Chris then tried to influence the jury, but Wise again countered by telling him that while it worked and Jamsta was acquitted, as consequence, a mob was out to get Jamsta, sending a photo of rioting as proof.<ref name=pretend></ref>
Throughout November, Chris made several posts,<ref>[[November 2017 Facebook posts]]</ref> some accompanied by drawings, on being possessed by ''Hyperdimension Neptunia'' goddess Uzume Tennouboshi and an invasion of CWCville by enemy forces from the ''Neptunia'' video games.


Halfway through the month, observers began speculating that a new troll had appeared, as Chris's posts began to include references designed to go over his head. On 14 November, he wrote that [[Silvana]] had been captured by a Russian billionaire and posted a photo of the soldier who would be rescuing her, recognized by spectators as part of the Remove Kebab internet meme. The same day, Chris recorded [[Freestyle Dance With Me, For Our World!]] while wearing a tinfoil hat to prevent "the man" from reading his mind.
[[File:Satanic angelica.jpg|thumb|150px|Chris illustrated [[Angelica]] as a Satanist for ''[[Sonichu 13]]'', following lore from Wise.]]
In another example, Wise role-played as the Chris of CWCville and claimed to be a Satanist, and that Atheism, ''Neptunia'', and Islam were the main beliefs of CWCville, as Christianity had been forgotten after he had stepped down as mayor. The real-world Chris reacted to this information by saying [[Angelica]] would enforce Christianity again, and Wise countered by telling him Angelica became a Satanist and more people were converting to Islam.<ref name=pretend></ref>


===Nazi [[CWCville]]===
[[File:Sonichu 16 page-4.JPG|thumb|150px|left|Chris drew what he believed occurred with the Sega Dreamcast after Wise's suggestion influenced his own imagination.]]
[[File:Smashing (720p 30fps H264-192kbit AAC).mp400001.png|thumb|200px|The [[Christine Doll]], shortly before being executed.]]
Chris was also so suggestible under Wise's influence that at times Wise would float an idea and Chris's imagination would run wild with the concept. When Wise's John Yamada persona first contacted Chris, he used lore from the ''[[Hyperdimension Neptunia]]'' video game franchise to say that Chris's Sega Dreamcast console possibly contained a portal into CWCville. Chris decided to run the console for 24 hours, place his hand on it, felt a shock, and imagined that it meant the ''Neptunia'' goddess within it was possessing him.<ref>[[November 2017 Facebook posts#Sharing my body with a video game character]]</ref><ref>[[Idea Guy Q&A#Steam, Kiwi Farms and the Dreamcast shock|Wise denies that the Sega shock was his doing and says it was Chris's own stupidity.]]</ref> Furthermore, after having been in contact with Wise's ''Neptunia'' CPU goddess personas, Chris decided to abandon the Christian religion in favor of ''Neptunia'', and one reason he cited was that he could "actually communicate" with the ''Neptunia'' goddesses.<ref name=religionswitch></ref> Eventually, after the Idea Guys were ousted, the influence resulted in Chris identifying as a goddess, [[CPU Blue Heart]].


A day after the "Freestyle Dance", Chris described in detail how Silvana had been saved in a military conflict titled [[Operation BARBarossa]], thinking the name was meant to be a clever nod towards [[Barb|his mother]]. The post was littered with references to World War II, particularly on actions by Nazi Germany, such as "prison camps full of large ovens" built on CWCville soil.
[[File:CWC gets kicked.jpg|thumb|200px|Modern CWCville Chris attacking past CWCville Chris after suggestions Wise planted in real-world Chris's mind.]]


Days later, Chris expanded on the new CWCville lore,<ref>[[November 2017 tweets#Updates on prison camps & reality]]</ref> giving the names of the prison camps. He also warned that CWCville's supply of U.S. money had been tainted with a virus – a concept borrowed from the video game ''Tom Clancy's The Division'' – and encouraged travelers to use "Cwcsmarts" instead – a name slightly reminiscent of Nazi (and Weimar) Germany's "Reichsmark". Later, he mentioned that CWCville's ZIP Code had been changed from its previous Mexican designation to one in Germany, near the picturesque village of Birkenau, not to be confused with the WWII death camp Auschwitz-Birkenau, which operated in German-occupied Poland - As expected, Chris failed to notice this error by Idea Guy, and so the abuse continued.
Chris's perception of his imaginary counterpart was influenced by Wise's ideas to a point the latter expressed surprise. Following a comment from Wise's Yamada persona on Nazis and Satanic powers, Chris believed his past CWCville counterpart had been kidnapped by Nazis and given Satanic powers.<ref name=suggestible>[[Idea Guy Q&A#Suggestible Chris]]</ref> Wise, pushing further, told the real-world Chris his past counterpart had abolished [[women's rights]] to enable his [[Love Quest]] and that he had helped the Nazis win World War 2. Chris then illustrated his modern CWCville counterpart confronting and assaulting his past CWCville counterpart over his actions.<ref name=fuckingsonichu>[[Idea Guy Q&A#Trolling Jessica Quinn, drawing of Chris fucking Sonichu]]</ref>


Two weeks after the BARBarossa post, Chris had noticed speculation that he had fallen in with the Nazi crowd, and took offense to it, insisting that the ideas had come from [[Count Graduon]].
{{quote|In truth, I made a joke about the Nazis and Satanic powers, not realizing just how much he'd take it in.|Wise.<ref name=suggestible></ref>}}


On 26 December, the Idea Guy informed Chris that citizens of CWCville who refused to accept [[SLGBTQ]] formed a homophobic klan and attacked the [[CWCville Shopping Center|CWCville Mall]], and rioted after the trial of [[Jamsta]] for molesting [[Punchy Sonichu]]. In the same message, he mentioned that the [[TrollBusters]] have been reformed into the "CWCstapo", an obvious (though lost on Chris) reference to the [[wikipedia:Gestapo|Gestapo]], the secret police of Nazi Germany, to "be better at stopping criminals".<ref name=jamsta>[[December 2017 Facebook posts#Jamsta molested Punchy]]</ref> The update contains the line "A police state is a Country run by CRIMINALS", a quote from ''Fatherland'', a novel set in an alternate timeline in which Nazi Germany won World War II.
In another example, after discussing his [[medallion]] with John Yamada, who told him it was crafted out of Element 115 (as a reference to the ''Call of Duty'' video games<ref name=cwcvillenazis></ref>), Chris believed that Yamada had created a new medallion for him and that it would arrive in the mail and unlock his magical powers. This emboldened Chris to begin making plans to travel to meet the creator of [[Rosechu's Story]] and to confront [[Cole Smithey]] in New York, despite not knowing where either lived, believing he would magically learn their addresses. Wise became concerned and convinced Chris not to go on the trips.<ref>[[Idea Guy Q&A#Chris wants to visit Cole and Trickie]]</ref>


A few weeks later, on 16 January, Chris was told that the [[Christine Doll|MLP doll he had customized to his image]] was, in fact, bugged by Nazis. He took vengeance by [[smashing]] it to pieces on camera. A few days later, Chris destroyed his Christmas tree and a photo of Hulk Hogan in [[Get Out, You D*** Nazis!‎]] for the same reason.
===Influences to Chris's fantasy land/sense of reality===
{{main|List of beliefs brainwashed into Chris}}


{{quote|Chris thinks he fucked up big with having his new medallion crafted out of Element 115(Nazi Zombies reference FTW), which was stolen by a time traveling Hitler, and the Chris from the comics was taken too. Now Cwcville is under the control of the Nazis, and this is what he thinks Cwcville(along with the US) looks like in his imagination land.|Idea Guy<ref name=q&a>[[Idea Guy Q&A]]</ref>}}
The Idea Guys influenced and brainwashed into Chris [[:Category:Concepts influenced by Idea Guy|many alterations to his fantasy world]] including his [[imaginary friends]] and his imaginary city [[CWCville]]. These include [[Wild Sonichu]] becoming a drug addict, the creation of [[Bundychu]] (who befriends the spirit of Chris's late father), [[Brendan Fraser]] being elected the mayor of CWCville, and several other concepts.


<center><gallery>
[[File:Sonichu 15 revision tail.png|thumb|left|Chris digitally and physically revised bits from the Sonichu comic to match up with the new Idea Guys lore. In this example, he altered a page from [[Sonichu 15]] to match Wise's assertion that [[Rosechu]] had been born as a male, indicated with a pointy tail (left: original image; right: a slip of paper glued over the original page.)]]
File:NaziDC.jpg|Still of a Nazi occupation
File:Nazi new york.png|A scene from The Man in High Castle used to trick Chris
</gallery></center>


===CWCville elections===
They also pushed his fantasy escapism further away from reality. Chris, who had been believing he could interact with imaginary friends prior to the Idea Guys, such as when he [[Dancing with Magi-Chan|danced with Magi-Chan in public]], had his beliefs validated and encouraged by the Idea Guys.
On 26 November, Chris broke his longstanding policy barring elections in CWCville by announcing that the position of mayor was up for election.<ref>[[November 2017 tweets#CWCville mayoral election]]</ref> The mayoral candidates included several notorious historical figures, Russian president Vladimir Putin, actor [[wikipedia:Brendan Fraser|Brendan Fraser]], [[Ian Brandon Anderson]] and ''[[Video games|Payday 2]]'' character [[Bob]] McKendrick. Incumbent [[Allison Amber]] did not run for reelection. Chris himself endorsed McKendrick, due to him sharing a name with his father, with a slogan ripped off from [[Pmurt]]'s "Make America Great Again".


A few days later, Chris announced another election for chief of police.<ref>[[November 2017 tweets#CWCville Chief of Police election]]</ref> The candidates were Ian Brandon Anderson (again), "[[wikipedia:Manuel Noriega|Man-Ewell Noriega]]", and two serial killers.
In [[December 2017]], Wise told Chris that ''Hyperdimension Neptunia'' goddess Neptune would be waiting to meet him at a GameStop; Chris decided to go to the Forest Lakes location (from which he [[List of places that have banned Chris|had been banned]]) and waited outside in [[Son-Chu|his car]], honking his horn and shouting her name, and then peered inside the store and scanned the interior looking for her.<ref>[[Idea Guy Q&A#Chris went to a GameStop to meet a Neptunia goddess]]</ref>


Brendan Fraser won the mayoral election and took office sometime in December;<ref name=jamsta></ref> Ian Brandon Anderson won the vote for chief of police but Chris has yet to confirm that he has taken office.
In [[January 2018]], Chris believed that imaginary friends [[Magi-Chan]] and his father figure and mentor, [[Mewtwo]], had gotten married in a "loving [[Chris and English|triage]]" with [[Silvana]].<ref name=gaymarriage>[[January 2018 Facebook posts‎‎#Mewtwo and Magi-Chan married]]</ref> Two months later, the Idea Guys pushed further and got Chris to believe he married Magi-Chan and became a part of the [[polyamorous marriage]]. Additionally, they brainwashed Chris into believing this made him [[bisexual]].


===Trans Rosechu===
The Idea Guys also used their influence to trick Chris into exercising. Around March 2018, Chris began to exercise as they told him he needed to be in shape while in [[CWCville]],<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-bad-beginning.45651/post-3576763</ref> working out with dumbbells as seen in [[One-Hundred!]] and joining the gym [[Anytime Fitness]]. His exercise habits continued sporadically for a time after the Idea Guys were ousted, though his interest in it faded away eventually.<ref>[[Treadmill]]</ref>
[[File:Cwc imaginary gal-pal's penis.jpg |thumb|250px]]
A distraught Chris posted to Facebook and Twitter in early December, saying that [[Rosechu]] had informed him that she was actually transgender, and had a penis up until the events of [[Sonichu 8|''Sonichu'' #8]], at which point she underwent advanced gender-reassignment surgery to become "Fully Woman" and enable her to give birth to her children.<ref>[[December 2017 Facebook posts#Is Rosechu a transwoman?]]</ref>


Chris, agitated about the prospect of altering his canon in such a significant way, put up a poll to ask fans whether Rosechu should stay trans or be retconned back to his original concept of her being female from birth, pointing out that Rosechu being trans would hurt him and that the other option would hurt her. This reaction was seen by spectators as trans-shaming towards Rosechu, who he believes to be real in another dimension. In essence, Chris wants to be accepted as trans, added a [[Robee Sonichu|ten-year-old]] trans-female to his comic, and forced Rosechu and the gang to fully accept and love Chris for coming out – [[Chris and hypocrisy|but refuses to believe Rosechu herself could possibly be trans]].
[[File:69 Sonichus.jpg|thumb|200px|[[The 69 Destined Sonichus and Rosechus]], a list the Idea Guys planted into Chris's mind.]]
The Idea Guys also left a heavy influence on the ''Sonichu'' comic and its canon - and by extension, Chris's imaginary friends. Many details were revised by Chris following the lore they laid out, such as Sonichu's birthdate (switched to 4/20, both a reference to Adolf Hitler's birthdate and to marijuana), the date of the [[rainbow]] which created Sonichu (changed to 1 February 2003, a reference to the Columbia Space Shuttle disaster), and [[Magi-Chan]]'s age (changed to 69 years old, a sexual reference).


===Residents of the CWCville dimension===
They also affected plot points and the direction of the comic from ''[[Sonichu 12-9|Sonichu #12-9]]'' onwards. This can be seen in ''Sonichu #12-9'' (which Chris worked on before, during, and after the Idea Guys were in power) - its plot veers sharply from Chris's interests, to the Idea Guys', then back again to Chris's. The following issue, ''[[Sonichu 13|Sonichu #13]]'' (or ''The Awakening of a CPU'', as titled by Chris), represents the Idea Guys' influence over him in comic form. It features a story on how Wise's John Yamada persona came to influence Chris over the idea of his Sega Dreamcast containing a portal to [[CWCville]]. In a page-and-a-half wall of text, Chris summarizes his adventures with Yamada and the ''Hyperdimension Neptunia'' cast, and the salvation of Gamindustri and CWCville from the invaders. The rest of ''Sonichu 13'' covers an incoherent series of plot threads over the topics the Idea Guys had brainwashed into Chris.
====[[Christian Weston Chandler (comic character)|Chris]]====


With the revelation that the Nazis have taken Cwcville, it is also revealed that pre-tomgirl Chris in the comic was an from an alternate timeline, where he was whisked into the past by the Nazis. Every [[Sonichu_#10|atrocity]] committed by Chris is also revealed to be the actions of Nazi Chris. He was then killed by tomgirl Chris with a swift kick to the testicles.
The [[Dimensional Merge]], a key influence to Chris's escapist habits, is thought to originate from the Idea Guys, though no chatlogs pertaining to it were publicly released, and the first public mention to it by Chris occurred months after their ousting. A small clue is in the Merge's start date being 18 November 2018<ref>https://twitter.com/CWCSonichu/status/1064201575994982400</ref> - the 40th anniversary of the {{w|Jonestown}} Mass Suicide - which aligns with the Idea Guys inserting dates of infamous historical events into ''Sonichu'' canon. According to [[Guard Dog]] Marvin, the Merge is an Idea Guy concept:


{{quote|Chris looked back at his comics and was shocked to see how little respect he had in portraying women in his works. He thinks the Nazis kidnapped 2000s Chris and brought him back in time where they possessed him with Satanic powers and helped the Nazis win WW2.
{{quoteboxgreen|It was an idea that the Idea Guy invented, but Chris didn't really pay enough attention to it as a concept until around when the [[Teen Troon Squad|teen troon squad]] showed up.


In truth, I made a joke about the Nazis and Satanic powers, not realizing just how much he'd take it in.
Now it might've just been a coincidence, but it was around that time, Chris started seriously looking into the merge as a solution to his problems.}}


''[...]''
==Early trolling==
Midway through November 2017, Chris's content began to include references designed to go over his head. On 14 November, he wrote that imaginary friend [[Silvana]] had been captured by [[Akan|a Russian billionaire]], and posted a photo of the soldier who would be rescuing her. This was recognized by spectators as a reference to the politically incorrect "Remove Kebab" internet meme. The soldier was to be part of [[Operation BARBarossa]], which consisted of historical references to World War 2. That same day, in what Wise termed "the first true exercise of trust",<ref>[[Idea Guy Q&A#Influencing Sonichu 12-9]]</ref> Chris recorded [[Freestyle Dance With Me, For Our World!]] while wearing a tinfoil hat to prevent "the man" from reading his mind. On 11 December, Chris performed a supposed "[[Cherokean Chant]]", which in fact involved mimicking the "squatting Slav" meme and reciting Internet meme quotes from the [[wikipedia: S.T.A.L.K.E.R|''S.T.A.L.K.E.R.'']] video game series, all while [[Alcohol|drunk on half a fifth of vodka]].


I told him Chris from the past abolished women's rights so he can go on his love quest. Chris got so pissed, especially after I told him that Classic Chris helped the Nazis win WW2. |Idea Guy<ref name=q&a></ref>}}
[[File:Drawing with Japanese text (closeup of signature).png|thumb|200px|right|Chris was tricked into believing the Japanese text translated to his signature, however, it translates to "I am carrying a penis."]]
Chris was also tricked into writing [[Bob Walks In Aftermath|edgy jokes in foreign languages]]. In November 2017, Chris posted artwork featuring [[Sailor Moon]] characters conversing with his CWCville counterpart; he was actually tricked into writing "I am carrying a penis", among other things, in Japanese.<ref>[[November 2017 Patreon posts#Chris writes about dicks, thinks it's his signature]]</ref> The drawing may have been the earliest instance of Wise's trickery, as it was dated 18 October 2017, falling in between Wise's initial contact and the debut of his John Yamada persona. In December, more art was posted,<ref>[[December 2017 Facebook posts#"Translated" Sailor Moon drawings]]</ref> this one featuring the [[Wikipedia:Meine Ehre heißt Treue|SS motto]] as well as German lines from the video games [[wikipedia: Brothers in Arms (video game series)|''Brothers in Arms'']] and [[wikipedia: Wolfenstein: The New Order|''Wolfenstein: The New Order'']]. Chris also tried to write the "signature" line again, although he accidentally wrote it with a typo. The German translations in particular put Chris's [[naïve|naïveté]] on full display, with some of the German dialogue featuring words such as "Zebra", "Evolution" and "Universum", which are similar or identical to English counterparts that are obviously absent in the supposed translations. A January 2018 post congratulating [[Magi-Chan]] and [[Mewtwo]] on tying the knot also contained Swedish text giving a shout-out to [[Kiwi Farms]].<ref name=gaymarriage></ref>


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==Escalation==
File:CWC gets kicked.jpg |Christine kicks Chris in the nuts.
[[File:Smashing (720p 30fps H264-192kbit AAC).mp400002.png|thumb|150px|A still from [[Smashing]] showing the destroyed [[Christine Doll]].]]
File:CWC ded.jpg |Chris dies from testicular trauma.
File:CWC vs Hitler.jpg|Hitler is zapped to the extreme.
File:ChristineNude.jpeg|Self portrait of Christine in nude, recovered from the "Futanari virus".
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====[[Sonichu (character)|Sonichu]]====
The manipulation of Chris over his fantasy world gradually escalated. In [[January 2018]], Wise role-played as [[Nazis]] and led Chris to believe they had bugged his [[Christine Doll]]. Chris retaliated by destroying it in [[Smashing]]. Days later, Chris also destroyed his miniature Christmas tree in [[Get Out, You D*** Nazis]].
[[File:CWCSonichu Rule34.jpeg|thumb|200px|Chris butt-fucking Sonichu in comic form in order to fulfill a prophecy for [[Crystal]]'s birth.]]


[[Magi-Chan]] foretold of a prophecy in which [[Crystal]] would be born by Chris mating with Sonichu. He also informed Chris that if this was drawn, he wouldn't have to do it in real life. Chris complied<ref name=q&a></ref>.
[[File:Cryzel Torture chatlog excerpt.png|thumb|left|200px|Wise and Boyd team up to manipulate Chris during [[Cryzel Torture]].]]


[[Sonichu 15|''Sonichu'' #15]], a book Chris had wanted to use for a modern retelling of [[Sonichu 0|''Sonichu'' #0]] prior to his known interactions with the Idea Guy, has significant alterations to the canon of the comics. Sonichu's new birthday is given as April 20th, or "4/20" – representing the slang term "[[Tobacky#Cannabis|420]]", but also coinciding with Adolf Hitler's birthday and the anniversary of the Columbine massacre.
By [[April 2018]], the Idea Guys had a sadistic hold over Chris's beliefs. In [[Cryzel Torture]], one of the leaked chatlogs from late that month, Wise role-played as [[wikipedia: Sword Art Online|''Sword Art Online'']] character Pitohui and graphically described torturing Chris's imaginary wife, [[Cryzel]], for several hours, with Boyd providing backup.


{{clear}}
According to [[The Captain]], at some point, Boyd told Chris to punch his mother. The Captain stated that, "There is no video or photographic evidence of Chris punching his mother.


Another change in birthday is for [[Magi-chan]], which was changed to 14 November, 1948<ref>https://tweetsave.com/cwcsonichu/status/987472560114806786</ref> - the joke being that this made him [[Sex|69 years old]] - making him the oldest Sonichu in the comic. It is also the same birthdate of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles,_Prince_of_Wales Prince Charles, the current heir apparent to the British throne].
In a private chat with Wise, Chris claims that he punched his mother at Boyd's insistence for failing a quiz or some shit like that. Chris states to Wise that Boyd told him to "Punch your mother" and Chris claims to Wise that he did it."<ref>{{cite farms|thread=41369|post=3563096}}</ref>


Halfway through December, Chris exclaimed that [[Silvana]] had been lost in the past, but that there was a way to bring her back if his followers would "BELIEVE In Silvana Rosechu, and her Fullest Existence in Cwcville, Virginia, USA, Of All Timelines, Worlds and Dimensions!". She was revived in a new form, with her old one destroyed.<ref name=silvana>[[December 2017 Facebook posts#Silvana lost in the past]]</ref>
Wise often forced Chris to have phone sex with him, though there is no recording of these calls.<ref>[[Kiwi_Farms_posts_(The_Captain)#Phone_Sex]]</ref>


Sonichu lore was changed from an unknown number of Sonichu species to an exact number - [[Sex|69]]<ref name=silvana></ref> - which Chris had to retcon [[Sonichu 8]] to fit in.
{{clear}}


On 5 January, Chris posted that [[Magi-Chan]] and his mentor, Mewtwo, had gotten married – showing that gay marriage is indeed legal in CWCville.<ref name=gaymarriage>[[January 2018 Facebook posts‎‎#Mewtwo and Magi-Chan married]]</ref> They now live as a "loving [[Chris and English|triage]]" with [[Silvana]].
==Blackmail and extortion allegations==
{{see also|2018 Sales Listings}}


After Idea Guy was outed, Chris resumed uploading pages for [[Sonichu 12-9|''Sonichu'' #12-9]]. In it, jokes and references inserted by Idea Guy survived: [[Night Star]] and [[Jessica Quinn|Diamond Melody]] order a hotdog from a Tesco merchant (Tesco had a scandal involving selling beef with horse meat to customers). Night Star also rambles about her age, giving references to ''Gears of War''.<ref>[[November 2017 Patreon posts]]</ref>
{{quote|So naturally once they have Chris believing [they can destroy CWCville], they have Chris confessing to being a pedophile and raping his mother. Once they have those confessions, they threaten to release it to the public if he doesn't record himself shitting on the floor and punching himself in the face until tears and snot are running down his chin. At one point, they ask Chris to punch his mother, which he does (though he claims lightly).|Guard Dog Null describing the Idea Guys' sadistic exploitation of Chris.<ref name=tcce>[[The Chris-Chan Extortionists]]</ref>}}


Similarly, in-progress work on [[Sonichu 14]] shows Chris still using Idea Guy's suggestions.
[[File:Discord3.jpg|thumb|200px|The fictional superweapon Kadingir, as depicted in anime series ''Symphogear''. The Idea Guys used this image to con Chris into believing they had the capability to destroy the moon and CWCville.<ref name=bad>[[The Bad Beginning]]</ref>]]


Partial pages of [[Sonichu 16]] were posted by Kiwi Farms users whom Idea Guy had confided in, the plot of which involves his explanation on how he got access to Chris and the nightmarish state of CWCville he had described to him. Chris retained the story after the Idea Guys were ousted, however, his allies suggested that he avoid publishing the issue.
The [[Guard Dogs]] alleged that the Idea Guys managed to extort $6,000 worth of gift cards, video games, and other accessories from Chris by threatening to destroy his imaginary city [[CWCville]]: In addition to that, Boyd also demanded $20,000,<ref name=bad></ref> or else he would report Chris as a pedophile to the FBI.<ref name=tcce></ref> Guard Dog [[The Captain]] also stated that the Idea Guys had "forced Chris to record a series of videos to his Google Drive [...] in order to use them as leverage against him in the future," which included content such as [[Tour of Chris's House III]], [[Chris slaps himself]], and an unreleased two-hour video of Chris reacting to "grotesque pornography".<ref name=tcce></ref>


===Real people===
The Idea Guys, while role-playing as fictional characters, had convinced Chris they had the means to destroy CWCville. Wise, posing as anime series ''Symophogear'' villain Finé - whose backstory involves being the creator of a particle-ion cannon titled Kadingir with the capability to destroy the moon<ref>https://symphogear.fandom.com/wiki/Kadingir</ref> - claimed that the destroyed moon chunks would then fall onto CWCville. Idea Guy Boyd, posing as Gwen Mikoto, affirmed Wise's claims and also threatened to erase the dimension in which CWCville resides by nuking it.<ref name=bad></ref>
====Theories on Ted Bundy====


Chris stated several wild theories about serial killer Ted Bundy during the [[Count Dankula]] interview.
When the Guard Dogs rescued Chris from the Idea Guys' influence, they told him the moon destroying weapon did not exist and Chris became "extremely angry" at the revelation.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-chris-chan-extortionists.45366/post-3550216</ref>


====Sonichu genealogy for Chris, Bob and Ted Bundy====
The Idea Guys had [[brainwashed]] Chris into believing himself a pedophile by telling him that the [[BlueSpike]] cyber sex logs and having had crushes on high school classmates during high school counted as pedophilia. After being freed from their influence, Chris no longer believed it.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-bad-beginning.45651/post-3577677</ref>
Chris was told that some people are half-Sonichu, such as Chris, his father [[Bob]] and serial killer [[wikipedia:Ted Bundy|Ted Bundy]]. [[Barb]], on the other hand, is full human.


This idea was implanted into Chris prior to Josh Wise being doxed in January 2018; Chris maintained belief in this even after the Idea Guys had been finally removed from power in May 2018, bringing it up in June 2018 during the [[Count Dankula]] interview.
[[File:Moon threat excerpts The Bad Beginning chatlog.png|thumb|left|200px|Excerpts from [[The Bad Beginning]] chatlog in which the Idea Guys use the threat of moon chunks leveling CWCville to pressure Chris.]]


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To pay off the Idea Guys, Chris raised money from [[eBay]] sales of his toys and pieces of the Chandler hoard. Guard Dog [[The Captain]] stated that the Idea Guys "were telling him what to sell/urging him to dig through more boxes, etc. in an effort to find things to hawk on eBay to make money for them."<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/financhu-crisis-chris-sells-his-stuff-megathread.41369/post-3675397</ref> In addition, $1,200 gifted to him from [[Jack Jankowski]], meant to go towards attending [[BronyCon 2018]], was sent to the Idea Guys. Though this were not enough to satisfy their demands, as in April 2018, Chris withheld a [[14 Branchland Court#Mortgage|mortgage payment]], putting the Chandlers at severe risk of losing their home.<ref>[[WE NEED MONEY FOR MORTGAGE NOW, PLEASE]]</ref>
File:Bobchu.jpeg|Bob as a Sonichu named "Robertchu." Drawn in December 2017 and leaked the following month.
File:Father's Day 2018.jpg|Chris and Robertchu, in a drawing for Father's Day in June 2018.
File:Bundychu.jpeg|[[wikipedia:Ted Bundy|Ted Bundy]] as a Sonichu
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====[[Megan Schroeder]]====
On 24 April 2018, with Chris in dire financial straits, the Idea Guys influenced him into posting a tweet offering to [[Chris and sex#Prostitution|prostitute]] himself.<ref>[[April 2018 social media posts#Will provide house tour and suck dicks for money]].</ref> He stated his price to be $50 for blowjobs and $100 for butt sex.<ref>[[:File:NAME YOUR PRICE!!.jpeg]]</ref> Days later, the Idea Guys were removed from power by the [[Guard Dogs]], and the situation did not escalate further. In May, Chris disavowed the prostitution messages and stated that he had been coerced into making them.<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20191107173201/https://twitter.com/cwcsonichu/status/993693423084318720</ref>
In July 2018, Chris, during a long rant on being a chronicler for the ''Sonichu''-verse, mentioned a belief that Megan has the memories of [[Hyperdimension Neptunia|CPU Red Heart]], which she had earned while in politics<ref>[[July 2018 social media posts]]</ref>.


===Chris trying to meet an anime girl IRL===
Chris kept each of the invoices and receipts from the transactions he made for the Idea Guys. The Guard Dogs received screencaps and photos of the receipts, hoping to use the items as evidence in an official investiation; when that fell through, Guard Dog Null posted them publicly to the Kiwi Farms forum.<ref name=tcce></ref>
{{quote|I let him go to GameStop looking for Neptune while honking his horn and shouting her name. [...] He went up to the window and “thoroughly scanned” the inside for Neptune. [...] The Forest lakes GameStop. He went there because I said Neptune would wait at a GameStop. For some reason he went to the one he got banned from, so I went with it.|Idea Guy<ref name=q&a></ref>}}


===Chris abandoning Christianity for Hyperdimension Neptunia===
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IdeaGuyCWCreligion1.png|Chris discusses religion, abandons Christianity.  
File:IdeaGuyExtortionGift.png|Email confirmation of an item Chris bought for Boyd.
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File:IdeaGuyReceipts1.jpg|Receipts of items Chris bought for Wise and Boyd, including Amazon and Steam gift cards.
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File:IdeaGuyReceipts2.jpg|Chris retained many receipts.
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===Marrying Chris to Cryzel Rosechu and Magi-Chan===
==Removal from power==
{{main|Cryzel and Magi-Chan}}
===January 2018===
Chris began a polyamorous relationship with fictional characters [[Cryzel Rosechu]] and [[Magi-Chan]] on 26 March 2018. Eventually, Chris declared himself to be bisexual after having had Magi-Chan as a boyfriend.
An early attempt to stop Wise's influence over Chris was made in January 2018. At the time, there had been no indication of the extortion or sadistic manipulation over Chris that was to come; the intervention was made, according to a Kiwi Farms moderator, because the output of his early manipulation was "total trash."<ref name=sneasel>[[:File:Yawning Sneasel comment on first Idea Guy dox.png]]</ref>


Strangely, Chris continued to hold onto this delusion even after the Idea Guys were removed from power<ref name=stillbelievingmarriage>[[May 2018 social media posts#On the Cryzel and Magi-Chan relationship and being blackmailed]]</ref>.
{{quote|We have seen all we needed to see and nothing more would be gained from seeing more [[Cherokean Chant|squatting, tracksuits]] and the introduction of Pepechu.|Yawning Sneasel, one of the Kiwi Farms moderators involved with the first doxing.}}


===Chris liking flat-chested women===
On 22 January 2018, Wise was doxed on Kiwi Farms<ref name=22jandox>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/idea-guy-joshua-wise-manipulating-the-intellecutally-disabled-for-fun-megathread.37132/post-2984638 (Archive https://archive.fo/fmLt3)</ref> and the [[dox]] of his family members was included as a deterrent.<ref name=sneasel></ref> However, Wise persisted in contact with Chris - one of Chris's drawings of Wise's character [[Kun T'Nyuget]] was made the next day,<ref>[[:File:Also, Introducing Kun T’Nyuget.png]]</ref> implying Wise did not cut communications with Chris.
[[File:Flat-chested women April 2018.jpg|thumb|200px]]


Early in April, Chris posted a drawing commemorating flat-chested women, depicting himself as flat-chested instead of with the usual comically-large breasts.<ref name=aprilposts></ref>
Chris's social media output over the next few months gradually indicated that he was under manipulation. The public, uncertain over whether it was Wise again, referred to the resurgence as "Idea Guy 2.0", and it was later alleged by the Guard Dogs that Wise was part of it.


{{clear}}
{{quote|He got doxed, people forgot about him, and instead of thinking "hmm, boy, I dodged a bullet! well, better safe than sorry, let's pack it in!".


===Turning Chris bisexual===
He goes "AUGH YEAH, coast's clear, start 'er back up again!"|[[Guard Dog]] Marvin.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-chris-chan-extortionists.45366/post-3551679</ref>}}
[[File:CWC like video of shirtless men.png|thumb|Chris liked a video featuring [[Muscle bra|shirtless men]] in April 2018.]]


On 10 April 2018, Chris came out as [[Chris and sexuality#Bisexuality|bisexual]], saying he had done so after discussion with [[Cryzel and Magi-Chan]].<ref name=aprilposts>[[April 2018 social media posts]]</ref> Days later, he uploaded a disturbing video, [[Dick Licker; that is I.]], in which he licked an image of Magi-Chan's penis drawn on a wall (and was comfortable enough to mention that he had given oral sex to Magi-Chan to a Twitter ween.<ref name=price></ref>). He also updated his [[Facebook]] to note that he is a bisexual transwoman, "interested in men and women".
===April 2018===
{{main|The Chris-Chan Extortionists‎}}


A clue as to how Chris was manipulated into a belief that went against his hard stance of being a lesbian is in a quote from a set of bizarre tweets Chris posted on 17 April:<ref name=bizarre>[[April 2018 social media posts#Chris's Twitter controlled by troll]]</ref>
[[File:The Captain Amnyfest Ring photoshop (compressed from original).jpg|thumb|200px|[[The Captain]]'s photoshopped image of Chris's [[Amnyfest Ring]], used to convince Chris to trust him instead of the Idea Guys.]]


{{quote|I would have sex with my Cwcville counterpart, and even my Equestria Counterpart, Nightstar. Her sweetie, Kun T'Nyuget, was so handsome, he made me realize I was Bisexual. He was like, WOW!}}
In April 2018, [[The Captain]] was informed by people close to Chris that they suspected he was being manipulated and extorted. In that same month, the Idea Guys forced Chris to sell his [[Amnyfest Ring]] on [[eBay]] - the buyer was The Captain. Borrowing from the Idea Guys' tactics, The Captain used the ring as a tool to gain Chris's trust by playing into his fantasies, role-playing about [[Magi-Chan]]<ref>The Captain's Kiwi Farms posts [https://kiwifarms.net/threads/financhu-crisis-chris-sells-his-stuff-megathread.41369/post-3767203 here] (archive: https://archive.fo/cIVI0) and [https://kiwifarms.net/threads/financhu-crisis-chris-sells-his-stuff-megathread.41369/page-142#post-3766239 here] (archive: https://archive.fo/ZJ1fB), and Chris's perspective from [[Sonichu 13]]'s epilogue</ref> and telling him the ring was sending him messages that the [[CPUs]] (personas used by the Idea Guys) were hacked and not to be trusted.


Kun T'Nyuget was an Idea Guy character planted into CWCville in January. It fits with the Idea Guys' pattern of manipulating Chris by altering CWCville via role-playing and Chris believing it.
{{quote|I simply told him that the ring was sending me morse code messages and that the [Idea Guys] were lying to him. So I did a five minute photoshop of the ring glowing and sent it to Chris as well as a piece of notepaper where I wrote "The CPUs have been hacked. Don't trust the CPUs" claiming that was the morse code message.


===Making Chris into a prostitute===
Sure enough, Chris believed it [...] and proceeded to give me his passwords and everything else - that's how we got to where we are today. [...] Without that ring we may NEVER have found out what happened|The Captain.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/posts/3566885/ (Archive https://archive.fo/WBwyL)</ref>}}


On 24 April 2018, Chris announced:<ref>https://tweetsave.com/cwcsonichu/status/988803950165012480</ref>
Trusting The Captain, Chris gave him direct access to his accounts, including [[Discord]], so The Captain could "scan for viruses".


{{quotebox|Anyone living locally to me in Virginia, or visiting in Charlottesville, I’ll give y’all BJs for money too. Serious.}}
{{quote|When I logged onto the Discord I was appalled - the level of absurdity that these guys had gone to in order to take advantage of Chris was beyond belief. I saw the constant requests for money, threats, blackmail, etc. and Chris' responses and was simply floored. They were forcing Chris to post videos, Twitter statuses, etc. all in order to get their kicks in addition to the constant requests for money|The Captain,<ref name=tcce></ref>}}


A Twitter ween DM'd Chris about it. In the conversation, Chris said:<ref name=price>[[:File:NAME YOUR PRICE!!.jpeg]]</ref>
The Captain teamed up with [[Marvin]] to gather evidence. Telling Chris to take a break from the Internet - and to catch up on TV shows the Idea Guys had banned him from watching - The Captain, with Marvin's coaching, role-played as Chris in the Idea Guys' Discord server to stall while Marvin worked to capture the Discord chatlogs.


{{quotebox|Consider me a beginner with experience blowing [[Cryzel and Magi-Chan|my loving boyfriend]], willing to learn and adapt further. $50 for that BJ from this celeb; if he wants butt sex, that will be $100. Cash only.}}
{{quote|At one point [the Idea Guys] wanted Chris to post photographic evidence that he was indeed himself, writing a message on a dry erase board. I had Chris take said picture for me and then forwarded it to them, etc. Eventually, @Marvin built a script to rip the chat logs from Discord, which amounted to hundreds of pages of autistic debauchery in which these speds took advantage of Chris. When the script was finished and we had the chat logs and images we simply went silent on the Discord and a couple days later Wise and Boyd got freaked out and attempted to sanitize it, banning Chris from the channel and deleting every private message they had sent him one by one.|The Captain.<ref name=tcce></ref>}}


Chris told Twitter fan [[CWCProtectSquad|Tings Tingz]] that he was indeed serious about prostituting himself, had several offers, but had not taken on any customers. When asked if he would consider, Chris responded, "a little from Column 'A' and the latter from Column 'B'".<ref>File:TingsTingz concern for the prostitution message.jpg</ref>
On 29 April, Chris referenced the Idea Guys' removal from power over Twitter.


Chris disavowed the prostitution messages on 7 May 2018, saying he had been coerced.<ref>https://tweetsave.com/cwcsonichu/status/993693423084318720</ref> He went further on 25 May, saying he had been forced to write such things, and that the people responsible for it – one from California and another from Kentucky – "know who They Are and their Day is Coming and Rightfully SOON!".<ref name=callingout></ref>
{{quote|feeling blessed.


===Other content===
I am aware that many people are worried about me. Do Not Fear! I am in a Good Place and everything will be Okay! Things will be figured out soon enough.|Chris.<ref>[[April 2018 social media posts#I know people are worried]]</ref>}}
On 7 December, Chris posted a "dark" [[Pokémon]] fan theory, lamenting that Pokémon are kept in suspended animation with "NO Simulated Fields made from Virtual Reality! NO Living Room Apartment Setting! NOTHING! Suspended Animation in Dark".<ref>[[December 2017 Facebook posts#What it's like in a Pokeball]]</ref>


On 11 December, Chris performed a supposed "[[Cherokean Chant]]", which in fact involved mimicking the "squatting Slav" meme and reciting Internet meme quotes from the ''S.T.A.L.K.E.R.'' video game series, all while [[Alcohol|drunk on half a fifth of vodka]].
A month later, Chris revealed a bit more, saying he had "very Powerful Allies helping to rectify the situation. I can't say much other than certain people should be Very Frightened right now!"<ref name=stillbelievingmarriage>[[May 2018 social media posts#On the Cryzel and Magi-Chan relationship and being blackmailed]]</ref>


On 21 April 2018, Chris recorded [[I’m Sorry for Ruining so many Fandoms]].
===Attempted return===
According to [[The Captain]], one of the Idea Guys attempted to engage with Chris once more, but Chris rejected it.


===="Translated" dialogue====
{{quote|And then everything just sort of settled down for several weeks. At one point Chris received some texts from either Boyd or Wise attempting to roleplay {{w|The Dark Tower (series)|the Dark Tower}} with him, to which Chris replied, "I'll do it for $6,000!" and naturally, they didn't message again.|The Captain.<ref name=tcce></ref>}}
In November and December, Chris drew what he believed to be artwork featuring [[Sailor Moon]] characters conversing with his comic counterpart in foreign languages. However, he was actually tricked into writing "I am carrying a penis", among other things, in Japanese.<ref>[[November 2017 Patreon posts#Chris writes about dicks, thinks it's his signature]]</ref>


A month later, more "translated" art was posted,<ref>[[December 2017 Facebook posts#"Translated" Sailor Moon drawings]]</ref> this one featuring the [[Wikipedia:Meine Ehre heißt Treue|SS motto]] as well as German lines from the video games ''Brothers in Arms'' and ''Wolfenstein: The New Order''. In addition, Chris tried to write the "I am carrying a penis" line again, although he accidentally wrote it with a typo.
==Reported to authorities==
{{quote|Chris did eventually print my IC3 report and hand it in to the station himself [...] Since then it has been dead air. No one has contacted Chris, no one has contacted me, no one has done anything.|Guard Dog [[Null]] describes his frustrations with the lack of an investigation.<ref name=tcce></ref>}}


The German translations in particular put Chris's [[naïve|naïveté]] on full display, with some of the German dialogue featuring words such as "Zebra", "Evolution" and "Universum", which are similar or identical to English counterparts that are obviously absent in the supposed translations, yet [[Slow-in-the-minds|he was none the wiser]].
With their archives of the Idea Guys' Discord chatlogs with Chris, as well as Chris providing the receipts and invoices of gifts sent to them, the [[Guard Dogs]] attempted to report the Idea Guys to the authorities.


Chris's note congratulating Magi-Chan and Mewtwo on tying the knot contains Swedish text giving a shout-out to [[Kiwi Farms]].<ref name=gaymarriage></ref>
Null contacted the Greene County Sheriff, local to Chris, to discuss the matter. The sheriff interpreted things as a matter of choice from Chris. Null also contacted the FBI, both through their online contact form and also by handing a copy to an FBI agent, as the alleged extortion occurred across state lines. Chris later took a printed copy of Null's report to his local police station and turned it in. However, there have been no signs of an investigation as Null and Chris were not contacted back.<ref name=tcce></ref>


==Gallery of leaked content==
== Lingering influence ==
{{see also|Sonichu 16}}


<center><gallery>
{{quote|If you want BAD DIRECTION, you should look up Idea Guy.|Chris, in the middle of restating his belief that he is married to [[Cryzel and Magi-Chan]], an Idea Guy concept.<ref>[[June 2018 social media posts#Sonichu 12-9 approaches completion]]</ref>}}
File:IdeaGuyCwc News Media.PNG|Used to reveal Cwcville's Russian occupation.
File:IdeaGuyCwc News Media3.jpg|Fake news about Count Graduon.
File:PerceptorSonichu.jpeg|Perceptor Sonichu, adopted daughter of Magi-chan and Mewtwo
File:IdeaGuyMap.jpeg|A map Idea Guy made
</gallery></center>


===Private messages===
[[File:Digman (Dark Idea Guy) TSSSF.jpg|thumb|200px|"Dark Idea Guy" as envisioned by Chris months after the Idea Guys had been ousted.]]


As Ballzymaker94, Idea Guy had contacted several members of Kiwi Farms through private messaging to discuss his trolling efforts. After he was doxed by the site's moderators on 22 January 2018, the users came forward to post the content he had shared with them.
Despite the Idea Guys being removed from power in [[April 2018]], the damage to Chris’s sense of reality has lingered. Their actions gave him a sense of validation and boosted his confidence in his pre-existing beliefs about [[dimensions]] and psychically linking with his [[imaginary friends]].


[[File:KF mod on ideaguy.png|thumb|200px|A Kiwi Farms moderator elaborates on why they forced the Idea Guy saga to end.]]
Chris, though aware of the Idea Guys’ malevolence, continues to believe in many of the concepts they had instilled into him. The most notable being the [[Dimensional Merge]], which he believes will magically solve the [[Financhu Crisis]] and bring [[CWCville]]/[[C-197]] and all fictional characters to life; and lore from video game series ''[[Hyperdimension Neptunia]]'', in particular CPU goddesses, which crystalized into Chris believing he is [[CPU Blue Heart]]. Other concepts that Chris still holds on to include his [[bisexual]]ity,<ref>[[Copitz]] interview.</ref> his [[polyamorous marriage]] (which paused the [[Love Quest]] - [[Affair with Mother|temporarily, at least]]), [[Robertchu]], theories about [[Ted Bundy]],<ref>[[Count Dankula]] interview, June 2018.</ref> and the [[The 69 Destined Sonichus and Rosechus|69 Sonichus and Rosechus]].<ref>[[Nightstar is a very important Special Sonichu]]</ref>


He had not shared all of his content and chat logs over PM, and generally summarized his interactions with Chris. He offered to trade in all of his information in exchange for the moderators removing the dox of his family members, however, they refused the deal on the grounds that they disliked his public trolling output.
On 3 August 2018, Chris posted [[Sonichu 13#Epilogue|an epilogue to ''Sonichu 13'']], which offered clues as to why he maintains belief in the Idea Guys' lore. In it, he stated that Wise's "slanderous, destructive efforts only strengthened my own psychic links with [[C-197|our world, there]]." To Chris, the Idea Guys had been "royally messing" with not only him, but also "literally" the Earth, [[Equestria]] and the CPU goddesses. Chris stated his belief that Wise, "has his own link and grasp of out [sic] world there" and that he ultimately restored [[CWCville]] and released the CPU goddesses from Wise's control.


One user had a lengthy conversation with him, spanning from 3 December to 18 December 2017, archived in [[Idea Guy Q&A]]. In it, Idea Guy discusses how he had gained Chris’s trust, how Chris reacted to some of his ideas and mentions content which had not been publicly released, such as Chris wanting intel on whether Jessica Quinn was actually a troll, how Chris tried to prevent [[Jamsta]] from being jailed for molestation and Chris’s attempts to interact with Neptunia goddesses.
Guard Dog [[Marvin]] posted on Kiwi Farms on his opinion of Chris's continued belief in the Idea Guys' canon:


==Extortion==
{{quoteboxgreen|"[[Reality]]" is a malleable concept to Chris.
What was the final straw in the unpopular views of the Idea Guys were their acts of extortion to Chris. Null, the owner of Kiwi Farms, revealed that they managed to extort $6,000 worth of video games and other accessories. Not only that, in a [[The Bad Beginning|Discord chat]], Boyd would demand $20,000 or else he would reveal that Chris is a pedophile to the FBI. Fortunately, Chris's tendency to hold on to things obsessively assisted him this time, as Chris had kept each of the invoices and receipts from the transactions he made, allowing Null to gather the necessary information to begin tracking the Idea Guys.


<center><gallery>
To Chris, that these losers were pretending to be imaginary characters doesn't mean they they didn't unwittingly connect with their counterparts in the other dimension or whatever. So yeah, he thinks Wise and Boyd were assholes who stumbled upon some magic or some shit.
File:IdeaGuyExtortionGift.png|Email confirmation of an item Chris bought for Boyd.
File:IdeaGuyReceipts1.jpg|Receipts of items Chris bought for Wise and Boyd, including Amazon and Steam gift cards.
File:IdeaGuyReceipts2.jpg|Chris (wisely) retained many receipts.
</gallery></center>


==Idea Guy, post-doxing==
Chris is mostly mad about money first and being made to embarrass himself second.
Even though the first Idea Guy was doxed by The Farms, he foolishly refused to give up, and continued to exert his control on Chris in increasingly disturbing ways. After Idea Guy was doxed, Chris continued to wear the [[Chris and fashion|Gopnik outfit]] which Idea Guy had him don for the [[Cherokean Chant]] video, which became a staple of his fashion. Chris also modified his [[medallion]] shortly before Idea Guy was doxed, to feature an item from ''Hyperdimension Neptunia'' – this also continued after Idea Guy left and can be seen in [[Our signatures]], a video recorded months later. In April 2018, Chris posted a drawing of him showing support for flat-chested women, with his character wearing both the Gopnik outfit and modified medallion. On 20 April, when asked by a troll, he affirmed that it was indeed Sonichu's birthday, that Magi-chan was born in 1948 (making him the oldest of the Electric Hedgehog Pokémon), and that Sonichu's previous canonical birthday was actually the day "[[Reality Cartoon|he came More into this world]] and in my life".<ref>[[April 2018 social media posts#A birthday "surprise"]]</ref>


In March 2018, a ween brought up the Nazi camps, and Chris responded:<ref>[[March 2018 social media posts]]</ref>
In regards to why he still maintains a lot of their canon, it's because Chris is too invested in his imaginary world to give up on it so easily. I think after Wise and Boyd were outed, he felt really uncomfortable about retconning most of their changes. Because if he retcons the past six months, then fuck, why can't he retcon all of it? That would make him feel really uneasy about the possible reality of his imaginary world.


{{quote|That was Graduon’s Idea; NOT Mine.}}
That reality is most important to him.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/page-816#post-4002093 (https://archive.md/9GYiD)</ref>}}


An out-of-character video surfaced in April, [[One-Hundred!]], in which Chris exercises with dumbbells.
{{quote|So, you just admitted you were and still are [[Chris and manipulation|manipulated]] by the Idea Guys. [[Dimensional Merge|The merge]], [[Messiah complex|the]] [[CPU Blue Heart|goddess]] [[Chris and religion|stuff]], all of it. Christine, if you’re still in there it’s not too late fix your life for the better. It’s ok to face [[Chris and reality|reality]]
|A concerned fan on Twitter in December 2020.}}


On 17 April, the influence over Chris became much more obvious. Chris's Twitter account repeatedly posted slanderous lies about him.<ref name=aprilposts></ref> He then deleted the tweets, claiming a hack had occurred – this is unlikely due to the speed at which he was able to remove the posts. Chris, being [[naïve]], may have been coerced just as he was for the prostitution messages.
{{quote|No, that has been stopped in April, and made undone with [[Magical thinking|Chris' Aether and abilities]]. [[List of Chris's lies|We are not under the influence of IdeaGuy.]]|[[Christian Weston Chandler|Chris]], [[Spirit possession|"possessed" by]] [[Sonichu (character)|Sonichu]], denying the influence of the Idea Guys [[List of beliefs brainwashed into Chris|while clinging to the lore they tricked him into believing]].<ref>[[December 2020 social media posts#Ben Saint and Idea Guys]]</ref>}}


===Links between Josh Wise and post-dox Idea Guy===
Chris, in June 2021, stated that the Idea Guys made his Top 5 list of people who made the most negative impacts on his life (alongside [[Jakoba]], [[Michael Snyder]], [[BlueSpike]], and the staff at [[Nathanael Greene Elementary School]]). Though Chris blamed the Idea Guys "for their "Dimensions’ level of damage", he gave credit to them for validating his beliefs. As such, Chris believed that BlueSpike, the Nathanael Greene staff, and Michael Snyder had the most negative impacts on his life.<ref>[[June 2021 social media posts#Discussing trolls and other stuff]]</ref>
[[File:Chris Chan Sonichu Cheeki Breeki.jpg|200px|thumb|"Cheeki Breeki" appears a month after Wise had been doxed.]]


*In a tweet on 16 April, Chris inadvertently let slip a clue as to how he was being trolled, the same technique used before the doxing:
{{quote|Even though IdeaGuy did Dimensions’ level of damage, his impact has left me with further self-progression, analysis and appreciation, confidence boost, affirming the link between the separated universe halves with my consciousness, leading the way to chill my ego and whatnot in the needed self-healing and work.|Chris on why the Idea Guys did not make the top on his list of most negative people.}}


{{quotebox|I had not heard much of the Nostalgia Critic yet, but in Cwcville, apparently, Christine and the Hedgehog Boys made a song about him, “The Nostalgia Critic Did Nothing Wrong!” So, some of my family and species likes him. Cool. :) <ref name=aprilposts></ref>}}
== Idea Guy Q&A and other Kiwi farms shenanigans ==
{{main|Idea Guy Q&A}}
[[File:IdeaGuyKiwifarm.png|right|250px|thumb|Wise's Kiwi Farms Profile.]]
The ringleader of the Idea Guys, Joshua Wise, signed up to [[Kiwi Farms]] under the name Ballzymaker94 and had several private conversations with select users, soliciting feedback over his early schemes.


* Chris drew [[Kun T’Nyuget]] on 23 January 2018, merely one day after Wise had been doxed, but did not reveal it until months later in May 2018. The character next surfaced as a mention in a set of tweets in April, in connection with an Idea Guy plot on turning Chris bisexual.<ref name=bizarre></ref>
Aside from Wise. Boyd alongside with the Unnamed Canadian also had their own handlers on the site, under the names of NinFreakLan and de_DEVIL_tails respectively.<ref name=tcce></ref>
* In December 2017, Josh Wise had Chris film [[Cherokean Chant]], which featured him reciting a video game meme, ''Cheeki Breeki'', because Chris believed it to be a chant of Cherokees.<ref name=q&a></ref> The Cheeki Breeki lines surfaced again in a drawing of Chris Chan Sonichu, dated February 2018.
* During May 2018, Chris made many tweets indicating that his association with the Idea Guys had ended. In one tweet, he called them out on a couple of schemes which had taken place in [[April 2018]], and said:<ref name=callingout></ref>


{{quote|The People who Did THAT to me know who They Are and their Day is Coming and Rightfully SOON! I Know you Read This - Don't Get Too Comfortable Jerks in The Bluegrass State or Golden State!}}
One user from the [[Kiwi Farms]] had a lengthy conversation with Wise, spanning from 3 December to 18 December 2017 archived in the [[Idea Guy Q&A]]. In it, Wise discusses how he had gained Chris’s trust, and how Chris reacted to some of his ideas and mentions content which had not been publicly released. For example, Chris's inquiry on whether or not [[Jessica Quinn]] was actually a troll, how Chris tried to prevent [[Jamsta]] from being jailed for molestation, and Chris’s attempts to interact with Neptunia goddesses.


Notably, Josh Wise resides in California, a.k.a. the Golden State.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/idea-guy-joshua-wise-manipulating-the-intellecutally-disabled-for-fun-megathread.37132/page-65#post-2984638</ref>
Wise also briefly conversed with other members of the forum, archived in [[Misc Idea Guy chats]]. After he was doxed by the site's moderators on 22 January 2018, many users came forward to post content and conversations that he had shared with them.


==Still a believer==
He hadn't shared all of his content over PMs, generally only summarizing his interactions with Chris. After he was exposed, he offered to trade in all of his information in exchange for the moderators removing the dox of his family members. They refused on the grounds that they disliked his public trolling output and believed the dox would be an incentive for him to stay away from Chris,<ref name=sneasel></ref> a message which Wise ignored.
{{quote|If you want BAD DIRECTION, you should look up Idea Guy.|Chris, in the middle of restating his belief that he is married to [[Cryzel and Magi-Chan]], an Idea Guy concept<ref>https://tweetsave.com/cwcsonichu/status/1005602044818984960</ref>}}


After Idea Guy was removed from power in May 2018, Chris still maintained belief in many of the concepts that were embedded into him, despite being aware that Idea Guy is a troll. In the [[Copitz]] interview, filmed a few weeks later, Chris restated that he was bisexual, and in the [[Count Dankula]] interview, filmed in June, Chris reiterated many of the ideas fed to him about CWCville when asked about his beliefs, such as his marriage to Cryzel and Magi-Chan, Bob being part-Sonichu and theories about Ted Bundy. In [[Nightstar is a very important Special Sonichu]], Chris still believes in the joke revision that there are 69 species of Sonichus/Rosechus.
==Gallery==
 
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==Cryzel Torture==
File:Ideaguy poster.jpg|A nine-page poster Wise, role-playing as CPU Neptune, requested Chris to draw,<ref>[[:File:Leak14.jpg]]</ref> which he did for free.<ref>[[Misc Idea Guy chats#Chat with Kiwi Farms member 1]]</ref> Chris later said it's the drawing that took him the most effort.<ref>[[Discord Q&A 6#Drawing that took the most effort]]</ref>
{{main|Cryzel Torture}}
File:Psychic Type Talk.jpg|Chris coped during the Idea Guys' reign by mentally retreating to [[CWCville]] and talking to his [[imaginary friends]] there.
 
File:Aether in the goddess ring.jpg|Chris believes he undid the Idea Guys' corruptions. However, he continues to maintain many beliefs they had brainwashed into him.
Despite being doxxed, Idea Guy refused to quit. On July 13, 2018, [[Null]] revealed a nine-hour-long chatlog where Wise and Stephen Boyd berate Chris and continue to convince him that his characters were being tortured. Notably, despite the fact that Chris knew about Idea Guy, he was utterly convinced (again) that everything he said was true.
File:IdeaGuyMap.jpeg|A map Joshua Wise made.
File:Johnson wiles-min.jpg|Joshua Wise's [[OC]] Johnson Wiles, in [[TSSSF]] form.
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==See also==
==See also==
*[[Bluespike]]
*[[Bundychu]]
*[[Chris and reality]]
*[[Chris and reality]]
*[[Molvanîa]]
*[[Cryzel]]
*[[Cryzel Torture]]
*[[Dimensional Merge]]
*[[IdeaGuy Corruptions]], a [[TSSSF]] pack featuring lore influenced by the Idea Guys.
*[[Kun T'Nyuget]]
*[[Idea Guy Q&A]]
*[[Misc Idea Guy chats‎]]
*[[Red Forest]]
*[[Sonichu 13]]
*[[The 69 Destined Sonichus and Rosechus]]
*[[The Bad Beginning]]
*[[The Chris-Chan Extortionists]]
*[[The group]]
*[[Teen Troon Squad]], who leaked several videos from the Idea Guys saga.


==References==
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“ Where were you when #IdeaGuy embezzled $6,000.00 from me back in 2018, while holding C-197 under Nazi torture and mind-manipulated the CPUs and SEGA Hard Girls?

I Wish I could undo his Freaking Embezzling!

”
Chris[1]
“ I'm not doing this for my entry into Christory or anything. I just like fucking with people and frankly, I'm pushing to finish this pony shit faster(which is working). ”
Joshua Wise[2]
“ Idea Guy is like glitter. We're gonna be finding bits of him in Chris's ramblings for years. ”
A Kiwi Farms commentator
Joshua Allen Wise
Information
Name Joshua Allen Wise
Date of birth (1994-08-19) August 19, 1994[3] (age 30)
Also known as Idea Guy
/pol/troll
Kyoko
John Yamada
Johnson Wiles
Ballzymaker94
BallzyCPU94
Pitohui
Gender MALE
Race White
Nationality American (California)[3]
Saga Idea Guy
Stephen Boyd
Information
Name Stephen Boyd
Date of birth (1993-02-05) February 5, 1993 (age 31)
Also known as Gwen Mikoto[4]
NinFreakLan[4]
Lan Mikoto
Pikachudips
The Unfathomable Lan
Gender MALE
Race White
Nationality American (Kentucky)[5]
Saga Idea Guy

The Idea Guys were a group of trolls who exploited Chris's escapist fantasies by role-playing as his imaginary friends. They used this influence to brainwash him, and allegedly they also blackmailed Chris out of $6,000 by threatening to destroy his imaginary city CWCville. The group began with Joshua Allen Wise (also known as The Idea Guy, or more commonly IdeaGuy by Chris) in October 2017, and at some point, Stephen Boyd and at least three other confirmed anonymous followers (A gay Chinese man, a Canadian and a fifth member who goes under the moniker of "Gruppenfuhrer Fegelein") partnered with him until the group was ousted in April 2018.

Initially their aim was to see how gullible Chris was, but this soon fell into them taking advantage of him financially and coercing him into performing many degrading acts, some of which would put BlueSpike to shame. In the process they managed to somehow make Chris become even more delusional than he already was, all the while planting some of their own twisted ideas into Chris's mind.

This abuse prompted the creation of a group composed of The Captain, Marvin and later Null, dubbed the Guard Dogs. Their goal was to work together to dismantle the Idea Guys' schemes and push for legal action to be taken against them. Thanks to their efforts, the Idea Guys' link to Chris was cut by late April 2018. Authorities never looked into the matter.

Despite their removal, the Idea Guys' iron grip over Chris has had lasting effects. To this day, Chris has retained many of the concepts they had coerced him into believing. Concepts such as changes to Sonichu canon, a polyamorous marriage, and the now infamous Dimensional Merge were introduced to Chris by the group. After their reign, waves of fantasy enablers began appearing, copying their tactics to get an audience with Chris, with many seeing success. The Idea Guys have effectively had the greatest impact on Chris's psyche and personal life out of any trolls since the days of The Miscreants, and are debatably the most successful trolls in that regard.

Background

Chris's fantasy world had been ripe for exploitation in the lead-up to the Idea Guys' interactions with him. Years before, the Asperpedia Four manipulated Chris into killing off Simonla Rosechu in the comics. The Miscreants had also told Chris to name a character Vulva Pie - when he found out what the word meant, he was upset that he had been tricked but felt obligated to maintain Vulva Pie's name in canon. Furthermore, Chris's reliance on his fantasy world as a coping mechanism for his real-world life had become heavier, made evident when he believed he was dancing with Magi-Chan, one of his imaginary friends, during the 2017 BronyCon. This had only occurred one month prior to Joshua Wise beginning contact with him.

Outside of Chris's fantasies becoming increasingly potent, Chris's real life was becoming a lot more volatile. The Financhu Crisis continued to go on, with Chris taking up working on the Sonichu comic more often to gain additional funding through Patreon. Chris's emotional state could also have been compromised from other life events such as his breakup with Jessica Quinn, as she had been in contact with Chris for a long time and had him believing they would meet up in real life (although Chris's appeared largely back to normal in the weeks between the Quinn breakup and the beginning of Wise's manipulations, having resumed the comic, posting on Twitter and being interviewed).

In September 2017, Joshua Wise contacted Chris to commission artwork.[4] With the two in contact, Wise decided to see for himself Chris's gullibility.[6] In late October 2017, he again contacted Chris, posing as John Yamada. As "Yamada", Wise claimed to be a soldier from Gamindustri - a location set in the franchise Hyperdimension Neptunia - and inquired if Chris still had his old Sega Dreamcast console, telling him it contained a possible portal into CWCville.[7][8] Wise used the lore from Neptunia to play into Chris's existing preconceptions about reality and his belief that fictional worlds exist in alternate dimensions, giving him validation over those beliefs, which primed Chris for falling under Wise's spell and eventually encouraged him to retreat further into his fantasy world to cope with his real world problems.

Brainwashing Chris

Role-playing

See also: Red Forest
“ the way I get him to do all this is by simply roleplaying. I pull off Sonichu, Rosechu, Magi-chan, the goddesses from Neptunia, and even a few of the nazis that Chris threatened in the video he did last night. ”
Idea Guy Wise[9]
“ all it takes is one of the free photo editing sites and Audacity to make Cwcville come to life. ”
Wise[10]
A sample of the photoshopped images Wise created to convince Chris.

The key component of Wise's schemes was role-playing as various entities, including Chris's own imaginary friends and goddesses from Hyperdimension Neptunia. By December 2017, Wise was role-playing as at least 13 different characters to Chris, including his persona John Yamada and numerous Neptunia characters.[11] Chris was so entranced under Wise's tactics that he believed it when Wise role-played as the Chris of CWCville and told him he had converted to Satanism.[12] Chris believed the entities were borrowing John Yamada's computer to communicate with him across dimensions.[13]

To accompany the role-playing, Wise also crafted storylines, heavily inspired from video games, designed to infiltrate Chris's beliefs, such as Payday 2 antagonist Akan attacking CWCville and kidnapping Chris's imaginary friend Silvana,[14] and CWCville being occupied by Russians and Nazis. Wise also utilized doctored audio clips, such as Red Forest, and photoshopped images, which "John Yamada" presented to Chris as documents from CWCville and Gamindustri.

  • Another of Wise's fake news graphics, used to reveal CWCville's Russian occupation.

  • A fake news graphic about Count Graduon.

  • Image from the Wolfenstein video game franchise, used to trick Chris into believing CWCville and the USA were under Nazi rule.[15]

In the wake of the January 2018 attempt by Kiwi Farms to remove him from power by doxing him, Wise identified as Idea Guy directly to Chris[16] and made a new persona, "Johnson Wiles", setting it as the OC counterpart of his real-world self.[17]

Boyd also used Wise's role-playing tactics. The known characters he role-played as are his persona Gwen Mikoto[4] and religious figure Jesus Christ.[18]

Controlling Chris's beliefs

“ He's trying to use his "Creator powers" to return Cwcville to it's original state before I showed up, but I keep telling him every time he does this, it causes more trouble than actual solutions. ”
Idea Guy Wise.[12]
“ And [the Idea Guys] said "nah, [your fix] didn't work, so-and-so undid your attempt". Chris' response was basically "dang". ”
Guard Dog Marvin on the extent of the Idea Guys' control over Chris's psyche.[19]
Chris took diligent notes on Wise's lore.

After convincing Chris of his persona John Yamada's ability to access CWCville's dimension, Idea Guy Wise began to manipulate Chris's beliefs and insert his own ideas. He also undermined Chris's attempts to restore his fantasy world; as Wise put it: "Chris thinks he has a psychic link to Cwcville, but every time he tries to change a scenario to his will, I always say it fucks up and makes things worse."[20]

Wise tricked Chris into believing this image depicts protesters in CWCville rioting upon Jamsta's acquittal for molestation.[20] Photo is actually an image from the 1992 Los Angeles riots.

For example, in December 2017, Wise told Chris that Jamsta had been arrested for molesting Punchy and Tails. Chris, not liking this development, tried to have Jamsta acquitted. He tried using his psychic link to CWCville to convince the judge to acquit Jamsta, but Wise countered by telling Chris that the judge didn't believe him since he had stepped down as mayor. Chris then tried to influence the jury, but Wise again countered by telling him that while it worked and Jamsta was acquitted, as consequence, a mob was out to get Jamsta, sending a photo of rioting as proof.[12]

Chris illustrated Angelica as a Satanist for Sonichu 13, following lore from Wise.

In another example, Wise role-played as the Chris of CWCville and claimed to be a Satanist, and that Atheism, Neptunia, and Islam were the main beliefs of CWCville, as Christianity had been forgotten after he had stepped down as mayor. The real-world Chris reacted to this information by saying Angelica would enforce Christianity again, and Wise countered by telling him Angelica became a Satanist and more people were converting to Islam.[12]

Chris drew what he believed occurred with the Sega Dreamcast after Wise's suggestion influenced his own imagination.

Chris was also so suggestible under Wise's influence that at times Wise would float an idea and Chris's imagination would run wild with the concept. When Wise's John Yamada persona first contacted Chris, he used lore from the Hyperdimension Neptunia video game franchise to say that Chris's Sega Dreamcast console possibly contained a portal into CWCville. Chris decided to run the console for 24 hours, place his hand on it, felt a shock, and imagined that it meant the Neptunia goddess within it was possessing him.[21][22] Furthermore, after having been in contact with Wise's Neptunia CPU goddess personas, Chris decided to abandon the Christian religion in favor of Neptunia, and one reason he cited was that he could "actually communicate" with the Neptunia goddesses.[11] Eventually, after the Idea Guys were ousted, the influence resulted in Chris identifying as a goddess, CPU Blue Heart.

Modern CWCville Chris attacking past CWCville Chris after suggestions Wise planted in real-world Chris's mind.

Chris's perception of his imaginary counterpart was influenced by Wise's ideas to a point the latter expressed surprise. Following a comment from Wise's Yamada persona on Nazis and Satanic powers, Chris believed his past CWCville counterpart had been kidnapped by Nazis and given Satanic powers.[23] Wise, pushing further, told the real-world Chris his past counterpart had abolished women's rights to enable his Love Quest and that he had helped the Nazis win World War 2. Chris then illustrated his modern CWCville counterpart confronting and assaulting his past CWCville counterpart over his actions.[24]

“ In truth, I made a joke about the Nazis and Satanic powers, not realizing just how much he'd take it in. ”
Wise.[23]

In another example, after discussing his medallion with John Yamada, who told him it was crafted out of Element 115 (as a reference to the Call of Duty video games[15]), Chris believed that Yamada had created a new medallion for him and that it would arrive in the mail and unlock his magical powers. This emboldened Chris to begin making plans to travel to meet the creator of Rosechu's Story and to confront Cole Smithey in New York, despite not knowing where either lived, believing he would magically learn their addresses. Wise became concerned and convinced Chris not to go on the trips.[25]

Influences to Chris's fantasy land/sense of reality

Main article: List of beliefs brainwashed into Chris

The Idea Guys influenced and brainwashed into Chris many alterations to his fantasy world including his imaginary friends and his imaginary city CWCville. These include Wild Sonichu becoming a drug addict, the creation of Bundychu (who befriends the spirit of Chris's late father), Brendan Fraser being elected the mayor of CWCville, and several other concepts.

Chris digitally and physically revised bits from the Sonichu comic to match up with the new Idea Guys lore. In this example, he altered a page from Sonichu 15 to match Wise's assertion that Rosechu had been born as a male, indicated with a pointy tail (left: original image; right: a slip of paper glued over the original page.)

They also pushed his fantasy escapism further away from reality. Chris, who had been believing he could interact with imaginary friends prior to the Idea Guys, such as when he danced with Magi-Chan in public, had his beliefs validated and encouraged by the Idea Guys.

In December 2017, Wise told Chris that Hyperdimension Neptunia goddess Neptune would be waiting to meet him at a GameStop; Chris decided to go to the Forest Lakes location (from which he had been banned) and waited outside in his car, honking his horn and shouting her name, and then peered inside the store and scanned the interior looking for her.[26]

In January 2018, Chris believed that imaginary friends Magi-Chan and his father figure and mentor, Mewtwo, had gotten married in a "loving triage" with Silvana.[27] Two months later, the Idea Guys pushed further and got Chris to believe he married Magi-Chan and became a part of the polyamorous marriage. Additionally, they brainwashed Chris into believing this made him bisexual.

The Idea Guys also used their influence to trick Chris into exercising. Around March 2018, Chris began to exercise as they told him he needed to be in shape while in CWCville,[28] working out with dumbbells as seen in One-Hundred! and joining the gym Anytime Fitness. His exercise habits continued sporadically for a time after the Idea Guys were ousted, though his interest in it faded away eventually.[29]

The 69 Destined Sonichus and Rosechus, a list the Idea Guys planted into Chris's mind.

The Idea Guys also left a heavy influence on the Sonichu comic and its canon - and by extension, Chris's imaginary friends. Many details were revised by Chris following the lore they laid out, such as Sonichu's birthdate (switched to 4/20, both a reference to Adolf Hitler's birthdate and to marijuana), the date of the rainbow which created Sonichu (changed to 1 February 2003, a reference to the Columbia Space Shuttle disaster), and Magi-Chan's age (changed to 69 years old, a sexual reference).

They also affected plot points and the direction of the comic from Sonichu #12-9 onwards. This can be seen in Sonichu #12-9 (which Chris worked on before, during, and after the Idea Guys were in power) - its plot veers sharply from Chris's interests, to the Idea Guys', then back again to Chris's. The following issue, Sonichu #13 (or The Awakening of a CPU, as titled by Chris), represents the Idea Guys' influence over him in comic form. It features a story on how Wise's John Yamada persona came to influence Chris over the idea of his Sega Dreamcast containing a portal to CWCville. In a page-and-a-half wall of text, Chris summarizes his adventures with Yamada and the Hyperdimension Neptunia cast, and the salvation of Gamindustri and CWCville from the invaders. The rest of Sonichu 13 covers an incoherent series of plot threads over the topics the Idea Guys had brainwashed into Chris.

The Dimensional Merge, a key influence to Chris's escapist habits, is thought to originate from the Idea Guys, though no chatlogs pertaining to it were publicly released, and the first public mention to it by Chris occurred months after their ousting. A small clue is in the Merge's start date being 18 November 2018[30] - the 40th anniversary of the Jonestown Mass Suicide - which aligns with the Idea Guys inserting dates of infamous historical events into Sonichu canon. According to Guard Dog Marvin, the Merge is an Idea Guy concept:

It was an idea that the Idea Guy invented, but Chris didn't really pay enough attention to it as a concept until around when the teen troon squad showed up.

Now it might've just been a coincidence, but it was around that time, Chris started seriously looking into the merge as a solution to his problems.

Early trolling

Midway through November 2017, Chris's content began to include references designed to go over his head. On 14 November, he wrote that imaginary friend Silvana had been captured by a Russian billionaire, and posted a photo of the soldier who would be rescuing her. This was recognized by spectators as a reference to the politically incorrect "Remove Kebab" internet meme. The soldier was to be part of Operation BARBarossa, which consisted of historical references to World War 2. That same day, in what Wise termed "the first true exercise of trust",[31] Chris recorded Freestyle Dance With Me, For Our World! while wearing a tinfoil hat to prevent "the man" from reading his mind. On 11 December, Chris performed a supposed "Cherokean Chant", which in fact involved mimicking the "squatting Slav" meme and reciting Internet meme quotes from the S.T.A.L.K.E.R. video game series, all while drunk on half a fifth of vodka.

Chris was tricked into believing the Japanese text translated to his signature, however, it translates to "I am carrying a penis."

Chris was also tricked into writing edgy jokes in foreign languages. In November 2017, Chris posted artwork featuring Sailor Moon characters conversing with his CWCville counterpart; he was actually tricked into writing "I am carrying a penis", among other things, in Japanese.[32] The drawing may have been the earliest instance of Wise's trickery, as it was dated 18 October 2017, falling in between Wise's initial contact and the debut of his John Yamada persona. In December, more art was posted,[33] this one featuring the SS motto as well as German lines from the video games Brothers in Arms and Wolfenstein: The New Order. Chris also tried to write the "signature" line again, although he accidentally wrote it with a typo. The German translations in particular put Chris's naïveté on full display, with some of the German dialogue featuring words such as "Zebra", "Evolution" and "Universum", which are similar or identical to English counterparts that are obviously absent in the supposed translations. A January 2018 post congratulating Magi-Chan and Mewtwo on tying the knot also contained Swedish text giving a shout-out to Kiwi Farms.[27]

Escalation

A still from Smashing showing the destroyed Christine Doll.

The manipulation of Chris over his fantasy world gradually escalated. In January 2018, Wise role-played as Nazis and led Chris to believe they had bugged his Christine Doll. Chris retaliated by destroying it in Smashing. Days later, Chris also destroyed his miniature Christmas tree in Get Out, You D*** Nazis.

Wise and Boyd team up to manipulate Chris during Cryzel Torture.

By April 2018, the Idea Guys had a sadistic hold over Chris's beliefs. In Cryzel Torture, one of the leaked chatlogs from late that month, Wise role-played as Sword Art Online character Pitohui and graphically described torturing Chris's imaginary wife, Cryzel, for several hours, with Boyd providing backup.

According to The Captain, at some point, Boyd told Chris to punch his mother. The Captain stated that, "There is no video or photographic evidence of Chris punching his mother.

In a private chat with Wise, Chris claims that he punched his mother at Boyd's insistence for failing a quiz or some shit like that. Chris states to Wise that Boyd told him to "Punch your mother" and Chris claims to Wise that he did it."[34]

Wise often forced Chris to have phone sex with him, though there is no recording of these calls.[35]

Blackmail and extortion allegations

See also: 2018 Sales Listings
“ So naturally once they have Chris believing [they can destroy CWCville], they have Chris confessing to being a pedophile and raping his mother. Once they have those confessions, they threaten to release it to the public if he doesn't record himself shitting on the floor and punching himself in the face until tears and snot are running down his chin. At one point, they ask Chris to punch his mother, which he does (though he claims lightly). ”
Guard Dog Null describing the Idea Guys' sadistic exploitation of Chris.[4]
The fictional superweapon Kadingir, as depicted in anime series Symphogear. The Idea Guys used this image to con Chris into believing they had the capability to destroy the moon and CWCville.[36]

The Guard Dogs alleged that the Idea Guys managed to extort $6,000 worth of gift cards, video games, and other accessories from Chris by threatening to destroy his imaginary city CWCville: In addition to that, Boyd also demanded $20,000,[36] or else he would report Chris as a pedophile to the FBI.[4] Guard Dog The Captain also stated that the Idea Guys had "forced Chris to record a series of videos to his Google Drive [...] in order to use them as leverage against him in the future," which included content such as Tour of Chris's House III, Chris slaps himself, and an unreleased two-hour video of Chris reacting to "grotesque pornography".[4]

The Idea Guys, while role-playing as fictional characters, had convinced Chris they had the means to destroy CWCville. Wise, posing as anime series Symophogear villain Finé - whose backstory involves being the creator of a particle-ion cannon titled Kadingir with the capability to destroy the moon[37] - claimed that the destroyed moon chunks would then fall onto CWCville. Idea Guy Boyd, posing as Gwen Mikoto, affirmed Wise's claims and also threatened to erase the dimension in which CWCville resides by nuking it.[36]

When the Guard Dogs rescued Chris from the Idea Guys' influence, they told him the moon destroying weapon did not exist and Chris became "extremely angry" at the revelation.[38]

The Idea Guys had brainwashed Chris into believing himself a pedophile by telling him that the BlueSpike cyber sex logs and having had crushes on high school classmates during high school counted as pedophilia. After being freed from their influence, Chris no longer believed it.[39]

Excerpts from The Bad Beginning chatlog in which the Idea Guys use the threat of moon chunks leveling CWCville to pressure Chris.

To pay off the Idea Guys, Chris raised money from eBay sales of his toys and pieces of the Chandler hoard. Guard Dog The Captain stated that the Idea Guys "were telling him what to sell/urging him to dig through more boxes, etc. in an effort to find things to hawk on eBay to make money for them."[40] In addition, $1,200 gifted to him from Jack Jankowski, meant to go towards attending BronyCon 2018, was sent to the Idea Guys. Though this were not enough to satisfy their demands, as in April 2018, Chris withheld a mortgage payment, putting the Chandlers at severe risk of losing their home.[41]

On 24 April 2018, with Chris in dire financial straits, the Idea Guys influenced him into posting a tweet offering to prostitute himself.[42] He stated his price to be $50 for blowjobs and $100 for butt sex.[43] Days later, the Idea Guys were removed from power by the Guard Dogs, and the situation did not escalate further. In May, Chris disavowed the prostitution messages and stated that he had been coerced into making them.[44]

Chris kept each of the invoices and receipts from the transactions he made for the Idea Guys. The Guard Dogs received screencaps and photos of the receipts, hoping to use the items as evidence in an official investiation; when that fell through, Guard Dog Null posted them publicly to the Kiwi Farms forum.[4]

  • Email confirmation of an item Chris bought for Boyd.

  • Receipts of items Chris bought for Wise and Boyd, including Amazon and Steam gift cards.

  • Chris retained many receipts.

Removal from power

January 2018

An early attempt to stop Wise's influence over Chris was made in January 2018. At the time, there had been no indication of the extortion or sadistic manipulation over Chris that was to come; the intervention was made, according to a Kiwi Farms moderator, because the output of his early manipulation was "total trash."[45]

“ We have seen all we needed to see and nothing more would be gained from seeing more squatting, tracksuits and the introduction of Pepechu. ”
Yawning Sneasel, one of the Kiwi Farms moderators involved with the first doxing.

On 22 January 2018, Wise was doxed on Kiwi Farms[3] and the dox of his family members was included as a deterrent.[45] However, Wise persisted in contact with Chris - one of Chris's drawings of Wise's character Kun T'Nyuget was made the next day,[46] implying Wise did not cut communications with Chris.

Chris's social media output over the next few months gradually indicated that he was under manipulation. The public, uncertain over whether it was Wise again, referred to the resurgence as "Idea Guy 2.0", and it was later alleged by the Guard Dogs that Wise was part of it.

“ He got doxed, people forgot about him, and instead of thinking "hmm, boy, I dodged a bullet! well, better safe than sorry, let's pack it in!".

He goes "AUGH YEAH, coast's clear, start 'er back up again!"

”
Guard Dog Marvin.[47]

April 2018

Main article: The Chris-Chan Extortionists‎
The Captain's photoshopped image of Chris's Amnyfest Ring, used to convince Chris to trust him instead of the Idea Guys.

In April 2018, The Captain was informed by people close to Chris that they suspected he was being manipulated and extorted. In that same month, the Idea Guys forced Chris to sell his Amnyfest Ring on eBay - the buyer was The Captain. Borrowing from the Idea Guys' tactics, The Captain used the ring as a tool to gain Chris's trust by playing into his fantasies, role-playing about Magi-Chan[48] and telling him the ring was sending him messages that the CPUs (personas used by the Idea Guys) were hacked and not to be trusted.

“ I simply told him that the ring was sending me morse code messages and that the [Idea Guys] were lying to him. So I did a five minute photoshop of the ring glowing and sent it to Chris as well as a piece of notepaper where I wrote "The CPUs have been hacked. Don't trust the CPUs" claiming that was the morse code message.

Sure enough, Chris believed it [...] and proceeded to give me his passwords and everything else - that's how we got to where we are today. [...] Without that ring we may NEVER have found out what happened

”
The Captain.[49]

Trusting The Captain, Chris gave him direct access to his accounts, including Discord, so The Captain could "scan for viruses".

“ When I logged onto the Discord I was appalled - the level of absurdity that these guys had gone to in order to take advantage of Chris was beyond belief. I saw the constant requests for money, threats, blackmail, etc. and Chris' responses and was simply floored. They were forcing Chris to post videos, Twitter statuses, etc. all in order to get their kicks in addition to the constant requests for money ”
The Captain,[4]

The Captain teamed up with Marvin to gather evidence. Telling Chris to take a break from the Internet - and to catch up on TV shows the Idea Guys had banned him from watching - The Captain, with Marvin's coaching, role-played as Chris in the Idea Guys' Discord server to stall while Marvin worked to capture the Discord chatlogs.

“ At one point [the Idea Guys] wanted Chris to post photographic evidence that he was indeed himself, writing a message on a dry erase board. I had Chris take said picture for me and then forwarded it to them, etc. Eventually, @Marvin built a script to rip the chat logs from Discord, which amounted to hundreds of pages of autistic debauchery in which these speds took advantage of Chris. When the script was finished and we had the chat logs and images we simply went silent on the Discord and a couple days later Wise and Boyd got freaked out and attempted to sanitize it, banning Chris from the channel and deleting every private message they had sent him one by one. ”
The Captain.[4]

On 29 April, Chris referenced the Idea Guys' removal from power over Twitter.

“ feeling blessed.

I am aware that many people are worried about me. Do Not Fear! I am in a Good Place and everything will be Okay! Things will be figured out soon enough.

”
Chris.[50]

A month later, Chris revealed a bit more, saying he had "very Powerful Allies helping to rectify the situation. I can't say much other than certain people should be Very Frightened right now!"[51]

Attempted return

According to The Captain, one of the Idea Guys attempted to engage with Chris once more, but Chris rejected it.

“ And then everything just sort of settled down for several weeks. At one point Chris received some texts from either Boyd or Wise attempting to roleplay the Dark Tower with him, to which Chris replied, "I'll do it for $6,000!" and naturally, they didn't message again. ”
The Captain.[4]

Reported to authorities

“ Chris did eventually print my IC3 report and hand it in to the station himself [...] Since then it has been dead air. No one has contacted Chris, no one has contacted me, no one has done anything. ”
Guard Dog Null describes his frustrations with the lack of an investigation.[4]

With their archives of the Idea Guys' Discord chatlogs with Chris, as well as Chris providing the receipts and invoices of gifts sent to them, the Guard Dogs attempted to report the Idea Guys to the authorities.

Null contacted the Greene County Sheriff, local to Chris, to discuss the matter. The sheriff interpreted things as a matter of choice from Chris. Null also contacted the FBI, both through their online contact form and also by handing a copy to an FBI agent, as the alleged extortion occurred across state lines. Chris later took a printed copy of Null's report to his local police station and turned it in. However, there have been no signs of an investigation as Null and Chris were not contacted back.[4]

Lingering influence

“ If you want BAD DIRECTION, you should look up Idea Guy. ”
Chris, in the middle of restating his belief that he is married to Cryzel and Magi-Chan, an Idea Guy concept.[52]
"Dark Idea Guy" as envisioned by Chris months after the Idea Guys had been ousted.

Despite the Idea Guys being removed from power in April 2018, the damage to Chris’s sense of reality has lingered. Their actions gave him a sense of validation and boosted his confidence in his pre-existing beliefs about dimensions and psychically linking with his imaginary friends.

Chris, though aware of the Idea Guys’ malevolence, continues to believe in many of the concepts they had instilled into him. The most notable being the Dimensional Merge, which he believes will magically solve the Financhu Crisis and bring CWCville/C-197 and all fictional characters to life; and lore from video game series Hyperdimension Neptunia, in particular CPU goddesses, which crystalized into Chris believing he is CPU Blue Heart. Other concepts that Chris still holds on to include his bisexuality,[53] his polyamorous marriage (which paused the Love Quest - temporarily, at least), Robertchu, theories about Ted Bundy,[54] and the 69 Sonichus and Rosechus.[55]

On 3 August 2018, Chris posted an epilogue to Sonichu 13, which offered clues as to why he maintains belief in the Idea Guys' lore. In it, he stated that Wise's "slanderous, destructive efforts only strengthened my own psychic links with our world, there." To Chris, the Idea Guys had been "royally messing" with not only him, but also "literally" the Earth, Equestria and the CPU goddesses. Chris stated his belief that Wise, "has his own link and grasp of out [sic] world there" and that he ultimately restored CWCville and released the CPU goddesses from Wise's control.

Guard Dog Marvin posted on Kiwi Farms on his opinion of Chris's continued belief in the Idea Guys' canon:

"Reality" is a malleable concept to Chris.

To Chris, that these losers were pretending to be imaginary characters doesn't mean they they didn't unwittingly connect with their counterparts in the other dimension or whatever. So yeah, he thinks Wise and Boyd were assholes who stumbled upon some magic or some shit.

Chris is mostly mad about money first and being made to embarrass himself second.

In regards to why he still maintains a lot of their canon, it's because Chris is too invested in his imaginary world to give up on it so easily. I think after Wise and Boyd were outed, he felt really uncomfortable about retconning most of their changes. Because if he retcons the past six months, then fuck, why can't he retcon all of it? That would make him feel really uneasy about the possible reality of his imaginary world.

That reality is most important to him.[56]

“ So, you just admitted you were and still are manipulated by the Idea Guys. The merge, the goddess stuff, all of it. Christine, if you’re still in there it’s not too late fix your life for the better. It’s ok to face reality ”
A concerned fan on Twitter in December 2020.
“ No, that has been stopped in April, and made undone with Chris' Aether and abilities. We are not under the influence of IdeaGuy. ”
Chris, "possessed" by Sonichu, denying the influence of the Idea Guys while clinging to the lore they tricked him into believing.[57]

Chris, in June 2021, stated that the Idea Guys made his Top 5 list of people who made the most negative impacts on his life (alongside Jakoba, Michael Snyder, BlueSpike, and the staff at Nathanael Greene Elementary School). Though Chris blamed the Idea Guys "for their "Dimensions’ level of damage", he gave credit to them for validating his beliefs. As such, Chris believed that BlueSpike, the Nathanael Greene staff, and Michael Snyder had the most negative impacts on his life.[58]

“ Even though IdeaGuy did Dimensions’ level of damage, his impact has left me with further self-progression, analysis and appreciation, confidence boost, affirming the link between the separated universe halves with my consciousness, leading the way to chill my ego and whatnot in the needed self-healing and work. ”
Chris on why the Idea Guys did not make the top on his list of most negative people.

Idea Guy Q&A and other Kiwi farms shenanigans

Main article: Idea Guy Q&A
Wise's Kiwi Farms Profile.

The ringleader of the Idea Guys, Joshua Wise, signed up to Kiwi Farms under the name Ballzymaker94 and had several private conversations with select users, soliciting feedback over his early schemes.

Aside from Wise. Boyd alongside with the Unnamed Canadian also had their own handlers on the site, under the names of NinFreakLan and de_DEVIL_tails respectively.[4]

One user from the Kiwi Farms had a lengthy conversation with Wise, spanning from 3 December to 18 December 2017 archived in the Idea Guy Q&A. In it, Wise discusses how he had gained Chris’s trust, and how Chris reacted to some of his ideas and mentions content which had not been publicly released. For example, Chris's inquiry on whether or not Jessica Quinn was actually a troll, how Chris tried to prevent Jamsta from being jailed for molestation, and Chris’s attempts to interact with Neptunia goddesses.

Wise also briefly conversed with other members of the forum, archived in Misc Idea Guy chats. After he was doxed by the site's moderators on 22 January 2018, many users came forward to post content and conversations that he had shared with them.

He hadn't shared all of his content over PMs, generally only summarizing his interactions with Chris. After he was exposed, he offered to trade in all of his information in exchange for the moderators removing the dox of his family members. They refused on the grounds that they disliked his public trolling output and believed the dox would be an incentive for him to stay away from Chris,[45] a message which Wise ignored.

Gallery

  • A nine-page poster Wise, role-playing as CPU Neptune, requested Chris to draw,[59] which he did for free.[60] Chris later said it's the drawing that took him the most effort.[61]

  • Chris coped during the Idea Guys' reign by mentally retreating to CWCville and talking to his imaginary friends there.

  • Chris believes he undid the Idea Guys' corruptions. However, he continues to maintain many beliefs they had brainwashed into him.

  • A map Joshua Wise made.

  • Joshua Wise's OC Johnson Wiles, in TSSSF form.

See also

References

  1. ↑ https://twitter.com/CPU_CWCSonichu/status/1148379386023960579
  2. ↑ Idea Guy Q&A#Introduction
  3. ↑ 3.0 3.1 3.2 https://kiwifarms.net/threads/idea-guy-joshua-wise-manipulating-the-intellecutally-disabled-for-fun-megathread.37132/post-2984638 (Archive https://archive.fo/fmLt3)
  4. ↑ 4.00 4.01 4.02 4.03 4.04 4.05 4.06 4.07 4.08 4.09 4.10 4.11 4.12 4.13 The Chris-Chan Extortionists
  5. ↑ Stephen's Kiwi Farms account
  6. ↑ Idea Guy Q&A#Red Forest clip
  7. ↑ File:Sonichu 16 page-3.JPG
  8. ↑ Idea Guy Q&A#Gullibility
  9. ↑ Misc Idea Guy chats#Chat with Kiwi Farms member 3
  10. ↑ Idea Guy Q&A#Manipulating Chris
  11. ↑ 11.0 11.1 Idea Guy Q&A#Chris abandons Christianity for Neptunia
  12. ↑ 12.0 12.1 12.2 12.3 Idea Guy Q&A#Pretending to be Chris to Chris, religion in CWCville
  13. ↑ Idea Guy Q&A#Rosechu is trans
  14. ↑ November 2017 Facebook posts#Silvana is captured
  15. ↑ 15.0 15.1 Idea Guy Q&A#Nazis in CWCville
  16. ↑ Comment from The Captain: "This is the same shit Wise was pulling the second time around.. Name dropping himself as Idea Guy to Chris." https://kiwifarms.net/threads/10-4-chris-says-magi-chan-wrote-hawaii-trip-tweet-for-monetary-gain.48498/
  17. ↑ Twilight Sparkle's Secret Shipfic Folder#TSSSF IdeaGuy Corruptions Expansion Pack
  18. ↑ Cryzel Torture
  19. ↑ https://kiwifarms.net/threads/cryzel-torture.45450/post-3558042
  20. ↑ 20.0 20.1 Idea Guy Q&A#Chris tries to keep Jamsta out of jail
  21. ↑ November 2017 Facebook posts#Sharing my body with a video game character
  22. ↑ Wise denies that the Sega shock was his doing and says it was Chris's own stupidity.
  23. ↑ 23.0 23.1 Idea Guy Q&A#Suggestible Chris
  24. ↑ Idea Guy Q&A#Trolling Jessica Quinn, drawing of Chris fucking Sonichu
  25. ↑ Idea Guy Q&A#Chris wants to visit Cole and Trickie
  26. ↑ Idea Guy Q&A#Chris went to a GameStop to meet a Neptunia goddess
  27. ↑ 27.0 27.1 January 2018 Facebook posts‎‎#Mewtwo and Magi-Chan married
  28. ↑ https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-bad-beginning.45651/post-3576763
  29. ↑ Treadmill
  30. ↑ https://twitter.com/CWCSonichu/status/1064201575994982400
  31. ↑ Idea Guy Q&A#Influencing Sonichu 12-9
  32. ↑ November 2017 Patreon posts#Chris writes about dicks, thinks it's his signature
  33. ↑ December 2017 Facebook posts#"Translated" Sailor Moon drawings
  34. ↑ Thread #41369 (Message #3563096). Kiwi Farms.
  35. ↑ Kiwi_Farms_posts_(The_Captain)#Phone_Sex
  36. ↑ 36.0 36.1 36.2 The Bad Beginning
  37. ↑ https://symphogear.fandom.com/wiki/Kadingir
  38. ↑ https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-chris-chan-extortionists.45366/post-3550216
  39. ↑ https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-bad-beginning.45651/post-3577677
  40. ↑ https://kiwifarms.net/threads/financhu-crisis-chris-sells-his-stuff-megathread.41369/post-3675397
  41. ↑ WE NEED MONEY FOR MORTGAGE NOW, PLEASE
  42. ↑ April 2018 social media posts#Will provide house tour and suck dicks for money.
  43. ↑ File:NAME YOUR PRICE!!.jpeg
  44. ↑ https://web.archive.org/web/20191107173201/https://twitter.com/cwcsonichu/status/993693423084318720
  45. ↑ 45.0 45.1 45.2 File:Yawning Sneasel comment on first Idea Guy dox.png
  46. ↑ File:Also, Introducing Kun T’Nyuget.png
  47. ↑ https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-chris-chan-extortionists.45366/post-3551679
  48. ↑ The Captain's Kiwi Farms posts here (archive: https://archive.fo/cIVI0) and here (archive: https://archive.fo/ZJ1fB), and Chris's perspective from Sonichu 13's epilogue
  49. ↑ https://kiwifarms.net/posts/3566885/ (Archive https://archive.fo/WBwyL)
  50. ↑ April 2018 social media posts#I know people are worried
  51. ↑ May 2018 social media posts#On the Cryzel and Magi-Chan relationship and being blackmailed
  52. ↑ June 2018 social media posts#Sonichu 12-9 approaches completion
  53. ↑ Copitz interview.
  54. ↑ Count Dankula interview, June 2018.
  55. ↑ Nightstar is a very important Special Sonichu
  56. ↑ https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/page-816#post-4002093 (https://archive.md/9GYiD)
  57. ↑ December 2020 social media posts#Ben Saint and Idea Guys
  58. ↑ June 2021 social media posts#Discussing trolls and other stuff
  59. ↑ File:Leak14.jpg
  60. ↑ Misc Idea Guy chats#Chat with Kiwi Farms member 1
  61. ↑ Discord Q&A 6#Drawing that took the most effort
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The Players

People: Chris • Idea Guys (Joshua Wise • Stephen Boyd • Unnamed Others) • Guard Dogs • (The Captain • Null • Marvin) • Anna McLerran • Tings Tingz
Fictional Characters: John Yamada • Gwen Mikoto • Gruppenfuhrer Fegelein • Magi-chan • Cryzel • Kun T’Nyuget • Mewtwo • Pitohui • Bundychu • Akan

The Concepts: The Chats: The Videos:
Coinciding Sagas: Guard Dog


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Delusions and enablers
Fantasy World
Cult of the Idea Guys
Fantasy-induced events
People appropriated by Chris as 'OCs'
    People

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Family
Immediate
family
Pets
Other

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Acquaintances
Hobbies
Desired acquaintanceships
Collaborators
(creators Chris promoted)
Women
(cut ties with Chris)
Gal-pals
Staff
Defense lawyers
Prostitutes

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Enablers
White knights
Fans

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Christubers and Interviewers
Christubers
Interviewers

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Trolls
Fantasy enablers
Catfishers
(Internet/phone only)
Catfishers
(met with Chris)
Catherine • Emily • Faeryn • Hanna • Kacey
Trolls
(internet-only)
Trolls
(internet-only,
impersonating celebrities)
Trolls (met with Chris)
Allies
A-logs

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Perceived enemies
Staff
Jerkops
Manajerks
Other

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Imaginary/Inanimate
Imaginary friends
Inanimate objects

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Media personalities
In media
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