Praetor
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Note on Credibility:
Praetor has been deemed to be an unreliable narrator for the following reasons: |
| “ | Our goal is not just to be screwing with Christine. Our goal here is just to make cash with her, as a partnership - right? | ” |
| Caden Peck[2] | ||
| “ | And don't you judge Caden in that vain. He's not flawless, but he is more Perfect of himself and at what and how he does as a legit Friend and in working on my behalf; He actually works well with his flaws and limits, and he's made breakthrough with Barb, and he is not intimidating. | ” |
| Chris[3] | ||
Praetor LLC (sometimes referred to as "The Praetors") is a group of edgy Gen-Z businesspeople led by Caden Michael Peck (born 27 September 2002), also known as tinyhorse01.
They first came into contact with Chris to produce and sell Sonichu and CWC themed products on their Etsy store OfficialCWCmart, with Chris's permission, giving him a cut of the profits in exchange. In mid-December 2020, Praetor began offering Sonichu medallions for sale, which were produced by the group and approved of by Chris. Praetor has since expanded to other, more bizarre, products, some produced by the group, and others by Chris. Chris's income split for products made by him is unknown. As of 2023, they have had more than 3000 sales and have made hundreds of thousands of dollars out of OfficialCWCmart.
During the Jail Saga, Chris continued communicating with them, mailing them art from jail, which they added to OfficialCWCmart. They began coming up with plans to help Chris, one of which included brainstorming a $150,000 fundraiser to buy out Barb from 14 Branchland Court. Upon Chris's being released from jail, they have become even more involved, as seen in the highly edited new videos and new photos of Chris added to OfficialCWCmart. In November 2023, evidence hinting at Chris living at a house which Caden is listed as one of two buyers - or at the very least using that house as a studio - emerged on Kiwi Farms.
Minor Members
| “ | In the group, Annie is very much psychically able. Owen is like the magician of the group; among his skill set, he can also make a variety of special teas and such that can be like potions and elixirs. Cabell is also psychically inclined, but she's the artist. Caden is very open-minded, and the brains and business. | ” |
| Chris[4] | ||
While Caden is the leader of Praetor and presumably does most of the heavy lifting, there have been numerous other people involved in the group, possibly more. Since Chris's arrest in 2021, it is unknown if any of the members besides Caden are still involved with the Praetor brand.
Recently, there has been theorization that Flutter is a member of Praetor, however this has not been confirmed.
Annibelle Ikenberry
Annibelle "Annie" Ikenberry (annirenee) is an erocosplayer and OnlyFans camgirl. In Taser Discussion, Caden implies that her OnlyFans was one of Praetor's business ventures, and that she had created it to make money for Praetor. According to Chris, she is "psychically able". In a 17 February 2021 discussion with the Watchmen, Chris confessed that he had considered her for a possible relationship.[5]
Owen Sundstrom
Owen Scott Sundstrom (owen_sundstrom) is a co-founder of Praetor, according to Larry Vaughn[6]. He was present at the Goochland Library Sermon, where he was photographed posing with Chris. He also appears to be the photographer who took the picture of Chris and Praetor at the Chinese restaurant. According to Chris, Owen is "like the magician of the group; among his skill set, he can also make a variety of special teas and such that can be like potions and elixirs". Owen, along with Caden, suggested a link between the Mayan calendar and Chris's dream about a golden disc.[4]
Cabell
Cabell is described by Chris in the Naught DMs as "psychically inclined, but she's the artist." Unlike the other members of Praetor, virtually nothing is known about her. When the Incest Call leaked, there was speculation that Cabell was a nickname for Bella; however, Chris's mention of Cabell in the DMs predates his earliest interaction with Bella. Cabell is most likely the blonde woman featured in the Instagram photo of Praetor and Chris at a Chinese restaurant. Initially, Praetor mistagged the blonde woman, linking an unrelated account to her.
Given that Chris has referred to Cabell as the artist, it can be assumed that she creates the medallions, as Chris has mentioned that the artist of the group was the one who created them.
Isabella Loretta Janke
- Main article: Isabella Loretta Janke
Isabella "Bella" Loretta Janke, a troll most infamous for her horrid actions and revealing Chris's incestuous affair with his mother, had relations with Praetor. They commissioned her to animate Chris Chan Sonichu Intro animation, an animation of Chris and the Sonichu characters, which Chris uploaded to his YouTube channel.
Golden Church of Sonichu members
- Main article: Golden Church of Sonichu
Members of the Discord server Golden Church of Sonichu are seen working with Praetor. One member was supposedly making a video game, another was working on CGI for Praetor's Chris Chan movie, and another was making Chris Chan themed clothes. These members presumably stopped their interactions with Chris once he got arrested.
Before Chris
Larry Vaughn claims that Praetor was "the brainchild of Caden, and was initially just like the Teen Troon Squad before they had the idea to make a cult around Christine"[7]. Vaughn also claimed that Owen Sundstrom was another founder of Praetor, along with Caden, however what Owen did to "found" Praetor is unknown[6].
Caden claims that Praetor has been around since 2017, working with "creative types".[8]. It is unknown if this is true, as if it were, Caden would have to be 15 years old at the time of the business's creation. He claims that they've worked with Kevin Baugh, founder of the Republic of Molossia, and wrote a dissertation for him in order to officiate Molossia as a nation[8].
Praetor used to have a dedicated website, but was taken down by Caden due to the domain costs. He decided that instead of waiting to have "eccentric people" find him, he would personally reach out to them himself[8]. Naught once claimed that Praetor went after other lolcows before Chris, including Tommy Tooter, who they tried to make products for[9].
The Beginning
| “ | I've always known about Christine. She always struck me as unique in the sense that she is probably one of the most famous people ever who has profited the least from her fame.
When I heard that she had tried to launch a store before, but been overwhelmed, I knew that there was a chance at profit. I run almost everything I do privately, so I reached out to Christine myself. |
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| Caden[8] | ||
On 21 September 2020, a "trio of fans" came to Chris's door with a golden Sonichu medallion, crafted by "the young lady of the group, with paint that had a mixture of 24K gold in it". The "tall boys" had a business proposition for Chris, that with their mold press, they could mass produce and sell Sonichu medallions.[10] Chris accepted, deeming them as trustworthy, and noted that he had a vision earlier where an artist crafted medallions for him.
| “ | They have their business based in Goochland.
And I could tell by soul-reading them that their intentions were legit, honest and true. |
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| Chris[10] | ||
On 22 September 2020, Chris made a post on The Place Discord server, where he mentioned that he was meeting with some "new associates".[10] He mentions that they were going to talk about "the molding to mass produce the medallions, and possibly the figures, with optional Amiibo functions, in a little while." After being asked who these associates were, Chris refused to give their identities but gave details about their first interaction.
On the 25th, Chris mentioned them to the Watchmen again, revealing their name as Praetor LLC[11]. On 3 October, Chris mentioned to them that Praetor was helping him create a "lore bible".[12]. On the 15th, Praetor's Discord account, run by Caden Peck, joined the The Place Discord server, and answered the Watchmen's questions.[8]
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After being asked if they sold merch for Molossia:
On another brand named 'Praetor LLC':
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On 16 October, they arranged for Chris to give a sermon at Goochland library, where he spewed his Dimensional Merge delusions. This spiel was done in front of a large screen displaying the Praetor logo. When it was eventually released on YouTube, it started with a loud dramatic opening, commissioned from an unknown source. They also added sarcastic captions, mocking Chris. The Praetor members took photos with Chris after the sermon.
With Caden.
With Owen.
Arguably one of the most iconic images of Chris out there, appearing on news articles and on his Wikitubia page
On 19 October, Praetor's presence was made known to the public, when they released multiple photos of Chris and the members of Praetor at a Chinese restaurant. One of these images included the members' Instagram handles, making it very easy for them to get doxxed.
With Instagram handles
On 13 November 2020, Chris uploaded Chris Chan Sonichu Intro animation, an animation that Praetor had commissioned from Isabella Loretta Janke. After this, Bella began regularly chatting with Chris, eventually becoming rather infamous for unrelated reasons.
In December, Praetor created an Etsy shop for Chris, OfficialCWCmart, where they sell Sonichu medallions and other merchandise. The medallions sold by them manage to look much worse than any medallions made by Chris, and are completely inconsistent in how they look.
| “ | (Editor's Note: All descriptions, titles, and product designs come directly from Chris Chan. These are hand done, and will therefore reflect the "Chris Chan Style." Expect defects, burns, and a general lapse in quality.) | ” |
| Praetor's Etsy account, confirming that the products being shipped will be dogshit, even by Chris's standards | ||
On 7 December 2020, Praetor began offering Sonichu medallions for sale, which were produced by the group and approved of by Chris. A month later, they had made $5,900 worth of sales on their medallion product,[13] though information such as their operating costs is unknown, as is how much profit the group members had after expenses. In mid-January 2021, Chris confirmed having received nearly $400 in small cash amounts for his share.[14]
Praetor also created a Discord server, Golden Church of Sonichu, which was created for anyone who bought their Golden Medallions on their Etsy shop. The server served as another outlet for Chris to rant about his delusions. Caden often posted in there too, giving insight into Praetor's bizarre plans.
| “ | -Christine has fully greenlit [REDACTED]'s video game. Please message Chris directly as soon as possible, as Christine would like to provide some direction with the game's storyline.
-The Praetor Flamethrower will be stress-tested this upcoming week at a local firing range sponsoring us. Please standby for future details. -Christine has approved the future sale of Potions blessed by her. These are to be sold for less than $17 apiece, but a fixed price has not yet been decided. We need help finding cheaply shipped glassware in bulk. As cheap as possible is best, as we are going to be selling 3-4 kinds of potions stocked at at least 12 each. Bottles must be at very least 4oz, at most 16oz. -Christine's Golden Medallions have already sold out. Expect more members soon. -Test footage for [REDACTED] has been filmed in order to see if she can cgi a Sonichu next to Chris, allowing us to feature a Sonichu in the upcoming Chris Chan Movie. Please complete this as soon as possible, and we will kiss you on the mouth. |
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| Caden[15] | ||
Upon hacking into Isabella Loretta Janke's account, a short clip showing the behind-the-scenes process of the Chris Chan Movie was leaked. It shows Chris posing as a Praetor member commentates, telling him specific poses to do, while he's supposedly standing next to Rosechu, who would be added in post as a CGI character.
Taser Controversy
| “ | we had a whole discussion about why it's a bad idea. | ” |
| Caden, trying to talk Chris out of tazing himself.[16] | ||
On 15 November 2020, Praetor posted a screenshot of an online shopping service's shopping cart - in the cart was a Pikachu mask and a VIPERTEK VTS-989 560 BV stun gun. Praetor stated:
| “ | As Praetor, we always work hard to produce the best videos we can. Good works are in progress! | ” |
| Praetor on an Instagram post featuring a Pikachu mask and stun gun.[17] | ||
Praetor later claimed this was for promotion of sales of autographed tasers.
In February 2021, Chris stated that he wanted to borrow one of Praetor's tasers to stun his Gate Crystal and Celestial Key quartz crystals in an attempt to activate the Dimensional Merge.[18]
The Watchmen confronted Caden Peck about this, saying that it was dangerous for Praetor to be allowing Chris to use it and that Chris could hurt himself. In response, Caden insisted that Chris would be safe and that the group would act with safety in mind, that he would not permanently possess one of their tasers, and that the version Chris would use is a lower-powered one than the items Praetor would be selling.[18] Eventually, both parties began insulting each other on Discord. They eventually agreed to have a call about the issue, in which the Watchmen berate Caden about the issue.
Near the end of the call, Watchmen member Val jokingly asked if Praetor could get Chris to tase himself on video, to which Chris responded saying that he'd be willing too. Everyone is shocked by this, and Caden attempts to dissuade Chris from tazing himself.
After this call, the Watchmen gained an intense hatred and rivarly for Praetor and especially Caden, seeing him as on the same level as Joshua Wise or Jacob Sockness. Watchmen member Naught then released that portion of the audio clip, but twisted the context to make it seem like Praetor wanted Chris to tase himself. This rumor was perpetuated by other Watchmen members, and eventually reached GiBi, who made a video claiming it was fact.
Naught then doxxed Caden on the forum, which led to Larry Vaughn making multiple posts sharing his experiences with Praetor. While many were skeptical of Vaughn's claims, due to him arguably being an unreliable narrator, his DMs with Chris reveal that he did in fact have a phone call with Caden, meaning his post is most likely true[19].
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In 2022, Praetor began selling tasers previously autographed by Chris on their Etsy shop, supposedly for the purpose of simulating "zapping to the extreme" for buyers. Etsy quickly removed this listing. Eventually, Praetor created a listing titled 'The Secret Listing', a listing that had no information on what it was. It was later revealed through emails that The Secret Listing was a taser, with the fact hidden in order to bypass Etsy guidelines.
One of the people who bought the taser would mail it to the channel SuperMega, where they would unbox it on video[22].
Jail Saga
Caden had plans to assemble a posse to protect Chris from Jacob Sockness at Everfree Northwest[23], and to buy Chris a PC so he could do more streams[24], however both of these plans were cut short by Chris's arrest after he fucked his mother. After Chris got kicked out of his house for this, he contacted Caden to try and get his assistance in finding a hotel, though it is unknown how Caden responded to this[25].
While most cut ties with Chris after this, Praetor continued to talk to Chris. At one point, Chris mentioned that Caden was working on publishing the "Goddess Log", his jail diary[26].
In May 2022, Praetor began selling art that Chris made in jail, making their contact with Chris much more obvious. They also added audio clips of Chris promoting their medallions from jail to their Etsy. Aside from these, the products sold on OfficialCWCmart became increasingly strange, including arrowheads, cult robes, and signed g-fuel.
In June 2022, Chris started mentioning Caden in his letters, expressing his desire to have Helena Fiorenza collaborate with him[27], though Caden did not respond when Helena attempted to do so[28]. Chris also generally praised him, stating:
| “ | Caden (Praetor) is genuinely one who is able to speak on my behalf when appropriate, and is in friendship and business association with I in mutual agreements; Include Him on the Fan Project Website, period, please. | ” |
| Chris[29] | ||
| “ | And don't you judge Caden in that vain. He's not flawless, but he is more Perfect of himself and at what and how he does as a legit Friend and in working on my behalf; He actually works well with his flaws and limits, and he's made breakthrough with Barb, and he is not intimidating. | ” |
| Chris[30] | ||
In July 2022, Chris began writing in letters about his newfound hatred of Barb. He told Caden to check if Barb was still at 14 Branchland Court, which he did. Caden told Chris that she was still there and refused to leave, after which Chris instructed Caden to call the police on her.
| “ | By Caden’s confirmation, Barbara was still at the Sonichu Temple; Redneck and Stubborn. So, giving him the list of her charable crimes, including pet negigance/mistreatment, suicide threats, emotional manipulation and abuse upon I, and ADA’s law of using someone else’s SSI, I have instructed Caden alone, to call the police on her. | ” |
| Chris[31]. | ||
The two decided on starting a $150,000 fundraiser to pay off Chris's mortgages and debts, and to put Barb in an Elderly Care Home, with the help of Kenneth Engelhardt and Helena[32][33].
| “ | Caden is working on persuading [Barb] and presenting her with the Truths of the Legality. [...] I have just sent a letter to Caden with all the specifics, and the one public letter and drawing on the matter, in organizing an online fundraiser to raise $150,000 to pay off the mortgage and debts, and some left to pay for her to start off in an Elderly Care Home | ” |
| Chris[34] | ||
This fundraiser predictably failed, and ended with Kengle, Helena and Eels cutting ties with Chris[35].
Interview
- Main article: March 2023 Praetor Interview
In March 2023, Praetor had an interview with a Kiwi Farms user. In this interview, they claim that Chris calls them twice about the Etsy store. They also claim that the store has earned Chris a lot of money, despite him still being in jail.
| “ | Chris calls twice a week to deal with the store, as no listings are made with out his express oversight. As for the cease and desists, we'd just advise that folk stay out of any trouble. Chris's cash has been accumulating, as the money he gets from both the store and monthly disability hasn't been touched while incarcerated. | ” |
They claim that the reason Chris hasn't sent any letters or had any visitors is because David Heilberg, Chris's lawyer, advised them to not let any "ill-meaning folk" near Chris.
| “ | Both the lack of recent letters and having no visitors is intentional, as Heilberg advised us to close any way for ill-meaning folk to get close. | ” |
They offer more insider knowledge on Chris, such as the fact that he has grown a beard in prison, and that he has plans to return, with strange aspirations as well. None of these claims have been confirmed true, so it's ideal to take them with a grain of salt, however, Chris did in fact return, as foretold by Praetor.
Post-jail involvement
After plenty of sightings online and offline, Chris finally made his grand return in October 2023. Along with Chris's return, OfficialCWCmart returned as well, stocked with a plethora of new items. This included new Sonichu medallions, with brand new pictures of Chris in front of a green screen, new promotions of Neo Spiritual Christianity, and dozens upon dozens of lost commissions that Chris drew for the Everfree Northwest fundraiser in 2021
Chris's new videos from this point forward were incredibly high quality (for Chris's standards), making it very likely that Praetor is behind these videos, as they have previous experience with high-quality editing and Chris uses the same green screen which is used in the Etsy store. Chris also consistently promotes OfficialCWCmart in the description of these videos.
In June 2023, a property in Big Island was transferred to Caden Peck, along with an LLC he registered called "Essential Estate LLC", for $235,000. In November 2023, Kiwi Farms users managed to find evidence hinting at Chris living at the property, or at the very least using it as a studio. Firstly, Chris's P.O Box is only 22 minutes from the house, and Chris has been previously sighted in Big Island. In an October 2023 Google Streetview, a car covered by a sheet can be seen outside the house, with a tire suspiciously similar to Chris's car. Lastly, in Chris's recent streams, we have occasionally gotten glimpses of his house, with one of the doors appearing in the streams perfectly matching up with a listing for the property.
Caden does not actually live with Chris, as he has another residence in Maryville, Missouri. This is shown when, a month after buying the Big Island house, four felonies were filed against Caden by Maryville authorities for allegedly illegally manufacturing and delivering psilocybin mushrooms, for which he received 5 years probation and 19 days in jail.[36][37][38] Further indication that Caden does not live in Big Island is in the October 2023 livestream The Return of Jesus Christ Chan Sonichu Prime, in which Chris turns off the stream in order to respond to a phone call from Caden.
See also
- OfficialCWCmart
- Praetor Jail Art
- Goochland Library Sermon
- Taser
- Taser Discussion
- 2021 Lost Commissions
- Chris Kisses Rosechu
- Isabella Loretta Janke
- Lynchburg and Big Island, VA
- Golden Church of Sonichu
- March 2023 Praetor Interview
External links
References
- ↑ File:PraetorTaserBox.jpg
- ↑ Taser Discussion
- ↑ Jail Letter - 29 July 2022
- ↑ 4.0 4.1 Naught DMs#Praetor
- ↑ Lonely feelings
- ↑ 6.0 6.1 https://kiwifarms.net/threads/feb-5-2021-chris-wants-to-play-with-taser-to-activate-the-merge.84502/page-15#post-8333293
- ↑ 7.0 7.1 Kiwi Farms posts (Larry Vaughn)#Info Dump
- ↑ 8.0 8.1 8.2 8.3 8.4 Praetor Arrives, Chris Writes his Sermon, More Bible Discussion
- ↑ https://kiwifarms.net/threads/feb-5-2021-chris-wants-to-play-with-taser-to-activate-the-merge.84502/
- ↑ 10.0 10.1 10.2 The "New Associates" (and Helena Hate)
- ↑ Patreon Troubles, Chris's Online Social Life, The Boys, Praetor LLC Revealed
- ↑ Lore Bible Discussion
- ↑ The Place chats (January 2021)#The Watchmen Think Chris Should Get All of Praetor's Sales Money
- ↑ The Place chats (January 2021)#Cash from Praetor
- ↑ Golden Church of Sonichu
- ↑ Taser Discussion
- ↑ https://www.instagram.com/p/CHms9kGlhc3/ (archive: https://archive.ph/K6ojQ)
- ↑ 18.0 18.1 Thinking with Portals#Praetor and the Taser
- ↑ Larry Vaughn DMs#Coded Message for Twitter Users
- ↑ Kiwi Farms posts (Larry Vaughn)#Info Dump
- ↑ Kiwi Farms posts (Larry Vaughn)#Info Dump
- ↑ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DW5OaHIfMdY&ab_channel=SuperMega
- ↑ WCT DMs#Sockness alert
- ↑ Older Lady Friend Call
- ↑ WCT DMs#Asking about Incest Call leak
- ↑ Jail Call - 1 November 2021
- ↑ Jail Letter - 25 June 2022
- ↑ Jail Letter - 21 July 2022
- ↑ Jail Letter - 14 July 2022
- ↑ Jail Letter - 29 July 2022
- ↑ Jail Letter - 4 July 2022
- ↑ Jail Letter - 21 July 2022
- ↑ Jail Letter - 22 July 2022 (1)
- ↑ Jail Letter - 21 July 2022
- ↑ Excommunication letter
- ↑ https://www.courts.mo.gov/cnet/cases/newHeader.do?inputVO.caseNumber=23ND-CR00268&inputVO.courtId=SMPDB0001_CT04#docket
- ↑ https://www.courts.mo.gov/cnet/cases/newHeader.do?inputVO.caseNumber=23ND-CR00268-01&inputVO.courtId=SMPDB0001_CT04#docket
- ↑ https://www.courts.mo.gov/fv/c/REDACTED%20PC%20STATEMENT%20PECK.PDF?courtCode=04&di=921031
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